Check bellow Master JC letter of Protest against
corruption of Capoeira in AUS
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:09 PM
Subject: the
Atabaque?
From learning Capoeira/life off you for several years now (but time is an illusion, because everyday i feel my Capoeira is new) and not having the Atabaque in our roda is something that i have come to understand (the understanding is crystal clear in your around about direct way;).
With the Atabaque we (Australia) have know understanding of what the Atabaque means to some Brazilian, a djembe to an African or... A didgeridoo to an original Australian...
So out of all the instruments that you have shown us i respect your thoughts as to why we don't have an Atabaque in our roda (the only way to evolve to having the Atabaque in OUR roda is to visit the right people in all (Australians) of our "trips" to Brasil.
Because i for one DO NOT want to be Yet another gringo that just hits a bit of wood with a skin on it.
Also they are really heavy to carry
Axe meu Mestre
Lachlan Hennessy
Axe'
As requested by the Capoeira Angola Students from Brisbane - these days gingando their Capoeira classes, etc without the supervision of mestre Anum - he is in the Gold Coast and told them he needs to be by himself for a time to be. Anum told them to folow in what they should with the Capoeira they want to ginga until the mestre is back from his time off.
Therefore, as I've been approached to add to their education, and to estimulate them not to stop the ginga, I suggested this program as a model to educate and to get the matters of how they must professionally approach mestres, etc, now and to the future.
My suggestion can be upgrade to better suit the needs of their Capoeira community. Acting in this way, I believe that we may prevent a problem that exists in many parts of the world with Capoeira. We don't need to add to AUS a problem where Brazilians, mestres, cultural organizations, etc, will then blame the 'gringos to capoeira' (in AUS) to act with disrespect towards our culture, etc, without the proper supervision of professional capoeiristas that CARE (bother!) about our culture - and the evolution of both countries.
So far, I respect mestre Anum decision of taking a time to meditate on what to do next, etc, and since this matter refers in particular to Capoeira Angola, I am 100% fully committed to add to what is possible to Capoeira to get 'fit' - in the educational way, of course.
Any comments on this mater , please, I am 100% available to any jogo
that may be presented.
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Brisbane 1st Capoeira Angola Meeting
Promoted and Supported By the Brisbane Capoeira Angola Students
Special guests: Mestre Jeronimo and JC'S Capoeira Angola School from Bondi Beach, NSW Capoeira
*Mestre Jeronimo arrived in Sydney in 1987 and officialy introduced
Capoeira to the Australian community in Bondi Beach at the Bondi Pavilion
Cultural Community Centre.
Brisbane Capoeira Angola weekend workshops include:
Capoeira history and culture from Brasil
Capoeira music: singing + playing instrument
Capoeira Angola technics and Ritual (Fundamento De Jogo)
Two (2) workshop 'Roda De Capoeira Angola'
Two (2) special party Roda during the weekend
Beginners + Advanced students and people that love Brazilian culture welcomed
Date: April FRI 01, SAT 02, SUN 03
FRI duration: 2hs # Capoeira Angola Music + History and
Culture from BR (party + open Roda)
SAT duration: 4hs # Capoeira Angola workshop + training Roda
(party + open Roda)
SUN duration: 3hs # Public outdoors workshop Roda
EVENT NOTE: **Any money donation and collaboration to support this Capoeira Angola event is welcomed. The organisers are students and don't have any financial support from the government to provide this opportunity to the community. The money and time invested in this event comes from the work and commitment of the Capoeira Angola students from Brisbane. Thank you for supporting Capoeira Angola and cultural family events.
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Oi mestre Jeronimo i am a current student of Mestre Val and have been for seven years and are looking fwd to the upcoming batizado and hope for an exciting and fullfilling festival as previous years have been. my email was not to disrespect you or any capoerista in any way whatsoever. Capoeira has been apart of me ever since i saw the bad boys batucada playing in stkilda in 1997, and demonstrating the art form, I was just feeling that some of your emails were deriving away from the jogo but inturn meant no direspect to you, your school, students, or any of people you sent it to. salve!!
----- Original Message ----- From: Molano, Melanie, VF-AU
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:59 PM
Subject: Sem malandragem, mandinga.... sem coragem.
Olha antes que pula e solta!!!!
I am sorry but you can never make us feel disrespected because we know who we are, we know what we are playing in the Roda and we know who our mestre is and the capoeira, or life that he brings. I live in Tasmania Mestre Jeronimo adopted me and a group of people who play capoeira together. I do not go to weekly training sessions with Jeronimo nor have I yet been able to go to his "BATIZADOS, which he calls certification ceremonies. In fact I see mestre jeronimo once a year now if I am lucky. BUT I KNOW WHO HE IS AND I KNOW WHAT MY CAPOEIRA IS BECAUSE HE TAUGHT ME TO THINK AND QUESTION AND EVEN CRITICISE HIM. Don’t get me wrong. Criticise does not mean attacking or being a hypocrite. It means "positive criticism" or more of a debate. He encourages healthy debate even to what he has said. He does not, however expect people to disrespect nor does he disrespect others. He is a master and you must know what you are saying - think before you say - just like in capoeira, think before you move - do not just do a back flip before you think and land on your backside because what you really just wanted to do was make a spectacle, do a cool trick... not play capoeira.
You can not make us feel anything when you say things without thinking because we know you will be hit with a rasteira when you play before you think. Only fools do that. Only fools say "why do you care" and then come back saying "hey mate I was just having some fun I didn’t mean any disrespect!!!!! Again, you did not disrespect Jeronimo, he knows what he is and you can not shake him. But most of all, if you stop to THINK, you should be going to Mestre Val and apologise for disrespecting him. Because after 7 years with him you declare to the capoeira world that he, in fact, does not CARE. If that is true then so be it. But if it is not, you have greatly disrespected him and if I had a student for 7 years and I saw what you had written and I did in fact care, I would be greatly disappointed. I would feel very disrespected. Please go to apologise to Mestre Val, not Jeronimo.
Look before you do backflips my friend. Jeronimo is laughing. He has not been disrespected. Nor have his students. His students, we are like his children, we know who he is. Don’t be a hypocrite. Thanks you for confirming to us that our capoeira master, father, cares about us and wants us to grow up. Very flattering to him.
MELANIE
RAIINHA DO FRIO - Capoeira TAS
----- Original Message ----- From: Mestre Jeronimo Capoeira -
JC
To: Zevon Hiltz ; Mestre Jorge Draga – Perth AUS ; Mestre Anum - Angola
Mae – Gold Coast AUS ; Abada group - Melbourne ; Contra Mestre Edney Boa
Morte - Sydney ; Me. Edval Boa Morte ; Prof. Cachaca Porto da Barra/BA
– SYD ; Me Cicatriz – Sydney ;
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:33 AM
Subject: Lampião – Filhos Da Bahia MEL
(Zevon Hiltz) Re: why do you bother?
Axe'
**I would like to share this one with the Mestres of Capoeira living in AUS and elsewhere. With the students of Capoeira. Brazilian community, other. Just to make sure that from my part there's no HYPOCRISY and disrespect when I refer and relate to YOU and my culture. Iee...
Zevon Hiltz <[email protected]> is a student from mestre Val Boa Morte 'Filhos da Bahia' group in Melbourne, or an ex-student -? Cum licenca Me. Boa Morte (Edval), since you are going to have soon your annual Capoeira and batizado event, parabens pelo feito. Mestre JC wishes that the participants to this Capoeira event ginga to evolve their lives and exalt Capoeira (BR culture) to the progress of AUS.
There's a 'chamada' (call) in Zevon's e-mail bellow, < why do you
bother? > let's ginga to this matter:
Thanks for the mail 'lampiao' and could YOU tell ASAP any teacher of "martial art$" to get tunned (with respect) if they ginga with Capoeira. Thanks!!
Zevon, Why are U disrespecting my work and my culture, Capoeira?
RESPECT THE CULTURE AND RITUALS FROM BRASIL, please!!! Respect to be respected!
There are people (in AUS, etc) trying to manipulate others to ginga Capoeira to ignorance - 'capEyoira' too is promoted in the name of CAPOEIRA!!! ** Martial arts, what this business have to do with Capoeira?!
I 'bother' (I care) to denounce what's corrupting Capoeira - the soul of capoeiristas?! I can't accept to be an ignorant without a fight - however, this 'fight' I mean to educate and to evolve. I have no interest in disputing a EGO in a Roda, etc, with anyone! Martial arts, yes, if there's $MONEY$, and a lot, YOU may talk to me and transfer the money to my account, otherwise, keep wasting your time, your life. I am fine - capiche?!
Why are you Zevon talking nonsense about my culture and my work? Where this attitude comes from? Who's (or what) tunning you in this direction? Or is it YOU that decided to 'ginga' this arrogant (ignorant!) way? What's the case?
You better check out the REAL history of my people IN BR before you PROPAGANDA corruption and arrogantly repeat just like a parrot what "other" ignorant invent that has no meaning to evolve BR.
Zevon, others, Be Aware! Do not disrespect Capoeira and my Culture - my work, etc!!! Brazilians, and people that care about BR culture and the progress and the education of the human race 'bother' (care!) about the issues that we bring to this Roda - regarding the matters that may evolve or corrupt Capoeira, etc. This Roda does not exist 'just' to promote the EGO of some and their products (event, etc) to sell.
Do U understand what's Capoeira - real Capoeira, and this Roda way?!
Capoeira, to your attention, better not be linked to the soulless 'martial art$$' business that some arrogant promote to their own propaganda and $elf intere$$t. This 'martial art attitude' that you refer may be just a part of the same attitude from other racists (and their descendents) that came to this land and try to mislead people about the culture and the rituals from the Aborigine people - their resistance to oppression. The same happens in BR, elsewhere! ** What's Capoeira?! It's not "jus$t" martial arts or capo-sport, capo-show or capEyoira. I guarantee and others will certify the same about our BR cultura and rituals against the corruption and ignorance that 'ginga' around - unfortunately!!!
Zevon Hiltz, anyone, before you start "teaching" people 'nothing' you better tune your own life and apply respect, so you may get it back the same way. This is just a suggestion from another AUS citizen, myself, and from the professional MESTRE JERONIMO CAPOEIRA - born and raised in BR - another human citizen from the Planet Eartth!!!
Axé - Thankyou / OBRIGADO!!!
Mestre Jeronimo Capoeira
----- Original Message -----
From: Zevon Hiltz <[email protected]> To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 12:28 AM
Subject: why do you bother?
oi there mestre jeronimo,i seem to always recieve political mail from you regarding capoeira internal this and that.. and there is so much of it why do you bother?. no other teacher of the martial art seems to give so much energy to all the propoganda, why do you??
please remove me for your list.
From: Mestre Jeronimo Capoeira - JC
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 10:55 AM
Subject: Capoeira, selling lies$ X education + respect - part 1 of
2 @ demanda/GAME OF MESTRES
Axe' everybody
Some of the main players to this game are: Mestre Cobra Mansa, living in the USA; Mestre Edval Boa Morte living in Melbourne - AU; Mestre Jorge Draga living in Perth - AU Mestre JC living in Bondi Beach - AU; Mestre Burgues - BR... and everybody everywhere in the world that already shared this game in Portuguese. Please forward this game to others.
It involves the name and reputation of renowned masters of Capoeira from Brasil living overseas and in BR. Since you as student, etc, are participating in events and taking classes of Capoeira everywhere and many times don't understand what is going on "behind the stage" 'cause you don't speak Portuguese I hope that this rough translation of these events can add to your understanding of the Capoeira and behave and conduct of professional capoeiristas that is performed in 2003.
If you have questions or else to add about this subject yo may contact those involved in the game, or send me a letter and I will forward it to the Roda. The e-mail address of the main players are printed.
