ONE ITEM DISGUISED AS MANY
- Item 70 ( 1) Explanation of the next 19 items
- Item 71 ( 29) Monday
- Item 72 ( 19) Tuesday
- Item 73 ( 21) Wednesday
- Item 74 ( 21) Thursday
- Item 75 ( 30) Friday
- Item 76 ( 20) Saturday
- Item 77 ( 21) Sunday
- Item 78 ( 7) January
- Item 79 ( 6) February
- Item 80 ( 7) March
- Item 81 ( 6) April
- Item 82 ( 7) May
- Item 83 ( 7) June
- Item 84 ( 6) July
- Item 85 ( 7) August
- Item 86 ( 6) September
- Item 87 ( 6) October
- Item 88 ( 7) November
- Item 89 ( 8) December
- Item 90 ( 58) Discussion of the last 19 items
HISTORICAL FIGURES - Item 38 ( 78) Before Dada, Dada, Surrealism, After Surrealism
- Item 123 ( 81) Henry Miller and Anais Nin
- Item 146 ( 36) Death and the Single Artist
- Item 147 ( 86) Wittgenstein
- Item 154 ( 56) Charlotte Moorman
- Item 244 (601) Name Dropping
- Item 338 (189) Dylan
- Item 344 (117) DADA< DUCHAMP< CAGE< FLUXUS
POST-ART THEORY - Item 7 (151) Networking Theories
- Item 57 (503) Artists and Suffering
- Item 106 (220) Democracy
- Item 108 ( 53) Technical Proficiency
- Item 109 (412) Critique The Critics
- Item 114 (361) Post-Modernism
- Item 115 (367) Art and Terrorism
- Item 117 ( 62) Concerning the Spiritual In Art
- Item 122 (213) Gift giving (including letter writing)
- Item 126 ( 51) Is the avant garde dead?
- Item 127 (217) Design: Graphic, Industrial, Experimental, Annoying
- Item 136 (286) What is entertainment
- Item 138 ( 86) Computer art, Thinking and Doing
- Item 139 (145) Gnawing, Nibbling, Biting, Chewing theFat on Taste
- Item 157 (176) Post-post-modernism: Refreshing new thoughts from now people
- Item 163 (224) Death The Final Frontier
- Item 169 (300) Intellectual Property
- Item 248 ( 61) Taboos.
- Item 259 (332) Miss OB 1991's Narrrative Item
- Item 289 ( 43) Playworld
- Item 323 ( 44) Hypertext/Hypermedia
- Item 335 (107) Cheesey vs, Campy
- Item 346 ( 85) CYBERcide
- Item 349 ( 41) Negativland and U2 and Copyright
- Item 353 ( 80) "Masterpieces"-- Pro and Con
- Item 362 ( 4) Patriotism
LANGUAGE - Item 10 (158) Computers, On Line Communications, Mail Art, Language
- Item 26 ( 76) History and the Big Lie
- Item 28 (127) Pseudonyms, Impersonations, Fictional (?) Characters
- Item 160 (222) Language Is A Virus From Outer Space
- Item 168 (363) Amy B.'s Foucault Item
- Item 227 (210) The Museum of Annoying Slogans
- Item 231 ( 56) Word
- Item 267 (113) Childhood Textuality
Voice Literary Supplement
SENSES - Item 53 ( 77) The Soundscape
- Item 212 (150) Sense of Smell
- Item 252 ( 10) Sense of Touch
- Item 258 (194) Impairments/ DisabilitiesQuestions/Discussion
PHILOSOPHY - Item 66 (139) Life's Little Lessons
- Item 91 (187) The Water will Change to Cherry Wine
- Item 97 (234) Information Overload
- Item 151 (252) Pretty toenails
THE ANTHROPOLOGY OF EVERYDAY LIFE - Item 156 (189) Your philosophy of life
- Item 170 (326) Philosophy and Nausea
- Item 254 (101) The Sine Wave Theory of Life
- Item 255 ( 49) Pet Philosophies
- Item 270 (212) Want to have a Philosophy Conference on ECHO?
