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Impelliteri/UFO Mon Dec 1 03:06:17 1997

From: Steve, Denmark at svs.svs.dk
1. New Impelliteri 4-track EP released last week in Japan: anyone heard it? What's it like? 2. The last UFO album "Walk On Water" FINALLY got a UK release!!! Amazingly, Kerrang! gave it a 4-star review. Hope that doesn't mean it sounds like NIN...!!! 
UFO Mon Dec 1 05:13:33 1997

From: Elvis at 194.110.38.79
Speaking of UFO... They gonna come next week to Finland with Micheal Schrenker(how in the fuck do you spell it...)...Iīm there... 
Very p#%&ed off Mon Dec 1 06:14:18 1997

From: Steve, Denmark at svs.svs.dk
Prompted by Elvis's post re: UFO tour, have just checked tour dates to see if Denmark was included and found that they played on Friday. Fuck it. So, to those readers in Finlad, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, UK, Belgium etc: don't you screw up like I did!!! Check the UFO website for tour dates!!! If only I'd known... 
 
Elvisīs hot tip of the day Tue Dec 2 11:10:40 1997

From: Elvis at 194.110.38.79
Ahoy oh mortals!! Thou shalt get a stereo system with a karaoke button that removes the out of tune vocals totally and then run to the shop and get the 1st Symphony X record!!!!! I bought all 3 record at the same time and ended up totally ignoring the 1st on īcause of the terrible vocals now that Iīm actually listening to it Iīm loving every second!!!!(that of course means every second the singer shutīs the fuck up) SICK prog/neoclassical/shred/ultra wiggly-wiggly stuff... Micheal Romeo rules the world of Elvis while shaking his pelvis... Heīs got taste in his shred work AND heīs a fucking MONSTER!!!!! 
 
Symphony X Tue Dec 2 11:43:04 1997

From: Geetar at ts35p5.fia.net
Hey Elvis, check out Micheal Romeo's solo disc entitled "Dark Chapter"..More scary geetar pyrotechnics....and if you can get it, try his instructional video from Japan...it features demonstrations of various licks and Symphony X tunes.... 
 
Hey...... Tue Dec 2 20:09:41 1997

From: Geetar at ts7p9.fia.net
but I like to play shit music. It's soo fun...Minor 2nd harmony solos and totally playing shred solos in the most inappropriate places..it's soo fun to piss people off in those little music situations...one of the teachers at the community college I go to played sax in the college's production of Zoot Suit and during the solo he played the melody for that christmas song "Dashing through the snow, in a one horse open sleigh...." funny shit music...me and my buddies always jam and play these really horrendous and cheesy metal progressions...we all try to work in the solo to "Hello" by Lionel Ritchie...it just rules..Yeah, No Doubt, seen em', like to ruin their songs with crazy solos whenever I hear them and I like to play their songs and mock them by adding my sarcastic, whiny vocals..."don't speak...." People hate me for that.....Yeah, Marilyn Manson can sign me up as a geetar player and I'll ruin him like Jannick Gers ruined Iron Maiden and the trends of the 90's ruined Metallica(at least to me).....Shred, shred shred mindless shred....Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeeeeeah! 
 
Neoclassical is coming back !!! Wed Dec 3 07:21:19 1997

From: Michael Melloff at pppl056.micronet.fr
Did you notice it !!!??? Lot of new neoclassical are born or revealed this 2 last year. Of course they call themselve prog metal with classical influence(well that the definition of neoclassical) So those new bands are : ANGRA (listen the first album, lot of neoclassical), SymphonyX (they rule), Rhapsody(incredible music),Stratovarius(songs are not bad and I love jen s playing),and others more !!! I am glad the neoclassical is back. By the way the most incredible actual guitarists are Malmsteen(the GOD),Kicko loureiro(incredible), and Romero Michael. And as far as sweep is concern I must say the guitarists from Rhapsody is really one of the best !!! 
 
Berklee Thu Dec 4 10:35:45 1997

From: Geetar at ts7p7.fda.net
Hey Elvis, I've been to some of their summer sessions and I have to say, the teachers are pretty cool. The stories I've heard about that place are kinda weird though...First they won't let you practice in the dorms (weird?!)..I have a friend that visited the campus in Boston and when he tried to play a friend's geetar in the dorm he caught hell!! I also heard that the practice facilities aren't as good as MI's(Hey, it's what I heard from former students) and finally, I heard that the first 3 years are just for bookwork. I don't know...last time I checked it was $24,000/year...I'd rather stay home and find a kickass teacher and buy some primo gear..but hey, apples and oranges.....I'm sure there are Berk grad's (I know some) that love it (I did like the Berklee summer session but only because I got to jam with some cool people) and they'll tell you that the school is the bomb but don't take their words for it (or mine) go and check it out for yourself... they have tours....keep swingin' yer pelvis and maybe the Bucketbots will come and disembowel you! 
What this site needs... Fri Dec 5 04:10:34 1997

From: Steve, Denmark at svs.svs.dk
...is for someone to edit out the more ludicrous and/or vitriolic posts more regularly; for the length of posts to be strictly controlled (eg 7-10,000 characters max); and for more people to contribute neoclassical/shred- based news and views. For example, Impelliteri have released a new CD EP (24/11) and full album (today, 5/12). The web page states that a new live CD and video are also shortly to be released. A review of UFO w/Michael Schenker on their recent tour would be much more welcome than the usual flaming too... 
Length of posts Fri Dec 5 08:50:53 1997

From: Edgar Vincent Lovecraft at van-as- 05a11.direct.ca
The length of the posts should definately be restricted. I try to read RF on a daily basis, in an effort to be well informed of interesting guitar news. Each time I am forced to download miles and miles of non-sensical, quasi musicology from a certain frequent poster which contain nothing of value or interest to the readers of RF. Now, back to Schenker: any one heard about a North American UFO tour? 
Reality Check Fri Dec 5 11:06:38 1997

From: Dan at bath-43.ime.net
Hi guys. Let's take a break from all this vicious mudslinging, and think about this: Michael Hedges (if you don't recognize the name, log off and don't come back,) died yesterday when his car skidded out of control and went off a cliff in Northern California. He was the epitome of an artist, and will be missed dearly. Too bad more people like him don't exist. That's all. 
Diving deep into a conspiracy... Fri Dec 5 12:07:30 1997

From: Elvis the Master of Mathematics at 194.110.38.79
Somebody explain......... Every human with even a bit of selfrespect owns Jason Beckerīs Perpetual Burn AND has seen the old Shrapnel ads with something like:"recorded at age of 17... blah blah blah..." So if Jason was borned in 1969 and the record was release in 1988 is MR. Varney trying to make the master look like even more of a master??? Not that I really cared... just wondering... 
 
Elvis is everywhere..... Fri Dec 5 17:21:20 1997

From: Geetar at ts7p30.fda.net
Hey Elvis, you might be happy to know that Joe Stump is one of the faculty members at Berklee....So, you can shred with him to your hearts content... 
CDs online... Sat Dec 6 23:39:23 1997

From: Elvis at 194.110.38.79
Anyone know a good place to order shred CDs online????? Gimme the address!!!!!!!! 
CD sale/trade Sun Dec 7 21:07:15 1997

From: Bruno Bissonnette at ts-30- sl3.si.usherb.ca
I'm selling/trading about a dozen CDs, most very guitar-related, notably by M.L. Firkins, R. Kotzen, etc. Send me a private e-mail for the list and more details. 
 
 
Here we go again... Thu Dec 11 03:01:14 1997

From: Steve, Denmark at svs.svs.dk
Since discovering this site I have always supported it and have previously found it to be a great place for information on new releases, artists that I have no previous experience of, and interesting and articulate debate on shred/neoclassically-based metal. Over the last 6 months or so, the quality of posts here have drastically decreased. Nowadays these fall into two categories: outrageously self-indulgent, verging on the incompehensible essays on musical theory; and pathetic bouts of personal abuse. I'm very sorry to say this and name names - but both these types of postings arise almost exclusively from messages left here by "13" and for sure that has been an unlucky number for this site. "13", I'm sure you're a very nice person but for goodness' sake, stop placing all this total uninteresting bull on RFO. It does not belong here. Read the mission statement given at the top of RFO again and again until you understand what we want here. Whether you realise it or not you are actually destroying this site and the sooner we can steer back the forum to NEOCLASSICAL/SHRED METAL (not funk! Y'all wanna funk site then go elsewhere! Since when did Malmsteen, Gilbert, Macalpine, Impelliteri, Norum ad infinitum ever play funk?) the better. By the way; John Norum should be live on the web today, check out the destination site for details. Anyone heard the new Impelliteri stuff yet? 
 
Yngwie, the symphonic album: rumour or fact? Thu Dec 11 17:49:52 1997

From: Steve, Denmark at svs.svs.dk
According to the Jart Music site, Yngwie's long-awaited concerto with the Prague Philharmonic Orchestra (I think) is scheduled for a late January 1998 release in Japan! Can anyone confirm this? 
to Steve Thu Dec 11 18:19:31 1997

From: 13 at morgoth.sfu.ca
I am really curious about this stuff Steve. I am totally curious to hear how Yngwie blended guitar sound with such an orchestra. Do you think it is something like Uli did?Or is it Yngwie? Does anybody know how many movements this concerto is, and whether it is a baroque or romantic flavour??? Are there drums in it? Or percussions? How many strings??? How many wind instruments??? I think Yngwie's fan club should post more info. I would totally want to hear cellos playing the contrasting melody to guitar lines. Cello and guitar combination rules. Because with violin, violin is very much attention catching instrument because of its frequency and sound. While with the cello you have complete range, from low bass notes to high soprano and you can always bow it to sound fluid.And because of that you can switch your foregrounds and you can play either as a solo or make a perfect blend for other instruments. And to that viola and you better know how to 'cancel' out sounds or otherwise it sounds mushy. that is the beauty of it.other thing is french horn. Having a french horn is just a beautiful sound to use for things like concertos. Because french horn has a warm quality of a wind instrument but at the same time has a frequency that cuts through and ties things together. I am so glad that yngwie wont use computer but will engage real performers into this thing. I think that is the ultimate goal of any composition. Have an orchestra willing to play your stuff for you.Anybody has more info? please post. 
Yngwie and the orchestra... Thu Dec 11 19:17:24 1997

From: Geetar at ts35p44.fda.net
It's gotta be true cause I've seen pictures in a Young Guitar magazine of him and the orchestra...I can't quite remember but I think that he might have his band as a backup as well as the orchestra...Kinda like Vai's orchestra deal....Hey, I can still listen... 
 
Yngwie concerto Thu Dec 11 19:33:41 1997

From: Steve, Denmark at svs.svs.dk
As far as I know, Yngwie recorded this not long after completing "Facing The Animal" - might even have been a little before - what surprises me is the relatively short time between (Japanese) releases. If the Jart Music story is true. I don't know who else is involved from the band but David Rosenthal (ex-Rainbow) may have done some of the orchestral scoring. 
 
tidbits Thu Dec 11 23:35:46 1997

From: theo at ww-tm01.proxy.aol.com
I hear that John Norum is back in Dokken! They're currently touring the US so I hope Norum can inject some new life to the band. Also, anyone hear Graham Bonnet's new CD? I'm curious to hear his version of the Rainbow classic Lost In Hollywood... 
 