Please forward this game to others that you feel may have interest.
Thankyou. **MY TRANSLATIONS, COMMENTS... IN CAPITAL LETTERS.
Mestre Jeronimo - Master JC
JC'S Capoeira Angola School - Community Arts and Culture in Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: Mestre Jeronimo Capoeira - JC
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 12:24 PM
Subject: Filhos da Bahia School Center - 2º Batizado Interno 2003
THE RODA, THIS GAME/DEMANDA STARTS WHEN I FORWARDED A PUBLIC NOTICE AS REQUESTED BY ABOUT THE EVENT THAT HIS GROUP FILHOS DA BAHIA IS PROMOTING IN SYDNEY, AND SHARING WITH OTHER EVENTS THAT THE GROUP ZAMBIACONGO, MESTRE LUIZINHO BARRAVENTO IN THE GOLD COAST, AND GROUP SAMBA DE RODA IN PERTH, MESTRE JORGE DRAGA ARE OFFERING THE AU PUBLIC.
MASTER COBRA MANSA IS AT THE MOMENT IN BR, AND ANGRILY REPLIES PROTESTING AGAINST THE USE OF HIS NAME AND THE REPUTATION OF CAPOEIRA ANGOLA TO BE USED IN A DISRESPECTFUL WAY, SINCE HE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS FESTIVAL, AND THE WORKSHOP THAT HE WAS GIVING TO THE EVENT... -** HERE IS THE ROUGH TRANSLATION OF WHAT COBRA MANSA SAYS TO THE AUS MASTERS -- I am sorry to tell you that are going to join this event in Australia from mestre Edval and his Filhos da Bahia group, that Master Cobra Mansa will not be present due to various reasons. Please, don't play irresponsible like this, because it's not god to the reputation of Capoeira Angola and myself, Mestre Cobra Mansa. I never been informed about this event by the organisers, never being invited. What will the public say when I don't show up in the event? Please, let's respect Capoeira and its Mestres, and let us know about your intentions to put our names in your programs. I felt very disrespected to have my name used in this program without my authorisation. Also, I can't be there due to my work. Thank you - Mestre Cobra Mansa -
I RECEIVED COBRA's MESSAGE AND SENT IT TO THE RODA. I TOLD MESTRES EDVAL
AND COBRA MANSA THAT THEY SHOULD RESOLVE THEIR MISUNDERSTAND AND INFORM
THE PUBLIC ABOUT IT. MY WORDS...
<You may contact direct Mestre Edval Boa Morte,
or Mestre Cobra Mansa if you want to know more about this subject. Myself,
Mestre JC, don't know what's on regarding the misunderstand that seems
to happen.>
THEN MESTRE JORGE DRAGA FROM PERTH REPLIED SAYING THAT INDEED THERE WAS A MISTAKE IN WHAT 'JC' SENT TO THE RODA - (??). [ **THINGS STARTS GETTING MESSY, MASTER EDVAL DON'T KNOW WHAT'S ON, (AS HE TOLD ME LATER BY PH), AND '3RD PART' ARE JUSTIFYING THE IRRESPONSIBILITY OF OTHERS. ]
IN SPITE OF HAVING IN THE ORIGINAL PROGRAM SENT BY EDVAL THE NAME COBRA MANSA, JORGE DRAGA SENT A NOTE TO OUR ROD@ TELLING THAT THE NAME 'cobra mansa' AT THIS PROGRAM OF MESTRE EDVAL BROTER (CONTRAMESTRE EDNEY BOA MORTE) WAS BUT THE NAME FROM A MESTRE FROM THE GROUP ZAMBIACONGO IN BR. - (??). JORGE DRAGA THEN CONTINUES IN HIS LETTER OF "JUSTIFICATION" TELLING COBRA MANSA THAT... - <as you know dear Cobra Mansa, AU is now a target of terrorism, BUT, we are not a place of RACISTS, accordion to declarations of Mr Jeronimo, Mestre JC, after that he tried after 15 years in AU to promote to AU an International event of Capoeira, and failed due to a lack of organization... ** >
?????... GOES FROM MESTRE JC... - TO JORGE DRAGA's out of tune comments!!
JORGE DRAGA'S WORDS (JUSTIFYING) WOULD LEAD TO BLAME MASTER JC AS THE ONE (irresponsible) CAUSING PROBLEMS.
IN FACT JORGE DRAGA HAVING HIS NAME AND THE WORK OF HIS GROUP SHARING THE PROGRAM OF MESTRE EDVAL FILHOS DA BAHIA GROUP WANTS TO MOVE THE ATTENTION FROM THE REAL SITUATION THAT MESTRE COBRA MANSA BROUGHT TO ATTENTION: THE HIPOCRIT COMMERCIALISATION OF CAPOEIRA EVENTS BY ME$TRES$$ AND THE DISRESPECT THAT WAS GIVEN TO HIS NAME AND TO THE REPUTATION OF CAPOEIRA ANGOLA -
**as we know that are many people that promote Capoeira Angola workshops, etc lectures, just to sell more "goods" to the students in the events they promote. Many times, where in such events of 'Capoeira Contemporanea' (also wrongly promoted as Regional) the people in charge of these workshops are not qualified to teach the art, yet THEY mimic gym moves and lie about the real Capoeira Angola way of life. Irresponsible just like a dentist that is trying to operate an arm -?? - BE AWARE WITH THESE LIES THAT SOME CAPOEIRISTAS PRAY IN THE RODA 2000!!).
I THEN REPLIED SAYING THAT I WASN'T THE RESPONSIBLE TO THIS MESS CAUSED BY DISORGANISED PEOPLE. I WAS ALSO SIGNING WITH COBRA MANSA WHAT HE STATED, THAT RESPECT MUST BE PRESENTED TO BOTH CAPOEIRA ANGOLA AND TO THE MESTRES OF CAPOEIRA. I ALSO TOLD THAT REGARDING MESTRE DRAGA's WORDS OF JUSTIFICATION, WHERE I THEN WAS PLACED AS A LIAR, OR ELSE DISORGANISED, THAT I WASN'T VERY HAPPY WITH HIS MOVE. I MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WHAT MESTRE JORGE DRAGA JUSTIFIED ABOUT THE "other cobrinha" TO BE THE MESTRE IN THE PROGRAM WAS A LIE... - 'CAUSE IT WAS CLEAR IN THE PROGRAM THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE MESTRE COBRA MANSA IN 2003 RODA - **or else, we have to call this game to Mestre Joao Pequeno, also know in the past as 'Cobra Mansa' by Mestre Pastinha. - check out the link and learn about it!!
THIS SITUATION COULD BE JUST EASY REPLIED TO THE PUBLIC AS A MISTAKE OF THE PROGRAM. BUT, JORGE DRAGA PREFERRED TO "KICK" MESTRE JC, SINCE COBRA MANSA GAVE A HARD (professional) CALL, INDEED DESERVED! (*later, Mestre Edval rang me and apologised by the situation that his e-mail caused, where I got involved. Myself and Edval spoke about the situation that we live in AU and agreed that we better work as a team, instead of letting others, irresponsible living here, take advantage of our misunderstandings, that could be simple resolved by a letter of rectification of whatever we may have written in a program. I agreed with Edval, and told him again that I arrived here 17 years ago, started Capoeira and that my goal is to see AU evolve and our work to be respected... - and those racists from everywhere getting the 'rasteiras and bencao' that we professionally can give, I never promoted or used my "kicks" to deliberately injury or put down those that profess what I love and work. Yet... I've been the case of this game! We finished, myself and Mestre Edval 100% sure that this situation would improve, and that we would then look after to work to the same aim... CAPOEIRA to evolve AU!
The game follows... I told MESTRE JORGE DRAGA THAT IF (regarding his words) RACISM IN AU DOES NOT EXISTS, WHAT IS TO BE THEN TO HIM (OTHERS) THE MEANING OF RACISM??
JC'S INTERNATIONAL CAPOEIRA ANGOLA FESTIVAL WAS DISCRIMINATED AGAINST BY THE IMMIGRATION SERVICE OF AUSTRALIA IN BRASIL. THIS WAS ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL EVENTS OF CAPOEIRA, INDEED, CAPOEIRA THAT FIGHTS FOR WHAT IT DID EVOLVE IN BRASIL... = CAPOEIRA AGAINST RACISM!!! AS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT PREFER TO SELL CAPOEIRA AND PLAY ALONGSIDE THE $ISTEM THAT DISCRIMINATE...
INTERLUDE....
DEAR READERS, FROM THIS POINT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT YOU MAY NOW UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON. MANY WORDS THEN WERE USED, AND MISUNDERSTANDING EXISTS, IF WE ONLY ARE HUMBLE ENOUGH TO PLAY CAPOEIRA AS IT MUST BE PERFORMED, AND GIVE EXAMPLE TO YOU STUDENTS/KIDS, AS WHAT IS FOR TO BE PERFORMED IN A REAL RODA - LIFE -
YET... OTHERS STARTED TO COME INSIDE THE RODA AND MADE A COMPRA DO JOGO... - WE ARE NOW PLAYING THE GINGA CAUGHT IN THEE MIDDLE OF WHAT I DESCRIBED AS... 'demanda' - that means a war of orixas, a war made by the hand of men - as we live that in the Candomble way of life - and Capoeira in BR evolved from this way of life, ritual.
Part II of this Roda... MORE 'TRUES' AND 'LIES' CAME TO THE RODA... INCLUDING, TO GIVE YOU A PREVIEW, FACTS FROM MESTRES FROM THEIR PAST, AS FOR EX, MESTRE COBRA MANSA, ANGOLEIRO/PASTINIANO AS HE PROMOTES HIMSELF, TO BE GRADUATED AS A TEACHER BY A CAPOEIRA MASTER OF CAPOEIRA REGIONAL IN BELO HORIZONTE... AND MORE...
MESTRE BURGUES FROM GRUPO MUZENZA THAT GIVES MESTRE JC A CHAMADA/CALL... AND RECEIVES A WELCOME FROM JC TO AUSTRALIA SINCE HE IS COMING TO WORK IN THESE EVENTS FROM JORGE DRAGA, EDVAL AND LUIZINHO BARRAVENTO.
**FOLLOWS THE ORIGINAL OF WHAT WAS SENT TO START THIS GAME... BELLOW...
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>From: Edval Boa Morte <[email protected]> - Please forward
this mensagen....
>GRUPO FILHOS DA BAHIA - 2º Batizado Interno 2003
14th - 19th of October
>Guest:
>Mestre Cobrinha Mansa - Bahia -Brazil
Angola School
>> >>
>Program:
>Wednesday 15th Oct
>1:00pm - Roda (Marrickville next to the Post Office)
>6:00pm - Angola Workshop with M. Cobrinha Mansa (Angola)
> 8:00pm - Capoeira Workshop with M. Val Boa Morte
>Capoeira Samba de Roda Batizado 2003 from 5-7 September
http://www.sambaderoda.com.au
>Capoeira Zambiacongo Batizado 2003....20-26 october
http://www.zambiacongo.com.au
>Capoeira Filhos da Bahia Sydney
>1º CAPOEIRA iNTENSIVE Course 2003 from 18th sep-19th october
>2º Batizado Interno 2003 Sunday 19 October
>see attachment programa
>You all are welcome...