- Item 316 ( 19) thought for the day
- Item 327 (247) KARMA
- Item 328 (309) Truth or Consequences
- Item 334 (134) Mind Body Duality
SPIRTUALITY - Item 150 (967) GOD: Defense Mechanism, Helpful Construct, or Just a Close Personal Friend
- Item 172 ( 19) Mysticism In Your Lifetime
- Item 257 ( 26) The Tao Te Ching -- The Way
- Item 271 (379) Son Of God
- Item 275 (195) I have been thinking about the difference between Christianity and Zen
- Item 274 (250) Epiphany
- Item 324 (162) Meditation
- Item 325 (194) Feng Shui - the art of placement
- Item 358 ( 40) Sex and Spirituality
POLITICS - Item 33 (280) The NEA, the intolerant, freedom of speech and you
- Item 67 (247) People Without Addresses (The Homeless)
- Item 69 (200) CYBERPAN World Brain
- Item 93 ( 70) Utopia
- Item 94 (110) Dystopia
- Item 113 (502) Masturbation in the 21st Century
- Item 307 (150) Male feminists. Female sexists. Genderless politics??
- Item 310 ( 34) Depiction of Women on Television
- Item 311 ( 59) Depiction of Men on TV
- Item 341 ( 99) Your political orientation
- Item 351 (219) Multiculturalism
- Item 360 ( 44) Is homosexuality a culture? - "Subitem" from #351
SELF-HELL - Item 52 (608) No Mask
- Item 96 (258) Famous Some Day
- Item 130 (140) ANGER
- Item 133 (101) Galleria of the Fractured Fragmentos
- Item 149 (247) Loneliness: Taboo
- Item 171 ( 48) why am i so serious?
- Item 173 (138) Your biggest fear
- Item 246 ( 42) Favorite Suffering
- Item 249 (177) narcissism -- or why i am the most important character in the world
- Item 261 ( 59) OBSESSion
- Item 264 (434) Success
- Item 280 (191) Responsibility
- Item 304 (220) Thin Skin Thick Skin
- Item 312 (250) Procrastination
- Item 313 (255) BOREDOM (yawn)
- Item 319 ( 71) Cleanliness, Neatness, Clutter and Filth
AUTOBIOGRAPHY - Item 3 (976) Introductions
- Item 29 (359) I Hate Everything
- Item 30 ( 60) I am dancing at the feet of my lord all is bliss all is bliss
- Item 31 (986) Childhood Memories
- Item 32 (144) My Old Thoughts
- Item 37 ( 83) Not Quite and The Job That Got Away
- Item 50 (235) Safe and restful sleep sleep sleep
- Item 62 (211) Most Memorable Happening In Your Life
- Item 101 ( 70) REUNIONS
- Item 105 (231) Nicknames and How They Got That Way
- Item 118 (295) Did your parents destroy your life?
- Item 131 (389) Book(s) I bought today
- Item 162 (172) Home
- Item 243 (113) What's your major?
- Item 251 (238) Your Area Of Expertise
- Item 262 ( 14) a fragmento funeral
- Item 277 (221) Nightmare Jobs from Hell
- Item 281 (315) I had this amazing dream last night....
- Item 282 ( 38) Retirement, savings, and other assorted ugly grown-up things..
- Item 283 (331) You and your father
- Item 284 (464) You and your mother
- Item 285 ( 16) You and Your Mother-in-Law
- Item 287 (114) Your ex-wife/husband
- Item 292 ( 53) How did your parents meet
- Item 306 (110) One Year Sabbatical - What Would YOU Do?
- Item 315 (417) What was the best thing you saw today?
- Item 343 (171) Transforming Arsinoe
OPINION - Item 56 (208) House Beautiful?
- Item 58 ( 43) The Most Beautiful Thing In Outer Space
- Item 59 (193) Most beautiful thing on Planet Earth
- Item 60 (149) Most Unpleasant Thing on Planet Earth
- Item 61 (196) Most Likely Explanation For the Creation of the Universe
- Item 63 ( 78) Greatest Artwork of All Time
- Item 64 (169) Most Boring Artist Of All Time
- Item 107 (213) The difference between Mark Kostabi and Jenny Holzer
- Item 134 ( 65) What Does The Future Hold for Art?
