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Wee Leng Lee > hi everyone, today our group are presenting the topic on 'places' for vc?
MICHAEL has entered. [ 03:16:56 PM ]
Wee Leng Lee > let us introduce ourselves first this is?
Wee Leng Lee > im wee leng
June Ling S'ng > juneling!!!!
Li Ying Lim > I'm Li Ying
KING LAM > King Lam
Jessie Lim > halo all!!
YINWAN CHIN > yin wan
Wei Yoke Tan > I'm Wi Yoke
Wee Leng Lee > n we hope all of u will give us full support n participation 4 our presentation? thank u?.
YINWAN CHIN > halooo
Wei Yoke Tan > I mean Wei Yoke
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Wee Leng Lee > before we start off? i'll outline what we are going to cover today?
DARYL ONG > adam/bob/skye....will there be any workshops next week???
Wee Leng Lee > they include a brief intro for the topic
SANGJUN PARK has entered. [ 03:17:55 PM ]
Wee Leng Lee > vc's charactertistic?
Bob Lin > yup
Wee Leng Lee > cmc
ADAM MA > shjould be
Wee Leng Lee > acmc, scmc?. and collaborative
DARYL ONG > i thought it was the vice chancelor week rite?
SANGJUN PARK > hi
KING LAM > no, the week after
Bob Lin > nah after that
June Ling S'ng > is everyone, ok?
DARYL ONG > oh rite...thanks
Bob Lin > umm the slides dont show
Li Ying Lim > hi, Daryl the presentation is on now
EMMA MACDONALD > has anyone elses slides disappeared??
ADAM MA > i can see slides
Skye Neilson > Guys, class ... listen .... if ur on dial up, it can be slow
Fang Han Lim > uh huh
June Ling S'ng > can everyone c the slides?
EMMA MACDONALD > i'm at uni
Bob Lin > im on adsl but still dun show ar
Jennifer TRAN > yes
Peter Leijdekkers has entered. [ 03:19:09 PM ]
KING LAM > no
ADAM MA > are we up to "outline"?
SANGJUN PARK > who are presentors?
Jessie Lim > yup
Wee Leng Lee > yup..we are up to outline
WIDYA LUHUR > i'm dial up, but i can see the slide ok
Daniel Lim > go on
Ian Choo > where are the presenters...at uni?
Wee Leng Lee > yup...
June Ling S'ng > at uni... lab...
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ADAM MA > are we up to "outline" slides?
June Ling S'ng > shall we proceed???
June Ling S'ng > yes....
Bob Lin has left. [ 03:19:59 PM ]
Li Ying Lim > yupe.. outline slidesHEIDI MOYA > please
ADAM MA > ok
KING LAM > yes
KING LAM > pls
Daniel Lim > yEss
Wee Leng Lee > can we move on now?
Daniel Lim > Yes
KING LAM > yes
Jessie Lim > yes plz
Bob Lin has entered. [ 03:20:16 PM ]
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Wee Leng Lee > to start off? we'll define the definition for places?. which goes?
ADAM MA > haha *bong* for bob
Wee Leng Lee > a particular portion or space occupied by people or thing
Wei Yoke Tan > Hi, valerie ...
Wee Leng Lee > and vc is defined as? people who exchange word and ideas thru the net
Jessie Lim > icccc
Wee Leng Lee > or? if u still recall? it's like pornography? u know it when u see it
Daniel Lim > Yes
LoNG Nguyen has entered. [ 03:21:01 PM ]
SANGJUN PARK > we knew already
Daniel Lim > i recall that
Bob Lin > ahuh
Don Le has entered. [ 03:21:06 PM ]
Wee Leng Lee > so.. we came up with the definition for places for vc as
LoNG Nguyen > hello all i'm here
RICHARD NIM has entered. [ 03:21:10 PM ]
Daniel Lim > it was from our presentation
Jessie Lim > yea...we present tat last week though:P
ANAMUR TRAN has entered. [ 03:21:14 PM ]
KING LAM > hi long
SANGJUN PARK > why repeated again?
Daniel Lim > dont steal our ideas
Wee Leng Lee > people who exchange ideas thru the net
LoNG Nguyen > lol
Leanne mok > i think porn will be a contiuning theme
June Ling S'ng > just to refresh u all...
Li Ying Lim > just to refresh
SANGJUN PARK > ic
Jessie Lim > k
LoNG Nguyen > i see
Daniel Lim > good to see u remember that
Wee Leng Lee > ok.. let's move on?
Wei Yoke Tan > thank you
Tin-Yan Louey > copy and pste
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ANAMUR TRAN > Long. Repeat what has been said. :)
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June Ling S'ng > please dun play with the slides... thank you...
LoNG Nguyen > yeah anamur!
Wee Leng Lee > these are the few characteristics we've listed for vc?
Skye Neilson > A moral voice?
Wee Leng Lee > like sharing interest, values, interactive info exchange? etc
ANAMUR TRAN > cmon. help me catch up :D
Bob Lin > what do you mean by moral voice?
Jessie Lim > yea...wat
Jessie Lim > s moral voice??
KING LAM > scroll up anamar
Jennifer TRAN > yeah can u please explain the moral voice part?
SANGJUN PARK > what is caring and nurturing discourse mean that?
LoNG Nguyen > discourse?
ANAMUR TRAN > there's too much king
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RICHARD NIM > caring?
SANGJUN PARK > no idea
Jessie Lim > ......
Skye Neilson > I don't get it (a moral voice) ... a virtual community can be immoral (such as kiddie porn rings) ....
LoNG Nguyen > we just started guys
ADAM MA > truw true skye
Wee Leng Lee > moral voice is a positive side of communicating
Don Le > who are the moderators?
Bob Lin > haha yeah VC for adults only
Jennifer TRAN > eww..why mention kiddie porn rings?
LoNG Nguyen > lol
June Ling S'ng > well.... there is alway good n bad things about vc....
KING LAM > King Lam
Skye Neilson > To make a point
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June Ling S'ng > it just depend on whether u wan to abuse it....
SANGJUN PARK > what about negative side?
LoNG Nguyen > hi jennifer
Jennifer TRAN > hi Long, pay attention *frowns* =)
Fang Han Lim > hmm.. are all the characteristics relevant?
LoNG Nguyen > LoNG Nguyen
Wee Leng Lee > yes
SANGJUN PARK > relevavnt to places??
Skye Neilson > Communities can't always be defined by positive attributes
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RICHARD NIM > yehh i tend to agree with skye
Fang Han Lim > yea.. agreed.. there are negative aspects to communities
ADAM MA > do they have to have ALL those attributes?
Leanne mok > i agree
June Ling S'ng > well we r just doing a intro on vc as starters....
ANTHONY NGUYEN > me too
LoNG Nguyen > yeah
KING LAM > me too
EMMA MACDONALD has entered. [ 03:25:04 PM ]
Bob Lin > yeah thats why there are moderators
Li Ying Lim > not neccessary having all those characteristics
LoNG Nguyen > they can be off topic
SANGJUN PARK > what is caring and nurturing discourse mean?
Valerie Gay has left. [ 03:25:20 PM ]
RICHARD NIM > can i ask who the moderators are?
Daniel Lim > it means that u are caring
June Ling S'ng > for people to care more about the society....
ANAMUR TRAN > i'd like to know to
SANGJUN PARK > what???
ADAM MA > valerie left
LoNG Nguyen > moderators raise your hands
June Ling S'ng > here!!!!
