Here's David's line - not too good:

IP 5
H 6
R 5
ER 5
BB 5
SO 3
HR 2
ERA 5.08
susan peters ~ [email protected]

http://www.geocities.com/coney36_nyy/

Hi again everyone!  Just a quick note to let you know the front page has
been updated...:)

Take care~ ~ ~ ~~ ~
                --KC :)

OMG, i cant believe that, i love the mailing list, being in spain it has been 
so helpful, the forum is a good idea if you cant get another mailing list, 
anything for us to communicate our coney ideas really, i got to run, take 
care everyone..

siempre
rupunk

Hi!  Sorry to hear about the listbot.  I hope we can do something to keep
this thing going - either a mailing list or a forum is OK with me.  The only
problem with a forum is if it is quiet for a few days, sometimes people kind
of forget to visit it, which can be depressing for the person running it.

But either way is OK by me - any place to discuss Coney is a place I'll
definitely visit!

Take care and keep smiling...

Ally :)
allybear
[email protected]
IM:  allybearm

By Dylan Hernandez, Globe Correspondent, 6/26/2001 

After facing just one batter, David Cone lost his control. 

Coming off a string of stellar starts, Cone struck out the first
hitter of last night's game, then proceeded to misplace his pitches
and get whacked. 

Of course, it didn't matter much since the Red Sox were playing the
last-place Tampa Bay Devil Rays, who always seem to find a way to lose
and have dropped all 10 of their contests against Boston this season. 

Cone lasted five innings, giving up six hits (including two homers)
and five runs (all earned), and walked five. Nonetheless, he had a
better outing than Tampa Bay starter Ryan Rupe, who gave up nine
earned runs in 4 1/3 innings. The Sox came out with a 12-8 victory and
Cone somehow earned the win to improve to 3-1. 

''I put us in a hole early and the team really responded,'' Cone said.
''We just kept banging it out. They certainly saved me tonight.'' 

''He pitched better than the other guy,'' said Red Sox pitching coach
Joe Kerrigan. ''Sometimes, that's what you have to do in this league.
Our bullpen wasn't in real good shape tonight. The important thing is
that he gave us five innings.'' 

Cone, ironically, said he hadn't felt better going into a game all
season. 

But after Cone struck out the first batter, Randy Winn, Steve Cox
reached on an infield hit that he chopped over the mound. Cox came
home when Cone left a fastball over the plate that Greg Vaughn took
over the Monster for his 18th homer of the season. 

An inning later, Cone gave Mike DiFelice and Brent Abernathy, hardly
offensive threats, back-to-back walks. After a sacrifice, DiFelice
scored on a sacrifice fly by Winn and Abernathy crossed the plate when
Cox singled again. At that juncture, the Red Sox trailed, 4-0. 

''I couldn't get my fastball over,'' Cone said. ''I was missing with a
lot of pitches. It was frustrating to walk those first two guys.'' 

From there, Cone managed to regain some of his command. Another
mistake, however, came in the fourth. Cone left another fastball in
the hit-me zone and was taken deep by the power-deprived Winn. The
home run was only Winn's third of the year. 

But the Sox provided Cone with 10 runs of support in his five innings,
and the righthander credited his teammates for the win. 

''[I was] very lucky, very lucky,'' he said. ''The offense won the
game for us tonight. Any time you put your team down, 4-0, after two
innings, you feel pretty lucky when you come back.'' 

''Cone started slow but he finished strong,'' said Red Sox manager
Jimy Williams. ''He kept battling. His control was a little erratic,
but I thought his best inning was his last. He finished on a positive
note. Once he got better command of his pitches, he got in that
strike zone, then he pitched good.'' 

Winn was complimentary toward the veteran as well. 

''He does a great job of mixing up his pitches and keeping you off
balance,'' said Winn. 

susan peters ~ [email protected]

by Michael Silverman
Tuesday, June 26, 2001
http://wwww.bostonherald.com/sport/baseball/cone06262001.htm 

David Cone kept using the words ``lucky'' and ``ugly'' to describe his
effort last night.