Fri Dec 12 09:11:11 1997

From: 13 at morgoth.sfu.ca
Norum is underrated,,,Ps. did you hear Norum substituted George Lynch??? Steve, i didnt like that grungy album too, and got kind of dissapointed, but what do you think of Lynch's early stuff. I think his sound kicks ass and is very fluid and warm. he also uses these engle preamps, so they are pretty happening. Also, anybody has info about that Blackmore's engle preamp?? If you like a beefy Soldano, you might like engle more cause it is more smoother and goes to record better on tape cause it doesnt sound as harsh...And also anybody has info bout that George's seven string Esp? I think that is cool idea when you have an extra higher string so you can do all those caprices in same position. I am curious about that Rob's seven string.... 
 
Basing? Fri Dec 12 21:50:17 1997

From: Geetar at ts35p30.fda.net
Anyone hear of a band with the name Ishtar in it? Are they neoclassical or death metal? What about Ten? Or Spock's Beard? How about Morgana Lefay? Anathema? Visible Wind? Soo many bands in those Young Guitar magazines.... Which one's are neoclassical and which are crap? Help please.... 
 
Geetar Sat Dec 13 12:10:55 1997

From: Your name at van-as-08c05.direct.ca
Hi Geetar. First let me say that you are one of the last people left on this site who's posts I enjoy reading. Thanks !!! As for your question regarding all those bands that you mentioned: I keep very current regarding the European metal scene. Not only do I love the genre, but my friend owns an import cd store which really helps me out as far as up to date info goes. 
 
to art of fugue Sat Dec 13 17:20:15 1997

From: 13 at morgoth.sfu.ca
hey man can you post some stuff about fugue please. I know the most basic stuff about it so please feel free to fill more info. I think fugue is the greatest achievement of Baroque music. I think it is actually when somebody says baroque the fugue comes in mind. Except few compositions i never was into in baroque as in other traditional music cause i dont understand fully that fugue composition stuff. When I listen to that Bach, Fugue in C# major what comes to the mind is polyphony.It is a very systemized polyphony and it stems from imitative polyphony that was developed in Middle Ages. Renaissance composers kind of digged more into it and Baroque composers were so much interested in science and they totally developed it. As everybody knows a fugue is a systemized polyphonic composition for a fixed number of voices or instruments and it is built on a single principal theme which is called a fugue subject. and this theme appears again and again many times but each time it is in different instruments and voices. for those who know Latin, the word 'fuga' means kind of like "running away" and so you have to imagine the fugue subject being chased from one voice to another. so to begin that chase fugue begins with an exposition. In some books they usually say that it is in this exposition in which all the voices that are present throughout the composition present the subject in an orderly, standardized way. Now this is totally fucked up, cause when you compose stuff you dont compose parallel, ie all voices in the same time. Almost all people that I have talked to use the practice of working on one idea for lets say 15 bars and after they finished composing for one voice they go back and fill the other voices in. but that only works for a systemized composition approach. for those who know chiang and like adam study gamelan you know that you can have millions of other ways coming up with a basic idea. for example, you can use and throw the dice and you let either dice or coins represent musical statements. so if you want to study this kind of stuff go to library and pick up subjects that have to deal with John Cage and also indeterminacy and determinacy. usually these subjects deal with how much freedom performers have over interpreting the score but beside that you are going to find many other interesting things in between. I totally like to dig into dance books, cause dance books basically tell you all what art is about and ideas that work for dance even better work for music. (so it is not that i hate spandex cause it is spandex but geeze seeing 50 geetar players in old GP magazines with make up is just silly. I mean if they were tranvestites than that is cool, cause they are weird and at least they admit what they do and that is fucking cool. but seeing geetar players who pretend to be cool and wear silly stuff is just plain silly. sillier than mr.bean...) anyways back to fugue, one other reason with fugue being very complicated is that it is hard to have dance movements or dance to it. Because the rhythms are very spaced out throughout and because they are complex you just have to stick to the basic most simple rhythm. so if you go and pick up some barouqe dance videos you will see that there is not much movements happening and that movements are very strict. while with Strauss and Tscaikovsky you will see very systematic movements but they are very free and very eloquent. so if you like to think to analogies apply this to your fingers. Imagine your fingers dancing. if you happen to like baroque a lot then you are probably going to play very strict beat to beat precise movements.while if you try to go with renaissance you will flow over the bars so next time you play imagine your fingers as dancers. And it is just a matter of taste. for example, some people say neoclassical players are strict. To that i say, there is nothing wrong with being strict. It is an art form and you should appreciate it as such. To understand and play fugue, it takes 100 times more work than to learn how to 'free flow over bars' and improvise. So again and again i repeate myself by saying that there is validity to any art. Baroque could never provide artistic expression of microtones. In that respect a train passing by your window can provide more artistic expression with respect to microtones than the bach did. so take arts as it is. appreciate it. anyways, to go back, at a very start of a fugue you will see that the subject is very clearly introduced in a very systemized fashion. I dont know how it is introduced cause i havet been able to study it much but take it from there and do it on your own. then this subject appears in a second voice (remember the concept of chasing..) while the first continues with other material which is called the countersubject and this is very distinctive line that regularly accompanies the principal subject. so to notice the difference between the two countersubject usually have very specific particular rhythmic and melodic profiles. then the subject appears in the third voice and so on and on. so you end this exposition when all the voices that you have used in your composition have stated the subject. At intervals later in the fugue this subject again enters in different polyphonic voices so composing fugue as a total brain teaser cause you have to take care of all these things and mix em up so they sound fluid. and what is even more fucked up is that these composers really like to use modulation a lot and what they do is they put these subject entries in different keys. Whoa!!!! And that is the main beauty of a fugue because otherwise it would sound very dull and boring if it wasnt for these modulations. so in between these subject entries you have things that are called episodes and their purpose is to provide a contrast to the subject entries, BUT, the material is based and derived from the subject and countersubject. Another way to recognize episodes when you listen to a fugue is that they are usually less solid and sound less distinct so when you hear lots of things going on at the same time with not so clear theme than that is probably the episode and you will get them always if you listen to sequences. Once you hear lots of sequences going on at the same time then that is probably the episode. Now the high point: What is a difference between a good and a bad fugue composer??? ...You have to listen for how long this pattern of alternation goes on between the episodes which alternate with subject entries in different keys. How long this goes on depends on the skill of the composer. So you see how this is totally different from 20th century music where you have a composer such as Webern. Now Webern turned his music totally toward abstraction and atomization. And yes yes yes, my favourite music of all times is SILENCE........and no it is not the silence of the lambs. Listen to Webern and you will know. Webern music is so quiet so much that when you listen to it you listen to rests as much as notes themselves. and yes, his compositions are extremely brief and concentrated so you need like three cd's of him and basically you will have all the stuff. Art of fugue, I got some books about use of math with interval calculations and if interested i can post and share info. It basically has to do with representing intervals with int(s,t)= for example = 47/52 or any other mathematical value and using these formulas you can study for example Schoenber compositions and basically everything that has to do with intelligent composing. For me there are two types of compositions. One type derives from composing from instrument when you go by what sounds right to you as yo play. The other is abstract which comes from purely mind blowing stuff such as Webern. but since not many people here like more new stuff, lets talk about bach and his Well tempered Clavier, fugue in C sharp major. Now this is the fugue with a swing!!!!!!!!! so if you didnt know steve, bach was very a funky guy!!!! funk is everywhere!!! So in this fugue countersubject consists mostly of sixteenth notes so that a single long note in it makes a welcome rhythmic contrast. So since library is closed soon and they will kick me out i will just hurry up and basically summarize the things for you. So have your timer on your cd and put some gas in your cd and listen to this c sharp fugue. at 0:00 you will hear in exposition presenting the Soprano as a subject and then tenor and bass. At 0:15 you will hear the Episode 1. At 0:26 you will hear Subject again and then a cadence in a minor key. At 0:36 you will hear subject entries. and they will be deleyed in a bass and tenor and both of them in a minor mode. (sorry guys no polytonallity here) At 1:00 you will hear Episode 2 which is like i said before usually a sequence and in this case it is a sequence on the first half of the subject. at 1:05 you will hear subject entries. at 1:16 you will hear longer sequences on the first half of subject leading to the entire subject. On 1:52 you will hear subject entries same as in the subject exposition. At 2:09 you will hear episode one again. and at 2:18 you will hear Final subject. that is all folks for now got to go. If amir wants to contribute he should stop bitching about me and post some info.:-) 
 
to Dan, Tue Dec 16 16:27:52 1997

From: 13 at morgoth.sfu.ca
Hey Dan, since you like jazz, and this site is neo stuff, did you know that Darius Milhaud's "La Creation Du Monde" is the first european piece to ever include jazz elements in it? It sounds really funny, but think about it, the spread of jazz elements into the classical music which eventually influenced Stravinsky, Ravel, some Debussy....Now isn't that important cause you have all these things..and boom you have Django R. Django R. influenced Blackmore. Blackmore influenced Malmsteen. Malmsteen influenced millions of geetar players who will never give him credit cause he is fucking great. Now, see how all this is connected. So if I told you what is the corrennection between Edgar Varese and Satriani's introduction to "Surfing With The Alien"? Do you know the answer? Well, you have to go and dig into Varese, Stockhausen, Iannis Xenaxis, G.Crumb, and you will know. The problem with today's musicians is that they dont know how to give credit to people. And what happens is, because this society today is so fast, unless you grow up in some far back country (which is a gift these days) as soon as you are born you are product of something. And if you dont know of what you are a product of then you basically are doom to stagnate cause you will be rehashing something that has been done. For eg, if we didnt have Hendrix, fuck man we would play differently. He doesnt have to be your direct influence , but belive me he is more than direct, cause if you are a modern geetar player and you play electric geetar through the amp then there is no way hendrix influence didnt come to you. No fucking way!!!!!! And he was a total composer, cause his songs are compositions, but what i hate now is all the business crap that is happening around that they are trying to release some demos get rich quick kind of thing. What about his ex-band members? Do they get any share of the work? That is what is sick with america today. People have no values, if it is not in contract you dont get it. Same with court system. If you dont have a good lawyer, then truth doesnt matter, you go down. Reading that stuff about B.Cox just fucking disturbs me totally. he is the man to get all the credit today along with M.Mitchell and others and he should get what he worked his ass off. but you know what, even if he doesnt get it, he won the game. Cause such a beautiful person shouldnt be polluted and mixed with scum trying to get rich around Hendrix. Hendrix would have hated it. I think if hendrix was alive, the first people who would get share is his buddies. Not some freak who got lucky to have a contract. And all these scum like companies who try to say well look he used our product,we have a receipt and then make an ad out of receipt. I threw up man. I told myself I will never buy E.Ball again. Ever. Unless they change people who are responsible for the ad. they dont have any fucking respect. Hendrix was never about business, and yet even when he is dead these businessmen like some fucking sharks are still lurking trying to squeze every penny out of his name. that is why i think america is funny. but no doubt you get extremely smart people here cause environment permits you to do whatever you want, or at least as nobody knows. And apply this same thing to geetar shred. If you want to be a shredder, then dont stick to those 'cool' rules, like be a good guy and you will shred. It is like you can be a worst asshole in the world but still if you play like a demon to use steve words and if you practice and play then dont worry about anything else. that is why people reject malmsteen sometimes. Cause he is too good for them, he knows it, his opponents know it, yet nobody will give him credit....for one reason.Everybody knows it,I dont have to talk about it. That is one of the reasons I am not fully dedicated to neo stuff. I like to play it when I feel like it, but would never want to make a name along with the word neo cause people who supported neo over the years hate experimentation. I like experimental music a lot. That is why I think buckethead is cool cause he is creative. If malmsteen didnt xperiment then you wouldnt have what you have today. And if blacmore didnt burn his geetar like hendrix, play like a demon, use classical music and experimented with it, would we have malmsteen???? I dont know, maybe or maybe not, nobody can tell you. So, when it comes to neoclassical music I think you should go forward, not backward. I think John Williams is totally neoclassical. He takes modern pop movie songs and totally, incredibly, amazingly makes beautiful variations on them. Why? Cause he played so much avant garde stuff and experimented and found out what works for him and what doesnt. Same with Trio Loussier. Anybody here heard it? Kicks ass doesnt it. So, you have to experiment and find what works for you and what doensnt. The easiest part is to sit home and practice and rip of. That is for people who think that ditching canals is a creative process. and since i am talking about this, i am not afraid of ditching canals, cause that is a job to. better than selling yourself short for cheap pleasures. 
re: classical stuff Tue Dec 16 17:46:51 1997