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Daniel Lim > i dont think dere in here
Bob Lin > theyre behind you
Li Ying Lim > wee leng.. juneling.. li ying.. wei yoke. and yin wan are moderators
LoNG Nguyen > valerie already gave you mark thats why she left
ANAMUR TRAN > Can the mods rename themelves or someting?
KING LAM > you're slack long
ADAM MA > haha long
LoNG Nguyen > lol
DARYL ONG > valerie had enough
Bob Lin > yeah kinda dunno who
Don Le > i thought the moderators had a word moderator next to their names?
Skye Neilson > Far out ... ask valerie. C'mon guys, I want to know what you mean by moral discourse
Li Ying Lim > oopss.. is that a good news or bad?
SUYANTO FONG > sorry i was late
Bob Lin > yeah moral!
Leanne mok > i think the modertors should change their names
SANGJUN PARK > do be late
Jessie Lim > yea
Jessie Lim > juz like wat we did last week:P
Peter Leijdekkers > Hi guys keep going i am the tutor of this group nd will monitor this one
Daniel Lim > wat is moral discourse s
Daniel Lim > the mods are soo quiet
LoNG Nguyen > yeah com on there's still time
KING LAM > they are shy
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Skye Neilson > I mean, moral voice
LoNG Nguyen > only the begining, we'll give you a chance to redeem yourselves
Jessie Lim > think they r trying to type out something...:P
Daniel Lim > copy and paste
LoNG Nguyen > yeah like last week
Ian Choo > the slides aint moving
SANGJUN PARK > what?
Daniel Lim > hahahaha
Jessie Lim > (they arent using "copy n paste":P)
Jennifer TRAN > can one of the moderators explain what the mean by moral voice?
KING LAM > hahha
Ian Choo > must have lost the document
Fang Han Lim > moral voice?
Jessie Lim > we r smart to use copy n paste though!!
Bob Lin > speaking of somehting humane?
LoNG Nguyen > where are they?
Bob Lin > haha
Daniel Lim > they have nothing to copy and paste :P
Li Ying Lim > hmm...
SUYANTO FONG > ?
LoNG Nguyen > erm .... seems awfully unmoderated in here......
KING LAM > use ctrl+C then ctrl+v
Jessie Lim > r we still on the topic?
Wei Yoke Tan > moral voices that ought to be heeded in a society that increasingly threatens to become normless, self-centered, and driven by greed, special interests, and an unabashed quest for power.
Daniel Lim > Cmon mods
Daniel Lim > Continue
Jessie Lim > or a free chats here:PLOL
Skye Neilson > How is that a characteristic of a vc?
SANGJUN PARK > some explanations are hard to understand to me
Skye Neilson > I'm sorry, but I disagree ...
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LoNG Nguyen > hi donna
June Ling S'ng > it suppose to let ppl to care more for the socitey...
Daniel Lim > change ur nick donna
KING LAM > sup donna
Leanne mok > hey donna u got in
LoNG Nguyen > moderator
Jessie Lim > donna...change ur name!!
Daniel Lim > ur not a mod anymore
ADAM MA > haha
Jessie Lim > yea!!it's passed:PLOL
LoNG Nguyen > lol
donna ngeow > lol yes yes guve ne 2 seconds!
June Ling S'ng > not to like abuse the use of vc communication tools...
LoNG Nguyen > LOL!
Bob Lin > but a VC dun let ppl care more about society
Wee Leng Lee > is is where a place to bring out the public voice
ADAM MA > so moral voice is something which real life community thinks is morally correct??
Bob Lin > kiddy porn like skye said doesnt!
RICHARD NIM > does a virtual community have to have a moral voice?
Daniel Lim > but a vc Makes another society
donna ngeow > testing
LoNG Nguyen > oh ok
donna ngeow > oop
Fang Han Lim > yea it does..
Wei Yoke Tan > could b say so
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KING LAM > HURRY UP
RICHARD NIM > cant u have a virtual community of footballers?
Wee Leng Lee > Its unique focus will combine expertise in the fields of high technology law, public policy and consumer rights.
KING LAM > wtf?
Fang Han Lim > rather.. a VC should have a moral voice
RICHARD NIM > who have a common interest in the sport?
ANTHONY NGUYEN > can someone explain wot u mean by moral voice?
donna ngeow has entered. [ 03:29:44 PM ]
Daniel Lim > such as
Don Le > i dun think so Richard..not all vc have to have a moral voice
Skye Neilson > A group of people ... anarchists (for example), have one purpose to create chaos, they meet online (fulfilling def of vc) .... it doesn't make their group moral ....
Leanne mok > hey donna hwere are u?
Daniel Lim > wat is this moral voice
LoNG Nguyen > so a moral voice is like their voice
Jessie Lim > she's changing her name:P
Wee Leng Lee > is a place to bring out your voice
LoNG Nguyen > like the song by john farnham - you
LoNG Nguyen > youre' the voice?
Wee Leng Lee > and to share and discuss with each other
KING LAM > wtf you on about long?
Bob Lin > haha someone wants to know moral voice!
June Ling S'ng > stop drawing on the slides pls....
LoNG Nguyen > is it like the voice of the community?
Wei Yoke Tan has left. [ 03:30:31 PM ]
Wee Leng Lee > yup..kind of
Li Ying Lim has left. [ 03:30:40 PM ]
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ADAM MA > the slides have dissappeared
Jessie Lim > it's blank
SANGJUN PARK > so how impact this definition to be related to main topic which is place?
Ian Choo > this slide is very clean
Bob Lin > no slideS!
Wei Yoke Tan has entered. [ 03:30:47 PM ]
DARYL ONG > that's a good slide
ANTHONY NGUYEN >
LoNG Nguyen > ?
donna ngeow > hello everyone sorry i'm late
Daniel Lim > do u guys as mods KNOW WAt your doing ?
DARYL ONG > pure in colour
Jessie Lim > haha...there'r trying to change their named:P
Skye Neilson > Yeh, we understand this one
Daniel Lim > tsk tsk
ADAM MA > hahah
Li Ying Lim has left. [ 03:31:09 PM ]
KING LAM > gosh they are so un prepared
donna ngeow > what's happening? what did I miss?
Jennifer TRAN > what happened to the slides?
Daniel Lim > i know
Jessie Lim > where's the slides goeS?
LoNG Nguyen > cut them some slack
Peter Leijdekkers > Guys can you pls put back the slides?
Skye Neilson > They left to get their names altered.
LoNG Nguyen > i feel sorry for them
KING LAM > they starting all over again
RICHARD NIM > give them a chance...
SANGJUN PARK > u r sorry
Bob Lin > yeah
ADAM MA > for the miderators : you can just to to WHITEBOARD and go to "CLEAR LAyer"
Skye Neilson > Same, but I still want to know about moral voice
Daniel Lim > fine fine
LoNG Nguyen > slow it down guys
Don Le > yeah ease up on them =p
Wee Leng Lee > pls dont play with slides
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donna ngeow > did I miss much peoples?
Wee Leng Lee > thanks
KING LAM > yeah long, ease on them
Jennifer TRAN > no donna
Tin-Yan Louey > nope donna
Daniel Lim > nope
Jessie Lim > nop donna....
Leanne mok > yeah donna u better read later
SUYANTO FONG > shush!
Ian Choo > dont worry bout moral voice....any voice will do at this stage
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KING LAM > this is so bad
KING LAM > i don't believe
Jessie Lim > think they got to starts over again...