- Item 135 (199) PLEASE TELL ME WHAT THE FUTURE WILL BRING
- Item 159 (192) Remember 1991?
- Item 326 (249) Jeff Koons' dream
- Item 357 ( 55) Should Ugly People Dance?
- Item 359 ( 50) My Favorite Work of Art
- Item 337 ( 8) Quotes about "art
- Item 361 ( 28) Citizen Kane
MYTHOLOGY - Item 47 (140) Pan The Nature God
- Item 92 (194) Heroes and Heroines and Acts of Heroism
- Item 103 ( 13) Myths, Mythology, Legends and Archetypes
- Item 124 (135) Temple of Disembodied Tele-Love
- Item 207 ( 24) Other Deities and Other Demons
- Item 240 ( 65) vampires
- Item 340 (124) The Unpretentious Wine Item
- Item 348 (106) Goddess of the Month Club
ECHO - Item 237 ( 20) ECHO Classics
- Item 253 (589) The Sociology of Echo
- Item 331 ( 39) TOPIC D R I F T
- Item 356 ( 61) The History Of Echo in Under 1000 Postings
THE MR. HAPPY YEARS - Item 296 (275) Mr. Happy and Mr. Smith on trial
- Item 297 ( 35) SEXUAL FANTASIES ABOUT PANMAN
- Item 298 ( 45) YES YOU LIKE THIS!!!!!!!!!!
- Item 299 ( 5) SMEGMA
- Item 302 (112) Mallarme, Mr. Happy, Four letter words, etc... (a serious disc)
- Item 293 ( 78) Hunting!
- Item 294 ( 33) PANSCAN CRAPPER!!
- Item 295 ( 56) BORDERLINE: crime, love, satan, art, joy
YOUR HOST - Item 49 ( 21) Pan's Birthday- The on-Line celebration.
- Item 132 ( 67) Help The Panman
- Item 137 ( 37) Panmans Mail Bin
- Item 265 ( 33) Descriptions of Panman
RIDICULOUS QUESTIONS - Item 174 ( 27) Questionairre guaranteed to annoy and delight
- Item 188 ( 40) mental image
- Item 190 ( 74) Amusement ride?
- Item 197 ( 56) Taste in Your mouth
- Item 236 ( 27) Favorite hour of the day
- Item 238 ( 30) Left or Right?
- Item 239 ( 52) Your favorite lipid
- Item 245 ( 21) Favorite Bodily Discharge
- Item 247 ( 22) Your favorite caucus command
- Item 250 ( 42) Icky Food Combos
That was the set up of my Panscan Computer Conference as of February 93 It has grown since then and I'll tell you rest some other time. Basically I think an Electronic Archive will work best when it is organized and easy to use.
RJ: Dear Mark Bloch: On April 8th I received your last answer to the interview project. I sent the next question in a large envelope to your P.O. Box, but it seems it didn't arrive, or that you haven't found the time to answer it (maybe because of your BIG UN-project. Here I send you the question again....
With the electronic communication things can get out of control rapidly. If your message is interesting and lots of people react to it, how do you deal with answering it all? I believe that at the moment you are mostly communicating by computer and hardly answer any snail-mail? (I'll send this question by snail-mail to see if you still collect your mail at the P.O.Box....)
Reply on: 14-8-1995 MB: Well, Ruud, the answer to your "lots of people" question is in the "it seems it didn't arrive" introduction! Yeah, you see I often DON'T answer my mail anymore- both the snail mail and the Internet mail. I would like to. And I intend to. But what I have learned in my 5 year Ex Post Facto Art Strike (1990-95) and the Word Strike (1991-1995) is that if you don't answer your mail IT REALLY ISN'T THE END OF THE WORLD. Sure, I've missed opportunities and I'm sure I've pissed some people off or just confused them or made them wonder about me... and for that I am sorry... but I've taken the time for MYSELF these past few years and gotten some interesting answers to some questions that plague all of us.
