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OVARIAN HORMONE THERAPY
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THE QUESTION OF "NATURAL" HORMONES
There is no evidence that natural estrogens are more or less hazardous than synthetic estrogens
at equivalent  estrogen doses. (FDA statement)

Dec 1, 2002

This page, as well as several other hormone-oriented ones on this site, is to some extent outdated, attitudes to Menopausal Hormone Therapy (in itself a significant change of name - note the abandonment of the term "Replacement") having undergone a major shift over the last few months. However, the page remains here as a record of earlier attitudes, as well as evidence against repeated claims that the WHI (E and P arm) results were a  "bombshell" and "unexpected." For more detail see the WHI page

By now, most major medical organizations have reviewed their recommendations about combination menopausal hormonal therapy and there is little to differentiate them. In general they say:

  • While treatment for hot flashes and other perimenopausal symptoms remains an option, a woman should be carefully counselled about the risks involved and an individual assessment made of her personal situation. Caution should be exercised about prolonged use.
  • Routine use of such therapy for the prevention of chronic postmenopausal conditions is not recommended;
  • Its use for both primary and secondary prevention of cardivascular diseas is contraindicated i.e. it should definitely not be used either both or after the development of such conditions.
  • Its use only for the prevention of osteoporosis should be carefully weighed against its risks, and alternative therapies such as bisphosphonates considered.

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    Further points made by the majority of such organizations:
  • Until (if ever) there is evidence to the contrary, the assumption must be made that other formulations and dosages of estrogen and progestin carry the same risks as the specific ones in the study.
  • There is insufficient evidence as yet to decide for or against the use of unopposed estrogen as a preventive measure.
  • There is insufficient evidence as to whether or not phytoestrogens are protective against osteoporosis or cardiovascular disease. Many of them also list the  various herbs and supplements which are used for perimenopausal symptoms, while failing to point out that there is little or no evidence that they 'work'.
  • News Flash July 9, 2002 
    The report about the early stopping of the estrogen/progestin arm of the long-awaited "definitive" Womens Health Initiative trial
    Risks and Benefits of Estrogen Plus Progestin in Healthy Postmenopausal Women included:
    .......the evidence for breast cancer harm, along with evidence for some increase in C[oronary] H[eart[ D[isease], stroke, and P[ulmonary] E[mbolism], outweighed the evidence of benefit for fractures and possible benefit for colon cancer over the average 5.2-year follow-up period.
    While the study did not look at perimenopausal use or formulations of hormones other than conjugated estrogens with medroxyprogesterone acete, bear in mind that such use has NOT been proved to be safe - just not (yet?)proved to be harmful.

    Terminology and definition of NHRTs
    Progesterone v. progestin
    Partial book review of "Natural Hormone Replacement"
    "NHRT" versus HRT (discussion)


    Selected extracts from  http://home.coqui.net/ytorres/NHRT/art,11.htm

    "NATURAL" vs "SYNTHETIC" HORMONES A Question of Semantics
    The confusion that exists concerning "natural" versus "synthetic" hormones is largely a question of semantics. The function of hormones is determined largely by their specific molecular configuration, just as specific keys work only in specific locks. In hormone literature, a "native" or "natural" hormone is one which is identical in all respects to the hormone molecule as made by the animal in question. 

    The word "estrogen" does not refer to any specific estrogen but is instead a class name for a group of steroids with some sort of estrogen effect. 

    Progesterone, on the other hand, is not a class name but is the name of one specific hormone molecule, technically known as pregn-4-ene-3,20 dione, and is made in humans in their ovaries, testes, and adrenal cortex from pregnenolone which we synthesize from cholesterol. 



    The word "synthesize" means merely "to combine" or "to put together from components" and does not mean plastic, artificial, or not genuine. The word "synthetic" pertains to synthesis but implies artificial or not genuine. A certain amount of confusion is inherent in these words. A man-made compound which is identical (in a molecular sense) to progesterone could be called "synthetic" because it was man-made and it could be called "natural" because it is identical with the hormone made by our bodies. 


    When referring to these steroid hormones, the word "natural" or "native" should mean "identical to the hormone as made by the body." Source or derivation does not matter.

    Let us allow that "synthetic" means man-made, i.e., in a chemical laboratory, and "foreign" means not native to human metabolism. Thus, progestins are synthetic foreign analogs of progesterone but having some activity similar to that of progesterone. 

    Plant compounds that have some hormone effect in humans are termed "phytohormones." 
    They are generally less potent that natural human hormones. 

    Petrochemical compounds with some hormone effect are termed "xenohormones." 
    They are generally much more potent and more toxic than natural human hormones. 

    Medroxyprogesterone acetate is not progesterone; it is a progestin, a synthetic foreign analog of progesterone. 