>Edval Santos - Mestre Val Boa Morte
>Website: www.capoeira.net.au
2º Batizado Interno 2003 14th - 19th of October
Guest:
Mestre Burguês - Curitiba-Brazil
Grupo Muzenza
Mestre Cobrinha Mansa - Bahia -Brazil
Angola School
Mestre Geni - Bahia - Brazil
Zambiacongo
Contra-Mestre Secão - Brazil
Grupo Candeias
Estagiário Nando - Paris-France
Filhos da Bahia
Mestre Val Boa Morte - Melbourne-Australia
Filhos da Bahia
Mestre Luizinho Barravento - Gold Coast-Australia
Zambiacongo
Mestre Jorge Draga - Perth-Australia
Samba de Roda
Mestre Macaco - Sydney-Australia
Zambiacongo
Mestre Macaquinho - Sydney-Australia
Zambiacongo
Mestre Gilson - Sydney-Australia
Gilson Capoeira
Contra-Mestre Dinho Boa Morte - Sydney-Australia
Filhos da Bahia
Formado Cachaca - Sydney-Australia
Grupo Porto da Barra
Professor Caracol - Brisbane-Australia
Zambiacongo
Professor Formiguinha - Sydney-Australia
Grupo Topázio
Paulão - Sydney-Australia
Grupo Topázio
Estagiário Vampiro - Darwin-Australia
Zambiacongo
Little Jye - Sydney-Australia
Zambiacongo
Mestre Aranha - Paris-France
Grupo Nacão Capoeira (TBC)
Verdugo - Paris France
(TBC)
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----- Original Message -----
From: Edval Santos <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 4:26 PM
Subject: resposta para a roda
PORTUINGLES
Edval Santos
Mestre Val Boa Morte
Hi Everyone!
I never wanted to be involved in this game...As Jeronimo said I called
both of them and apologize for the mistake I made by forward the information......I
cant blame anyone else...only myself....I know Mestre Cobra Mansa for about
17 years...I meet him on the streets....and I had the pleasure of seeing,
playing and work with him in diverse occasions...We have a good relationship....we
talk some times and he explained to me why did him respond to that....I
think he is right, I would do the some....he said to me, he didn't know
that was our event...because he saw my name there as a guest 'who supposed
to give workshops as well'.....He just said to me' Val I will even not
respond....just leave how thing are...He accept my apologizes'...
Also I said to Jeronimo, that is not worth to us to get in conflict
because we are here to some reason..." Promote Capoeira and the Brazilian
Cultura' I have being here for the last 10 years.....I am a 24/7 Capoeirista
'I eat, dream, and love Capoeira.....I take it to serious.....
I thanks Mestre Jorge Draga, Mestre Burgues e those who are my friends
to be involved in this game......I know they do for the HONOUR, LOVE and
RESPECT for the some art...The Art of Capoeira....
Sorry for my English spelling.....as you seeing...I trying it as hard I try to be a good Capoeira Master.....
Axe to all,
Axe' Capoeira 2000,
Mestre Jorge Draga, from Perth, sent this note bellow to Brasil. I guess sometimes you don't know what is going on, where CAPOEIRA comes from, etc - "why my teacher does not speak about it..." = in class?! We are manly communicating, gingando, in Portuguese.
To those that don't know, Mestre Pintor is the mentor of group Bantus Capoeira in BR. In Perth Australian teacher Tom Foss, 'canguru', is looking after his CAPOEIRA group - or business matters - ?!
Well, this note fits not only this particular group
and a 'me$$tre' that does not respect Capoeira, in Brasil and AUS - it
fits many others alike!
Mestre Jorge Draga states to Mestre Pintor - to the Rod@ 2000:
mestre Pintor... one day I believed in the words of Men, Today I only believe in the action, WORK, they ginga in life! (words from Saint Francisco de Assis)
After what Mestre Pintor sent to our Roda about a topic that relates to commitment and responsibility of the future of CAPOEIRA... (Me Draga continues... ) ... your words Mestre Pintor are nice but your work, action, is hypocritical. Why? Where are you applying such blablabla when it comes to be responsible, to look after the group Bantus in AUS as you should do?
The original text is on the Portuguese link. You may call Mestre Jorge Draga and play/ginga with him about this subject. BE AWARE!! There're people in AUS that are irresponsible and misleading people that want to educate and grow to life to ginga CAPOEIRA. Such marionets are just like stupid soldiers, following what irresponsible "mes$$tres" from BR tell them to... ?! **Australia does not need this kind of rubbish!
Please forward this this letter to your community, group, etc.
Axe' to you!
Mestre Jeronimo - JC'S
Subject: *Salomon Island - BR Culture ~ Capoeira
Re: capoiera music
Axe' Mark Denis... from Sydney, AUS, now living in the Salomon Island; Capoeira Community everywhere (Rod@),
( Mr Mark looks for help and also says that he's a student from the grupo Capoeira Brasil - Sydney link... of Me. Boneco, Brazilian Rede Globo TV actor Beto Simas )
Thankyou for the interest in BR Culture - Capoeira.
Thanks for calling Mestre Jeronimo in AUS. I am pleased to help you. Also, I will FW your call to others.
By the way Mark, as you say that you're missing the music, I noticed that you are also missing the spell of "capoiera" (...) You ask for help, what about begin the ginga with CAPOEIRA instead. Let's praise (sing/ginga/write) CAPOEIRA (the main word, so far) with the same respect that we use to write/sing/ginga AUSTRALIA.
The Culture of Brasil - CAPOEIRA - deserves it!
I've produced in Sydney two books and 2 CDs with the music of Capoeira to educate people in a Roda/Life, and to exalt our Ritual and Art Form. If you are interested, I will include the Song Booklet that I use in class to educate my JC'S students with the real knowledge and wisdom ('Fundamento de Jogo') that we must have to CAPOEIRA.
Thankyou mate!~
Mestre Jeronimo - JC'S
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Dennis [email protected] To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 5:54 PM
Subject: capoiera music
Hi,
I got your email address from the capoiera community on the internet.
I play capoiera with peixi ensaboado in Sydney and now I am in Solomon
islands. I miss the capoiera music heaps and I am hoping you can
help me with obtaining it somewhere. Can you please direct me on
this if you have the time.
Salomao
Mark Dennis,
USPNet operator,
Honiara centre
Subject:
be aware, with "CapE0eira" in AUS
Carolina,
Not only Zambiacongo group, Mestre Geni, but others have Makulele into their program of Capoeira. But it's not as a style of Capoeira!~
Simple, as I stated already, Capoeira is CAPOEIRA, makulele, danca do fogo, puxada de rede, boi, maracatu, baiao, frevo, lambada, samba... etc folkloric from BR that relates to afro-bras culture are what they are and have their own way.
People started in BA to incorporate these folkloric rituals, dance, into their Capoeira program in the academy style. Particularly Regional style. Angola does not have it in the program.
Mestre Bimba, was involved with the 'Batuque' - African culture/rituals, but not makulele, to create his 'Regional' style. There's no makulele to Bimba Regional program.
Some historians would say that because the "need" to sell "it" to tourists, even Berimbau with 3 metres was part of some Capoeira shows in Salvador. People would incorporate any folkloric dance to display Capoeira.
Samba-de-Roda is also part of Capoeira, from both Angola and Regional, but no one would promote it as "style" of Capoeira!~
The problem - to people like you - that don't know what's Capoeira, history, ritual, etc, is that you are getting IT the wrong way. Of course the intention is good... just like, let's say, mestre Hitler and other "bu$h" masters sing their 11th September... ladainha... @@!~~??
Imagine what YOU will not "invent" to Capoeira, following... learning Capoeira without having any respect or knowledge to our culture and rituals!~?
Have a look in a good book of Capoeira that contains info about this subject, or books about the specific subject.
If people go to a class to learn 2 styles of Capoeira, not a problem, they exist: REGIONAL & ANGOLA.
Then if you want to have more BR folklore, there's lots to learn and enjoy! But the rest of inventions, or, advertisements like that from the Capoeira BR group in Sydney...
... re$$t... is bull$hit!~
Axe'!~
Mestre Jeronimo - JC'S
AUS Capoeira Angola School
www.users.bigpond.com/SS.Jeronimo
----- Original Message -----
From: WAKEFIELD,Caroline To: Mestre JC Sent: Monday, July 29,
2002
Subject: RE: be aware, with "CapE0eira" in AUS
Axe Mestre Jeronimo
I'm going to pass your email on. I was just thinking about maculele
- I know in Zambiacongo in Brisbane, maculelle was part of the capoeira
there - in the roda, we played angola rhythm, then Sao Bento Grande, then
Iuna, then Maculele and Samba de Roda.
I was also thinking about the song - Capoeira Capu, Maculele Maracatu
- is this praise for maculele in a cappoeira song?
How did maculele become part of some capoeira, and not others?
tchau, ate logo
Carolina - Canberra
Message----- From: Mestre JC
Subject: be aware, with "CapE0eira" in AUS
Axe' Capoeira 2000
Could just let it go with no reply, to make sure it will not go ahead, before it's too late and we will have Capoeira as... - fa$t-food?!~
Folks, I got that one bellow, includes a attachment that I reduced the size to JPEG. The question, was send to Brasil, translated, to mestres (Boneco, Paulao, Sabia, etc) and organizations of Capoeira (CBC, FICA, etc) that should answer to this type of "capoeira" that is promoting confusion, and giving CAPOEIRA, Brazilian culture a false flavour.
Simple there's no Maculele style of Capoeira. But it seems that some people are learning this style OR cAPEoeiRA.
Please send it to others that may have interest in this... game!~
Thank you. Thanks the capoeirista that send the note.
Mestre Jeronimo - JC'S
*this is part of the attach that came, if you can't open it:
What will I learn... *coming to a Capoeira class with the group Brasil in AUS under the management of teacher "peixe ensaboado" - Mr Andre Cerruti, that is a student of messtre Boneco from BR...
Stretching for improved flexibility
Aerobic movement for improved fitness
self defence skills
Capeoeira music and singing (including drumming)
you will learn the basic movements
for the two types of Capoeira: Maculele... and Capoeira Regional
----- Original Message -----
From: Powerhouse To: JC Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002
Subject: Confused
Mestre Jeronimo
I received this brochure from the grupo Capoeira Brasil, and
I am wondering why they are saying that MacuUlele is a "type" of Cape0eira??!!
Christina
Capoeira.gif attached
Subject: Accountability / Responsibility
? - Bantus Capoeira Australia Incorporated
Accountability / Responsibility ? - Bantus Capoeira Australia Incorporated
The following issue of responsibility and accountability is not confined to Australia, it is an international issue which challenges the integral, qualified and professional development and evolution of Capoeira outside of Brazil.
As the nationally and internationally recognised Capoeira Group of Western Australia – I Mestre Jorge Draga, of the Capoeira Samba de Roda Academy, have been appointed spokesperson by, Mestre Val and Contra-Mestre Nei – Grupo Filhos da Bahia Victoria and New South Wales and Mestrando Luisinho & Instructor Carcaol - Grupo Zambiacongo Queensland & Northern Territory, to ask Bantus Capoeira to take off immediately the links to our respective Capoeira web sites.
This simple action of linking our web sites to that of Bantus Capoeira Australia Incorporated (Inc.), without first seeking prior permission, seems to be indicative of Bantus Capoeira lack of regard and respect for professional procedures governing not only electronic media but also the practice and tradition of Capoeira.
Tom Foss - Canguru, is an unqualified, non-Brasilian, self-appointed Capoeira instructor of Bantus Capoeira Australia Inc. Following six months of learning Capoeira in Brazil, he came back to Australia and set up Bantus Capoeira in 1997 and in 2001the group became an incorporated Association. Bantus Capoeira is not recognised by the professional Australian Capoeira community, in its five years of operation it has barely followed the professional standards and procedures of a Capoeira Group.
Other examples of the lack of accountability include, the President of Bantus Capoeira Australia Inc. is Mestre Pintor, a resident of Brazil who has never visited Australia, let alone presided over a committee meeting, in his current role as President. As a legal entity, incorporated as a non-profit Association under Australian Law, I understand it is a requirement by the Associations Act, that the President attends in person regular meetings.