Namely, that one quality correspondence is better than 1000 superficial correspondences. I used to try to answer everything and (HERE IS THE ANSWER I THINK YOU WERE LOOKING FOR) that meant sitting down with an idea, making a postcard or 8 1/2 x 11 inch page or PANMAG issue and then mailing it out to hundreds of people all at once. That included rubber stamping them all the same more or less, maybe jotting down a short note or two, addressing them very quickly, buying a bunch of stamps and licking them all at once until my mouth tasted like turpentine and slapping them into a mail box. The responses would then pour in- hundreds of letters out equals thousands of letters in- and then I'd do it again. It got me nowhere.
I met a lot of interesting people and established myself as a mail artist in the network but no one really knew who I was or what I do until I met them in person. THEN I was able to give a fuller picture of myself the way you get when you are in a one-on-one correspondence with someone. You write letters. You ask and answer questions. You talk about your daily life.
Both ways of interacting are valuable but for me the mass mailing got tiresome after 15 years in the network. I felt like the Publishers Clearinghouse which is an American company that sends out millions of junk mailings to everyone with an address. That is not art activity- that is busywork and though it was interesting for a while, it got less interesting over the years.I stopped with the mail in 1990 after mailing out THE LAST WORD, my contribution to the ART STRIKE literature and propaganda and only maintained a few mail relationships. One was with Ray Johnson. I continued to mail him stuff on a daily basis and now that he is dead I am so grateful that I had an opportunity to really devote myself to our friendship in a way that would have been impossible if he was one of a thousand correspondents.
I also kept up my local interactions during this time on Echo a local BBS in New York where my Pascan conference resides.
Now with Listserve on the Internet I am back into corresponding with thousands again. It has it's place but it is not as rewarding as the slow relationships I've built over the past five years with my wife, my new baby Simon, Ray Johnson, and also people like you via the Internet and Fa Ga Ga Ga a mail artist from Ohio whom I have met in person on many occasions face to face in the past five years because he comes to New York often and I go to Ohio from time to time.
But if corresponding with thousands is something that interests a person, it is easy enough: all you have to do is get a table and a rubberstamp and some postage stamps and make a thousand xeroxes of whatever you want and subscribe to Ryosuke Cohen's Brain Cell or Ashley Parker Owen's Global Mail. There is no shortage of mindless busywork to do. Some people do this almost as a profession and have become very famous without ever having an original thought! But not Cohen and Owens.They know who they are.
It's easy and it's fun and it is a beautiful way to avoid ever having to face yourself. PS there is one other way to do it - the best of both worlds as I have done. Sit quietly doing nothing for 5 years and then take the rest of your life to send each person a long letter. I guess that's my plan for now.
Here ya go.
RJ: Well, I must say I appreciate these personal answers very much. In a way I am doing the same as you, with these mail-interviews I get to know some mail-artists quite good and on the other hand I neglect the non-personal mail I still get in by the dozens in my P.O. Box. In your last answer you also mentioned the building up of a relation with Ray Johnson. Your e-mail message about his death I would like to include in the printed version of this interview. How was your relationship with Ray?
Reply on 8-2-1996 (Internet) MB: We had a pretty cool relationship. We'd call each other up on the phone about twice a month. Sometimes less but usually more. He would call and ask for mail artist's phone numbers or addresses. Or to see if I'd gotten this or that catalogue or letter. I'd call him just to chat or to joke or to ask if he'd seen some book or article about Duchamp.
I think we had a similar idea about mail art. We were both interested in it but we also mocked it a bit. As he told me one day "Mail Art is an industry." I think it's true. It got a bit too large for it's own good at some point in the 80's. Or maybe just too serious for its own good. But Ray I both like to joke so we would joke about mail art. We also would joke about Marcel Duchamp and his last project, The Etant Donnes, and about all sorts of stuff.