    Progesterone made chemically from diosgenin is progesterone, identical to that produced by the body and, therefore, can be termed natural. 

    Estradiol, no matter how or who makes it, is a natural estrogen. Ethylene estradiol is not a natural estrogen; it is a synthetic foreign analog of estradiol, and is more toxic. 

    Estrone, even from horses, is a natural estrogen. Equol, another estrogen from horses, is natural to horses but not to humans. 

    Methyl testosterone is not testosterone. It is a chemical analog of testosterone and is more toxic than testosterone.

    Prednisone or methylprednisolone are not cortisol or hydrocortisone. They are synthetic analogs of cortisone and are more toxic than the natural corticosteroids. 

    All substances, organic or inorganic, are chemicals. Air is a mixture of gaseous chemicals.

    Minor extracts from a very highly recommended article to be found at 
    http://www.pangea.ca/~afi/volxino1/progesterone.html
    PROGESTINS AND PROGESTERONE(updated in January 1998) 
    Progesterone is a hormone found in all animals with backbones (vertebrates), instrumental  both in the metabolism of glucose and in bone formation. In all mammals, including humans, progesterone plays an important part in the reproductive cycle. 

    The word "progesterone" is often used to refer to both synthetic and natural progesterones, although there are important differences. Synthetic progesterone is much more potent than natural progesterone -- up to 2000 times more potent in some cases, according to Neils S. Lauersen, MD (PMS: Premenstrual Syndrome and You, NY: Simon & Schuster, 1983). If given during pregnancy, synthetic progesterones have male-hormone-like effects on the fetus. But both natural and synthetic progesterones can enhance hormonal balance or suppress reproduction, depending on the size and timing of the dose. The correct name for synthetic progesterones is progestins or progestagens (sometimes spelled progestogens) and they are important constituents of oral contraceptives, either in combination with estrogen or on their own. Natural progesterone -- chemically identical to that produced naturally in the human body -- is derived from the wild Mexican yam (barbasco plant). Natural progesterones were isolated by Russell Marker, of Pennsylvania State College, in the 1930s. While experimenting with a type of plant steroid, called sapogenins, Marker realized that progesterone could be derived from one sapogenin, disogenin, found in this plant. 



    Most of what we know about progestin use during menopause was learned from oral contraceptives. When first available, oral contraceptives contained much higher levels of both estrogen and progestins than they do now. Even today, the level of hormones needed to avoid pregnancy is approximately five times higher than that required to alleviate menopause complaints. 

    The champions of natural progesterone have not done it a service. The best-known advocates for natural progesterone therapy are Katharina Dalton, MD (The Premenstrual Syndrome and Progesterone Therapy, Year Book Medical Publishers, Chicago, 1977) and Raymond Peat, PhD (Nutrition for Women, Blake College Publisher, Eugene, Oregon, 1977). According to these advocates, progesterone successfully treats a range of conditions including acne, asthma, depression, epilepsy, glaucoma, nymphomania(!), sciatica, bedwetting and varicose veins. They also claim that adding natural progesterone to a pregnant mother's diet will increase the baby's IQ by as much as 35 points. Dalton, in particular, believes that progesterone is an effective treatment for premenstrual syndrome (PMS). More rigorous testing has established that progestins are not helpful in treating PMS, and there are doubts about the benefits claimed for natural progesterones 


    Not all pharmacies keep natural progesterone in stock. Not all physicians are aware of the possibilities. And it is easier for physicians to prescribe a product which is ready and waiting on the pharmacy shelves. Since 1980, natural progesterone has been pre-packaged and available in Europe under the trade name Utrogestan® (Besins-Iscovesco of Paris). Available in 100mg capsules, the recommended dose is 300mg per day (in divided dosage of 100 mg at arising, 200mg at bedtime) or once a day (100mg or 200mg) at bedtime. The most common side effect is drowsiness, which is why the larger amounts are taken before sleep. In hypersensitive women it may cause dizziness. 