Furthermore, the Master - Mestre Pintor of Bantus Capoeira Group in Belo Horizonte, Brazil, has not followed the professional ethics of the Capoeira tradition, in having never contacted any of the professional Capoeira Masters in Australia. The matter of representation by Groups affiliated with the homeland of Brazil, irrespective of the qualifications and professionalism of the affiliated Groups is an international issue, which has the potential to threaten the integral, traditional and professional development of Capoeira outside of Brazil. It is understandable how to have a flag flown in another country can bring prestige to the school back in Brazil, however the issue of responsibility and accountability of these affiliated groups outside of Brazil remains with the parent group in Brazil.
The issues of representation, qualification, professional standards, accountability and evolution of Capoeira are fundamental. The translation of Capoeira across culture and into another language without thorough training, knowledge and background in Capoeira results in misrepresentation and appropriation of the rich oral tradition of Capoeira and herein we will see history repeating itself, those that take our cultural history will become the exponents of our Afro-Brazilian tradition.
We, the first wave of professional Brazilian Capoeira Masters resident in Australia, (Capoeira was first introduced in Australia 15 years and as recent as 6 years ago in Western Australia), have an awesome responsibility in ensuring the process of translation of Capoeira across culture and language occurs with qualification, integrity, relevance and respect to the bye gone Masters and that the essence of the Capoeira tradition is not lost in this process of translation and evolution.
In 1998 at the Capoeira Samba de Roda Academy’s annual Capoeira event, Tom Foss was introduced to representatives of the Australian Capoeira Community. At this event he was given the opportunity to seek support from any of the National Groups to assist with the professional Capoeira development of Bantus. This offer was not taken up and to date he has not attended any events held annually by the National Groups. This matter highlights a discrepancy between the Objectives of Bantus Capoeira Australia Inc and the professional practice of Capoeira by this Group, which continues to act in isolation from any of the Australian Capoeira Groups. It takes more than several web site links to be part of the Australian Capoeira Community.
Mestre Jorge Draga - Capoeira Samba de Roda Academy
President - Western Australia Capoeira Federation
Student, (looking for Capoeira... Regional? Angola?)
As I sad before, teaching (living) with 'Capoeira Angola' is not just about repeat "moves and ginga kicks"... and Regional style when well performed in the hands of reliable professional, has lots to offer to evolve Life.
In AU, at the present, there's myself and Anum, from Recife, living in Byron Bay, (but not teaching at the present) to claim the promotion of Capoeira Angola. The rest of our professional mates in AU are qualified to teach and promote Capoeira Regional or its modern variations.
Be aware of faked "doctors" around that may claim they will fit (feed) you offering a packet that contains lots of... (//) (??) BUT... but, some don't know about themselves enough to provide the necessary medicine to evolve their own lives. Imagine, the damage, what can they do (or not) with you?! What you see advertised (Capoeira) sometimes is not what you'll get - after that you pay for it.
Jerome, the important to me is that you will be happy with Angola or Regional. HAPPY with CAPOEIRA.
Axe'.
Master/Mestre J C - Capoeira (Angola) School
Bondi Beach - Sydney / AU
www.users.bigpond.com/SS.Jeronimo
----- Original Message -----
From: demadulid <[email protected]>To: J C Sent: Friday, April
05, 2002 6:49 PM Subject: thank you
Thank you very much for your wisdom. Your students must feel very fortunate
to have you as a guide.
The only reason really to why I asked is that I'm currently still trying
to decide whether to join JC's or Groupo Capoeira Brazil. Groupo Brazil
teach not only angola but also regional, iuna and maculele. I was just
wondering what your
catch was because you only taught angola. Contra Mestre Piexe still
hasn't written back to me about his school so I still can't decide. Filhos
da Bahia Capoeira at Tempe is just too far for me so I doubt that I'll
consider them. It's either your school or Groupo Brazil.
From: J C Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 10:45 AM Subject: Re: teaching style = Living
Axe' Jerome ...from NSW (I guess)
Are you training Capoeira? Or are yo just a lover of it?
To respond to your question, why I don't teach Capoeira Regional...
Regarding your call on self defence, Capoeira to fight?
First, the original Mestre Bimba's Regional system doesn't exist today. It has evolved in the hands and foot of the new generation of capoeiristas. It is now mostly practised as a sport and "show off" in the show business stage. As for self defence, I simple could tell you that the original Capoeira system (now known as Capoeira Angola Style) was the best way the slaves had to self defence themselves - to survive, not to compete in a sports arena.
I found that the question you have is complex if we want to separate Capoeira as something just physical. Yet, Capoeira is a complete Art form, a Ritual. >>
I like to eat well, organic food - Capoeira - and do not need to be in a hurry or play to prove my Ego. I like to play Capoeira ( I teach this way ) as a game of chess - one need to be intelligent and patience to eat this way. Ginga this way, makes me fell good and happy.
I could go ahead with more to reply your query but I guess you have enough to understand my choice of Life - Capoeira is Life! > >
What makes sense to Capoeira - no music, no Roda = NO CAPOEIRA!
>
>
To end, I use to describe the Capoeira situation today as: Beach Volleyball
is not the same as Indoors Volleyball... and... we can't put together in
the same field to enjoy/compete, etc, Tennis X anything that has a ball
and a stick to play... *do you understand?!
Capoeira Regional is sport based, Capoeira Angola is Ritual and a more complex way to sway the Ginga, not just repeat moves and kicks. The attitude of one is different from each other playing in a Roda.
Thanks for the opportunity to digest your question. I will have this game to others.
**By the way, there's a "Batizado" and sportive tournament of Capoeira Regional this weekend in Sydney. You may take a chance to see what they do and then have a look in one of my classes or the public Roda on Sundays (sunny) that I offer as part of my JC'S Capoeira since 1988 in front of the Bondi Pavilion. Also, I am just finishing the editing of our JC'S Capoeira Video today that can give a good insight about the difference of styles and way of living that Regional and Angola may have *- it also depends of course in the person (mestre/master) that teaches Capoeira. The Video will be available soon. Please call me back if you are interested. I don't know yet how much it will cost. It is a high good quality tape professionally made to exalt Capoeira and the work and fruits that I have in AU.
Axe' to you
Master/Mestre J C - Capoeira (Angola) School
Bondi Beach - Sydney / AU
www.users.bigpond.com/SS.Jeronimo
----- Original Message -----
From: demadulid <[email protected]>To: J C
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:41 PM
Subject: teaching style
Hello Mestre JC
How come you only teach angola and not with reigonal? Is it because angola is more adept for real life situations? Is reigonal not a good system for self defense? I'm just curious.
Jerome
Subject: Bantus Capoeira is business! What's
wrong about it?!
Axe' Capoeira, Globalizada,
Adolfo Mexican - do Me. Curio... + Grupo Bantus Perth supervision of Master Pintor from BR
Obrigado for the note. But I didn't get it from you. Got this reply ALL from Me. Jorge Draga answering you. Bellow.
From me, well... muchacho... if you say there's something Capoeira good in Perth let it be. Congratulations! Yet, I don't know anything about what Canguru (Tom - Australian made) is doing or not with the Capoeira he's in charge or about this so famous teacher that came from BR. What's going on with you? People can spell and speak CAPOEIRA!? What about events? Or else cultural that the group is doing to raise the reputation of the BR culture and to evolve Capoeira in AU? Let us know what you do and I will blow it UP to everybody.
Next, let me tell you what CAPOEIRA stands for REAL my boy... this bullshit about freedom that you speak bellow - Capoeira is not politics and business, Capoeira is slavery... blablabla sem fundamento! - is not enough to get BR PEOPLE - could incclude your Mexican folks - to liberate from the misery that they swallow. Capoeira, if you could have it well spelled from whatever 'mestre' you ever had in BR (or else) means politics and business... it was always about it. Get a better look on BR history, Palmares, Capoeira gangs in RJ, etc. As I sad before, going the way you (others alike) proclaim "capoiera" to be seems to encourage more and more the government (and traitors to Zumbi ideals) to "graduate" (again) the memory of Masters Bimba and Pastinha into abandon and misery. Is that what you mean?! No money to Capoeira, to Zumbi and Palmares, to aboriginal folks, etc?! Just let's have fun, martial belts, medalhinha, etcs, and do not fight your Capoeira into politics and business to get REAL FREEDOM - social and spiritual - is that what you (oothers alike) want to do with Capoeira?! - Wake up to real Capoeira world, before is too late!
As for these talks (games) that we have regarding our way in AU, if we don't speak out what we don't want to eat... well there will be indigestion very soon to AUs!
So far so good. Good to know that there's more Capoeira in AU, in Perth. I am sending this message to Mestre Pintor too, perhaps if he does not understand English you guys could translate to him what is going on, my words. What about mestre Curio that you claimed be your mestre? Should we get him inside the game too? Curio is very concerned about the 'gringos' that came to Salvador and trained with him.
Well... let the sun shine and AU be fruitful... CAPOEIRA! By the way, I just sent the translation of the previous message in English that generated this ...virtual G@ME! ?
Iee da volta ao mundo camara!
Mestre JC
---- Original Message -----
From: Jorge Draga Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 1:12
AM
Subject: Re: Yes Capoeira in WA
Mr Adolfo,
It is was with interest I read your email, in view of the conversations I had with you almost two years ago, as a guest in my home and as a student of the Capoeira Samba de Roda Academy. You had recently arrived from your homeland of Mexico and were looking to establish your self in Western Australia. This involved investigating various employment options, including your profession as a film maker. About three months later, you informed me of your intention to teach Capoeira, because you needed money. I asked whether you were qualified to teach Capoeira and your response was 'NO Mestre'... that you had done some Angola training with Mestre Curio in Salvador and Mexico. My response was forthright and honest to you. And that was, I do not approved of unqualified people teaching Capoiera without supervision from a nationally recognised professional, however I would not waste my time trying to stop anyone from doing so, I wished you good luck.
I make no apolgies for being the pioneer of Capoeira here in Western Australia and for setting an excellent and professional standard of Capoeira in W.A. The Capoeira Samba de Roda Academy is recognised nationally and internationally by professional and honourable Mestres. I am proud of my Brasilian lineage, knowledge and culture. I take on my role as a representative of the Capoeira tradition with the upmost respect and commitment to the bygone legend Mestres, for the present and to the future...
By the way did you inform Mestre Curio that you are now with another Group? Also I suggest, you concentrate on what you are doing and don't concern yourself with what others are doing.
DENDE PRA QUEM TEM DENDE.
Mestre Jorge Draga
Capoeira Samba de Roda Academy.
----- Original Message -----
From: ADOLFO CHAVEZ <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday,
February 26, 2002 11:41 AM
Subject: What about Capoeira in WA?
Hi there Jeronimo,
For long time I have been follow all what is regarding Capoeira in here(Australia) but something that concerns me is the intempt to hide that in WA is more Capoeira than Jorge Draga and not just teached by Non-Brasilians but we have since september last year Profesor "Gringo" very well known in Brasil and with the backup from Grupo Bantus from Brasil and Mestre Pintor.
Capoeira is not a Monopoly and is getting that direction, also is not a gossip by who does that or else, Capoeira was made from the slavery to make us free and not as a business or politics.
With al the respect that I have always gave to the Mestres, teachers, profesors and people who deserves it, I'm not trying to get into a fight I'm just trying to make clear that Samba de Roda is not anymore the only Capoeira in Perth and it's time for not trying to hide the sun with your thumb.
AXE BABA!!
Adolfo " Canarinho" Chavez - www.bantus.asn.au
----- Original Message -----
From: J C Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 2:02 PM
Subject: Capoeira... right spell to BR Culture please
Axe' Capoeira!
Simon/ACT, after your last mail and my reply I was waiting to hear about what's on with you guys.