From: 13 at morgoth.sfu.ca
So many people are just fascinated with this use of math with music but it doenst give me a hard on. It is like, anything you use, whether it is math, technique, recording equimpent, effects, all that stuff belong to "tool" department. Some people think that music is blowing over 50 million of chord changes. Well, think about it geetar! Is that music or a skill? I bet S.H. is a musician. I bet that he can play over anything but make meaning out of it. You agree? I bet there is 50 million of geetar players are just fascinated with blowing over changes but unlike Henderson, their blowing over changes is nothing different than putting your walkmen recorder next to a ping pong machine. That is why avant garde stuff doesnt work today anymore. Because, people get so excited over it, that they just touch upon it superficially without digging totally deep into it. In my mind, the avant garde is not an experimentation for sake of being different. Avant garde in classical music should be like this; if you feel like yourself expressing certain way and you know that that is the only way you can express yourself than you do it and dont care. You just release your ideas and dont care whether they sound dumm to somebody else. that for me is avant garde. Pure onesty,avoiding use of systematization just for the reason of being commercial but systemize for the reason of expanding your vocabulary, so you can say fuck yeah I did it. For example, i while ago I thought I developed a way of composing using stats formulas. Why on earth did i think that. Because i didnt know that has been already done by Iannis Xenaxis. But do you see what am i trying to tell you? I dont care that he did that stuff 80 years ago. Because you dont invent things for the sake of invention. The greatest things ever invented are the ones that are invented for the sake of satisfying some need purpose. If you have a need that you must satisfy than there is no other way. You sleep, you wake up, you take a dump, and voila something clicks and you have it. That is why i think, if you want to make abstract music, you shoulnd be overly concerned with the progress of other musicians.But you should know what has been done already. Cause I didnt know this Iannis guy developed fucking amazing system of composing. And that is why you should study it, cause instead of doing it yourself you can have a shortcut, but once you learn it, and learn it well, then forget about it, see what you find about it useful and move on. next idea, and this time try it yourself. dont be beating around bush just for sake of saying i did it. go forward. So what Stockhausen tried to do is to totally serialize music. Every aspect of it, pitch, rhythm, tambre, even went into electronic music and serialized the diagrams. whoa!!!!!!! what a genie! Same with Iannis. but totally different story. Cause Iannis was an architect and he used calculus statistics to derive his formulas. See if i knew this earlier, i wouldnt be beating around the bush. He developed a stochaic approach to music, but his books are so hard to get. If you get them somehow, I will pay you a fortune!!!!! Anyways, what I tried is way more simpler. But i think you should try simple stuff before you move on. So check this out. If you happen not to work with electronic music, then automatically you have a limited range. So if you want to estimate the position of the observation in a class you can use simple formula: L+(j-1/2)(U-L)/f If you are interested what this means ask me, otherwise I will just give you clues. Well what does this means? This means that you have a range and notes within the range. Now, regarding what tonal system you use you must determine with what DISTRIBUTION of these musical elements are you dealing with. For example, if you are tonic to dominant guy and like static voicings kind of thing than your 'distribution' of notes will be quite different from the atonal composition distribution. Which is, you have to determine whether your "distribution curve" has a MEAN (the avg. value) in the middle, or whether it is curved to the left or right. So you can have a BINOMIAL, or, STUDENT T,or CHI SQUARE DISTRIBUTION. Again these are just hints. If you want to learn more ask, or do it yourself. So now, you can see why you used these distributions. Cause in tonal system, you have 7 notes out of 12 constantly repeating. That means that if you play 5 notes outside of these seven notes as your background than you will "always play out of tune". Now, you can avoid "mediocrity" by making statement that you purposely avoid playing the right notes. that is what tweakes my ear. That is what makes me happy, if you dont like it, who cares i like it. And there you go. but if you play out of tune, cuase you have no clue what scale to play over what chord than that sucks a lot. so, to make this again clear, if you are going to make this cause you hate to learn to improvise scales in free form. See you dont do it cause you have no clue what you are doing, but there is an exact purpose to each note. Coltrane is God. they told him he plays all the wrong notes, and now, there is not a single kid today who is inspired by him. but he did his to satisfy his need. And that is why it kicks ass. So after you get your set with the range what is next. You have notes, you have rhythms, you have different tones, what to do. Again depending of your chosen distribution curve, you choose the right 'combinations and permutations' formulas. That means, that not in all cases you have same number of permutations and combinations. Ie. that is why 12 rules cause it just expands your elements so you can express yourself as you feel like it. So math is just a means of developing extra tools that you have available. So you can have a random independent or dependent probability, or you can have a probability from a sampling from a distribution. This again depends on your environment of composition chosen. If you are like composer John Cage and like to play a lot with that ancient book called "I CHING" then you should use independent random prob. formulas so you can get the correct amount. If not, dig into Chi square and t distribution and analyze and develop it. You should also acquaint your Central Limit theorem and know when to use it and also learn how to standardize your variables. Now when it comes to chance composition, you can use either a POISSON or EXPONENTIAL distribution formulas. That depends on the probablity of your how you divide your composition time span or whether certain tonal notes have a predictable occuring pattern. You see when you hear a composition you can say, fuck I dont hear sense here,but in reallity certain given notes are reapeating exactly at the same time over and over again and the piece is just fucking logical. That just tells you that perception that humans have is really a pathetic tool, so go beyond perception and look into the statement and how piece affects you. That is why electronic composers, such as Edgar Varese, and Stockhausen had hard time cause their music was so rich and other people were just totally unaware of what was going on. So you see it is not the composer's fault. It is the listener and to whom the composition is itended to. Tell Einstein t.of r. sucks and he will kick and shove the spoon up yer ass. So if you are interested about this topic of directing your composition to certain audiences then pick up a book by a composer and also math university professor called M. Babbit. So back again, get acquainted with these formulas but dont forget one thing. Schoenberg's greatest influence and idol is Bach. Bach used math totally but his composition are not a product of formulas. So if you think sitting home just using formulas will make you are composer, then you are one of those "lucky" people who get happy pretty easy. And that is cool to. But, it is all in yer mind boy. You can know this intuitively which means you are a a genie, but but there is not many genies outhere. So why not study from them? ...why?..cause I am a shredder and i play triplets...hahahahaha 
 
 
Subject: MAELSTROM Thu Dec 18 15:58:19 1997

From: members.aol.com/rawrecords at ww-tj04.proxy.aol.com
Enough words.... let the guitar playing speak for itself !!!! Hear MAELSTROM at http://members.aol.com/rawrecords
 
inquiry Tue Jan 6 13:39:45 1998

From: 13 at th121g.sca.sfu.ca
What happened to those Legato dudes? Is Quid Pro Quo releasing new stuff on other labels? How about Jeff Kollman? Is he going on to Leviathan or what? Whats up with Diesel? What's up with fusion stuff these days? Is it slowly dying as it already was since it doesnt sell? Are these fusion players going to turn to bluesy oriented stuff and go for European market. I think bluesy Robben Ford fusion kind of stuff goes well in Germany, Italy and countries like that.I keep hearing lots of good paying gigs there. What about that new 18 year old kid that appeared in GP? They say he is good, anybody heard stuff from him? Also to Ric, Happy New Year man!! Will Grosh Guitars be at NAMM this year?? Is Gabriel Martinez going to show up?? How about R.Longley??? Is he coming up with new album?? cool. What about this Daniel guy? Anybody has reviews on Power? How about Vestra? Any reviews on Elegy? How about Maelstrom? Any reviews? What do you think about the wavs? Also, does anybody know the tour info for Dokken? For some reason I think than Norum is too European for Dokken?What was the name of that cool dude that played with Norum in Dokken? Fuck that guy sounds very good.Gots lots of feel. It think he is from Texas or something. I think Norum and Hughes so far for me is the best stuff for kick ass ballsy stuff!!! What about Hughes? Any info on his current projects? Does he have a stable guitar player or Marc Bonnilla and other session players are involved?? Any fans of Marc? I heard some jazzy fusion stuff from some compilation and it is some very cool stuff. Speaking of recording, and writing " Finale" program just came with an update software. It is about 30 bucks and maybe you can get cheaper academic version so make sure you check it out. Hey geetar, are you alive?? I wish you happy New Yer' with lots of shredding on your strat and may you waste your frets on yer strat and burn your fingers. Geetar are you familiar with "Mike Henry and the Big Dawg Band"? I met and played with a geetar player and he is friends with R.Ford and Scott, so you might know them. Anyways, Buddy Miles (remember Hendrix' Band of Gypsies) played at Yale last month.It was so cool, after 50 albums or so the guy still comes and plays. That is the spirit. Not me this me that. Anybody else witnessed Buddy Miles?? Speaking of bluesy players make sure you check out Andreas Shultz. Matt Fernette, Andreas,Tony R.and bass player form Colin James did such a cool jamm 2 weeks ago.This Matt (session drummer, recorded for Loverboy, Tom C. etc) just fucking rules. It is like bluesy Randall S. Lots of soul in this guy. Anyways got to go and let you post. Tshcuss. 
 