     Schering Canada acquired distribution rights to this product and it is approved and on the market in Canada, under a new name, Prometrium®. Schering-Plough International, of Kenilworth, NJ, may monitor the success of this product before applying for approval to the FDA. [N.B. Now also approved and available in US]

      My question is for the women who chose to do HRT.  Have you done any research on NHRT, if not and still use HRT, have unpleasant side effects, why?  If you have done research, what makes you opposed to NHRT? 
    I am taking Premarin and, while that is not HRT, I still feel qualified to answer your question since it is considered to be synthetic - even though the package insert says that it is from totally natural sources.  Why do I take Premarin instead of Estrace?  The first reason is that Premarin is what my doctor put me on in the hospital and I did not know enough about estrogen replacement to know the difference.  Now, why would my doctor choose to put me on Premarin?  I can only guess that it is because this is the one medication which has been used in the most studies over time and the most is known about it and this is because Wyeth-Ayerst has given the pills to the studies as they are run and evidently the other pharmaceitical companies haven't done this.  I haven't had any problems with the Premarin; so why change?  Well, I did change for a short while.  I switched to Estratest at a lower estrogen level than I had been taking.  This turned out to be a mistake for me.  I was taking not enough estrogen and too much testoserone. My doctor switched me back to Premarin at the previous level and .5% natural testosterone cream.  This is much better for me.  So now I am half and half. Why don't I change the estrogen?  Frankly I don't see any reason to.  What I am taking is working fine and I would be afraid of making myself sick if I changed.  From my experience I would say that women are not "opposed" to natural hormones.  The medical profession may be though.  Many doctors don't know about the availability of natural hormones or where to get them.  Many doctors prefer to prescribe what they are familiar with and what the most studies have been done with.  Most women don't want to argue with a doctor to get something rather esoteric and choose instead to just take what they are given.  It is also a rather traumatic experience to have to change doctors just to get the kind of medication one wants to take if a long-time doctor refuses to prescribe it.  For some it becomes a choice of changing doctors or taking what they are given.  Many women don't have the luxury of choice.  They live in areas where there is only one or two doctors in town and they might be both traditional doctors.  So what's a woman to do?
    fiona


    And also, most insurance will NOT cover the cost of "nhrt" components (ie: tri-est and compounded progesterone) whereas they WILL cover the more usual prescriptions of premarin, provera, etc. This difference is quite costly, from my experience. I never used HRT, but certainly it would have been much cheaper for me than using the  tri-est and compounded progesterone I used to use.. [email protected] 


    I belong to the school of thought which believes in feeling well *now* - unpleasant side effects inevitably cause me to stop taking the drug in those cases where it's use is merely "preventative". Naturally if it were a drug combatting a major disease, I would be more inclined to suffer the side effects. 

    My research has failed to come up with any studies to speak of, so it isn't the case of being actively opposed so much as being totally in the dark about "N"HRTas opposed to rather in the dark about HRT's long term effects. Estradiol (the estrogen in the patch) was shown in a Swedish study (Shelly can probably cite which one) to have a higher risk for breast cancer than did conjugated estrogens. As a past user of both, I can say that in my case, estradiol was clearly more potent so that makes intuitive sense to me. Unfortunately, basically all long term research has been done using Premarin and Provera, *kindly* donated by W- A so even though much of the research was methodologically flawed, any evidence of the effects of hormone use is based on these two products. Even worse (in my view) is the use of Prempro in the WHI study the results of which are so eagerly awaited . Not only is no progesterone being used, but neither is there any testing of a cyclical method. It seems to me that W- A are making a very big gamble here - either they lose everything if the results are negative, or they gain a virtual monopoly as the makers of the only product to be tested as safe and efficacious. 

      I'm just trying to understand why so many women won't try NHRT.
    I think it is more a case of don't rather than won't - or don't have the opportunity. I exclude over the counter products which make extravagant claims. Many women wisely *won't* take these since they are unstandardised and can not or will not back up their claims. It's better to be safe than sorry...  Of course it is possible that you and I are using different definition of NHRTs of "natural", a term which is used in many different ways. Actually the only truly natural hormone is one produced by the body and in the body ;-) 
    Tishy
    Extract from a book review at: 
    http://www.pangea.ca/~afi/reviews/reviewstz.htm#wright2

    Natural Hormone Replacement: For women over 45 
         Wright, Jonathan V. & John Morgenthaler 
         Petaluma, CA: Smart Publications 1997 (paperback) 
         128pp.; index; resources; appendix; afterword 

         Dr. Wright is medical director of the Tahoma Clinic in Kent, Washington, and a well-known advocate  of the beneficial effects of estriol -- the least powerful form of estrogen. As an advocate of "natural hormones," i.e., hormones that are chemically identical to those produced in the human body, I expected that he would recommend use of hormones only when required. But Dr. Wright is apparently not immune to the massive and pervasive marketing efforts of the pharmaceutical companies. Again, women's aging bodies are defined as hormone deficient. The difference is that, in the authors' view, menopausal women need natural hormones -- estradiol, estrone, estriol,  progesterone, testosterone and DHEA. The arguments are familiar but sometimes carried to an extreme. For instance, research suggests that estrogen users may be able to delay the onset of  Alzheimer's (one form of senile dementia). Dr. Wright uses this to scare women into believing that estrogen supplementation can prevent senility (see pp . 13, 19, 99-100).

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