What I have in mind this time? Things are changing in many ways, regarding the Regulation of Capoeira in BR and Olympic Committee, etcs, in AU and elsewhere. I don't need to waste my life/Capoeira. I know what I am (Capoeira) and what I want eat. I follow the wisdom inside the words of the Mestre: CAPOEIRA EH TUDO O QUE A BOCA COME (Capoeira is everything you're eating!).
Mestre Jorge Draga (Perth Capoeira Federation) is aware of what's going on with me and also sharing of his professional views, offering suggestions to help improve my way of living and work. As you know we are friends and share the same professional views regarding the evolution of Capoeira in AU, despite the different way of cooking Capoeira in a Roda training. So far so good, me and Jorge, his Capoeira family, never had any problems but share the best of what we have to offer to the AU community to grow. But that are others that I can't share the same views. Including problems that comes, as you know, regarding the situation of non-Brazilian being teaching Capoeira without the proper graduation and consent of a master in AU and etc involving BRs masters (professional) that shame Capoeira in AU and around, elsewhere.
I could bring out many cases to "play" but let me "call" this one: for ex, Chan from Adelaide that I supported in the past. Chan went to BR last year and got another "martial belt" with some kind of "mestre" from SP that sells 'batizados' to anyone that comes to his classes. Chan goes after that to Bahia to mestre Bamba (Bimba's academy) and after says that he's now working under the supervision of this master and following his Capoeira school way in AU. This is very confusing and some people in BR and here don't like what's going on. Also Chan mailed me to tell how good was his trip to BR, but, after that makes a remark about Junior and his Capoeira School in Adelaide. Chan says that Junior is now 'allied' with Mestre Edval Filhos da Bahia school and if I would like to "chat" about this with him - ??? Yes, I did the same. What the hell do I have to do with them?! What do I have to do with this game from Adelaide, from mestre Bamba or else involved with them?! I am not "allied" with anyone there or elsewhere! Anyway, I told prof. Chan to ring me back if he want to talk. He didn't! I don't know what's going on with Junior and the Capoeira he promotes in ADE since the last time I got involved in their mess. According to Jorge Draga, Junior is well and progressing with his Capoeira in Adelaide. I can only clap hands to Junior and to the Capoeira he offers to educate people. The rest of him and Chan, personal matters, it's none of my concern. I would be happy to discuss professional matters with them if they have something in mind. It seems that unfortunately they can't share the city of Adelaide to work and educate the community with the Capoeira they claim they LOVE - again, confusing!?
There are people here and in BR aware of these facts and questioning about such whereabouts.
The problem seems to still exist in Adelaide, where Chan and Junior can't respect each other, but it may spread to other parts of our country where there are others "non-br" capoeiristas professionally working with Capoeira in the same area where "brs" are. I don't see a problem where a non-Brazilian born wants to work and or promote Capoeira. I see a problem in anyone that can't speak Portuguese or can't play the Gunga and wants to lead a class promoting Capoeira and its culture to the community. Yes, we must be aware of what's going on in 2000 with this "ZEN" business of: Capoeira?! As mestre Jorge Draga wisely called out on the phone another day - (..) [ so you say I am a capitalist... you're paz e amor (piece and love) Capoeira... well, is the Dalai Lama ya wanna to play ??... well, piece and love, you know ya MUST call Dalai's agent and book the services of his... CULTURE?! (...) Thank you very much! Do you understand what's going on?! IT PAYS TO BELONG - or, to have it organised and working in 2000... be the 'food' called ZEN or Capoeira! Why people pay smiling to 'fast-food' and ciggaretes... yet, want to discriminate those working with Capoeira?!
If people want to promote Capoeira let's have it the proper way and in our case in AU let's not repeat what the invaders did with the Aboriginal people and its culture. Ignorance! But the 'aboriginal' game is different now... they are calling for compensation and charging $$ for the didjeridoo you may find in the bush - capiche?! Regarding Capoeira, it seems that "some' people (directly or not) want to "graduate' Capoeira culture in AU the same way THEY graduated the work and dreams of Masters Pastinha and Bimba in Brazil - they died in abandon and in miserably social conditions... - but now, we hear such hypocritical calls of Iee viva meu mestre! - Yes, call JC Iee viva meu mestre now and take him to dinner!!
As I sad, I professionally supported capoeirista Chan (others alike) before because there was a situation where it seemed discrimination was taking place since he was a non-Brazilian teaching Capoeira where at this time nobody BR wanted to take responsibility of the job. The AU boy organised the classes in ADE and it did work. That came to the attention of others that would like to "hand the business" and take charge of Capoeira in ADE. It seems the situation is not the same now. Well, it's none of my business. But when it spreads to my 'RODA' (family - Quilombo) and involves my profession and the name and reputation OF MY CULTURE, my country and discriminate the IDEALS OF ZUMBI AND PALMARES, when Capoeira is corrupted and shamed, well... then JC... let's zum zum zum Besouro Manganga in 2000 to "tune" the game... - so far QUEEN... ahahaah... in ADE... we are Capoeira, the champions in AU... - Iee viva a Capoeira camara!
I don't have ANY "problem" to work my Capoeira classes with the other Capoeira Regional/modern groups that are based in Bondi Beach; or else where I am teaching in AU and overseas. I do my job, YOU DO yours! Respect given... respect taken! Let's share and evolve Capoeira.
As for mestre JC and JC'S situation with the other Capoeira groups in AU and elsewhere I am not interested in wasting my time with people that promote disorder and shame my culture or irresponsible capoeiristas. I am also not "just" promoting anyone that ginga is different from mine as "good" or "bad" or else claiming to be the "pure" Capoeira, etc the unique and "true" way Capoeira can be. As I sad many times, volleyball is not futevoley... but they both "ginga" with a ball and a net. So does Bimba Capoeira and Pastinha. Why not respect and share each one style and enjoy life. So far, as always was, Capoeira is many things! The better is to let people find out by themselves (choose) what they want to eat, if ever they ever claim they are hungry, isn't it?!
By the way, Melanie from CAP TAS is here and we got already the green light to work together. So far, very soon, I am going now to TAS not just to workshop to "tourists" but to prepare the Regular TAS students to share what I have to offer here in AU - this includes participation in my cultural projects and events, and etc.
So my friends/students, masters, Capoeira, I just want to make it very clear - in a paper becomes law - so we all can have a good time and avoid future misunderstandings. Let's clean our gardens from the rubbish that must be recycled so we may have good FOOD to evolve our spirits. *Please fw this to others you may think are interested in this subject/game. Thankyou!
Axe'
Master/Mestre J C - Capoeira (Angola) School
Bondi Beach - Sydney / AU
www.users.bigpond.com/SS.Jeronimo
----- Original Message -----
From: simon le To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, February 22,
2002 5:31 PM
Subject: Canberra
Axe Jeronimo
Long time no hear From you!!..
Nei will starting his classes Tuesday
I'm just wandering on your thoughts about this...
Seeya Simon
Hello Jeronimo
My main reason for writing to you this time, is to let you know the latest news on CDC. This notice was published in the NTU magazine last week.
Casa Da Capoeira (CDC) Notice
'Casa Da Capoeira' is a university club that provides NTU students with
a form of Brazilian martial arts, which incorporates elements of
dance, acrobatics, and music. This school has only existed since
April and has seen big growth in a matter of weeks and has since
continued to grow in numbers. Russell Wilson, Union Manager of NTUSU,
has also recognized the club as being the most active and financially
profiting club presently with the Student Union. However, due to
Amilcar de Oliveira, the teacher of CDC wanting to advance his skills
under Zambiacongo, the school will be without a teacher and it is
for this reason that CDC must close.
The last lesson under 'Casa Da Capoeira' will proceed on Friday 26th October. And on Sunday the members of the two schools will be meeting to enjoy the start of new relationships and greater axe (energy).
'Casa Da Capoeira' thus takes this last opportunity to thank, Amilcar for starting the school and for sharing his knowledge, skills and being a big inspiration to all. Also to the students who together created the warm, loving and supportive environment that has been enjoyed and noticed by all who visit the school. CDC also thanks those groups and people who have given extra support such as NTUSU, Corrugated Iron Youth Arts Group and other single persons in the capoeira circle. **************
Axe' Jeronimo - and do please continue to keep me in touch on what is happening with the capoeira scene.
----- Original Message -----
From: "J C" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 10,
2001
Joao, from Master Jorge Draga - Samba de Roda Perth
Thank you my friend, camarado, for the Axe' you share with me, Capoeira.
Regarding the problem that you expose in your E-mail I would like to share with our community. Sure, nobody can afford to please at the same time gringos + Trojans.
Unfortunately, I will not be present this time at your batizado festival. I am sure that you will have a good one, having my good friend, a Master like Jorge, organizing it. Axe'!
I wish those that will attend the festival- the Masters meeting - will
find a better way to deal with our present situation regarding the <
Non-Brasilian teaching Capoeira in a Non-Professional style is having a
negative influence on us > and other professional and private matters that
are coming to our knowledge disrupting Capoeira and our groups -
Quilombos.
Axe' to you. It's good to see Aust voicing out their opinions to find out solutions.
JERÔNIMO CAPOEIRA - Capoeirista Profissional (Mestre/Master).
Escritor. Professor de Música.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Steingiesser To: [email protected] Sent: Monday,
September 10, 2001 7:12
PMSubject: Ola
Hi Jeronimo,
I would like to start off by thanking you for keeping me informed of
the current issues in Australia's Capoeira and the world. I look forward
to seeing you soon at our Batizado (incase you're unsure I'm a student
in Jorge's Samba de Roda groupo). In my opinion, I think the issue of Non-Brasilians
teaching Capoeira in Australia is very important and an agreement on a
solution/ or standing should be talked about and agreed upon by all the
Professional Capoeira Mastres and Instuctors in Australia (yourself included
ofcourse). I'm not sure on the situation in the East Coast of Australia,
but in Perth (being so isolated and small - by population) it is difficult
to combat this problem. I know there are 2 sides to every coin, but in
our situation - a Non-Brasilian teaching Capoeira in a Non-Professional
style is having a negative influence on us (Samba de Roda) and Capoeira
as a whole. I am not sure how to combat this issue without hurting people
and making everybody happy - it may be impossible. An obvious compromise
has to be agreed upon because the current situation is unacceptable in
my opinion. This is sad, but true.
Thank you once again, it's nice to voice out some of my opinions to
a true Master. Regards to you and your family - tudu de bonm.
Ciao,
Joao (Jon Steingiesser)
=====================
Please forward it to others you think may be interested.
Now in AU young people with no professional experience of Capoeira and very immature are displaying aggression and injuring others during training session. In Darwin promoted by members of the group Zambiaco>
I wonder how long will take to AU government to start legally "calling out" the BR community to respond for such acts of conduct that shames BR and disrupts our AU community. They are now dealing with the "Lebanese" community that are now ALL blamed for the criminal acts that "some" of their community are playing in AU. The immigration Capoeira group may soon want to play a "cleaning" Capoeira game with the people that are not "fit" to FIT AU!
I don't support people disrespecting and shaming Capoeira.
I read Sarah's (Mr Jr Rabello in Adelaide) words bellow and would like to say something else about this situation: Capoeira is my profession and like any other profession in this country I would like to be respected!! Let's stop this nonsense of discriminating Capoeira as if it doesn't have any REAL value.
Sarah Aust citizen and lover of Capoeira, Thankyou for being sincere with me! It's good to know that YOU Aust are enjoying Capoeira and sharing, others are enjoying the result of your commitment and respect to Capoeira.
Thank you in the name of the Brazilian Community for the support you give to promote the positive and productive our culture = CAPOEIRA! Then, Let's stop discrimination. Let's denounce the impostors and traitors of ZUMBI, LAMPIAO, BIMBA, PASTINHA... in BR... and in 2000 AU... - ?!@ - Let's in AU maintain and evolve what we have of good, social achievements that in BR they are still trying hard to get (graduate), things such as: social security, school, respect, and equality of rights, etc.