can't wait Tue Jan 6 21:04:01 1998

From: 13 at morgoth.sfu.ca
How is that Yngwie concerto coming along? CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!Hey smdmf I think Facing is kick ass too. it is very progressive and by that on good side. Yngwie knows how to make progressive music interesting. So many bands call themselves progressive these days but I cant figure what is so progressive about them. That stuff is centuries old. Now, Mr.Master Steve Vai is truly progressive. He combined Varese, Stockhausen, Hendrix, BALLS!!! heart all that stuff in "Passion and Warfare" which is my #1 progressive album of the life. That album rules.Recording techniques, balls, heart, imagination everything. Not thschugg tschug crap,but real stuff. Eric Johnson is so fucking progressive it is fucking unreal. What a fucking sound? Anybody knows secret to his sound??NOBODY KNOWS!!!!!! What a genie,what a hell does he do with that chorus unit and a Dumble???phew, rules!!! and plus got that Texas feel too.the only remark with sound is clean chorus. I dont personally like that chorus clean because I like more of that Vaughan pure vintage twang. These days my #1 along with Carl Verheyen. Ynqwie's Facing is progressive on Holdsworth side which is way too cool. It is very balanced but there is balls and if there is no balls what is the point of playing that instrument called electric geetar. That is why I wouldnt classify Yngwie as neoclassical, cause neoclassical is just part of his playing, (which he by no doubt invented) but so far i think that Eric is way too underrated. but that is ok, cause that just means he is way too good. Got to go study "War Requiem" -B.Britten. If you want more info bout this thang mail me. 
Ladies And Gentlemen!! Elvis, has just re-entered the building!! Thu Jan 8 04:00:18 1998
From: Elvis at 194.110.38.79
At last Igor!!! No more butts and fat ladys, thank you. So... to 13 (who seems to be the only one here?!?!): I saw Elegy a few months ago, they were opening for Stratovarius it was sort of cool, proggish, nothing earth-shattering though... Daniel who?!?!?! Heard Micheal Romeo's solo album??? The Paganini thing is awesome!!! Gotta go buy some more Paganini CDs his concertos have so much amazing stuff...
More stuff... Thu Jan 8 05:34:04 1998
From: Elvis at 194.110.38.79
I heard this rumor that MR. Big has broken up and Billy Sheenan would be back with David Lee Roth!?! Anyone know anything about this???
Romeo/Paganini Thu Jan 8 13:03:43 1998
From: Igor at scproxy1.sc.intel.com
Elvis, I agree, that Paganini piece is Romeo's solo is the epitome of neoclassical. Anyone have it on CD that can sample it and put it online?
Romeo Thu Jan 8 14:31:29 1998
From: Elvis www.geocities.co m/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5770/ at 194.110.38.79
I put the Paganini piece from the Romeo disc online it can be found from the sounds page at my site. This album just rules. If you cant find it in your local stores you can order it(like I did) online from The Laser's Edge, they have it in stock as well as all the Symphony X CDs. Their E-Mail is [email protected]
Thu Jan 8 14:35:39 1998
From: Elvis www.fort unecity.com/tinpan/humperdinck/70/romeo.ra at 194.110.38.79
I checked the actual address to it... so there you go...
to my man Elvis Thu Jan 8 15:19:30 1998
From: 13 at morgoth.sfu.ca
Hey Elvis and Igor, Happy New Year dudes!!!!!! Anyways Elvis my favourite caprices are the 4th one 5th one and 16th one. I actually dont like 24th??? but that is just the taste. I think 16th one is the hardest to play with swingy fluid kind of way cause you have 4 string skips in the middle part. Great arpeggios and shit!!!! Talk about string skipping. Paganini Concertos???? I dont like Paganini stuff. I dont think he wrote Concertos Elvis dude. Mainly influenced folk motive stuff in vein of concertos. The best violin concertos for me when it comes to violin stuff is from Mozart and Vivaldi. Bach did great shit. Paganini was more of a "shredder"....hm...so far as I embarass myself.....Check out Shostakovich concerto shit. now that is hard. I actually think playing fast is easy. I dont see a big deal with blub blub bubbly sounding stuff. I think intonation is way fucking harder. so if you can have right intonation of shostakovich than that is cool. it requires way more concentration and dedication than sitting with metronome going tick tack. Elvis try to pick up a violin and try to play in tune......fucking hard. I am curious how come Holdsworth never talks about his "stuff"....he is like a serial killer, wont tell until you force him to speak. Anybody has info on early holdsworth childhood and those violin stuff lessons.....no wonder he rules. Anyways, one news, I read Mr. Vei is doing a new album and he said it is "the most intense ever". so there you go man. yo yo gak. try to play it with right intonation.coool!!! no got to go and spank my bad horsie......Ps. elvis man, i want to get your demo... i will send you mine in return, so send me e-mail cause I click on yer name here and cant get it for some reason.
cool shit Thu Jan 8 15:29:57 1998
From: 13 at morgoth.sfu.ca
Elvis check out Bach's 6 suites for cello. Totally fucking cool!!!!!!!!!!!!I think you can buy it anywhere. Also check out Polenc's Concerto for 2 pianos. Fucking beautiful!especially that middle gamelan part.....French RULE!!!!!!!!!
Thu Jan 8 15:58:19 1998
From: 13 at th121g.sca.sfu.ca
Check out new Jeff Kollman project "Truth" featuring Shane G. and Barry Sparks (of Yngwie). Also "Mastermind" has new stuff out so make sure you check it out. Also check out those interviews on their site. totally coooool!!!!!! Mahler rules!!!!'kindertotenlieder'....vector!!!!heraus!!!!!and no it is no zaus!!
Stuff... Thu Jan 8 23:53:12 1998
From: Elvis at 194.110.38.79
Man.... I've always thought that violin has been built pretty stupidly. Sort of impossible to play in tune. Even some of the dudes who are supposed to be some sort of virtuosos sometimes get out a terrible out of tune note... Or maybe it's just the fact that I've got these fucking old vinyls...heh...Shostakovich?!?!? I dont know, that dude looks too much like a professor or something...heh...the music sounded like math too... maybe 'cause I just woke up and rather listen to something more aggressive at the moment... Well I think the Paganini's Violin Concertos are pretty cool, the 2. one especially. I wanna learn to play that doublestop stuff... The first caprice is also cool... Yeah fastplaying shouldn't be a problem to anyone just willing to spend a few hours practicing scales and shit, just when you begin to get at least some sort of chops you sort of lose interest in it, well that's what I did... Well I still do it, practice like an animal, but I don't think of it as an ultimate goal anymore to be able play faster than light, or consired someone a good player just 'cause he can play fast. Gotta have more than that...You know, gotta have your bends, vibrato and intonation down. There are some players out there who just burn but have no vibrato whatsoever and I just hate them... And you gotta have that certain touch to the instrument like Malmsteen, Vai and the older Friedman stuff. I think that around the Megadeth's Rust in Peace album Marty was probably the best player around with chops, taste and the ultra cool weird Marty touch... Just think he's losing it... The newer stuff I don't like too much... Anyway....gotta go........
Fri Jan 9 13:06:20 1998
From: 13 at th121g.sca.sfu.ca
Elvis, I am amazed I must have mistaken you for somebody else. But the thing is that like Becker said past playing and technique gets put on the pedestal and then it is knocked down. Totally true. But the thing is if you like playing fast and shred then you should do so. For example, some guy at Yale told me to calm my nerves and listen but here is the thing. If course you have to listen but if you think that blues playing is just some totally sloppy shit played by some musician who doesnt even bother to spend time with instrument than that sucks a lot. I dont think that is blues.I actually think it is quite an artistry to groove and kick ass as Hendrix, or Vaughan, or 3 Kings did and do. That stuff is hard and requires a lot of passion and dedication. You dont get there by saying "i am a blues player i need no practice". However, also if you make it too cerebral than it also totally defeates the purpose of it. You just have to trust your "gut" feeling and take the Muhammed Ali approach and work on yer foot work. The secret is to hit and not be hit. You got groove and you got to phrase over time but do in unhibited totally uncerbral manner where your subsonscious takes over. Let the music speak for you. I dont think you can play for example like Greg Howe by being "cerebral" about licks. I think the best practice time you can ever do is be or at least partially try do be a "working" musicians. Because once sombody pays you for something then you got to provide that something. And there is a constant pressure to be good and in your shape so you dont slack of mentally. That it when all these pressures subconsciously manifest and then when you wake up you solve the problems you might have encountred in some past event. I mean, look at Lukather, Huff, and the like session player. Kollman is great too. No wonder, they kick ass because once you are put in an environment with pressure you got to perform. that is why playing country and pop gigs which pay good is way better for your musicianship then sitting home thinking you are progressing by practicing with metronome. that is just an illusion.For me it didnt work. but if it just the hobby then that is too cool. nothing wrong with that. I think it is easy (for those with $) to put out a cd these days. But how many of those people are constantly playing gigs weekly just for the love of it. So you see you can mix all then in session work.You can avoid business aspect where you have to maintain image and over the life have to stick to your trend just because you make living from what people expect from you. It is demanding, but if you love it is the greatest pleasure. But it is faulty when people say "you go pop route" when you play sessions. What do those people think selling out it? Getting paid 40-50 bucks for a gig. Is that really selling out. And it is way better for your musicinaship than anything else, because you are not concerned with the image cause every person is dynamic and changes. And once you do so...ups!!! how are you going to explain that to people who supported you in beggining. You see the problem with that here? Big one. You have to limit your personallity for sake of other people. That is a tough call. Look at Van Halen. While talking to a friend of mine I realized that I had bad reasoning habits. I realized that I should not expect Van Halen to repeate his first albums. If I want to hear that kind of playing again all i have to really do is pick up that worn down tape and play it again. simple as that. It is so cool to see that Halen and Yngwie and Satch and Vai are not repeating themelves.Same with McLaughlin. that is cool stuff. You follow your inner voice and if you are true to it, then it is just a matter of time people realize it. I still respect Nuno as much as i did before if not even more. Cause while "shredders" are sitting home and bitching about this and that my man Nuno gets outhere works his ass off and plays. That is secret Elvis, to do what you do now in next 50 years like my man Buddy Miles. At least that is the way I see it, which doesnt mean it is necessarily correct. I think it is cool to sit home and practice only and that only if you are going to study practice and work on your musicinship. I think that is the ultimate goal for anybody but I think reallity kicks in and practice is a luxury these days. Truly a luxury. That is why you first go step by step Elvis and each step at its own time, so you can deserve that luxury once you pay dues and deserve to have that kind of luxury.and that is real stuff in long term.Anything else can only be relevant in short term. there you go, now you can understand the great appreciation for Eric Johnson. Truly a master. It is better to work on your musicianship during your whole life then try to do flashy stuff so just you can succeed before your time. And by succeed I mean nothing else but do your own thing and be happy with your direction you develop.that takes true art and years to do, so Elvis if you want to go after this you have to relize that there is going to be many people who want to put you down. But like Slash said if you have that "hazy" goal then you just go after it no matter what even if everybody think you suck. That is why I sometimes dont necessarily agree with use of "neoclassical" along with the concept of just picking up a guitar and practicing with a metronome.that is just one step out of hundred steps you have to take just to get somewhere. Now Elvis, did you check out Stochelo Rosenberg and Trio Loussier? Go and check it out. Stochelo, Birelli and Boulou are truly Gods. Truth!!!!they rule!!!!!!