SANGJUN PARK > hum
LoNG Nguyen > patience
SANGJUN PARK > unorganise
HEIDI MOYA > oh well...........
Jessie Lim > we r still on MORAL VOICE:pLOL
KING LAM > why bs for long
Leanne mok > lalal alal lala
Li Ying Lim > sorry for that
LoNG Nguyen > no worries
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SANGJUN PARK > waste time
EMMA MACDONALD > by moral voice i think they mean that there needs to be an environment that is racist or sexist etc so that people can't get offended
Jessie Lim > hahaa...wat's u singing leanne:P
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LoNG Nguyen > oh ok
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SANGJUN PARK > from the begining?
LoNG Nguyen > any morals?
Wei Yoke Tan > America's diverse communities of memory and mutual aid are rich resources of moral voices
Bob Lin > so like a standard for a VC then?
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Wee Leng Lee > ok, we are back
LoNG Nguyen > welcome
LoNG Nguyen > much better
HEIDI MOYA > computer media communication
Wee Leng Lee > does anyone know what is cmc???
Leanne mok > who do u consider to have moral voices????????????
Skye Neilson > so they internalise the meaning of "moral" ... what is "moral" to the group ... not to outsiders
RICHARD NIM > can u explain that last line wei yoke?
Bob Lin > computer mediated communicatoin?
KING LAM > computer media communication
LoNG Nguyen > nope
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ANTHONY NGUYEN > computer mediated communication
EMMA MACDONALD > what is moral to society
LoNG Nguyen > cool
Wee Leng Lee > yup..u are right.
Don Le > computer media communication
Fang Han Lim > theres ACMC and SCMC
SANGJUN PARK > computer mediate communication
Jessie Lim > wat's the meanin' of cmc?
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LoNG Nguyen > cool
Wee Leng Lee > cmc is a human communication via net
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Wee Leng Lee > it emphasis on interaction between people with computer
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Wee Leng Lee > it normally focus on text based communication
Skye Neilson > you ppl need to do the readings
LoNG Nguyen > yep i understand
Bob Lin > hehe
Wee Leng Lee > of course? in today's advance technology? its moving towards audio n visual based communication too
Wee Leng Lee > cmc software basically have 3 modes
donna ngeow > ok
KING LAM > yella
SANGJUN PARK > do u know TMC?
Wee Leng Lee > which are acmc, scmc? and collaborative
Jessie Lim > ic
Daniel Lim > yes
LoNG Nguyen > nope
Bob Lin > a is asynch
Bob Lin > b is sync
Wee Leng Lee > do u know what is the advantages and disadvantages of CMC???
Daniel Lim > and wats collaborative mean
Leanne mok > wat is TMC?
SANGJUN PARK > telephone mediated communication
Jessie Lim > ooooooooo
June Ling S'ng > we will go to collaborative later on....
SANGJUN PARK > human communication via telephone
Bob Lin > so which one is TMC catagorised in then?
Leanne mok > cmc=easy access most of the time
LoNG Nguyen > whats the disadv?
Wei Yoke Tan > advantages of CMC " Learner focused
SANGJUN PARK > i created it
Jennifer TRAN > one disadvantage of CMC is that you don't get to see the facial expressions of the other when communicating
KING LAM > sick~
Wei Yoke Tan > " Classroom is open 24 hours a day.
SANGJUN PARK > r u sure?
LoNG Nguyen > classroom?
Wei Yoke Tan > " Ability to provide quick feedback to students at a distance
Ian Choo > huh?
KING LAM > classroom?
Skye Neilson > asynch wouldn't it be?
June Ling S'ng > virtual classroom..
DARYL ONG > u mean like wat we are doing now?
Wei Yoke Tan > " From anywhere in the world without expensive travel costs and inconvenience
Jessie Lim > oo.ok
June Ling S'ng > yes...
LoNG Nguyen > ok
Daniel Lim > umm distance education
KING LAM > true
Fang Han Lim > something like that
LoNG Nguyen > oh aight
Wei Yoke Tan > " Freedom from time and place constraints
SANGJUN PARK > but ppl need internet connection
Wei Yoke Tan > " Students have time to reflect before responding
Jennifer TRAN > I agree, CMC provides a lot of flexibility for communication between ourselves
Li Ying Lim > disadvantages of CMC are information overload .. lack of immediate feedack.. and many more
ADAM MA > what about writing letters?
Bob Lin > but if the teacher is lazy n dun reply whats the pt
June Ling S'ng > yes.... but there is wireless today....
SANGJUN PARK > whithout internet connection it is just nothing
Jessie Lim > yea////dont need a lec room a nymore:P
DARYL ONG > bob's rite
Skye Neilson > haha
Daniel Lim > yeh
Li Ying Lim > it also needs more administrative time
Bob Lin > haha thanx dalry
Wei Yoke Tan > yeah...this is the disadvantage of CMC
Wee Leng Lee > yes..maybe one day no lecture hall
EMMA MACDONALD > but how effective if learning this way
KING LAM > that's how we get employed
SANGJUN PARK > wireless also one of internet connection
Wee Leng Lee > yup
Wei Yoke Tan > yeah
Don Le > not very effective =p
KING LAM > of course
Jessie Lim > the unemployment rate wil b increase:P
Li Ying Lim > well. no lecture hall.. but it could be a mess having online lecture also. hehe
Skye Neilson > I agree Emma, for example, I'm reallly lost and confused now .... did we just miss a few slides?
DARYL ONG > if this is the case...why don't lectures be all held online?
June Ling S'ng > well u can't have everything good n have nothing bad, right???
Jessie Lim > yea like wat v hving it rite nowLOL
Fang Han Lim > because it would mean low attendance
June Ling S'ng > there is pros n cons in everything...
RICHARD NIM > i dont think it would ever be possible for CMC to completely replace physical communication...
Wee Leng Lee > yup..enemployment rate will raise.
Jessie Lim > i think ther
Jennifer TRAN > i think it depends on the success of the individuals learning abilities as to how they use their resources
KING LAM > you're right nim
Bob Lin > yeah everyone would be sitting infront of comp all day
donna ngeow > of course not. it would never fully replace
LoNG Nguyen > yeah nim
KING LAM > you're right as well jennifer
SANGJUN PARK > not really
June Ling S'ng > u need to have a lot of self motivation in self learning...
Daniel Lim > it depends on the current environment
EMMA MACDONALD > its also pretty antisocial
SANGJUN PARK > headacq
Jessie Lim > blind
KING LAM > environment??
ADAM MA > you can probably only have a set number of participants in order for CMC to be efficient and effective
Daniel Lim > and social conditions
Li Ying Lim > ok.. it seems everyone knows the pros n cons
Daniel Lim > economic environment
Bob Lin > yeah its moving too quuick!
Li Ying Lim > lets move on
KING LAM > next
LoNG Nguyen > haha
LoNG Nguyen > go go go!
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Don Le > i fink ppl would use CMC if they have no other choice.
Wee Leng Lee > ok..move on
KING LAM > team fall back
LoNG Nguyen > hahahaa
Wee Leng Lee > first we will talk about acmc
Skye Neilson > But there is always another choice ..... CMC isn't a natural progression
SANGJUN PARK > i know what is synchronous CMC
Wee Leng Lee > it's a communication over a period of time
Jessie Lim > wat's a list server?
Jennifer TRAN > what do you mean by a natural progression skye?
Wee Leng Lee > in other sense? acmc tools allow more flexibility in accessing n sending messages? compared to scmc tools
June Ling S'ng > list server is a email list for groups...