Please, let's ALL follow in this song, Ladainha to start our Roda de
Capoeira, to live and die...:
YOU (I) MUST BE THE (real) CHANGE (I) YOU WANT TO SEE IN THIS WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Axe'!!
JERÔNIMO CAPOEIRA
- Capoeirista Profissional (Mestre/Master).<
Jerônimo Santos Da
Silva: Brazilian (born) Citizen. Australian (immigrant) Citizen.
----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]>To:
<[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:24 AM Subject: Junior Rebello
Dear Jeronimo,
You will probably not remember me, but I can certianly remember you
from when you were here in Adelaide for WOMAD. At that stage I was frequenting
Chans Capoeira classes, after having been in Brasil for a year. About a
month later
Junior rang me and said that he was starting his own classes. As I
was finding Chans classes rather unsatisfying, I jumped at the chance of
being in a class with a workable amount of people in it.
I have know Junior for just over 2 years; basically from when he first
arrived here. In Brasil I stayed with his family in Sao Paulo and I have
a very close relationship with his Mum and Brothers. Now, I wasn't there
on that Friday when
Tom went to class, so I don't feel obliged to comment on that incident
(I'm not going to judge on what just a few people have said to me). I think
that we all need to look at this situation and say "there are always 2
side of the story, if
you haven't heard them both, don't judge". That sounds very righteous
and I'll be the first to admit that I have judged people before I heard
their side of the story. However, seeing what has been floating around
the net I feel that Junior
has not been given a fair go.
I think that we should all look at what Junior has been doing with
Capoeira here in Adelaide. Since that group started about 4 months ago,
Junior has not been running the group as a business. Instead, only rent
is paid for and if people
care, they can donate money to the charity which we support. Each month
the charity changes and the money raised goes to people who need it. So
far we have supported Bluey Day and the Make a Wish Foundation. We are
about to choose a third Charity to support. Junior has also been looking
for a sponsor which could help us subsidise the rent and the lessons could
be made even cheaper; therefore making Capoeira more accessable to everyone,
not just those who have lots of money. Afterall that's what Capoeira is
about, breaking class and social
barriers.
So before everyone judges Junior for this incident, have a look at
how much good he is bringing into the community. He is not this Violent
person that everyone is portraying him as, his is a kind, generous man
who gives up his time to pass
on the wonder that Capoeira is. Yes, he could profit from his classes,
but he doesn't. He knows that he can't change the jealous and spiteful
world that we live in, but he's doing his best and a lot of people are
benifiting.
All I have ever received from Junior is respect. Respect is all that
we should be giving back to him.
Axe
Sarah
=================
----- Original Message ----- From: "theme" <[email protected]>
To: "J C" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 1:55 AM
Subject: Re: Problem of BRs in AU = shaming the reputation of BR, culture
and people - Capoeira!
Dear Jeronimo
Thank you for keeping me up to date of events in the Capoeira community.
I am heartened to see you are still playing a very effective and sincere game, to untie the shackles that many capoeiristas still wear to serve their masters' egos.
You are helping people move from a place of dependency and servitude to become true, effective citizens of this earth. Who will demand what is right, not what is proper.
For centuries, people did what they were told to. Environmental disasters,
wars, failures, because they were following orders. NO MORE, no more. In
order, for the human race to grow, we must learn to question each and every
aspect of our life. To demand an end to violence and slavery of minds.
I am with you in spirit, all the way.
Calada = USA
======================
----- Original Message -----
From: "chan griffin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 5:05 PM Subject: Soul Capoeira tom
and junior
Dearest Jeronimo,
How are you? I have not seen you for ages, and I am missing very
much
having many talks with you before breakfast. I hope your cat
is alright.
Anyway, I am writing to you because of a few very big issues that have
just
happened here in Adelaide concerning Capoeira. It is very tragic
and I hope
that we will be able to resolve this in the best and most proper manner.
Now, I better start from the beginning so that you will be able to
get the
best understanding of the situation as possible. I know that
much of this
is bias and debatable, but I am a very open person, and I am sure that
anyone who has met me will agree that I am not a violent person, nor
any
single one of my students. I could even go as far as we are anti-violent
capoeiristas.
As you know, I started learning Capoeira in Brasil when I was over there
for
a student exchange. When I came back to Adelaide, Capoeira did
not exist,
and so for a good half a year Adelaide did not have any Capoeira.
Then, a
guy called Arnaldo Junior from Grupo Mandinga whos mestre is Mestre
Cesar,
came to town to study english. I met him in Rundle Mall and we
instantly
became friends. We had a roda right there and then in the middle
of the
Mall. I convinced Junior after much nagging, to start teaching
Capoeira
here in Adelaide. He finally gave in and started teaching once
a week. For
the first month everything was great, I helped heaps to advertise and
get
the word out. Most of the people who came to class were my friends.
After a
couple of Months Junior stopped coming to some of the classes, and
eventually the classes became non-existent because of his study load
I
think. Anyway, Capoeira stopped for a short while, and then I
kept ringing
him and asking him to start teaching again, so he started teaching
again in
the Rennaissance Gym, which was right in the Central of town.
So he started
teaching twice a week, and then after a couple of months again, he
stopped
coming to class and on the spare of the moment asked me to go through
some
exercises with everyone. Anyway, classes stopped after a month
or so, and I
went back to Brazil. I then got my cordao de Instrutor from Grupo
Avante
Capoeira with Mestre Reginaldo. When I got back, I started classes
again at
the rennassiance tower, and asked junior to teach a class or two a
week. So
off we went teaching together, and all was fine and dandy. I
organised the
whole buisness side, made all the advertising and took care of the
administration, whilst Junior taught when he could and also tried to
teach
me how to become a better teacher at the same time. What I thought
that
held it together the most was my being able to handle responsibility
and
Junior's ability to make Capoeira seem authentic and give it so much
energy.
Eventually Junior started to come to class a little more disgruntled,
or
distracted. Some classes you could just look at him and know
that you
shouldnt go near him. In these classes, you could really feel
the energy go
down. Students started complaining to me about the way that junior
was
approaching them, and teaching them. Some of them thought that
he was being
too rough. I didnt know what to do, Junior still treated me like
a student,
and always has. I had such a great loyalty towards my teacher
that I could
not bear to tell him, and knew that he was just having bad days.
Me and the
students talked about this sometimes, and the problems just kept increasing.
Eventually the injuries became too much, with junior punching
a couple of
the students in the face, one of the students also had to be taken
to
hospital by junior because he nearly broke his ribs. And their
were also
many unnecassary rasteiras that were given. Eventually, the Brazilian
exchange students who had been visiting our classes regularly for around
six
months approached junior and sat down with him and talked with him
for four
hours. Junior thought it was great that everyone was giving him
feedback,
and said that he will change his ways, however, it didnt really work
out
that way and he still came to class as sad as ever. Junior came
more
infrequently, and eventually said that he was going to move to perth.
He
left Adelaide for around two months, not keeping in contact or anything.
Then one day out of the blue he came to class again and said he had
moved
back to Adelaide and he wanted his classes back. I told him that
I could
not give him his old classes back because I had fit them into my schedule,
but I told him that the demand for classes has been huge and it would
be
great if he could do some more classes so at a different time, so that
we
could have more people coming to classes and the classes not being
so full.
So, junior said yeah thats fine and we will work something out.
Junior did
not come back to Capoeira for a month, and then he came back one saturday
afternoon in the middle of a beginners class, showing up just for the
finishing roda. He walked up to the berimbau and was singing
some
disafeios, some challenges, some fighting songs whilst the music was
playing
and everyone was stretching for the roda. We then went through
some songs
like we usually do before a roda, and Junior invited me to the pe da
roda.
I went there, and you could cut the tension in the air like cheese.
I knew
that he wanted a fight, I could see it in his eyes. I went up
carefully,
and he sung another disafeio, and we went in. We played really
slow angola,
fairly protective, and then out of nowhere, completely out of context
junior
jumps up into a bencao, I dodge it and give him a light martelo to
the side,
in where he whips around and returns the kick. The brazilians
who were
playing the berimbaus stood up and threw the instruments into the roda
and
told junior that he was a disgrace to Capoeira and that they were ashamed
to
be brazilian because of him, and walked out. Junior and I stood
their in
the middle of the roda shouting at each other. I told him that
we cannot do
this in front of all the beginners because they do not need to be exposed
to
this. He said that he wanted all the beginners to know, they
all needed to
know. We exchanged a few harsh words, more personal than anything,
and then
he ended by saying that he will never ever come back, and will never
teach
again, and left.
The next day, junior rang me up and asked whether I was willing to talk
to
him. We met up for coffee, and junior apologised for everything and
said
that he had a few personal issues to sort out. He told me to
apologise to
our group and I told him that he should do that himself when everyone
has
cooled down a bit. He never did. That conversation was
really the last
time I ever properly talked to junior. He seemed distant, as
if he wasnt
really their, as if he had already left our group. That last
coffee was
more a closure to our friendship than an apology.
Anyway, after me taking on classes by myself for six months, and our
classes
becoming bigger and bigger, we eventually moved to a bigger location
and I
started teaching five nights a week. Everything was fine and
dandy, you
came over for Womad, with many other capoeiristas from around Australia.
Things were going really well. Then, junior started teaching
again with a
girl named Maira. They went back to the place in where both junior
and I
used to teach together. Eventually, there classes became bigger.
I told all
of my students that juniors class was their and they were all free
to go and
do classes with him. Many of my old students who were with me
back when we
were both teaching refused to go back their. Some of them were
eagerly
invited back by junior himself. This brings us up to date.
now, Tom was
invited many times by junior to his classes. Since Tom was in
Europe when
the history between me and junior went horribly wrong, Tom did not
fully
understand what had happened, and still really liked junior.
So Tom did
went to my classes and then went to Juniors class afterwards.
Now,
yesterday, Tom went to juniors class and everything went horribly wrong.
Junior invited Tom to play the berimbau when the roda was on, whilst
junior
played with his students. Junior took the berimbau from Tom and
Tom played
a game with another student. Junior then invited tom to play
with him and
they went in. Now, apparently the roda started off okay, and
then the
violence escalated. Junior hit him lightly on the side, then
tom put his
foot next to juniors showing that he could have given him a rasteira.
Junior then hits him a few more times lightly, and then gives Tom a
big
Galopante (like a punch) in the face. straight after that Tom
gave Junior a
vingativa and put him on the floor. Tom then immediately went
and did a
volta ao mundo to say sorry, but junior just shook his head and kept
doing
ginga. A few more nasty kicks were exchanged and then the game
stopped and
they shook hands. When Tom was walking out of the Roda Junior
pushed him in
the back hard and told him to 'get the fuck out of his class'
and that to
tell me(chan) not to send him(tom) to do his dirty work. He said
that he
couldnt believe that he had come and brought violence into his roda,
and
accused Tom of coming to his class with the sole purpose of challenging
him
and fighting. As Tom left, apparently he apologised to his class
for the
violence.
Now, I have known Tom for four years, and I have never ever seen him
be
violent towards anyone or anything. I couldnt even imagine Tom
in a
situation like that and it made my soul truly drop when I heard this
story.
Tom was so shaken about the whole event he ran down stairs and rang
me
straight away. We talked about it in great detail, with Toms
voice
quivering every now and again. It was one of the worst things
that could
have happened. I personally still had a couple of issues with
junior, but
they were not important and I assumed they would eventually fade away.
But
now they have been awakened again, and this time it is so much more
painful
because one of my students had to experience one of juniors 'bad days'
too.
I could not understand the reasoning behind why junior would do that.