Pablo inquiry Mon Jan 12 12:14:46 1998
From: 13 at 142.58.206.57
..flipped through the guitar magazine and seen the most hillarious picture ever!!! Anybody has info on that "King of Clubs" thing?? totally hillarious.......is it shredding thing??? Also I am curious which Dweezil stuff is cool to get?What albums do people here especially like. He does some cool shit man. He taps so tasty like a monster plus has that beefy sound. .Hey Bruno, what do you think of Buckethead's Arcana project?? ..Pharaoah Sanders a replacement for coleman??? ..also anybody catch Scofield with Pattitucci and Wayne Shorter on those awards on tv?? fucking Scoffield ruled!!!!!total fusion!!!!
..neo stuff Mon Jan 12 12:28:38 1998
From: 13 at 142.58.206.57
I actually think neo stuff is subdivided into categories. There is like Yngwie approach where you write songs. People like Impellietteri and most new bands try do that. Than there is Becker approach where you get all those atonal arrpegios. Maybe like Romeo kind of stuff. Then there is the V.Moore kind of thing, like McAlpine like of thing where you have those melodic chord progressions and stuff.Then you get Marty approach, oriental kind of stuff. What do people like here? I actually think "Minds Eye" rules when it comes to neoclassical kind of stuff. Same with Marty stuff. For some weird reason Î dont like that chugg chugg approach to neo stuff. Do you know any albums or player like Moore or similar who were not mentioned here?????Also has anybody heard that Daniel Dalley guy???
to Steve Mon Jan 12 12:58:50 1998
From: 13 at 142.58.206.57
Hey Steve, when it comes to Lynch what kind of stuff you like??? My favourite stuff is Wicked Sensation. I am not into Dokken that much but I must say when it comes to playing a humbucky geetar over a Marshall and coming up with fluid sounds nobody comes even close to him.The solo album is next to wicked. Steve, what do you think about Lynch' soloing style. I like that approach when you improvise but go for feel and during improv attack and concentrate on certain notes however while it still sounds improv. That requires lots of taste so when it comes to soloing approach I think he goes after same kind of feel as Yngwie (but of course both are different on their own). plus i dont consider lynch as shredder. I think he has lots of taste. Now what bugs me is that i picked up this mag reading about this new Yngwie and I dont fucking know why people say "is shred back" ..like they are trying to associate every player with amazing skill with some negative attribute like shredding means bad thing to happen or something. I think record companies are too afraid of skilled players????..anyways I always kept wandering how come everybody tries to attribute shred to Yngwie?? Why dont they do same thing to halen or vai??? same with Lynch why people try to classify Lynch as a shredder?? I think M.Angelo is a shredder. Cause at his clinic all he did is talk about technique and licks...I dont think that Lynch cares about that stuff. I think he cares more about what the music sounds like and I think he is total maniac when it comes to sound. Now that aint a characteristic of shred stuff. I dont think Marty is a Shredder either. I think these players have their own qualities on their own. Shredders are people like Angelo, Impelliteri, becuase when i watched their stuff they never made any reference to chord progressions or sound setups or composition but just solos and technique. I think Chris writes some pretty good damn neo songs tough. But i dont like fast solos. I like slow stuff but that is just the taste. Anyways, I just wanted to let you know that i dont think it is fair to attribute Shred title to every player who has great talent and skill. Becuase it is an insult to all other aspects of their music. I think V.Moore is way too underrated these days. I think he did the right. He proved everybody that he can have amazing chops. Yes at that time everybody said technique this technique that blah blah,...whatever, my man Vinnie shredded his guts out.Anyways but after he proved he can play he showed everybody that he can play other styles as well. Now, you see how some of these guys are not 'fairly represented' cause just because you have shred album out doesnt mean you are not a musicians.It is just a project featuring some technique and that is it. Like paganini when he did his caprices. he could write other stuff as well, but reason why paganini was successful is because he was a prodigy when it comes to talent. And composition (and by that i dont mean cheap lame pop songs) doesnt sell because 0.0001% of population understands it. So when these mags brag about shred as a negative thing they dont realize is that technique is what sells. A 13 year old kid is not interested in some 12 tone or something. so i think these mags owe Jens and MacAlpine some big fucking apology. but that is ok. let them have their Green Days and Spice cows...sheep.
Mon Jan 12 14:16:21 1998
From: 13 at 142.58.206.57
Here is some cool shit Elvis. check out Daniel at Guitar Nine website. He has got wavs and a review there so do it man. Fuck I need a soundcard....anyways elvis replace the pelvis and let me know what you think. anybody into neoclassical should check it out. go daniel, go daniel, go daniel . Now, anybody heard that band Power?
..die hard german fans... Mon Jan 12 14:44:13 1998
From: 13 at 142.58.206.57
anybody into cool geetar thing heard of a german guy called Helmut Krumminga????tasty stuff. He was featured years ago in German Gitarre and Basse so make sure you check out those imports. Also, anybody here knows of Karl Allaut??
Lynch/"is shred back?" Tue Jan 13 03:00:18 1998
From: Steve, Denmark at svs.svs.dk
13, I really liked Dokken's old stuff from Tooth and Nail up to Back for The Attack and loved George Lynch's playing. Although not fast, "Without Warning" is probably my favorite "introductory" musical piece ever! He was inspired by Yngwie after that time and learned quickly - but like Malmsteen did not sacrifice melody for speed, nor neglect his songwriting (I always classified Dokken as sort of an American UFO with faster guitar...!). Although Dysfunctional had a couple of good songs (Shadows of Life is an excellent track) their last one was total garbage and I hope Lynch returns to form in his solo career. I actually don't have any of the Lynch Mob stuff, I was a bit disappointed when I saw them live really. Very standard LA metal, but I'd like to give them a fair hearing now. As for the Yngwie new album = is shred back? thing, well, what do you expect? He is the most famous exponent of "speed soloing" and let's face it invented shred. Let's be realistic, 'though: grunge and MTV still rule the airwaves and I don't foresee a huge resurgence of interest in shred, 'though I do think/hope/pray that "classic" metal (including Yngwie, Impelliteri etc) may get a better profile over the next couple of years. Surely even the grunge movement is getting tired of being so maudlin for so long...! Lastly, I can think of one very good reason why shred may be equated by some with a negative vibe: most shred players cannot write good songs and the concept of melody seems to have been forgotten too...
Neo-Pelvisal metal madness Tue Jan 13 06:15:25 1998
From: Elvis at 194.110.38.79
Yeah I listened to the Dalley dude, nothing earthshattering, at least not on those samples. Is Ron Thal any good? I'm gonna order a few CDs and was thinking of getting the Adventures Of Bumblefoot... Also I'm gonna get the Vital Kuprij album at last... Also Greg Howe is supposed to put out a new album this month, it's gonna be a neoclassical album, should be something like the Kuprij thing.
to Elvis- Tue Jan 13 12:34:12 1998
From: 13 at morgoth.sfu.ca
Ron Thal rules boy!!!!! fucking total genius boy. you should hear his atonal stuff!!rules. he and bukithed should do a project together. you should hear that chopen thing ric played me. great technique, but this guy totally composes his stuff. I hope Varney's Interference comes with more projects like that dude. not a tick tack shit. check out his note subdivisions dude. coool!!!!!
13 Thu Jan 15 02:15:10 1998
From: Elvis at 194.110.38.79
I was talking about the release year and Becker's birthyear, not that he couldnt play that stuff at that age. I still think there some weird stuff there. Perpetual Burn was released in 1988 and becker was born in 1969 and they claim it was recorded at 17. Maybe they had the tapes lying around there for a year or two before putting it out?!?!??! Dont think so...
Hi :) Thu Jan 15 08:09:37 1998
From: MIchael Melloff at ppp-108-134.villette.club- internet.fr
I had no time to record the demo and most of all , I have no drummer :((( But right now, I am trying to do a band , and there is only the drummer missing(really hard to find) And those two lost month, I haven t practiced at all, I just jammed so I am gonna try to practice again and take some classes with my Git professor(he rules).Adis , I would love to hear you playing so send me a RA at mmelloff@club- internet.fr.Bye !
to my man Michael Thu Jan 15 15:37:24 1998
From: 13 at morgoth.sfu.ca
hey michael, just finished my demo. I can send you some tapes and I usually have a drum machine going tick tack and sloppy wail over it. I got lots of empty tracks.. You want to add your licks to it? Please!!! tell me if you have a Tascam or Fostex. would be totally cool!!!!! first pair of two neoclassical dudes to not see this as competition............
...speaking of Git proffesors Thu Jan 15 15:41:18 1998
From: 13 at morgoth.sfu.ca
....for me top 3 Git dudes ranked in random order: 1.Scott 2.Trovato 3.Keith W. (telecaster mania) so all these guys play telecaster, (even Scott i think) Now lets see how many people can kick ass on clean tele going through dry Fender?? OoOps!! They Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuule!!!! Hey Michael who is that Git dude?????
Impellitteri-NEW CD Sun Jan 18 18:44:41 1998
From: Brian Labrecque www.rapture.net/impellitteri/ at 1cust53.max26.los-angeles.ca.ms.uu.net
Impellitteri-Live! Fast! Loud! CD Sun Jan 18 18:58:14 1998
From: Brian Labrecque www.rapture.net/impellitteri/ at 1cust53.max26.los-angeles.ca.ms.uu.net
Finally, by overwhelming demand, The Impellitteri FanClub will make available the first "un-official" live CD. This is NOT a release by VICTOR-JVC, it is a product made available to fans ONLY from the New England Music Express and select distributors. The CD contains 74 min. of live Impellitteri, gathering the best performances from the "Answer to the Master" and "Screaming Symphony" Tours. Although this is NOT a soundboard recording, a D.A.T. recorder WAS used so it is 100% PURE DIGITAL!!!!!!. You hear EVERY sound, EVERY nuance, and all the audience screams! This is A MUST for any serious Impellitteri Fan. You may have seen Bootleg CDs selling in Japan for as much as $75!!(WHAT A RIP-OFF!) but we have put together only THE BEST performances from both tours on one CD. We ARE NOW taking ORDERS for this CD, ORDER NOW!!!!!(ORDER THRU FAN CLUB PAGE, MERCHANDISE SECTION) c-ya!!!
Impellitteri-'Shed your Blood' Music Video Sun Jan 18 19:06:43 1998
From: Brian Labrecque www.rapture.net/impellitteri/ at 1cust53.max26.los-angeles.ca.ms.uu.net
Impellitteri now have a music video for 'Shed Your Blood'. It is not for sale YET. I have seen it and it ROCKS!!! Tons of live footage. If it becomes available, I will post it on the WEB site. C-YA!!!!!!
speed sucks, ....unless it is played by me. Mon Jan 19 14:08:19 1998
From: 13 at morgoth.sfu.ca
...adopting some of that kenny wayne impelliteri attitude....heheheh..just joking. That is problem with americans, they take jokes serioiusly. Anyways, do people think that impelliteri is the fastest dude or what??? ...for me the fastest dude ever to make music is the Gambale guy. Speaking of 'musical' technique I dont think anybody could go with gambale and jam some high level musically meaning technical stuff. I think that is why because he doesnt care about technique but about making music using techinque so the technique comes quite naturally. Same with God-Holdsworth and Pat Martino too. Hey Amir, what Martino stuff do you like more?? early or later after that brain thang. I like his early stuff more....agree?? When i look that impelliteri thing, it like the guy forces to play fast. like totally inhibited, no freedom whatsoever. it is like same with michael angelo. When i seen his clinic the guy is like here i come. It is like when you take a dump. It is like they prepare themselves to play fast as i prepare myself to take a dump.So next time you take a dump,..remember the feeling. The fastest dudes ever to make music: yngwie, holdsworth, MacAlpine, gambale, lane, vinnie moore, becker, uli, may, stochelo rosenberg (musically fastest of them all....and no i dont say this to compare them to others but just fascination of mine), lagrene, ferre, django and the list goes forever. When Norum bends two notes and when Gary Moore bend 2 notes both of them tell you more music than it is possible to say with fast jibberish. Albert king is the man. Big band music, kick ass voice, kick ass sound, kick ass playing. dudes you should really check out lucky peterson. anyways, what do people think about speed here?? is it a good thing? if it is what kind of speed are you talking about?? is it the kind you like stroke strings like you stroke your right hand like my man amir, or is it delicate speed with finnese. Since impelliteri claims that he has no competition whatsoever, I would be really curious to hear impelliteri play that first tune by gambale on the 'great explorers' where in the middle of the song gambale doubles fast precise unison lines with