June Ling S'ng > we will cover that later...
donna ngeow > hey guess I can't see the slides is that just me?
SANGJUN PARK > it should be same time to communicate with others
Jessie Lim > ccccc
Wee Leng Lee > they could access and reponse to the messages whenever they like
Jessie Lim > yea donna
Wee Leng Lee > a few types of acmc tools are listed above
RICHARD NIM > basically we weren't born to communicate via a machine...
Skye Neilson > It's not a natural instinct to sit in front of the computer and interact. It's more natural to interact face to face, with complete understanding and intuition
SANGJUN PARK > as like cahtting
KING LAM > i don't think its used anymore
Jessie Lim > wher r u >donna
SANGJUN PARK > chatting
LoNG Nguyen > it's like final fantasy games... it's turn based. you can only attack when it's your turn
Wee Leng Lee > which consist of email, listserver, bulletin board system, computer conferencing, newsgroup, and voice mail
donna ngeow > internet cafe
KING LAM > that's right nim
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KING LAM > we won't born to communicate via machines!
June Ling S'ng > moving on....
Wee Leng Lee > moving on? we have email
RICHARD NIM > for shizzie my nizzie...
Jennifer TRAN > true King
Wee Leng Lee > i don't think anyone is unfamiliar with email
ANTHONY NGUYEN > we're becoming more dependent on machines though..
Daniel Lim > yes
LoNG Nguyen > we are becoming machines
Wee Leng Lee > it's an electronic mail box that let's us send n receive messages? usually in text or multimedia data files
Bob Lin > yeah
Daniel Lim > yes
SANGJUN PARK > what about wrong addressesssss
Daniel Lim > u are a machine
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donna ngeow > someone's been watching too much Matrix
Wee Leng Lee > it's a fast n worldwide communication tools
LoNG Nguyen > terminators
Daniel Lim > LOL
ADAM MA > haha
Bob Lin > haha
Don Le > it will lead to our downfall like in the terminator
June Ling S'ng > pls.............
KING LAM > hahhaha
Wee Leng Lee > because it's online? its 24hrs accessible? n it's FREE
Fang Han Lim > this is getting outta hand! :P
Wee Leng Lee > however, u can get a lot of junk mail n the risk of getting virus transmission
June Ling S'ng > don;t be out of tupic...
SANGJUN PARK > it is not free
Wee Leng Lee > well, everything comes with a price, doesn't it???
LoNG Nguyen > yeah
SANGJUN PARK > u pay for internet connection fee
donna ngeow > isp charges etc
LoNG Nguyen > it's not free at all
Jessie Lim > nop air wont:PLO
Li Ying Lim > but the email is free
LoNG Nguyen > esp for telstra
ANTHONY NGUYEN > some things have membership fees too
Leanne mok > i reckon teh can be heaps slow no matter what u using
Bob Lin > yeah n junks
Wee Leng Lee > i mean the Email is a free service
SANGJUN PARK > nop
LoNG Nguyen > thats true
Wee Leng Lee > we can get it from yahoo or msn...
KING LAM > but its limited in size
Daniel Lim > why would u pay if u can get it for free
donna ngeow > yup, but even then half the time advertising is what makes it free
Wee Leng Lee > without a charge
LoNG Nguyen > but to a certain limit
Jessie Lim > but we hv to pay for getting a larger quotas.....
LoNG Nguyen > thats why they spam you
Wei Yoke Tan > but email can attact a big file, this will be better is compare with traditional way which is post mail
June Ling S'ng > u just pay for the internet connection...
KING LAM > probalby be like 5mb max for a private a/c
LoNG Nguyen > so you can pay for better email service
SANGJUN PARK > nothing for free
Wee Leng Lee > but if u ask for a more storage email....of course it will be charged
Jennifer TRAN > i reckon emails da best! can u imagine going back to envelope and stamp? bleh =P
Leanne mok > so emails restrict attachments
Skye Neilson > But use of email can also be inappropriate at times ....
KING LAM > yeah i reckon jennifer
LoNG Nguyen > true
Daniel Lim > yep
Li Ying Lim > no more snail mail..
Daniel Lim > wat bout sms
KING LAM > i never have to walk to the posties again
ADAM MA > email cant send like objects
LoNG Nguyen > you cant send products via email
ADAM MA > like bobms or something :P
donna ngeow > yup for sure. emoticons can't always get the tone of what you're trying to say through in addition to the plain text
LoNG Nguyen > and hand crafted love letters
June Ling S'ng > going to list servers..... ok?
Daniel Lim > tur
Daniel Lim > true
Bob Lin > how?
Jessie Lim > sms is too short to write a letter>daniel..:P
Wee Leng Lee > it's an email list where everyone can contact with each other on the list?
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LoNG Nguyen > go go go
KING LAM > yella
Wee Leng Lee > it's a group mailing list? good to reach out to groups of people with common interest
EMMA MACDONALD > u just can't send physical stuff
donna ngeow > so write one email, goes out to heaps of people?
Leanne mok > express post
Wee Leng Lee > like email? it could flood your electronic mailbox easily
June Ling S'ng > yup...
Skye Neilson > Email regret ... lol
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Daniel Lim > emial bomb
KING LAM > what's your emmail wee?
LoNG Nguyen > woah
ADAM MA > email saves the costs of a postman
Wee Leng Lee > y?
donna ngeow > but like on yahoo egroups you can specify that you don't want to subscribe to each email, only a summary of the threads that have been made during the day
SANGJUN PARK > list sever is synchronise
Daniel Lim > yeh true
LoNG Nguyen > yeah but puts him out of a job
ADAM MA > haha true long
Daniel Lim > its like that for most things donna
KING LAM > youre pain is my happiness wee
June Ling S'ng > moving on......
Don Le > is list servers synchronous?
LoNG Nguyen > moving
Wee Leng Lee > moving on? bbs
Wei Yoke Tan > pay attention pls
Bob Lin > asyn
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Don Le > ok
Wee Leng Lee > bbs is a moderated discussion board
LoNG Nguyen > this would be like the start page right?
Daniel Lim > uh huh
Wee Leng Lee > it's a accessible electronic discussion forum in the world wide web
Daniel Lim > thats a portal
KING LAM > start page is actually a portal long
LoNG Nguyen > oh ok
LoNG Nguyen > damn
Daniel Lim > haha
Wee Leng Lee > if you don't know what a bbs is? our UTS discussion board is one of the examples
KING LAM > idiot
donna ngeow > it's not always moderated right?
LoNG Nguyen > thanks
LoNG Nguyen > fag
Wee Leng Lee > it good for keeping track of discussion n for people to share ideas n interests
KING LAM > don't start me
SANGJUN PARK > BBC?
SANGJUN PARK > BBS?
SANGJUN PARK > what is it?
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Wee Leng Lee > and? erm? its not quite available offline? n sometimes.. it takes time 4 people to reply your posted questions, right?
June Ling S'ng > bulletin board system...
Don Le > bullentin board system
Bob Lin > bulletin board system
SANGJUN PARK > ic
Wee Leng Lee > n the topic might be out dated by then? agree???
KING LAM > agree
ADAM MA > yea
Don Le > agree
Bob Lin > yeah
RICHARD NIM > i concur
donna ngeow > depends on how active the BBS is
YINWAN CHIN > yup
Jennifer TRAN > *nods*
LoNG Nguyen > definitely
Don Le > i concur
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June Ling S'ng > u got a point...