Tom
is a student and he obviously did not go to try and beat up his professor.
They were friends. Our groups will never be the same again. Capoeira
in
Adelaide will never be the same again. Because of this incident,
I cannot
allow any of my students to ever go to any of juniors classes again,
just
out of fear that they will be victims to Juniors maliciousness.
Tom and I
met up for coffee again today and talked in great depth about what
happened
and what will happen now. We also couldnt believe that we (our
group) had
been forced into this situation again. Just because of juniors
temper.
Junior had the ability to stop the roda, It was juniors class after
all. He
was responsibile for showing his beginners the beauty of Capoeira,
instead
he showed them the disgust and foul self-centredness of himself.
He created
an unneccassary rivalry between our groups, and basically told his
group
that my group promoted violence and to never go their.
Now, where we can go from here is really depressing and a hard road
that I
will have to take. I know that what needs to be done is to acheive
happiness and peace, so that we can continue to spread the good word
of
Capoeira to everyone. But how can I achieve that when junior
is trying to
poison our group and the name of Capoeira. He is manipulating
the minds of
his students and giving them a false impression of what Capoeira is.
With
this knowledge he is hurting us. He is hurting Capoeira in Adelaide,
Capoeira in Australia and Capoeira as a whole. I am deeply saddened
by this
whole event and am trying to seek your guidance in this situation.
I dont
know what to do.
I am going to ring junior tomorrow and try and meet up with him with
Tom,
and try and discuss what happened. I still think this will not
achieve
anything. I really dont think Junior is mentally well. I just
cant
comprehend how one person could be so malicious.
please respond promptly jeronimo, as I really need to seek guidance
on this
issue and resolve it as quickly and as painlessly as possible.
Thankyou for being here for Capoeira Jeronimo, thankyou for your work
to try
and make Capoeira prosper.
Axe, e boa noite,
Chan
Administrator, teacher and professional Capoeirista of Soul Capoeira.
=====================
From: "J C" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 9:18 AM
Subject: Resposta ao grupo Soul Capoeira de
ADE - Agressao na Roda
Chan, grupo Soul Capoeira de ADE...Capoeira da AU...
A situacao eh a seguinte:
Nao to afim de me envolver pessoalmente no problema profisional de vc/s
ai em ADE. Mas, como
falei antes pra menina que ta na TAS, se eu fechar os olhos e ouvidos
pra o que vc ta falando
e denunciando ACABO me queimando junto com todos os BRs, Libaneses,
etcs, que so fazem merda
por aqui e afora.
Como vc nao eh meu aluno, nem eu tenho nada a ver com o Junior que eh
aluno do Me. Cesar de
SP e Maira que diz ter treinado ate em Salvador e deve ter um mestre
por la, eu poderia so
dizer que VC passe a ignorar eles e que fale pra teus alunos pra nao
se involver com eles.
Como eu passei a fazer aqui em Sydney, depois de anos tentando ser
um "CARA LEGAL" COM O
RESTO DO PESOAL QUE AQUI ESTA, e agora nao me envolvo, respeito o trabalho
que fazem mas FICA
cada um na sua!
Deixa eles na deles e fica na sua! Se o Junior for ate a tua academia
aprontar com VC e teus
alunos, chama a IMIGRACAO e denuncia a todos os BRs ilegais e o que
ele ta fazendo de merda
com o teu trabalho, afinal tu eh australiano e ele ta baguncando na
nossa casa e pais! Depois
disso te garanto que ninguem vai querer fazer media com VC! Nao fazem
comigo!
Deixo a tua mensagem pra que os outros profissionais que estao trabalhando
na AU decidam o
que querem fazer em relacao ao caso. VC nao eh o unico. Tem uma garota
(de origem nao
brasileiera) ensinando em melbourne que pelo que entendi nao sabe do
Edval, outro grupo de um
dissidente do Luisinho Barravento em Darwin, o Tom Canguru em Perth,
o pessoal da TAS... e
por ai vai.
Resultado, pra mim ta tudo bem, to na minha e tenho meu Regulamento
profissional de trabalho
e conduta bem claro pra
nao dar mais historia com ninguem.
Como VC foi formado no BR, mas nao esta ligado ao "mestre" que te graduou,
VC tem que assumir
a tua postura de profissional com a Capoeira e teu trabalho. Como VC
nao eh brasileiro fica
ainda mais puxado o trabalho, vc tem que provar com unhas e dentes
que tem dende e que
respeita a nossa cultura e ritual, a Capoeira.
Nao aprovo o procedimento do Junior ou de quem quer que seja que use
de agressao e falta de
fundamento e jogo, pra querer provar isso ou aquilo em evento ou Roda
de Capoeira. Mas, nao
vou me envolver mais do que ja estou pois a coisa nao eh direto comigo.
So fica o fato de que
se ele, outros do genero arrogancia, queimam o filme da Capoeira eu
acabo na foto. Mas, como
to legalizado e bem organizado, nao vou cair num quadro negro com este
tipo de atitude de
brasileiro que so faz merda e nao te educacao nem respeito por outros,
nem fundamento de jogo
de Capoeira.
Obrigado pela consideracao ao me delatar o fato, e espero que VC/s consigam
progredir a
vida de VC/s, o grupo de Capoeira em ADE. Me avisa do resultado do
teu jogo com o Junior e
Maira. Alias, se vc estiver presente em Perth durante o encontro Nacional
da
Capoeira que vai rolar no evento do mestre Jorge Draga a gente pode
ter uma chance de falar a
respeito disso com todo mundo, os mestres do BR e os daqui, e chegar
a alguma conclusao
produtiva e positiva.
Um abraco!
JERÔNIMO CAPOEIRA - Capoeirista Profissional (Mestre/Master).
======================
From: "Clive Heywood Barker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 3:35 PM Subject: Re: Thoughts
Axe'
So Mr Karl blames Venessa for her brothers' aggression!
perhaps we could drag up some dirt on Karls uncle and blame him!
Does it not occur to people that the aggression of ones' brother could
lead
one to be against aggression in all people?
I believe it is good to expose the bigots / cowards amongst us but lets
not
blame others
Xuxa
====================
From: Rol _One
>To: [email protected]
>Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 7:51 PM
>Subject: Re: Thoughts
>
>
>Jeronimo,
>
>When a high graded cord / teacher or mestre etc has to get their kicks
by
>picking on lower graded students then thats pretty poor. They've either
got
>serious "ego" problems or plain and simple problems in bed !
>
>Good luck to them but don't take it out on ya students cause one day
they
>might bite back !
>
>Respect to Mestre Jeronimo, Sangue Bom, Phantazma, Mestre Gato and
all the
>rest that I've been fortunate enough to learn from
>
>Roland (hato)
>
===================
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Karl Erakovic
> >To: [email protected]
> >Cc: [email protected]
> >Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 10:54 AM
> >Subject: Re: Casa de Capoeira Darwin @ thoughts for Chan
> >
> >
> >Hi Jeronimo,
> >How are you and your family. I hope they, and everything is going
well.
>Gabriela, Jed and myself have been travelling around and have decided
to
>live in Brisbane for awhile. Things have been very hectec but we are
really
>enjoying ourselves.
> >
> >I have to respond to the email you forwarded to me from Vennessa.
I just
>find it such a joke that Vennessa is such a hipocrit (publically)
does she
>forget that her own brother (Amilka) while teaching Capoeira for a
very
>short time, put 2 women students in Hospital with serious injuries
(One he
>kicked in the Face with a shappa(in a public Roda) and the other he
dropped
>on her head both had to be rushed immediatly to Hospital) and hurt
a number
>of other students purely from showing off. The sad thing is, people
like
>Vennessa and others should practice what they preach and stop hurting
>people by supporting PRETEND Capoeira instructors.
> >Did you know that Amilka (their instructor) is still teaching and
>promoting Capoeira. He has no recognised accreditation or affilliation
or
>expeirence. He started his own school (unapproved by anyone) after
learning
>Capoeira for just 1 and a half years - Im sure even the best Capoeiristas
>in Brazil would find it hard to set up there own school after learning
>Capoeira for 1.5 years.
> >Anyway, I guess I shouldnt be to supprised.
> >Take care and I hope to see you at Zambiacongos Batisado in October.
> >All the best
> >Karl - ** from Zambiacong Capoeira Group
> >=======
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: vanessa ~~ ;
> >To: [email protected]
> >Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:41 AM
> >Subject: thoughts for Chan
> >
> >
> >Hello Jeronimo
> >
> >I want to thank-you for keeping Casa Da Capoeira (CdC) abreast of
events,
>comments and issues surrounding this 'communal sport' - or at least
when
>the teachers allow it to be.
> >
> >The email Chan sent you, was touching and i feel sorry for anyone
who is
>forced into such situations. But i think Chan did well in role modeling
>good behavior to his students: by not meeting aggression with aggression
>and in seeking advice for the benefit of himself, the school and perhaps
>even for the benefit of the aggressor.
> >
> >I would like him to know i take my hat off to him, to say well done
for
>pursuing and thus trying to promote peace and positive interactions
even in
>confrontational situations. Unfortunately, things don't always turn
out
>like we hope, but when there is good intentions and perseverance for
the
>benefit of all, the fruits or results of it are not far away. And
it is
>these kinds of attitudes we need to be supporting and influencing
around us
>everyday despite what happens.
> >
> >Axe' vanessa
========================
From: "chan griffin" <[email protected]> To: JC <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001
Subject: Capoeira Darwin to karl
Jeronimo could you please pass this on to karl, of grupo Zambiacongo,
thankyou, axe e um abracao chan.
Karl,
I am a little curious as to ask what exactly classifies a REAL Capoeira
Instructor. If you mean someone who has been graded and recognised
by a
mestre, I have been so. So I am quite offended that you have
subtly implied
that I am a PRETEND instructor. I was graded by Mestre Regionaldo
from
Avante Capoeira. My rank as an instructor allows me to teach.
I talked
much with my mestre about opening a school here in Adelaide, and he
was okay
with the idea. Our Capoeira here in Adelaide has been nothing
but peaceful
learning and progression of Capoeira. I may have mis understood
your email,
and if I did I am sorry. But, it is quite hard for me to be understood
or
even respected as a teacher just because I am australian, thus, I must
make
sure that I am not misunderstood. I do not know about the situation
of
Vennessa, and as I do not know I will remain neutral and without opinion
for
such a subject. I hope that you too can remain the same towards
my group as
you have not visited nor even tried to comprehend what work I am doing
here
in Adelaide.
Thankyou for your respect on this issue.
chan.
Administrator, Teacher and Professional Capoeirista of Soul Capoeira.
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From: "chan griffin" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 5:34 PM
Subject: para todos os participantes e mestres do Festival em Perth
Para todos as participantes e mestres de o festival
Do Mestre Jorge Draga no Perth:
Eu estou com muito perdoa que eu nao vou poder ir o evento de Jorge
Draga no final de Septembro. Eu pedi desculpes, eu estou
preparando para ir a Brasil pra estudar e treinar a Capoeira, para
ficar melhor de incinar e tambem treinar mais Capoeira geralmente.
Entao, eu nao vou poder participar este ano no evento de Jorge
Draga
porque eu tenho que guardar o meu dinhero e tambem foca mais no meu
trabalho de faculdade. Eu sei que seu evento Jorge vai ser um
sucesso,
e espero que tudo mundo ter um experiencia fenominal!
Eu quero saber de que voces descutir e concluir no seu 'national
meeting' porque eu sei que o que voces vao descutir e muito importante
para juntar a Capoeira em Australia. Estou querendo muito ajudar
em
qualquer jeito que eu posso para fortalizar a Capoeira aqui em
Australia.
Desculpe de novo, e um abraco pra todos, Axe.
Chan.
Administratior, Teacher and Professional Capoeirista of Soul Capoeira.