keys..holy smoke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! totally ultra clean precise. I dont think that impelliteri could play NEARLY as fast. but of course, stupid me, i just say that cause i am jealous. sorry. :-) Yngwie is fast, but i would rather say he and Norum play with balls. When you hear them play, your gonads must be shaking or somethin' ..totally smokin'. So I think playing fast where you cant hear notes it the most utter form of 'cheating' ...are they really playing fast, or it is just that low life forms of life like me cant hear those notes??? I think you can only practice so much and the environment and genetics take care of the rest. when i see some people play fast they dont seem to be natural at it. they are like forcing it too much. it is just painful to look at. here is a thing. I never heard heard Albert King play like Holdsworth and the other way around. yet I like em both as much cause they are totally natural. pure natural talent. if you are natural to play slow then play slow. if you are natural to play fast then play fast. you can get 'fake' speed by metronome, but your finger tone ultimately suffers so that no good, yuk, phew, ..same with slow playing you can like play just few notes at slow tempo but that doesnt mean you like make music or anything. or like those shred Reh videos when people bend strings and think the feel is how hard you bend string. it is like if you bend hard then you have feel. that stupid, no good, yuk, phew, When you become uncerebreal is when you kind of express yourself. and like yngwie said you cant practice it. Wake up every day and play every day. that is so simple as that. wake up, play, record, jam, chicks, dont sleep,play, record,jam, chicks, play record, jam, chicks, go another week without sleep, play record jam chicks, then play record, practice,play record practice, no chicks, then jam jam jam, then go internet,then play and there you get the picture. geetar players think to much poser ego these days, think too much poser image these days, think too much poser business to much days, nobody wants to come and jam some dives and i am stuck with 60 year old horny women telling me how i have a big nose :o( (that round thing is my big nose, true story, some old fart methusela approached me but she stinks like shit so i say no, say no to drugs, say no to alcohol, say no to old fart hemorroid women) That is what I want to see geetar go these days. Everything that has to go geetar these days is publicized in magazines. Now what is wrongo with that is people take media values for granted. I think people who write those mags (like Guitar thing, they threw of .for the practicing musican. Geeze, they threw their title away!!!!holy smoke, something is cooking bad,something no good, something wrong) are bunch of university graduates, their daddy paid their way to git, so they can learn blues...hahahaha, so they can have a cd, hahaha, so they can get a record deal through family connections, hhahaa what else their daddy pays... jenny jones so they can get some i am not fat councelling advice or something. It is like geetar thing became too much school, to much crap, no more rockn roll, play practice jam record chicks play practice record kind of attitude. it is like you are nobody unless you have a career. so what? i dont have carreer either amir, but at least i play every day cause i feel like it, if it sucks, it sucks i dont care but i think if you play everyday eventually no matter how you suck you get better. and i dont play with intention to get better, just fuckin play, record, go few blues jams and same shit over and over again cause i feel like it. if it is a POSER for you then not only i am a lightweight poser, but Heavyweight poser indeed. but what pisses me off is this constant competition in neo stuff. I want to hear more people brag about their songs than their image. got to go rap some crap. word up. ps. dudes post some info about that Daniel Dalley and Maelstrom please.
George Bellas - Mind Over Matter Thu Jan 22 02:19:46 1998
From: Elvis at 194.110.38.79
George's second solo album Mind Over Matter is gonna be released in 98 it features Dean Castronovo on drums and Barry Sparks on bass. Coooooooooollllllllllll!!!!!!! Drum machine on Images & Words?!?!?! Have you forgotten to take your pills man??
George Bellas Thu Jan 22 09:41:17 1998
From: Edgar Vincent Lovecraft at van-as- 06a09.direct.ca
Why do people think that George Bellas is so great? I've heard him on the Mogg/Way album and his playing is atrocious- bad phrasing, bends out of pitch, etc. I also heard some of that solo album and it's more of the same. Is he popular with shredders simply because there's currently a deficit of competent guitar players? This must be the case!
to dan ...computer stuff Thu Jan 22 20:47:02 1998
From: 13 at morgoth.sfu.ca
hey my man dan, I kind of thought what you said of computer stuff and I have to say that now that I thought i kind of agree with you, but up to the point. i dont agree that using computer to make music for live performance ie using orchestra is good, because if that is the case then anybody can do it and if anybody can do it then there is not really any talent in there is it??? How about this...use computer to make music that only computer can do so that it becomes totally a valid point. So instead of writing some crappy pop sounding progressions over a computer,like many people do these days, you kind of use computer so you can directly work at the micro-level of timbre. the problem is that usually each type of electronic syntesis has a 'sameness' to the sound produced and does not offer you a variety of unique and new sound. So chuck that concrete stuff to garbage, cause you cant transform and manipulate sound effectively. However, you can use veils to solve this problem, so you use unmanipulated acoustic sounds in order to avoid this electronic synthesis limitations. When you use extensive multitracking lets say 180-280 tracks then it kind of allows you to work with each track in an analogous manner to waveform manipulation where each harmonic is controlled individually. ..Talk about Vei and Frissell.....So if you change instrumentation of the tracks one at the time you can make small changes in the timbre of the texture. That is why this 'stick' bass that trey gunn played was sooooo cooool. Man you should check out their heavenly sounds!!!!! + groove. However, if that bass was fretless it would even be better cause you have these total microtones happening. and when you get microtones happening, what do you get???? yes, you are a smart cookie- tibre. Looking at this predominance of microtonal tunings you can see that ear is unable to disentangle separate frequencies or pitches. And if you study through history, you see that alternate tunning systems establishes the idea of thinking of microtonal tunings as a way of building timbres as opposed to new resources for organizing melodic material. but then again, i like to hear when somebody plays out of tune,, whatever that is. playing out of tune is cool. totally tweakes your ear. playing out of tune not knowing you play out of tune sucks. so if it doesnt tweakes your ear and you cant hear you play out of tune then that sucks. your hearing sucks shit then. but if you can hear it then it's coooool. Anyways, what else can you do with this shit. yep, with close miking you can increase the noise component of the sound so that it masks the notes and prevents the ear from disentangling separate frequencies. However, the coolest thing to do with this computer is to use the extensive choral effect where you record each note of a chord from 4 up to 16 times so that ensures that all aspects of each note, pitched or unpitched, become a continuous wash of sound so that notes of chords appear to fuse together perceptually to form one continous sound. That is why it is going to be totally cool to hear how Yngwie blended his monster ultra cool geetar sound with the orchestra. was he using digital or analog for this???? should be digital but i dont know, so POOOOOOOOOOOOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
George Bellas Fri Jan 23 02:54:58 1998
From: Steve, Denmark at svs.svs.dk
RE: E. V. Lovecraft's comments on George Bellas - different strokes for different folks, perhaps, but I totally love that Mogg/Way album and for me Bellas is the most promising new player I've heard in years. I accept his phrasing could be a little better in some places but surely that will develop with time? He plays with speed, "feel" and melody - AND writes good songs too! That'll doo for me bro'...
Steve / George Bellas Fri Jan 23 11:58:01 1998
From: Edgar Vincent Lovecraft at p052.netinfo1.net.ubc.ca
Hi Steve, It's true, different strokes for different folks, I guess, but what I really don't like about Bellas' playing is the out of pitch bends - the telltale sign of tone- deafness. Sure he's fast - so what, so is anyone who practices scales to a metronome beat long enough. If you want to check out an awesome guitar album featuring Mogg and Way, check out UFO's last album, "Walk on Water". The allways excellent Michael Schenker is in fine form, and never bends out of pitch, because he has the natural musical ability which cannot be learned.
A P0ST THAT TALKS ABOUT WHETHER KICK ASS PLAYERS DEPEND FROM CULTURE TO CULTURE Fri Jan 23 14:14:53 1998
From: 13 at morgoth.sfu.ca
How do you acquire musical skill???? sittin in room practicing? going to git practicing? spankin you monkey not practicing? Will improve your right hand pickin but not musicianship big fella. You get musical skill through an interaction with a musical environment. And this skill is constructed from of a base of innate abilities and tendencies. Every human advance involves a building on what is already present. Therefore, learn copy rip of everybody. But that is only a beginning point. and dont listen to Michael Angelo when he talks about ripping off and making your own identity. He learned a Gary Moore lick and instead of finding new musical statement he fooled around with "image crap" of thumbflicking. That aint inventive. Holdsworth is inventive. Uli is inventive. Vai. Zappa, Yngwie, you get the point. No image No crap just music. That is all it matters. of course you need image cause of business crap but still they put music in first place. Move over, punk, the type of learning we are capable of at any age is determined by generall features of our intellectual equipment at that age. So how do you explain this cognitive development??? yes you know, through ordered acquisition of new 'genral' congitive abilities and structures.So if you want to look at musical development, look at linked general changes to cognitive domains. Yes amir, you studied psychology, you know what i am talking about, but you will not acknowledge it in public, cause you are afraid to admit it in public?? right dude?? right!! So these sequences would account not only for the precise musical behaviour found but also this depends on culture, motivation and opportunity, but for the 'types' of musical activites to be found at particular ages in virtue of the general cognitive capacities they require. No wonder, Japanese kids rule at classical music. Cause of the culture, discipline, focus, concentration everything. and as soo, they become the top players these along with Germans. No wonder gypsies are the best improvisors in the world. Just look at the environment and genetics and talent. Holy heaven that is totally cool!!!!!!!!I dont know why people are afraid of this kind of discrimination...I dont care, I see what i see and I am just onestly expressing myself. Every culture has its own bueaty and you should take it for what it is and totally respect every culture and worship it. Dont look at it in negative way. Dont be afraid of truth. The reason ther is so many poser american shredder....just look at tv. when you turn on tv what you see. You see, pussy, chicks, cool syndrome, i am this i am this, young kids grow up disilusioned looking at that WWwrestling thing,imaginig they are superstars. Media makes everything superficial. Here in states everybody wants to be some kind of hero. Some kind of inventor. Every geetar player wants to invent things, yet it is not the desire to invent their motivation to invent but the image of being and intellingent bullshit crap inventor poser. Just shut up and play geetar. That is a true rare invetion to find these days. So what about this development crap adidas, and how it relates to neoclassical posting on rfo?? well here you go. human development is characterized by both separate streams of specific skill acquisition which is possibly supported biologically determined mechanisms plus waves of symbolization, where achievement in one stream 'spills over' into apparently unrelated streams.. The streams are largely linked to and supported by specific cultural roles. Within each stream explicit instruction or tution is common. The waves, however, seem not to be culturaly salient. Rather, the spillage accross skills seems to be spontaneus. So while Django was into painting, a typicial american geetar playing worries about his harcut on his picture. Kodaly rules!! thanks god, he made it a requirement that kids sing in early elementary education. In my country too, you have to take music class up the grade 8. There was no choice, you just had to do it. If you didnt, there is a kick up your ass, and slap 5 accross the eyes. American kids, too much weining. Mommy this mommy that crap. What mommy will shred for you too.??? No wonder russian piano players rule! no mommy crap. First there is shared set of primitive capacities which are present at birth or soon after. Second, there