Daniel Lim > yeh
LoNG Nguyen > you can say that again
Daniel Lim > go on
Bob Lin > yeah if its a bad topic
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Wee Leng Lee > it's a form of electronic communication where people type messages to each other? more or less like bbs
Wee Leng Lee > one example of computer conferencing is microsoft outlook
Jessie Lim > juz like email?
Daniel Lim > wat are other examples other den outlook
Leanne mok > did u mena like wat we are doing now??
KING LAM > need same software? its an email?
Bob Lin > isnt that email?
LoNG Nguyen > readingthe description it sounds like SMS's
RICHARD NIM > isnt that emailing?
Wee Leng Lee > the advantages of computer conferencing is
Don Le > thats what i thought?
Wee Leng Lee > it's flexibility of meeting?. but it enquires people to share the same software
Leanne mok > like a phone conference?
KING LAM > how can you conference with outlook???
ANAMUR TRAN > netmeetin maybe?
Skye Neilson > Umm .. I don't get it
SANGJUN PARK > what difference between BBS and computer conferencing?
Don Le > netmeeting?
Daniel Lim > outlooks is kinda vague
KING LAM > i'm confused
June Ling S'ng > it has that function on outlook,,,
ADAM MA > i thought outlook was email?
KING LAM > serious? via what?
Daniel Lim > who uses OUTLOOK
KING LAM > yeah same
Bob Lin > sames
Jessie Lim > ccc...
LoNG Nguyen > yeah same
Wee Leng Lee > before moving on? does anyone knows the difference of bbs n computer conferencing
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ANAMUR TRAN > microsoft netmeeting
KING LAM > at most it will only be an organiser
Don Le > ohh. outlook has a video conferencing option
Jennifer TRAN > huh? so computer conferencing = email???
LoNG Nguyen > nope
Leanne mok > i used outlokk didnt know it could conference
KING LAM > nah, that's net meeting
LoNG Nguyen > please explain
SANGJUN PARK > yes
Daniel Lim > nope
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Daniel Lim > explain plz
Bob Lin > n voice too?
SANGJUN PARK > i did
KING LAM > you only said yes
Jessie Lim > video conferencing?:P
June Ling S'ng > no....
Don Le > wats a moral voice =p
Skye Neilson > I don't use outlook ... I don't get it.
ADAM MA > man the chat window and the slides keep flickering, im gunna have an epileptic fit soon
June Ling S'ng > it's mixture of bbs n email,...
SANGJUN PARK > difference between BBS and computer conferencing
ANTHONY NGUYEN > i thought outlook is just for emails
Daniel Lim > thats too bad adam
Ian Choo > seizure time
LoNG Nguyen > i know
ADAM MA > haha
Tin-Yan Louey > look away from the screen adam
Skye Neilson > I think we need a better example
KING LAM > i thought outlook was only for emails
Bob Lin > haha
Bob Lin > isnt netmeeting on msn?
donna ngeow > same here??
Leanne mok > someone save adam
KING LAM > kind of
ADAM MA > haha
KING LAM > but its dodgy
June Ling S'ng > pls pls...... be on topic....
ADAM MA > must... contributee!!!....................
Wee Leng Lee > before moving on? does anyone knows the difference of bbs n computer conferencing???
SANGJUN PARK > outlook is e-mail isn't it
Tin-Yan Louey > on topic!!!
Skye Neilson > Can you give us a better example? Please?
June Ling S'ng > yes...
LoNG Nguyen > you havent explained it yet
Jennifer TRAN > NO!
Fang Han Lim > bbs is the old method...
Daniel Lim > NO We dont no
LoNG Nguyen > the difference!
Fang Han Lim > bulletin board service
Bob Lin > bbs is async
LoNG Nguyen > ES!
LoNG Nguyen > YES!
KING LAM > what is outlook doing there
LoNG Nguyen > YES YES YES!
Bob Lin > n conferecing is sync
June Ling S'ng > outlook is a mixture of bbs n email servies.....
KING LAM > everyone protest
LoNG Nguyen > explain please?
LoNG Nguyen > do skip yet
Daniel Lim > OUTLOOK is crap
Wee Leng Lee > it's a mixture of bbs n email list
LoNG Nguyen > ?
Jessie Lim > mixture????
Leanne mok > how is outlook a mixture??
Wee Leng Lee > unlike bbs or email list?. bbs is only a discussion forum? while email list? it's just a email address for a group of people
Ian Choo > ...next
KING LAM > distribution list u mean?
Daniel Lim > use a different example
Wei Yoke Tan > BBS is designed mainly for swapping files, but also featured areas where users could post notices.
Daniel Lim > swappping files????
LoNG Nguyen > hmmm i think...
Daniel Lim > isnt bbs just to share info
Bob Lin > i thought its just swaping ideas
Daniel Lim > text
KING LAM > never used it long?
Leanne mok > swapping files?
June Ling S'ng > sending n receiving files....
SANGJUN PARK > what is difference between e-mail and outlook??
RICHARD NIM > so isnt computer conferencing just like email?
LoNG Nguyen > never
donna ngeow > outlook facilities email
KING LAM > there's no different
Daniel Lim > yes
June Ling S'ng > email is only for sending files...
LoNG Nguyen > ?
RICHARD NIM > email sends text...
SANGJUN PARK > ???
June Ling S'ng > in outlook... u could post messages too...
Daniel Lim > outlook is an emial client i know that
Bob Lin > >
Skye Neilson > I really don't understand this whole thing. Please a different example ... it would make things so much easier
LoNG Nguyen > this doesn't make sense... it over laps
Jessie Lim > email send voice too!!!
KING LAM > we can do it on msn, icq, ftp, eveyrthing
SANGJUN PARK > e-mail can do it
Daniel Lim > email also sends files
KING LAM > but not email,,, too limited
SANGJUN PARK > what??
Jennifer TRAN > *confused*
ADAM MA > is icq computer conferencing?
Leanne mok > on email??
SANGJUN PARK > what is limit?
Daniel Lim > wat is computer conferencing
Wei Yoke Tan > conferencing is a form of group discussion that uses text messages stored on a computer as a communication medium
Bob Lin > it has the fuction
Daniel Lim > i c
Bob Lin > so its not video conf then
Leanne mok > asyc or syc?
LoNG Nguyen > ok... BBS = ideas + Files..... while comp conferecing = EMAIL!?
KING LAM > theb conferencing is email
Skye Neilson > No, I still am not understanding .. do you mean like IRC?
Daniel Lim > so wats d diff b/t bbs and conferencing
KING LAM > are u serious?
Daniel Lim > isnt it d same
RICHARD NIM > yehh i think it might be like ICQ, msnMessenger
Wee Leng Lee > IRC is synchornous.....
HEIDI MOYA > headache!!!
Don Le > so comp conferencing is more like icq?
Wei Yoke Tan > no i dont think so, as explaination above, conferencing is a form of group discussion that uses text messages stored on a computer as a communication medium
SANGJUN PARK > explanation is more confused
LoNG Nguyen > *waves his hands*
KING LAM > but icq you can post offline msg
ADAM MA > or is Computer Conferencing another term for CMC?
Ian Choo > my eyeballs are strained
Jennifer TRAN > ca u give us an example please?
Leanne mok > icq can sms
Bob Lin > they are all cmc
SANGJUN PARK > me too
Daniel Lim > so its a centralised form of communication
LoNG Nguyen > oh ok
Skye Neilson > I always though IRC was asynch
KING LAM > is he the moderator?