He did not say it, but he was also the winner.

"Very lucky, very lucky, no doubt about it. The offense won the game
for us,'' the Red Sox starter said after the 12-8 victory over the
Tampa Bay Devil Rays. "It's also the fifth time in a row where I
started that we've won, so I feel lucky about that.''

Cone improved his record to 3-1 but saw his ERA balloon from 4.50 to
5.08, mostly because of the two home runs he allowed, one a two-run
shot by Greg Vaughn in the first and the other a solo shot by
Randy Winn in the fourth.

Cone struggled with his control most of the night. He walked a
season-high five batters, as many as he walked in his last four starts
combined. He allowed a total of five runs and six hits in his five
innings of work, with four of the runs and five of the hits coming in
the first two innings.

"I had a great warmup, that was probably the best I felt coming in
this year,'' said Cone.

So much for feelings. If not for a stronger finish - one run, one hit
in his last three innings - Cone would have been bounced from the game
way too early to gain a win.

"That big home run by Vaughn really set me back, I couldn't get my
fastball over,'' said Cone, who has now given up 10 home runs in his
eight starts. After those first two innings, however, Cone said he
started to "feel better, I never gave in.''

And neither did manager Jimy Williams, who could have easily given up
on Cone after seeing the Devil Rays build a 4-0 lead after two
innings.

"Coney started slow but finished strong,'' said Williams. "He kept
battling. He had erratic control at first but had a positive ending.''

Asked if he considered ending Cone's night early, Williams did not
hesitate.

"I just felt he was going to get through it,'' said Williams. "He's a
professional. He knows how to pitch.''

Before Winn's home run, Cone had gotten into his one and only groove
of the evening, retiring four of the previous five batters. After
Winn's blow, Cone resumed cruising, walking a batter in the fifth but
escaping with an inning-ending double play.

When Cone left the game after five innings, the Sox held a slim 6-5
lead. By the time the bottom of the fifth was over, the lead was 10-5.

Cone relished the offense's ability to pick him up on a long night,
but he still harbors plans for picking up the team the rest of the
way.

Five team wins in a row and a personal three-game win streak can boost
the self-confidence.

"I feel very close to locking in and being where I want to be,'' Cone
said. "There have been rough spots here and there, but I believe I'm
very close to being the type of pitcher I want to be.''

susan peters ~ [email protected]

awww KC.. sorry to hear about listbot shutting down it's service.

Ally makes a good point about the forum and amount of times one would visit.
The nice thing about the mail group is just that, we are prompted via e-mail
when someone writes the list.  A forum set-up would not allow that feature,
thus the likelihood of forgetting to visit.

Also, as we all know a forum setting can sometimes get a bit nasty ;)  Of
course, the subscribers on this list are top notch and would NEVER stir-up
any trouble, but if we went to a forum setting, who is to say someone
wouldn't join the forum just to write negative things about David just to
get us all angry! I guess the reason why I like this list so much is b/c it
is a members only thing.  I am not saying it should remain "exclusive", but
it is a nice place to be when the "anti-cones" are raising hell on the
forums ;)

As usual, I digress, I guess my vote is to continue using a mail server..
but like the rest of you any form of communication regarding David is fine
with me too ;) KC, it is your site.. so you ultimately get to make the
decision.. you have to keep cost in mind as well!

As for David's performance last night (Susan.. thanks for the articles),
lucky is a great word used to describe the outcome.  He looked pretty bad.
What is it with him and the long ball each time he pitches! UGH!

And, I know there are some Yankee fans out there.. what about TINO! What a
beauty of a homer!!! After reading about his skin cancer scare, it really
should make some (no one in this group of course) think about what they
write about a player on a public forum ;)

Have a great day all~
Laura

Hey Laura, I think you make some good points about what format we
should go with on this list. I think of this place as a haven from the
Coney bashing, and it would be great if we could keep the positive
outlook to our group. Of course ultimately the choice is yours KC, and
you know we'll all support whatever decision you make. I'm sure I
speak for everyone when I say we're grateful for your energy and
dedication in keeping us going - wherever we end up!