is shared set of experiences which the culture provides as children grow up. third, there is an impact ofa rapidly changing cognitive system as many other skills supported by the culture are learned. so if you go to a school in socialist country what do you do?? you have to take all kinds of courses. There is no electives, no crap. if you flunk one course out of 8 there is no next year. there is slap accross the eyes and you repeat whole year all over again. And when you acquire one skill relating to one skill totally related to music than that skill affects your music. Havent you guys heard of Charles Ives?? Charles Ives totally smart dude. His day job, not music, nothing relating to music.Yet he invented and composed kick ass shit in this century. Yet, so many geetar players worry only about music, yet no invention whatsover, cause they are just lazy and just want to shred. posers. Your ability to play good technique doenst relate to how much time you put in practicing. It is how much brain and thinking and passion you put into practicing. How can you be motivated to kick ass by going to git and WATCH other players kick ass. Shouldnt you be home inspired to kick ass so that other people can learn from you, not you from them??? oopops. that aint arrogance, that aint trying to be a hot shot, that is a reallity. It is desire to learn what is important, not what you know. What you know is nothing. What you want to know is everything. Geetar players these days concerned to much with their poser ego and what they know. Nobody wants to admit they suck so they can progress some more. no that is bad they say, you got too much ego. Bullshit, people who say that are posers trying to pretend to be ''good'' guys or something. Now, that breeds mediocrity. So this training thing, if you want to become a kick ass neoclassical player, involves a self conscious effort on the part of the person concerned with the specific aim of being more accomplished. So SEEK METHODS FOR INCREASING YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS. sending tapes to magazines, trying to promote yourself is not accomplismnent. Beating yourself over the head how to get better is. And when you are good and you can prove you are good, then people will pay you for your service. No poser, i am this that crap. that is why yngwie rules and will rule!!!!!!!!!!!go yngwie go yngwie go yngwie!!!Anyways, every knows that talent is born. You can only practice so much so if you try to play fast and fast for years and you dont then dont be stupid. play slow. Play slow so you can be a better musican and once you are a better musician it doenst mean it doesnt matter whethere you play fast or slow.Who cares??? I will always listen to parisenne walkways rather that poser crap by poser people who play poser licks by some unnatural poser technique. same with 'slow' players, i would rather listen some monster like shawn lane who is fucking naturally fast (but can play amazing slow stuff too cause he is so fucking talented) than some blues sloppy guy who at yale tells me not to play arpeggios. Fuck that poser!!!!!anyways, for those who want to know more, it seems that babies are here selecting quality of sounds as the criterion for attention, ie smooth treble register sounds, so that is why mommies speak in higher voices i suppose. so if you have a baby, let your baby listen to some meaningful frequencies like some classical music, not some rap crap or some wank shred. that will spoil them for life!!!!!! then too much spandex posers will be circulating around. the earlies sign of intentional music like behaviour seems to be the ability of some babies to imitate sung pitches. A much more common behaviour which could possibly be musically relevant is the ability of infants to mimic the intonational colour of speech. No no no i dont mean finger vibrato dude. such intonational babbling is primarily composed of microctonal pitch glides, smooth movements accross range of pitches. So you see microtones are natural step. Music should be just some fucked up block frequencies. it is all the range that counts but make sure you know what the high points of the range are, so you can bend in tune too. But dont bend in tune. buddy guy is coolest. reminds me of hendrix. the best geetar player in to world. any blues player who denies buddy as a blues player (cause he uses od) is a poser who needs spanking his ears. moving over, the first striking change in overt behaviour begins at the age of 18 months when spontaneous singing begins to occurr. the main characteristic of this spontaneous singing is the use of discrete stable pitches. these pitches are joined in sequences to form simple intervallic patterns. child at this age usually begun to speak, but words are not used in spontaneous singing which suggessts that musical development at this age is proceeding along a genuinely separate 'stream' to speech. At this stage there is no evidence tht children are to imitate heard songs. Rather it seems they are experimenting with melodic interval construction. Most frequent intervals initially used are seconds,major and minor thirds. so if you are still stuck writing songs in major and minor keys then you have a brain of a baby. Totally undeveloped. so go listen to some charles ives and develop that things that stick from your left and right side of the head. dont listen to barney crap. to cheesy melody fucks up many musicans, so there is many pop bands thinking they are actually making good music. yuk!!! maybe for 13 year old kids or something. Dont be rhythmically deprived and melodically challenged. try to sing scoenberg.fuckig that stuff rules!!!!!!!!no wonder, german guy. hated posers too. american people listen to to many folk tunes. too many ini mani mo things. (except ives, partch and rare cool dudes like that) hymns and melodies are made for soldiers with no brain and socialist workers so they can sing and work and die working for 30 bucks a month. That is who melody is intended to. Not musicians. it is just a form a brainwashing. Fucking i had to learn all this socialist crap songs when i was in school. fucking ugly pigs...but let them have their sheep.... that is all they will have in their life. posers. anyways, third and fourth years of life child develops imitative capacity to the point where whole songs can be repeated. So if you are a dad, and want your son or daughter to be a kick ass neo player, then teach them songs around this age. develop them at this age. dont teach them licks if they are out of context. they will just sound like nintendo crap,so dont do it. make sure all you teach them in this age is through a context. By the age of 5 , spontaneous song declines dramatically in frequency of occurence. kids become more self conscius and are concerned with avoiding error and achieving precision in imitation. So if your kid can sing beautifully by this age so beautifully that you want to bring your friends so they can hear your kid sing...DONT. You are going to fuck up the kid and kid will become inhibited. Same happened to me.that is why i dont sing. i can sing but i have severe fucking self conscius complex when it comes to singing. ...but i am working at it slowly. so people, dont inhibit your kids. rather learn some psychology and through psychology train them so they can become kicks ass monster musicians. CONFIDENCE THROUGH LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS MOST DANGEROUS THING IN WORLD. .. so make sure you know what you are doing and how you train your kids. If you think you think you are a rock star and you know everything, think again. There are a number of possible consequences of this concern with precision and repetitiona at age four to five. One is that child is focusing on and using maybe for first time the characteristics of a song which are determined by superordinate structures of tonallity and rhythm. altough the behaviour of a child may be seen externally static, it is very likely that he is using his knowledge of and memory for, exact pitch and timing relationships to build up knowledge about higher order structures in music extracting a new level of knowledge about scales and keys, and about rhythm and metre. So if you are dad and mom who thinks some nice jazz will help your kid, then YOU ARE WRONG. it is going to fuck him up for life, kid will get confused and rather create all sorts of musical problems. Rather, simple classical tunes are good. no rap, no crap, no rock. maybe simple pop, but simple pop doesnt want higher frequences but stupid drum machine sound so it is better to develop ears throgh classical music. another consequence of concentration on precision is that spontaneous musical experimentation may well ceaseto play any further real part in a person's life after the age of fine unless is is specifically encouraged. (gypsies, know their stuff. Rulers of improvisation universe). Western culture does not provide may opportunities to improvise. Much more importance is placed on shared reproduction of well known music (like i said fucking hymns, fucking socialist pigs, ritual singing among football supporters, american posers, the classical concert sub culture, rich snobs and posers who drive porches etc..) anyways, I am being kicked out of lab. Got to go. Make sure you practice your damn instrument by age up to 23. After age of 23 no amount of practice will help you acquire talent (maybe skill, and skill is a poser thing compared to talent). After age of 23 if you are no good. then give up geetar. Who knows, maybe you have other talents and you become some new Einstein or something???? better than poser geetar player.....I hope this post stays on. I hope freedom of speech is still possible.....maybe not here.
to Adis...computer stuff Fri Jan 23 16:40:24 1998
From: Dan at ww-tm01.proxy.aol.com
With all due respect Adis, I disagree with your statements about computers. Sure, 'anybody' can sit and whack away at a keyboard, but NOT everybody can sit down and come up with the IDEAS to put in the computer. I wasn't talking about blindly entering information into a machine. I'm talking about coming up with IDEAS (melodies, chord progressions, rhythmic concepts, etc...) and using a computer to help execute them. Not everybody can do that. If you don't have the IDEAS to begin with, then it doesn't matter if you're standing in front of a computer screen, or a symphony orchestra, or strumming a beat up acoustic. Whatever means you have to use to get your IDEAS across, just do it! BTW: I do enjoy Charles Ives, and have read some really interesting studies of his music, particularly the "Ives Omnibus" principle that he used in so much of his music. See ya.
MAELSTROM Fri Jan 23 21:13:58 1998
From: Mike S at ww-ta03.proxy.aol.com
You can hear .WAV file clips from MAELSTROM at this web site.... http://members.aol.com/rawrecords Hope you enjoy and thanks for the interest.
Giorgio Bellas Sat Jan 24 02:12:56 1998
From: Elvis at 194.110.38.79
Hey dude George rules!! He's not Jeff Beck or anything... Heard Beck's 'Cause Ended As Lovers?!?!? TERRIBLE BENDING!!!!!!!!!!!! Not one note in tune, somebody help that guy... I can't understand how he has become so popular.
Elvis Sat Jan 24 10:11:24 1998
From: Edgar Vincent Lovecraft at van-52-2020.direct.ca
I'm going to have to agree with you on the Jeff Beck issue, Elvis. "Blow by Blow" contains some of the worst out of pitch bends in guitar history. Still, whither the George Bellas admiration?
Bellas Sun Jan 25 01:28:54 1998
From: Your name at van-52-1918.direct.ca
How can you two guys compare Jeff Beck to George Bellas? Yikes!!!! Bellas is a non musician, & while Beck isn't a chops heavy player, & imho quite overrated, he says more with a few notes than Bellas could say with a million sweeped harmonized arpeggios. If you want to hear about a few of the new up & coming players, check out my reviews on the Prepetual Motion Msg Board, as I won't waste them on this place...
to Dan Sun Jan 25 15:50:20 1998
From: 13 at mus.wopac.20.library.ubc.ca
Hey Dan, when I say computers I relate them to technology. I think only people who have mastered non- technological principles should go forward. The rest should master simpler stuff before. For example, any foo can sit home and record cd these days. All you need is no talent, no practice, cd burner and be a suck up suck up kind of personality to get a deal. Ie. instead of making music you worry about politics crap. So instead of 'working' playing, studying, people resort to 'do it quick' kind of attitude. They don't want to spend time jaming, gigging, recording with real musicias so if a geeter player doesn't want to do that, then I don't think that geetar player does notdeserve to be filling the shoes of people who do the real thing. I know plenty of musicians who can just kick ass. And then some kid shows up with some ego attitude influencing some new generations on some fictional ideas from some ficitional world. Don't you read what is going on. That sucks. I rather go to stink holes and dives and check clubs and 'venues' checking out poser crap. Same with computers. It is like anybody can press 'execute' and hit the return key on computer, but how many people design that program that enables you that 'return' performs the function. And then what next?? Another generation wasted, worse than the previous one.....
Bellas/Schenker Mon Jan 26 03:08:48 1998
From: Steve, Denmark at svs.svs.dk