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From: vanessa ~~ To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: Thoughts... for Casa de Capoeira Darwin... @ from showing
off aggression and human disrespect
Wow, hi Jeronimo
What can i say, i was shocked at the email you sent me with Karl's response to a message i sent you and Chan. I did not know that you fwded to everyone, but i am glad you did as I think this sad approach and situation with Karl raises some good points.
Before I add to Karls comments, I want people to think about what we want for the future of capoeira. How do we want people to conduct themselves in the roda, in public, when we hold discussions over matters of interest or concern on the Internet, etc. Our attitudes or behaviors will fuel how others see capoeira and its benefits for themselves and society? Do we want capoeiristas to conduct themselves in away that gives thought to other people’s feelings, cultures, good intentions, potentials and complete stories?
Because if you do, I think we need to start setting standards in the way the future discussions are to transgress between capoeirista's. But if we are going to start setting standards for capoeira we also need to look at what it means when this overlaps onto the way we treat others. Respect is a word that I like and which is important, as it opens up doors for relationships, negotiations and cooperation between individuals and groups for the benefit of all.
Keeping this in mind, to reply to Karl's thoughts, I must point out that, I have always and only been a student like any other throughout the whole joined capoeira adventure between Karl and Amilcar in Darwin. Thus, I do not see the appropriateness of involving me in what is obviously a personal thing for Amilcar. Any one with brothers or sister will know that their bros + sisters don't represent who they are, as we are all our own person, with the right to individualism and should not be confused or affected by things of family members.
Now, my position in the issues raised by Karl, is of a student who was present and who feels sorry for my teacher who accepted, and took on the entire burden for what occurred in 1998 on a capoeira camp in Mandora, where Karl’s partner got hurt and had to be taken to hospital. I can remember myself , how scary a thing it was seeing a friend in pain and not knowing how to help her.
I think it is valid to also mention that Amilcar was 20 years old at this time and Karl by far his senior. I remember Karl on the beach encouraging Amilcar to teach acrobatic movements, as the students were really enthusiastic to learn and asking to learn some acrobatics. I remember Amilcar and Karl in charge of the support of the students who wanted to try. I remember Amilcar telling the students not to come up unless they were feeling absolutely sure and confident about doing it, I remember me thinking about my weight and how it made me lack confidence, I remember not feeling to good about Gabi doing the jump, I remember feeling responsible for not stepping in to voice my concerns before the accident happened, I remember Amilcar feeling so helpless like all the rest of us and sad for Gabi, I remember Amilcar not being able to apologies enough for what happened, I remember Amilcar saying he will never teach such acrobatics again to students as it was not what he learnt from his instructor, I remember Karl and Gabi having forgave him as they said it was something that Amilcar became wiser about. Yes, Amilcar is wiser about the safety of his students and makes sure he is now doing things to standard by others. What happened to Gabi still lives inside of his mind and that's what makes him a better teacher today. The blame of that event, I feel was not only the responsibility of Amilcar, but of everyone who was there, and that felt a bit uncomfortable when Gabi went up but didn't’t say anything. We all are to blame for that day. Luckily Gabi does not suffer any physical damage, something that we thankful for.
The the case of the second student, that was mentioned having gone to hospital, happened at a camp in Litchfield that neither Karl or I attended, which should give us less authority to talk about. However, from the recounts of the students who were there and Amilcar, which were all similar, said it happened when they all played in the roda. Amilcar took a student to play in the jogo as he always does. He would kick and the student would go down in to a esquiva. All was fine and when he moved into a slow mai lua de kulpas, the student seeing the kick reacted with a esquiva, but moved into the kick Amilcar had done. Her head hit Amilcars heel in a sensitive spot, on her forehead just above the eyebrows. The student sat out for the rest of the game as she was not feeling too well after that. The next lesson she came to the class and she still participated. Amilcar told her to take it easy as he was concerned as her forehead was still swelled. We were all socked at the proportion of the swelling. Of cause she went to the hospital to have it checked, like any one would do, to make sure that everything was o.k. To conclude i feel this kind of accident could happen anywhere with two students and with teachers.
Concerning Amilcar not being a qualified teacher, that is true. Neither are for example, many English teachers teaching English around the world in institutions. But why is that, could it be because there is a need to learn that surpasses the availability and accessibility of such teachers. As long as there is support that they are doing it the right way and with guidance , I think it can prove to be an advantage for Capoeira and encourage those who are teaching to want to become more qualified. Amilcar has always preferred to be taught than to teach, but at the moment its his only way at keeping capoeira alive for him and for others who share his interest.
Going back to what i said at the beginning, that capoeiristas should adhere to some sort of etiquette when voicing opinions or concerns, as it is important for the well being of people and for the image of capoeira as a sport, this needs to be done appropriately and with diplomacy.
A lot of unjust things has happened her in Darwin because of Capoeira – Its not an appropriate place or time to mention them. But the truth as they say always does come out at the end. Capoeira should be about helping to better ones life and the lives of others (even getting active as a group and getting involved in community things is a good way). But what I want to stress here is we do not need to bring each other down, but to lift each other up by speaking out what’s on our minds in (ones again) considerate and appropriate manners so that we can help build good and progressive attitudes which will help us all to be winners. In conclusion, give advice by all means, but don't attack the spirits of people and try to steal capoeira from under them. Funny how history tries to repeat itself * if we let it.
Axe
Vanessa
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----- Original Message -----
From: "J C" <[email protected]>
To: "Grant Cole" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 10:42 AM
Subject: if they "kick" girls in BR... Capoeira
in AU should follow ONE NATION = ??!!
----- Original Message -----
From: WAKEFIELD,Caroline
To: 'J C'
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 4:15 PM
Subject: RE: Thoughts... for Casa de Capoeira Darwin... @ from showing
off aggresion and
human disrespect
Dear Jeronimo,
axe!
i thought i might say ola e como vai voce to you. i haven't written
to you for some time. but
you are quite often in my thoughts, mainly because capoeira is often
in my thoughts! :)
i thought i might comprar o jogo at this point - because yes, i did
train with Grupo
Zambiacongo in Brisbane. I do not know who this Amilka is or who Vanessa
is. but i would like
to tell you about my training there in Brisbane with Claudio Caracol.
Claudio always showed respect to me and to the rest of his students.
We did train quite hard
i think, i gained a lot of fitness through doing capoeira with him
in Brisbane. He did teach
some songs, and to play the instruments a little, but I think I would
have liked to have
learnt more from him in that regard. To be honest, I did not do capoeira
on a very regular
basis in Brisbane. Because you see, of some of the people there. I
found that the classes
Claudio held at my university were nice - I liked the relaxed atmosphere
and the similar
attitudes of students there. His classes in West End which included
much more experienced and
higher belted students I found not as enjoyable, because I wasn't good
friends with anyone
there. Also, I found sometimes some people there played with a bit
more aggression then I
liked. Most people in Zambiacongo group are very nice and play interesting
capoeira, but
sometimes it gets a bit more aggressive than how i would like to play.
I've been kicked twice by one person in the group. The first was a meia
lua de compasso in my
face, by a girl there who is very fast, strong player. i felt humiliated,
and hurt, but i
wasn't hurt physically very badly. but i thought that i just needed
to be more careful and
watch myself, and yeah, maybe not be as aggressive because maybe she
saw me as a challenge.
later, she kicked me again with a bencao, just in my chest. not too
hard - but i got a bit of
a shock. i went off by myself to the bathroom straight after. she came
in to see if i was
okay, but i was too ashamed to say anything. i didn't go to classes
for a month after that.
and afterwards, i played more slowly, and i avoided playing with the
girl who kicks! because
i found her too aggressive for me.
i thought something was wrong with me because i should be able to take
a kick. i thought i
wasn't good enough. i thought i just needed to be more careful, get
better with my technique.
since coming to canberra though, and going to your classes, i know that
violence does not
have to be a part of capoeira. i know i don't like to hurt anyone,
and i try to be very
careful in class. we really have fun and informal and relaxed 'classes'
here. no one is a
master, we are all students of the roda. we learn from each other,
we teach each other and
help each other as much as we can. capoeira for me has become so much
more than just doing
the moves - reading your book, going to your class, playing at bondi
and reading your
emails - you have opened my eyes to so much more. the world of capoeira
is so much wider than
i thought - and how we play capoeira and treat each other has become
so much more important.
i really wish that we had a master like you in canberra to learn from
every day - because i
miss singing the songs, i miss playing instruments, a miss having a
roda with people from
lots of different levels and backgrounds. i think the capoeira players
in canberra miss out
on hearing the stories, learning the 'spirit' of capoeira - because
we only learn moves, we
are not learning the whole of capoeira.
thank you for sending us your emails - i have been passing them on to
some of the new
students here.
axe,
caroline
-----Original Message-----
From: J C [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, 31 August 2001 16:41
To: Caroline; Ed music (ACT); James ACT
Subject: Thoughts... for Casa de Capoeira Darwin... @ from showing
off aggresion and human
disrespect
Thanks Karl and let's US all meditate on these events and know the people
that are using
(this is OK) and ABUSING (this is not ok!) from the Brazilian culture
and CAPOEIRA.
I just wonder what could say Master Luizinho Baravento, Grupo Zambiacongo,
Gold
Coast-Brisbane, from where Amilka, Vanessa's brother was first introduced
to Capoeira... it
makes me wonder about an old saying... "filho de peixe peixinho eh"...
or... " like father...
like son..." --- could that be an exception or...
I will talk to Luizinho about this situation, I am faxing him this letter.
Let's see what he
will say or act, or simple ignore the matter, since the name of his
Capoeira group and his
reputation, his work, is geting this far in Australia and... Yes$$...
da volta ao mundo
camara... and let's expose our positive, productive, and negative,
shame, that we produce and
promote!
Please forward this message if you think is important to alert others
envolved with Capoeira
about this kind of "game" that may arise to shame the work of people
that are true to
Capoeira and their communities.
Axe' to all of YOU!@
Mestre Jeronimo - Professional Capoeirista - JC'S Capoeira School -
Sydney AU
ROD@ VIRTUAL: <www.users.bigpond.com/SS.Jeronimo>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Varenya Mohan-Ram" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: Thoughts - for Karl and Vanessa
To all associated with Capoeira,
I have kept quiet so far, reading all the emails and replies concerning
this
topic
What bewilders me is that the replies that Karl have received are very
much
out of context.
Firstly Chan, Karl was not by any means having a go at you. I
don't know
how you read so much into his email. We all respect your work and hear
much
good of what you do.
Xuxa, you speak as if you know the situation???? Karl's email doesn't
reflect blame rather a point of view that he was trying to portray,
inorder
to raise a point. I agree that it is important for us to 'look into
our own
back yard before chastising anyone elses' however sometimes we need
to
ensure that some take responsibility for their actions.
Roland, I do take exception to what you say about our previous instructor
of
zambiacongo Darwin, yet well respected friend- Karl.
Again, the whole story is not aired, yet many make poorly imformed
judgements. This is all I will say on this.
I am a little disturbed that in someone's email they made a likeness
of
Ameilka's being, to Mestrando Luiz Barravento. Let me say with
the greatest
respect to Ameilka....'HE should be that lucky'or rather 'we all should
be
that lucky'
M. Barravento has a huge amounts of students and he cannot be responsible
for everyone and all their actions, only frown upon, talk, resolve,
teach
and finally remove that person if their actions threaten the well being
of
the group, and the name of Capoeira itself.
Many enjoy M.Barravento, he doesn't just have a following, he has friends
that enjoy him in and out of the roda. I have never seem him preech
violence, only prepare us for it.
It is a big difference when someone as young, yet wise, great and humble,
still had the time to teach us the Ginga.
I wish you well.
VArenya
Zambiacongo Darwin