I still can't believe we won last night. I was screaming when Tino hit
that blast! Perfect timing for his first PH homer - upper deck shot -
wow! 

What a shock it was to read about his cancer scare this morning. There
have been too many stories like this lately. Let's use this as a
reminder to be careful about the sun this summer, and use plenty of
sunblock!

#1CF
susan peters ~ [email protected]

His best start yet - good to see he wasn't hurt by the longball again
- and I was hoping we'd be in first placce ;-)

IP 6
H 8     
R 2
ER 1
BB 0
SO 3
HR 0
ERA 4.60        
susan peters ~ [email protected]

http://www.geocities.com/coney36_nyy/

Hey everyone!  Thanks for sending the line Susan, I've been keeping tabs
myself.  I am glad also to see he didn't give up any HRs!!  *woohoo*!
Just to let you all know, the page will be updated tomorrow as I have
obligations tonight...

Also, I have been looking into setting up a new mailing list...I am very
glad you all seem to prefer the mailing list way of things, that is my
preference as well!  So I have registered with coolist.com...it seems to
run about the same way as listbot and it's *free*! haha  I will let you
all know when the list is officially set up!

Take care and enjoy the weekend! ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
"Go, David, Go!!"
                        --KC :)

By Gordon Edes, 7/1/2001 

TORONTO - David Cone and Tony Gwynn began their careers in pro ball in
the same year, 1981. Both were drafted in the third round, Cone by the
Kansas City Royals, Gwynn by the San Diego Padres. Cone's first summer
was spent in Fort Myers, Fla., with the rookie league Royals. Gwynn
played in Walla Walla, Wash., in the Northwest League. 

A year later, Gwynn was in the major leagues, and would spend the next
20 seasons with the Padres. On Thursday, Gwynn announced this season
would be his last. Gwynn, like Cal Ripken Jr., another retiree-to-be
come October, has only called one place home since he first put on a
Padres uniform. 

Cone? In his 16th big league season and on his fifth team, two of whom
(the Royals and Blue Jays) saw fit to employ him twice, Cone revealed
he was looking for a place to call home after last night's 7-5 win
over Toronto. 

''I guess it's time to move out of the hotel and get that apartment in
Boston,'' said Cone, who like fellow Sox newcomer Manny Ramirez has
been living in a place where you have to hang a ''Do Not Disturb''
sign on the door. 

''Short-term furnished,'' Cone said when asked where he'll live after
checking out of the Four Seasons, a Ramirez foul ball away from
Manny's digs at the Ritz-Carlton. ''That's a tall order in Boston.'' 

It's one challenge in his big league career he probably figured he
wouldn't get the chance to face when his shoulder betrayed him this
spring, making even a simple game of catch an exercise in pain and
frustration. But since recovering sufficiently to be summoned from
Florida in mid-May, Cone has now made nine starts for the Sox,
including six innings last night in which he allowed one earned run
and received credit for the win. He is now 4-1, matching the total
number of victories he had last season for his previous employer, the
Yankees. 

The last six times he has been given the ball, the Sox have won. With
Pedro Martinez likely to be MIA for at least a month and possibly
longer, that's a comforting development, for both Cone and the Sox. 

''It's a nice change from last year,'' said Cone, who was staked to a
6-0 lead after two innings and walked off the mound with shoulders
thrust back after a perilous bases-loaded situation in the fifth, when
he struck out Raul Mondesi and induced cleanup hitter Carlos Delgado
to fly out harmlessly. 

''It means something to me, considering how tough last year was,''
Cone said. ''It means even more that the team plays well when I
pitch.'' 

Players like Gwynn and Ripken, and before them Yaz, get to be called
civic institutions. 

''I'm the opposite,'' Cone said. ''Guess it's the hired gun again.'' 

No player ever plans it that way, of course. 