Daniel Lim > where the data or text in this case is stored on a server
ANAMUR TRAN > so computer conferencing is aysynchronous?
ANTHONY NGUYEN > irc is synchronous
Jessie Lim > who?
Wee Leng Lee > it is asynchronous when a user is offline.
LoNG Nguyen > you
ANTHONY NGUYEN > u get immediate responses
Don Le > irc is sychronous
LoNG Nguyen > me?
KING LAM > ic
SANGJUN PARK > computer conferencing sounds like conference
Bob Lin > haha long is mod
KING LAM > you're syncrhonous long
Daniel Lim > the mods arent saying anything
LoNG Nguyen > no
Wee Leng Lee > it can be function in two ways
Jennifer TRAN > ok can we move on now....
Wee Leng Lee > but usually.
LoNG Nguyen > i'm not a mod
Jessie Lim > haha...:P
Bob Lin > anamar is
LoNG Nguyen > lol
ADAM MA > haha
KING LAM > ;p;
Wee Leng Lee > icq is an synchronous.
KING LAM > lol i mean
Bob Lin > anyway can we goto next slide?
ANAMUR TRAN > i'm not a mod
Wee Leng Lee > USUALLY i mean...
Bob Lin > plz
LoNG Nguyen > yeh
SANGJUN PARK > plz
Jessie Lim > *bored*
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LoNG Nguyen > forget about it
KING LAM > yella
Wee Leng Lee > newsgroup is a discussion forum?. for particular subjects distributed through USENET?.
ANTHONY NGUYEN > i think wee leng is the only mod
ADAM MA > yea next slide, quickly, i have to cut up wood before it gets dark
Wee Leng Lee > it's a mixture of message boards and email list
KING LAM > yeah
donna ngeow > i have to go to the bank too
KING LAM > wee is a mod
Bob Lin > haha phyco adam
SANGJUN PARK > what is useneT?
Wee Leng Lee > for easy communication among groups of people with the same interest
ADAM MA > hahaha
Bob Lin > so like a newsletter thing?
Wee Leng Lee > if u want to know more about newsgroup? u can find them in www.dejanews.com
Jessie Lim > y>donna:P
SANGJUN PARK > examples are?
Li Ying Lim > Usenet is the set of machines that exchange articles tagged with one or more universally-recognized labels, called newsgroups
June Ling S'ng > it like a bulletin board system....
Daniel Lim > yep
KING LAM > now that's copy and paste
Wee Leng Lee > the discussion topics are normally quite focused as they are usually governed by netiquette rules?.
Daniel Lim > and
SANGJUN PARK > yes it is
Skye Neilson > Usenet can be trolled .. goverened by netiquette, it's an optional extra
ADAM MA > i see
RICHARD NIM > trolled?
Wee Leng Lee > newsgroups r normally not moderated? so they could be quite contentious at times
ANTHONY NGUYEN > controlled
donna ngeow > trolled? what's that?
ANTHONY NGUYEN > ?
Skye Neilson > People stirring ... making trouble
Tin-Yan Louey > majorly
Skye Neilson > Because of the fact that it's unmoderated
Leanne mok > oh u
KING LAM > troll : and person that doesn't look like a person
RICHARD NIM > oooh..
ADAM MA > ahha king
Bob Lin > hahah
RICHARD NIM > Long ur a troll....
donna ngeow > ohhh . over at google news group it can take up to 3 hrs for a post to show that's annoying
June Ling S'ng > ok....
LoNG Nguyen > i'm the little trolls
Don Le > HAHA Long
LoNG Nguyen > with the colourful hair
June Ling S'ng > moving on?
KING LAM > they nomral lotter under bridges
Bob Lin > long troll
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SANGJUN PARK > sounds like BBS
Wee Leng Lee > voicemail is an interactive computerized system for answering and routing telephone calls n etc
Wee Leng Lee > voicemail is an interactive computerized system for answering and routing telephone calls n etc
Skye Neilson > Voice mail as a virtual community?
LoNG Nguyen > ok
LoNG Nguyen > ok
Bob Lin > but wats voice mail gotta do with cmc?
Jessie Lim > copy n paste:LOL
KING LAM > alright
KING LAM > alright
Wee Leng Lee > it's good for recording long n private messages
LoNG Nguyen > me?
SANGJUN PARK > this topic does not concerne with PC
ADAM MA > hahahaha
Bob Lin > you cant post voice mail on comp
KING LAM > hahhaha
Wee Leng Lee > unlike sms? u could only type up to only 160 characters
RICHARD NIM > wouldnt voice mail be that TMC or whateva?
Leanne mok > voice mail annnonying
SANGJUN PARK > how?
Wee Leng Lee > there's not much u could tell thru sms
Wee Leng Lee > the problem in voicemail is
Daniel Lim > wat bout MMS
Skye Neilson > How do you define voice mail as a "place" for a virtual community?
KING LAM > we're killing it long
LoNG Nguyen > yeah voice mail is ok
Wee Leng Lee > u might get problem in defining people's messages? especially when they don't speak clearly
LoNG Nguyen > sometimes it's annoying
LoNG Nguyen > cost money too
Daniel Lim > true
Wee Leng Lee > or? there might be a transmission problem?. so u couldn't hear the message clearly
Don Le > i agree
SANGJUN PARK > hum
donna ngeow > who ever bothers to leave voice messges!!
ADAM MA > yea.. sky's question
KING LAM > yeah
Daniel Lim > yes
Fang Han Lim > no one likes voice mail
June Ling S'ng > mobile phone is considered as an gadget of vc....
LoNG Nguyen > you'd rather talk to a real person than a computer
Jessie Lim > yea we hv to pay for listen:P
LoNG Nguyen > it's a natural thing
KING LAM > it costs too much and does nothing
Leanne mok > ppl never state their numbers properly
LoNG Nguyen > no one talks to a computer
HEIDI MOYA > I hate it...
Daniel Lim > lol
KING LAM > oi, is there voicemail on prepaid's?
Bob Lin > o r pranks
Jennifer TRAN > yeah voice mail is unpredictable. The caller doesn't know if the other end has it or not
Skye Neilson > Is someone going to answer the question?
Daniel Lim > yes
donna ngeow > what's the question??
ANTHONY NGUYEN > how is voice mail related to CMC??
LoNG Nguyen > question?
Leanne mok > i wat ??
June Ling S'ng > what questions/
LoNG Nguyen > use a 50/50
SANGJUN PARK > no idea
KING LAM > hahha
LoNG Nguyen > phone a friend
ADAM MA > hahah
Daniel Lim > hahahahaha
KING LAM > hhahhahah
Don Le > is that ur final answer?
Ian Choo > lol
Li Ying Lim > voice mail is ACMC
Tin-Yan Louey > lock it in
Leanne mok > u mite get voice mail!!
KING LAM > you're killing it long
Bob Lin > but thats not computer mediated
KING LAM > don't call yourself long when its our turn
SANGJUN PARK > i agree
June Ling S'ng > ok.... moving on then....
Skye Neilson > no
LoNG Nguyen > lol!
SANGJUN PARK > all skip
June Ling S'ng > no?
Skye Neilson > Can you answer the question please?
June Ling S'ng > which question?
Leanne mok > wat ????
SANGJUN PARK > make answer to him
Jessie Lim > ???
ANTHONY NGUYEN > wot was the question?
Skye Neilson > How do you define voice mail as a "place" fOR a virtual community?
ADAM MA > is it going to rain soon?