We used to talk a lot about TV. We both enjoyed working with the TV on in the background so we would watching the same shows- not on purpose. But often it would be- "hey did you see so and so?" and of course, both of us had. So we would talk about a show or a film or an actor or a scene or whatever. I remember he enjoyed the Fashion series they had on PBS. We also both sat mesmerized by the Anita Hill-Clarence Thomas Debacle which was an American political scandal/confirmation hearing for a guy nominated for the Supreme Court. Too hard to explain. But there was a real wonderful cast of characters on that. A guy named Doggett Ray and I both couldn't believe. And a black woman I enjoyed watching very much. I remember Ray said "Float her down the Nile!" and I made a piece of art about her as a Nefertiti-like statue afterwards.
That is how our conversations went. They were very free-form, very lighthearted and fun. Kind of making puerile jokes about all sorts of intellectual subjects. And finding profound synchronicities in things like stupid made-for-TV movies.
Ray loved to make fun of Arsenio Hall, a stupid talk show host. I think we were both equally repulsed and fascinated by the constant stream of mindless entertainment. I miss talking to him.
I used to write down a lot of the things Ray said in our calls. It started out that I would just jot down something he said- a name he dropped or whatever. Someone I'd never heard of.To look up afterwards. But as time went on I began to write down everything he said. I can write quite fast from over 20 years of journal-writing so I'd make notes and piece them together after I hung up. Now that he's dead I am so glad I did that. I look through some of the things he said and find whole new worlds to explore. He was always recommending books to read. I am glad now I can go back and read them. Or look up people he mentioned. I've met a lot of them since his death quite by accident. I run into people and we talk about Ray and then I go home and look them up in my Ray data base and sure enough, there they are. He mentioned everyone! I like to theorize that he was a bridge between people and now that he's dead- jumping off a bridge- we are left to make the connections ourselves. At the same time, there are so many things I wish I could ask him now. I asked him just before he died if I could do a video interview with him and he seemed excited by the idea. I'm sorry we never did it.
I think Ray and I understood each other. We communicated in weird non-verbal verbal Taoist talk show code. I enjoyed sending him mail art. He'd send me a lot too. I'd like to gather it all up at some point. I have a lot of it collected here but there are still dozens and dozens of envelopes in my archive that I need to find eventually.
I really think he decided on his death many years ago so I would like to find them all and look for clues. Plus I would just like to have them around because I miss Ray as a friend and a mentor.
He helped me a lot. He introduced me to lots of wonderful people. He used to constantly be filling in little gaps in my knowledge. Huge gaps, really. Ray was the type of person I could call up and ask any question of. He'd gladly respond if he was in the right mood. If he was not in the right mood he'd say "I don't know" or "Who cares?" or answer with a riddle. But the answers he gave always lead me in the right direction.
Most of our conversations were like long free associating poems that started somewhere and ended nowhere. They'd begin with an excuse to call and then meander all over the place, taking weird turns with every pun and obscure reference. We both liked puns and we both enjoyed TV and pop culture. I should say that he LOVED the TV show Twin Peaks and so did I. He told me once he thought it was the best show ever on TV. If you really want to know what our friendship was like, watch that show. It sort of flopped along like that...
RJ: Well, the show was here on Dutch Television too, but at that time I wasn't watching that much television. So I will watch out for it when it comes back again, or when I see something on video. I want to thank you for this interview Mark, and I hope we'll stay in contact.
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Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 16:24:28 -0500
From: [email protected]
To:
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Subject: Ruud Jannsen Ray Johnson say 50 times fast
< Ray Johnson 1927-1995 I'm sorry to announce that Ray Johnson, the founder of the New
YorkCorrespondance School and a man who playfully announced his own death
manytimes, died for real this weekend.
He drowned during a visit to Sag Harbor, New York. He was pulled from the
water at12:35pm Saturday afternoon, January 14, 1995. He was fully clothed- in a
typicaloutfit for him- levi's, a wool sweater, a levi jacket and a wind breaker.
He was lastseen around 7pm Friday night after checking into the Barron's Cove
Inn in SagHarbor, near the end of Long Island, NY. Sag Harbor is on the north
shore of LongIsland, about a two hour drive from his home in Locust Valley, a
journey he appearsto have made in order to do some drawings at the estate of
Jackson Pollock andLee Krasner.