Cone, for example, grew up with Royal blue. ''I was the hometown kid
from Kansas City,'' he said. ''I really hoped to have a shot to play
there.'' 

He only had 11 games in the big leagues with the Royals in 1986 - when
he was teammates with Bret Saberhagen, the World Series MVP the year
before at age 21 - when the first trade came, to the Mets. 

''We played good and won with the Mets,'' said Cone, who went 20-3 in
1988 for a Mets team that was only beginning to lose the swagger it
acquired when it beat the Red Sox in the World Series two years
previous. ''I thought that might be the place, too.'' 

He never won fewer than 14 games for the Mets and was having another
good year when the Mets sent him to the Blue Jays in a waiver deal for
Jeff Kent. Cone made seven starts for the Jays down the stretch, and
when he helped pitch them to a World Series title, he picked up the
''hired gun'' tag - especially when he left with the scent of
champagne still in the air and returned home a month later to the
Royals. 

''Going back home again, I thought that might have been it,'' Cone
said. ''But then we had the strike.'' 

The Royals, looking to shed salary, traded Cone back to the Blue Jays
in a deal that included Chris Stynes, who would later become his
teammate in Boston. Another trade, this one to the Yankees, came that
same summer, 1995, and it is with the Yankees that Cone had his
greatest success: four World Series rings and a perfect game. 

But then came the disaster of last season, and when Cone sensed the
Yankees didn't really want him back, he auditioned for Jimy Williams
and Joe Kerrigan one December day in Tampa, and neither side has any
reason to regret what has happened since. 

''I've had a lot of fun here in Boston,'' said the tenant-to-be. 

And unlike Gwynn and Ripken, Cone may yet hold off on those retirement
plans. 

''I'd like to leave that open,'' he said. ''But at the same time, I
pitch every game like it's my last one, because you don't know what's
going to happen.'' 

But enough good things have happened here that's it time to go
apartment hunting. 

susan peters ~ [email protected]

RED SOX 7, BLUE JAYS 5
His 4th win helps Red Sox stay in first

By Bob Hohler, Globe Staff, 7/1/2001 

TORONTO - In a brief, silent interlude last night as the Red Sox
battled the Blue Jays - and tried to protect their fragile lead in the
American League East - a renegade in the SkyDome stands voiced a
notion that David Cone has heard all too often in the twilight
of his career. ''Cone,'' the voice boomed, ''you're all washed up.'' 

Cone was well scrubbed, all right, but only after he showered off the
grime from a sorely needed, six-inning outing that helped the Sox down
the Blue Jays, 7-5, and hold their half-game lead over the Yankees. 

With the beleaguered Sox bullpen aching for a quality start, the
38-year-old Cone delivered, allowing two runs (one earned) by
scattering eight hits and walking none. He improved to 4-1 by dodging
several crises and preventing an opponent from homering for the first
time in nine starts this season. 

The victory gave Cone as many wins as he recorded all last year in his
4-14 ordeal with the Yankees. The Sox are undefeated in his last six
starts. ''It means something to me, considering how tough last year
was,'' Cone said. ''It also means something that the team plays well
when I pitch and that I'm able to hold leads when they give them to
me. That sort of breeds confidence both ways.'' 

The victory, fueled by a 14-hit attack, allowed the Sox to snap a
three-game losing streak and end June 17-11. And two players who have
spent much of the season in the wilderness - Scott Hatteberg and Lou
Merloni - led the way, as each banged out four hits. ''He's on the
upswing, and that's really given everybody else some confidence,''
Hatteberg said of Cone. ''We want to win for him every time he goes
out there because we know how hard he has worked and what a great guy
he is around here.'' 

Manny Ramirez drilled a two-run double in the second inning and Brian
Daubach launched sacrifice flies in the first and second to provide
the crucial pop as the Sox scored all but one of their runs in the
first two innings against Toronto starter Joey Hamilton. 