ADAM MA > its hard to cut wood in the rain
KING LAM > i think so
KING LAM > hope it doesn't
LoNG Nguyen > true
ADAM MA > craps
Bob Lin > yeah i can see the tornado
Wee Leng Lee > it is a virtual place
Li Ying Lim > It makes possible for users' PC answer telephone calls in while users were absence and record incoming messages on users' PC.
Bob Lin > they can cut for you
LoNG Nguyen > but it's quite personal
KING LAM > now that's copy n paste
RICHARD NIM > but is that really a community?
Bob Lin > but who uses pc as a voice mail todai anyway
ANTHONY NGUYEN > i don't agree that voice mail is a place for VC's
LoNG Nguyen > unless you call up the adult chat places and listen to ppls msgs
ADAM MA > tornado can cut the wood?
Skye Neilson > Ok, I'm not satisfied by the answer, but thank you
June Ling S'ng > u send msg thru email....
ANTHONY NGUYEN > voice mail works just like an answering machine
LoNG Nguyen > other than that. it's a personal message
June Ling S'ng > voicemail... u send msg thru voice...
Jessie Lim > voice mail+ecards:D
SANGJUN PARK > voice mail is sound
LoNG Nguyen > it's only meant for the receiver isn't it?
Fang Han Lim > yea.. but in the past answering machines were there coz ppl couldnt be home all the time.. now we have mobiles
KING LAM > yes
Jennifer TRAN > yeah usually voicemail communication works only one way
June Ling S'ng > can we move on ?
KING LAM > can you send mulitple voice mail?
Jessie Lim > yea
Bob Lin > yeah
SANGJUN PARK > plz
LoNG Nguyen > hello?
Daniel Lim > YES plz
LoNG Nguyen > is anyone listening?
Tin-Yan Louey > shuush
Tin-Yan Louey > no
SANGJUN PARK > all
Jessie Lim > listening??
June Ling S'ng > we r still in acmc....
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Daniel Lim > .......s
Wee Leng Lee > scmc requires users to exchange information at the same time? normally it only works in the same communication channel
Wee Leng Lee > like icq? u need your friend to be using icq too in order to chat
LoNG Nguyen > ok
Wee Leng Lee > so the main disadvantage of scmc to use the same communication channel
KING LAM > yeah
Daniel Lim > u can send offline msg
Jessie Lim > is voice conferencing scmc as well?
Wee Leng Lee > ok? the few types of scmc that we r going to talk about today is
June Ling S'ng > yes....
ANAMUR TRAN > offline would be acmc
Jessie Lim > cccc....
Wee Leng Lee > chatting system, broadcasting, n video conferencing
SANGJUN PARK > so opposite mean from asynchronous CMC
LoNG Nguyen > icq is multi cmc
June Ling S'ng > yes...
Daniel Lim > uh huh okies
EMMA MACDONALD browsed to http://www-staff.it.uts.edu.au/~hkoosha/group20/sld013.htm
Wee Leng Lee > yup
MICHAEL browsed to http://www-staff.it.uts.edu.au/~hkoosha/group20/sld014.htm
June Ling S'ng browsed to http://www-staff.it.uts.edu.au/~hkoosha/group20/sld015.htm
Wei Yoke Tan > yeah
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Wee Leng Lee > chatting is a communication between people typing short messages to each other at the same time
Jessie Lim > msn...yahoo msger
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SANGJUN PARK > this is real time
Bob Lin > icic
KING LAM > that's a bad skin yous got there
SANGJUN PARK > but
Wee Leng Lee > there is usually a character limit to chatting services
Fang Han Lim > uh huh
Wee Leng Lee > like icq? they would recommend u to deliver your messages in other form or cut down your message if your message is over limit
June Ling S'ng > we know...
donna ngeow > msn has one yeah
Leanne mok > there is?
LoNG Nguyen > send us your chick contacts
Wee Leng Lee > chatting is a good real time conversation tool with traceable conversation history
Bob Lin > haha long
LoNG Nguyen > tanks for your icq number
donna ngeow > Yup MSN has limit to how much you can write in one go
June Ling S'ng > huh?
SANGJUN PARK > it cannot to be fix what u say
KING LAM > yeah send us aimee UIN
Wee Leng Lee > however, it is ambiguous identity? so u actually don't really know who or what you r actually talking to
June Ling S'ng > that not ours...
LoNG Nguyen > ahahaa
LoNG Nguyen > rip off!
Li Ying Lim > anyway. u can try
Wee Leng Lee > n inexperience users might face some difficulties in using chatting system
Jennifer TRAN > that's like with most things over the net, you don't really know who is on the other end
donna ngeow > yeah you have to know how to t ype fast to keep up
Bob Lin > but why would you chat to someone you dunno neway
Skye Neilson > Because you have no life
Bob Lin > yeah n read that fast like now!
LoNG Nguyen > a/s/l that's why
June Ling S'ng > so... is anyone alright???
ADAM MA > haha long
donna ngeow > plus, novice users might get confused by all the acronmyns
Daniel Lim > yes
Bob Lin > haha people on net all no life then?
June Ling S'ng > moving on then...
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Wee Leng Lee > it's a transmission of radio or tv program for the public? or even private usage
SANGJUN PARK > this one has to pay
June Ling S'ng > broadcasting...
Wee Leng Lee > example for broadcast is realplayer
June Ling S'ng > well it depend.s..
Wee Leng Lee > i think everyone knows what realplayer is? right???
Skye Neilson > In the readings, I thought that broadcast was more defined as web cams etc .. rather than clips
Bob Lin > yeah
Daniel Lim > yes
KING LAM > nope
YINWAN CHIN > yes
ADAM MA > yes
SANGJUN PARK > depend on internet connection
ANTHONY NGUYEN > yes, i agree
Wee Leng Lee > have anyone user realplayer before???means for radio or tv broadcasting?
Jennifer TRAN > nopes
KING LAM > nope
ADAM MA > no
Leanne mok > really bad for radio
SANGJUN PARK > if it is slow, it cannot be used
Bob Lin > nup
Bob Lin > nothing good on there
June Ling S'ng > yeah...
Li Ying Lim > agree...
Wee Leng Lee > ok? broadcasting is usually free for customers? n the information is up to date too
Wee Leng Lee > but it not as good for the people who set up the broadcasting for u
KING LAM > so you haven't used real player b4 moderator?
Jennifer TRAN > why use broadcast wen i can flip on my tv and radio for the same thing?
Bob Lin > how about windows media player then?
Wee Leng Lee > cause it's quite expensive to set up n maintain? they normally need quite an amount of advertising support to 'survive'?. in the industry
June Ling S'ng browsed to http://www-staff.it.uts.edu.au/~hkoosha/group20/sld017.htm
LoNG Nguyen > main problem is bandwidth
Wee Leng Lee > videoconferencing is a communication tools that allow people to see n hear each other when they interact
Fang Han Lim > slow
ADAM MA > would a business company use real player?
Leanne mok > coz cant get o/s radio
ANTHONY NGUYEN > maybe they mean broadcasting but via a webcam..
donna ngeow > no
ADAM MA > like are there any examples of company's who use boradcast to conduct business?
June Ling S'ng > too fast???
SANGJUN PARK > medimsn
Fang Han Lim > the frames tend to drag as well
SANGJUN PARK > msn
Skye Neilson > ok, yeh, I thought that vid conferencing was broadcasting ......
donna ngeow > you can get o/s radio?? frorm which country?
Skye Neilson > Confused again.