The weather was unusually mild for this time of year. Ray was fond of the
water. Heoften took walks along the shore at Oyster Bay near his home. He was
also prone towalking out on piers and docks. There were several near the area
where he wasfound on Saturday. He told me on the phone recently "I'm going to do
my exercises,"that he was "working on a washboard stomach" by doing "rowing
exercises on thebeach with rocks." And that he would "walk with rocks" as
weights and that he was"feeling very fit."
Ray turned 67 years old on the 16th of October. He was going strong,
remarkably fitfor a man of that age. He ate no meat, didn't drink, smoke or
partake of recreationaldrugs. He worked from morning until night, often with the
television on in thebackground. As usual, he was still making up new
incarnations of hisCorresponDANCE School, the latest one I had heard of being
the "Taoist Pop ArtSchool." He had taken up photography in recent years and took
daily walks wherehe would make photos. I also noticed that only weeks ago he had
finally retired therubber stamp with his return address on it that he had used
for years in favor of anew one. I had meant to ask him about that.
Born in 1927 in Detroit Michigan, Ray Johnson's first experiences using the
mail asa medium for art have been documented as early as 1943 in a
correspondence withhis friend Arthur Secunda. In the late 40's- early 50's (?)
he attended theexperimental Black Mountain College in North Carolina where he
studied withJoseph Albers and Buckminister Fuller among others. He has
influenced thousandsof people, from other Black Mountain faculty like John Cage
and Willem and ElaineDeKooning to his contemporaries like Andy Warhol, Robert
Rauschenberg, JasperJohns and the Fluxus group (whom) he met when he moved to
New York in the 50's)to an entire generation of younger artists who called him
"the granddaddy of mailart." History may also eventually see Ray Johnson as the
first Pop artist. Hisminimalist collages using the images of James Dean and
Elvis pre-date AndyWarhol's and most of his contemporaries by several years. In
addition to makingelegant collages, which he called 'moticos," Ray hosted many
happenings andevents at various locations around Manhattan in the 1960's. These
actions dreweveryone in the art world and started the cross-pollenation of
personalities thatbecame his Correspondence School. He would send things to
friends and strangersalike, asking them to add to them and send them on to
another person, often usinghis unique brand of intuitive word play as his guide.
Some of this activity isdocumented in The Paper Snake published by Dick Higgins'
Something Else Press.He has been called "the most famous unknown artist in the
world."
Ray lived on Suffolk Street on the Lower East Side until 1968 when he was
mugged-around the same time- if not the same day- that his friend Andy Warhhol
was shotby Valerie Solanas. He decided to leave the city and his friends artist
RichardLippold and collector Arturo Schwartz reportedly were instrumental in his
moving to"the Pink House" on 7th Street in Locust Valley, from which he never
moved. Heworked there, almost hermit-like with the exception of of his voracious
appetite forphone calls and correspondence, mysteriously and prolifically for
over 25 years.
Many people wanted to show his work but he prefered his quiet admiration of
thesage Lao Tse. His last major show was at the Nassau County Museum of Art in
themid-eighties and a gallery show in the 90's in Philadelphia of his "A Book
AboutModern Art." A catalogue raissonne' was in the works. He had recently done
one ofhis informal non-performances which he called "nothings" at a gallery in
LongIsland. He told me in one of our last phone calls, "Will you come to my show
atSandra Gering in January? I'm doing a half a nothing. I can't decide whether
to do itin the first half or the second half."
Many of us who know each other in the art world and its fringes have that
pleasurebecause of Ray Johnson. As the extent of his influence on 20th century
art and"letters" continues to be uncovered, we will surely miss Ray Johnson, the
man. Inspite of his Taoist fondness of nothing, Ray was really something.
January 15, 1995
Mail-artist: Mark Bloch, PO Box 1500, NY, NY USA 10009 Interviewer: Ruud Janssen - TAM, P.O.Box 1055, 4801 BB Breda,
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