Merloni, in completing the first four-hit game of his career, knocked
in Darren Lewis in the eighth with the final run. Like Hatteberg, who
has played regularly since Jason Varitek went on the disabled list
June 7 with a broken elbow, Merloni has thrived in feeling needed. 

After being dispatched four times this year to Pawtucket, Merloni
dodged a fifth trip Friday when the injured John Valentin suffered a
setback and scuttled his plans to come off the DL. 

''That makes a big difference for me,'' Merloni said of feeling secure
on the team. ''It's probably the most relaxed I've felt at the plate
since Day One.'' 

As much as the Sox strived to cement the win for Cone, the weary
bullpen came close to giving it away. With the Sox leading 7-2 in the
eighth, Rod Beck let Raul Mondesi swat his first pitch off the face of
the second deck in left field for his 16th homer of the season - and
his third in the last two games against the Sox. 

Beck retired the next three Jays before handing closer Derek Lowe the
7-3 lead in the ninth. And Lowe all but dropped the handoff. He
allowed two runs to score on doubles by rookie Cesar Izturis and Alex
Gonzalez, who drove in three of Toronto's runs. 

Gonzalez's double left runners on second and third with one out and
the two most dangerous Blue Jays - Mondesi and Carlos Delgado - coming
up. After Mondesi flied out to center, manager Jimy Williams chose to
intentionally walk Delgado, just as the Jays had intentionally walked
Ramirez to end a threat in the eighth. Delgado represented the
potential winning run at first base. 

''You just kind of take your chances,'' Williams said, ''and hope it
works out.'' 

It did, as Lowe got Brad Fullmer to ground into an game-ending
fielder's choice. 

''They're a very dangerous club,'' Williams said. ''It was a good win
for us, though a tough one.'' 

The six early runs helped make it possible. And Hatteberg, with hits
from the No. 2 hole in the first two innings, provided a spark, which
helped him shake the sense of feeling left out for so long. 

''Rust forms, and I got rusty,'' Hatteberg said. ''I had to step back
from where I was, and that was incredibly frustrating. In doing so, I
dug myself in a hole.'' 

In digging out, he helped Cone nearly as much as Cone helped himself.
Cone escaped jams in the third and fifth innings, each time by
retiring Mondesi, who had killed the Sox the night before with two
homers, including a grand slam. 

Leading, 6-2, with runners at first and third and one out in the
fifth, Cone got Delgado to fly out and end the inning after he blew an
89-mile-per-hour fastball past Mondesi. ''That really saved the game
for me,'' he said. 

And it made it easier for him to ignore the heckler telling him he was
over the hill. ''I just kind of brush it off at this point,'' Cone
said. ''I just want to be reliable. I want this team to have
confidence when I take the mound. I've been that kind of pitcher my
whole career and I want get back on track this year.'' 

So far, so good. 
susan peters ~ [email protected]

by Jeff Horrigan
Sunday, July 1, 2001
http://wwww.bostonherald.com/sport/baseball/sox07012001.htm 

TORONTO - In just over a month, David Cone has gone from a
shot-in-the-dark to a much-needed shot-in-the-arm.

When he was called up by the Red Sox in mid-May, the team had no idea
if it was getting a washed-up right-hander who had no hope of
rebounding from a dreadful 4-14 record last season for the New York
Yankees or a wily veteran in need of change of venue.

Judging by Cone's work over the past three weeks, the answer appears
to be the latter. He held the Toronto Blue Jays to only one earned run
in six workmanlike innings last night to lead the Sox to a 7-5
victory at SkyDome. Cone struck out three batters, walked none and
stranded five Blue Jays on base, including four in scoring position.

The win allowed Boston to avoid losing four consecutive games for the
first time since last Aug. 5-8 and remain in first place in the
American League East by just a slim half-game over Cone's former team,
the Yankees. The victory also ended a four-game slide against the
Jays, who swept three games at Fenway Park last weekend.

The Sox won for the sixth straight time in a game started by Cone. On
an individual basis, the 38-year-old improved to 4-1 in 2001, tying
his total number of wins for all of last season. Cone is 4-0 with
a 3.68 ERA in his last five starts. 