Leanne mok > ppl use broadcast to conduct agms
KING LAM > what's today's topic again?
LoNG Nguyen > ?
ANTHONY NGUYEN > wot's agms?
Bob Lin > places for VC
Jennifer TRAN > video conferencing is really handy wen communicating over long distances
ADAM MA > amgs?
RICHARD NIM > whats agms?
ADAM MA > agms?
LoNG Nguyen > agms?
Jessie Lim > place 4 vc,....
SANGJUN PARK > this presentation will be bored
Don Le > agms?
LoNG Nguyen > um ok
KING LAM > POTS: plain old telephone service
Leanne mok > if u want to get o/s radio got to do through net but really slow..like kiss FM in london
LoNG Nguyen > thanks king
LoNG Nguyen > you are smart
KING LAM > np long
Wee Leng Lee > POTS n LAN allow networking to happen
Bob Lin > so who usually use vid conf then?
Leanne mok > agms = annual general meetings
Wee Leng Lee > so video conferencing can be able to occur between 2 or more people
Ian Choo > POTs: can they be smoked?
ADAM MA > ah thanks Leanne
Don Le > cools
KING LAM > no, it can be hooked up
Wee Leng Lee > video conferencing is able to deliver information rapidly? n accurately
LoNG Nguyen > thanks leanne
LoNG Nguyen > ^_*
Wee Leng Lee > n business industry is utilizing this tool to access the global market
Wee Leng Lee > however, it has limited bandwidth n data transmitted might corrupt easily
Skye Neilson > Like the access grid rite?
Wee Leng Lee > u normally need high transmission network for this tool to work effectively n efficiently
Daniel Lim > no data error correction????
KING LAM > usually streaming content uses UDP rather than TCP
Don Le > wat if they used high spped leased lines?
LoNG Nguyen > how does it corrupt?
KING LAM > because performance is more of a priority to error checking
donna ngeow > how high is high?
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Bob Lin > stuff will be gone
Wee Leng Lee > when they sending the file...the transmission problems
ANAMUR TRAN > udp won't work on the net mate
LoNG Nguyen > ok
RICHARD NIM > very high
ADAM MA > the sun is out
KING LAM > doesn
Don Le > so no rain?
SANGJUN PARK > we need to have a break
KING LAM > t it?
Peter Leijdekkers > why doesn't UDP work?
KING LAM > chi didn't say that
Don Le > tit?
ADAM MA > hope no rain
LoNG Nguyen > adam ma meet Anamur
June Ling S'ng > we r finishing soon...
donna ngeow > hey what time do banks close? 4 or 5?
Wee Leng Lee > lastly? we go to collaborative mode
Bob Lin > haha
June Ling S'ng browsed to http://www-staff.it.uts.edu.au/~hkoosha/group20/sld018.htm
ANAMUR TRAN > cause the error rates will be to much. it wil lwork but just unfeasable
SANGJUN PARK > i hope so
Leanne mok > 4pm bank close
Wee Leng Lee > it's a tools like textual chat, white boards, shared editors and video conferences?.
ADAM MA > haha
Bob Lin > wats collab?
Skye Neilson > 4 normally
ANAMUR TRAN > it won't i mean
Wee Leng Lee > its good for team work? as it more like a combined acmc and scmc tool?
Don Le > haha long u funni guy
RICHARD NIM > but doesnt the net currently use UDP?
Leanne mok > interent banking!!
Wee Leng Lee > example for collaborative tools is
LoNG Nguyen > lol
Wee Leng Lee > teamwave n livenet that we learnt the other day?.
Skye Neilson > net use tcp/ip ....
KING LAM > team wave was the best
Peter Leijdekkers > but for netmeeting it is UDP? or not?
SANGJUN PARK > why?
Bob Lin > icic how about that 3d ting ?
ANAMUR TRAN > net uses tcp for error cecking
LoNG Nguyen > cool
June Ling S'ng > did everyone like teamwave n livenet?
RICHARD NIM > but for broadcasting?
June Ling S'ng > broadcasting?
KING LAM > Ip for DNS
Bob Lin > teamwave
ANAMUR TRAN > i'm not a mod. so i don't know
June Ling S'ng > ok... moving on then...
Don Le > wat about crc?
LoNG Nguyen > anyways
ANTHONY NGUYEN > we're gettin off topic i think...
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LoNG Nguyen > collaborative
KING LAM > CRC= cyclic redundancy check
Skye Neilson > what about it?
June Ling S'ng browsed to http://www-staff.it.uts.edu.au/~hkoosha/group20/sld019.htm
SANGJUN PARK > haha
LoNG Nguyen > conclusion
June Ling S'ng > off topic...
Tin-Yan Louey > geeek
SANGJUN PARK > good definition
June Ling S'ng > moving on.. to conclusion...
Wee Leng Lee > the advances features of SCMC and ACMC have allowed virtual communications to become more efficient and effective
LoNG Nguyen > you;re welcome
KING LAM > thanx
KING LAM > ta
ADAM MA > the future of CMC?
Wee Leng Lee > so? what do u all think about the future of cmc
Bob Lin > people all use cmc to live?
LoNG Nguyen > skynet
ADAM MA > hahaha
Bob Lin > haha skynet
Don Le > robots
KING LAM > isn' that T3?
Wee Leng Lee > ok? the future of cmc is actually a reflection of what we should be asking about society as a whole
Bob Lin > there is a company called skynet now
SANGJUN PARK > no way
ANTHONY NGUYEN > it'll b like...demolition man
Ian Choo > t-100's
Leanne mok > haha
Wee Leng Lee > as it evolves from what we do day-to-day
LoNG Nguyen > lol
Daniel Lim > hhaha
Wee Leng Lee > it is a closely correlate to our future political scenarios too
Leanne mok > TX3
Wee Leng Lee > so? the future of cmc is in your hand
Daniel Lim > yes
SANGJUN PARK > space net
LoNG Nguyen > cool
KING LAM > what you on about Mok?
RICHARD NIM > future political scenarios?
Don Le > yeap in our hands
Leanne mok > wat??
KING LAM > TX3?
donna ngeow > that sounds like a tag line
KING LAM > what is TX3?
Jennifer TRAN > as long as CMC continues to be useful to all mankind, i don't think it'll ever die
KING LAM > a dinasour
Wee Leng Lee > this is the end of our presentation for today
LoNG Nguyen > are you mocking Mok?
Tin-Yan Louey > u mean trex
Leanne mok > hzhhzhz..orginal
Jennifer TRAN > *applaudes*
HEIDI MOYA > thanks....
Skye Neilson > Thanks :-)
KING LAM > don't laught long, they will see us
Wei Yoke Tan > is thre any qs/
Wee Leng Lee > thank you for paying attention
ADAM MA > sms can be bad as well, since its kinda hard to track
Bob Lin > thanjs guys
Jennifer TRAN > Thanks
SANGJUN PARK > zzz
Don Le > good work guys]
ANAMUR TRAN > good work
donna ngeow > thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! guys i gotta rush to the bankkkkkkkkkkkkk
June Ling S'ng > thank you for attending....
Jessie Lim > tq
Fang Han Lim > good work...
donna ngeow > see yas
Wee Leng Lee > please give yourselves an applause? thank you
ADAM MA > bin laden can talk to all his buddies on icq
Fang Han Lim > just a little slow on the slides.. hehe
Bob Lin > they can track you ma jer
Wei Yoke Tan > thank you for staying with us,
Li Ying Lim > TQ..