``This matches my win total for last year and that definitely crossed
my mind,'' Cone said. ``Wins are hard to come by, so no matter how you
get them, you appreciate them.''

Cone, however, is not content.

``I think I can get better,'' Cone said. ``I'd like to get deeper in
games and be more efficient. I don't want to be a five- or six-inning
pitcher. I'd like to get seven or eight innings on the board. This
team needs its starters to pitch innings at this point, with Pedro
(Martinez, who is on the 15-day disabled list) out.''

Cone was handed a 6-0 lead after two innings, thanks in part to the
outstanding performances of Lou Merloni and Scott Hatteberg, who
finished with four hits apiece. It was the first four-hit game of
Merloni's career.

``Cone's been so valuable for us with Pedro and so many others going
down,'' Merloni said. ``He's been exactly what we've needed.''

The only downers were the Sox' lack of consistent production in the
clutch and a messy ninth inning by closer Derek Lowe.

The Sox went 4-for-18 with runners in scoring position and stranded 16
runners, the most in the majors this season in a nine-inning game.
Lowe allowed two runs on four hits in the ninth before getting Brad
Fullmer to ground out with the bases loaded to end the game.

Boston hammered Blue Jays starter Joey Hamilton, who gave up six runs
on five hits and three walks in only 1 innings. The burly right-hander
allowed 10 of the 12 batters he faced to reach base. Trot Nixon's
RBI single and Brian Daubach's sacrifice fly gave the Sox a 2-0 lead
in the first.

Hamilton never made it out of the second inning. Singles by Merloni,
Doug Mirabelli and Hatteberg (the DH drove in Merloni with his second
hit in as many innings) made it 3-0 and Toronto manager Buck
Martinez had seen enough of Hamilton when Nixon drew a one-out walk to
load the bases.

Manny Ramirez then jumped on reliever Kelvim Escobar's second offering
and lined it to left field for a two-run double. Daubach followed with
his second sacrifice fly to account for the 6-0 lead.

Merloni's RBI single in the eighth closed out the scoring for the Sox.

susan peters ~ [email protected]

http://www.geocities.com/coney36_nyy/

Hi everyone!  I hope you all had a nice 4th of July...Cone did okay
tonight, gave up another homerun though!  That seemed to be his only bad
mistake...but he had 6 strikeouts, so that's good! :)  Anyways, the front
page has been updated...

Have a good week and enjoy the All-Star game!  Take care! ~ ~ ~ ~ 
                            --KC :)

Thanks KC :)

I have to say as a Yankee fan ;) David was pretty
lucky to have won that game last night!  Damn that
Rocker.. once I knew David wouldn't get the L or the W
I was really hoping Cleveland would come back and win
the game in the 9th!

Although, I still feel David made the wrong choice
going to the enemy ;) I have to say they certainly are
giving him the run support.

Hope everyone has a great weekend
Laura

Hey, I just wanted to let you guys know I'm going to the game tomorrow 
night!!!  I am SO excited to be seeing David pitch, I don't think I'll sleep 
a wink tonight!!  I'm going to bring my digital camera, and I'll try to get 
some nice pictures to show you guys.  We'll be in the field level, but in the 
back part.  I'm also going to wait for him after the game and see if I can 
get him to autograph my book.   

Melanie

Hey All!

Melanie- Have a great time and thanks(in advance) for
taking pictures!  I hope you can take some good ones
and by all means do share (even if you think they
didn't turn out to your liking);)

I am going to try to go to next week's games when they
play in Chicago.  It will be strange.  I have never
gone to a red sox game before.  David is not scheduled
to pitch on any of the days they will be here, but I
thought I'd go anyway. Since he's  not pitching, I can
root for my husband's white sox. ;)

BTW, Melanie.. you are a stronger gal than I'll ever
be.. I don't know if I could approach him and ask him
to autograph anything!  Let us know how it goes!!!!

Have a great weekend everyone!
Laura

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