More controversy: I really like Schenker's playing so when "your name" (I think, it was a while ago) said that the Walk On Water UFO album was much better than the Mogg/Way one, I really looked forward to it - especially since in the 80's, UFO were one of my favourite bands. I recently got the UFO CD and guess what? REALLY disappointed...a couple of good songs ("A Self Made Man" rocks, as does "Pushed To The Limit") but mostly very average. And what's the point of re-recording "Doctor Doctor" and "Lights Out"? I wasn't too impressed with Michael's playing either, he is capable of much, much better. Now, I'm sorry, but in contrast with Bellas' soloing AND SONGWRITING, I would recommend Mogg/Way's "Edge Of The World" over "Walk On Water" by quite a long margin. EOTW has some truly great moments - opener "Change Brings A Change" is superb, "Spell On You" amazing and for speed freaks...gotta hear "Gravy Train". Interestingly, the European edition of the new UFO CD contains "Fortune Town" from Mogg/Way and that rocks over the vast majority of the indigenous material. I will have to admit, 'though, that I actually preferred UFO's material with Paul 'Tonka' Chapman - I just thought the songs were better (only "Obsession" with Schenker was truly excellent throughout - y'can't really include the live album), and for sure I am in the minority there...
Steve/UFO Mon Jan 26 15:00:35 1998
From: Your name at van-as-04a06.direct.ca
You prefer the Chapman era UFO to the Schenker era stuff? You like Edge of The World better than Walk On Water? Ay caramba Steve!!!
Shred improvisation?? Mon Jan 26 17:23:58 1998
From: Your name at ww-th01.proxy.aol.com
Adis, I don't understand your remarks about the improvisational element in shred. Especially when you use Marty Friedman as an example! I like Marty alot, but if you think his solos are improvised, you are sorely mistaken.
Subject: IMPROVISING Tue Jan 27 07:23:35 1998
From: Jim RockHead at hb-to01.proxy.aol.com
I noticed the two posts about improvising shred and neoclassical. Some days ago, somebody here posted a WEB site with sound bytes. I visited it and you can tell the one band is defiantely improvising the solos.... they are wild and all over the place. There were a number of wave files there, but the one I am talking about is DEATH WALK by Maelstrom. The URL address was posted on RFO some days (week?) ago... I don't remember it or have it here now. It was worth checking out.
Patrick Rondat Tue Jan 27 07:23:37 1998
From: MIchael Melloff at ppp-102- 95.villette.club-internet.fr
This guy is great live ! I ve seen him in a showcase and in the amphibaia tour . he also release a truly incredible guitar metod :) He is also very friendly as I talked to his 2 times !!!!!!!!!!!! PATRICK RONDAT RULEZ !!!!
Tue Jan 27 12:46:29 1998
From: 13 at morgoth.sfu.ca
ever heard of right brain approach/?? Check out the Geetar School lesson with Marty friendman where he talks about unconsciousness and atonal cool shit. Cool!!! and no on megadeth it doenst seem the solos are improvised.I know that dude. I know every his lick dude. my first geetar shred buddy called Srdan Mitrovic back from Brcko showed me all these cool shit legato oriental sounding lines.Niksa Bratos (the session player from Crvena Jabuka) used couple of Marty licks here and there too. Amir, this Marty is like mix between Brian May and Uli for me. I think the dude is improvisational but when it comes to recording his high level proffesional projects, he knows what he is doing. But i think when he is on his own he improvises. he seems like that kind of person. joe diorio kind of stuff. listen to that go off' cool atonal stuff.
melody crap....... Tue Jan 27 13:16:47 1998
From: 13 at morgoth.sfu.ca
What are the constraints of melody????? What dictates it?? Nobody knows, like i said you are just a channel. ...but the requirement is that it must be capable of communicating rhythmic and harmonic structure to a shredder poser. Melody is generated after rhythm and harmony have been determined. But dont be naive to think that a poser shreder concieves harmony and rhythm prior to melody in all cases. Altough a poser shreder may sometimes be constrained by harmony and rhythm there are some times when glass of milk (drink milk!!!prevents arithritis so you can bend harder. how can you bend hard if you are bent hard???...oh no people, no..:-)) kicks in and harmony and rhythm are derived from a melodic idea. This thing that rhythm and harmony are synthatically prior to melody does not rest on the obsrvation on how a poser shreder composes his stuff. It rather means that this relates how a poser listener who listens to a poser shreder is affected so you have to consider what the musical product is. The number of melodies within and idiom is much greater than the number of harmonic and rhythmic sequences within the idiom. You can have same harmonic progression but thousand of different melodies. Dont you listen to Shrapnel records?? Check out that instrumental songs on Cacophony and Apocrypha. These dudes are psychos. they can read each other minds. holy macaroni!!!!!!!!!!Other thing is that it makes sense to talk about harmony without melody or rhythm without melody. But only if you have a brain of a 13 you will talk of melody without harmony. To normal people it doesnt make sense to talk about melody without harmony. But then again who gives a fuck about harmony??? If you cant imagine a harmony over a top of it it is your fucking problem. i dont have to define every fucking word in this post. Most people with low intelligence can understand the meaning of this post without me even defining any sentence. So if you cant understand what i am talking about that just means you are blessed. Halleluya or somethin..When a poser listener listens to a poser shreder shred, a poser listener is trying to hear a melody (..not on my demos) and this poser listener is trying to process this melody trying to retrieve the implicit harmonic and rhythmic structure. In contrast, you can hear a chord sequence without an attempt to recover an implicit melody. The reason many unposer fusion players like my girlfriend bitch elmira sound like nintendos is because they are trying too hard to make a melody over some cheasy music. People who are fascinated with 'look at me i can play politically correct jazz wannabe stuff" are just people who see things totally opposite of what jazz is intended to be. you dont learn jazz from books. every foo can go to ward music and by a fake book. every foo!!instead of it you dont learn it. you live it. you wake up and you go to jam. and that for the rest of your life. these capilano college dudes are too funny dudes. you laugh all the way to the bank. it is like i know few dudes who go to cap study jazz yet they never show up to yale and jam. that is the real stuff.Not sitting in front of some teacher who will brag you about his carrer and blah blah how you should respect him and blah blah, yet when you mention him that he should also respect some other dudes like all these phenomenal cats like God Albert King, they kind of look at you in a funny way. That is fucking poser bullshit. Same with Scofield. Somebohdy mentioned on that new scofield video how Neil Young was funny..and then Scofield made a remark about his playing. Now that is funny too, Scofield is the top fusion player in the world no doubt, but he could not play a rock tune with balls to save his life. So these 'new generation' jazz players read too many history books, and instead of being superficial they should get out a little more, have some chicks drink some bear play some jams, instead of just sitting home trying to be intellectual tarts. That aint intellectual. that is called depression dude. you got to be stupid to be intellectual, not poser intellectual who wants to be intellectual. hail rockn' roll!!!!!!!!!
UFO and the art of vegetarian communism Wed Jan 28 00:42:58 1998
From: Steve, Denmark at svs.svs.dk
So, "your name", I'm a vegetarian communist? Look pal, when the time of the great carrot rebellion is nigh you'll be the first up against the wall...but seriously, I have realised my views re: UFO w/Schenker vs. Chapman are very much in the minority: just remember, I'm not making any statement about the guitar playing, just what sort of stuff I like. "Obsession" apart, I personally found the songwriting in UFO to be more consistently good in the Chapman-era..."Letting Go", "No Place To Run" (the album version sucks, I have a radio broadcast live version that rules!), "We Belong To The Hight", "Dreaming", "Diesel In The Dust"...ol' Tonka could write rad tunes and make no mistake. Funny thing is, Schenkers songwriting became way more consistant when he went solo. The first two MSG albums are great! Maturity, perhaps? After all, "Obsession" was his last UFO album before leaving and that is simply excellent. Incidentally - just got the Jap version of Facing The Animal by Yngwie, and the Jap Impelliteri EP, so expect some reviews soon on these...hey, new news!!!
Steve/Schenker/UFO/Vegetarianism Wed Jan 28 11:06:12 1998
From: Your name at van-52- 2310.direct.ca
The great carrot rebellion? Ha!!! The purvayours of fine meat by products & the Pork (it's the other white meat you know & not to be mistaken for Rush Limbaugh) Product Association of North America will topple this Communist plot before it has a chance to pollute the minds & the spirits of the youngsters of the world!!! Anyway, You may be interested in checking out some of the pre Schenker era UFO cds: namely UFO, UFO 2-Flying & Lands In Tokyo-Live. The songs aren't very good & the guitar playing is average at best, but it's a must for any UFO fan/collector. As for Schenker, you should check out Written In Sand, his newest solo cd. Talk about a gorgeous tone. I haven't a rock guitar tone this good in ages, if ever. Oh yeah, & the songs are pretty good too. Now get thyself to the nearest restaurant & eat your weight in beef...NOW!!!!
...open your eyes and listen Wed Jan 28 13:27:57 1998
From: 13 at morgoth.sfu.ca
any of you dudes ready yngwie interviews??? no. of course. Yngwie constantly makes remarks how it is important to listen, so I kind of wander how does Yngwie listen to music. I also wander how do people in general listen to music. Ie. is there a difference when geetar player listens to a piece, or if a piano player is listening to it differently, or whether a composer listens to it totally differently than a performer...kind of thing. There is difference how a critic listens to a music vs. how a musician listens to a music. Critics are usually superficial. simple reason. they have no clue how music was concieved.Otherwise if they did, they would know what kind of joy music provides and instead of criticizing they would be making music. Critics usually go with the flow. Usually critics make remarks how musicians go with the flow, but the truth is it is always easier to give up music and criticize other people because you have a mental problem then be true to yourself and continue playing for the rest of your life. that is why these jealousies are always present in critics. i hate jealousies. I wish every musican health and happiness whatever kind of music they make. i am glad that somebody found a path to follow in their life. Critics never do, and they know that but will never admit it. that is why they never do. Anyways, if you want to look up to some kind of influences, dont read mags and critics. you will get totally opposite picture.let me explain why. the first point has been made and that is critics listen to music differently than musicians.critics are superficial and just look for some theory crap cause that is the only thing they know. For example when you go check out an orchestra play you see one person who hums very softly and sways gently back and forth while they are listening. Some other person listen completely still, makes no visible expressions whatsoever and just stares. But then again there is another person who closes eyes, puts head back and just absorbes music like it was a seance. Dont you wonder what goes inside the head of these people. Do they listen to very superficial side of it or are they in trance on some other plane???? here is an article that i read : "...most Americans do not hear consciously. In England it is considered important to make class distinctions. In order to make clas distinctions you have to be able to hear different accents and tonalities. So English people are more accute in hearing tonal changes. Most people in US..are only aware of pictures, feelings and internal dialogue in response to what they hear". This is the quote from the book "Frogs into Princes" by Richard Bandler and John Grinder whose new insights into the use of the sinses have been applied effectively to both therapy and corporate planing. So like i said, if you want to improve your skills as a musician dont just sit there and practice your instrument. Go to school learn totally unrelated stuff to music because what happens is that there is this spillage of skills so if you advance in one field, your brain layer develops so that the other skill is advanced to even if you didnt practice. You develop memory. No wonder why so many musicians have trouble memorizing licks and notes. You have to use that mass you called brain and memorizing songs comes quite easily. Who said you have to play song 100 times. Do it 3 times effectively and that is quite enough. Quite enough that you can play in 4-5 bands simultaneously,..only if you make practice effective. Anyways,back to topic, these two dudes say that people who are billingual and polyglot also have special tonal sensitivity, which might partly explain why Europeans most of whom speak two or more languages, seep generally to be more receptive to the tonal subtleties of classical music. No wonder why all chezk and polish dudes i know are into classical stuff. That is the only thing these people that i see listen to. no wonder. that ..plus Hendrix. everybody likes Hendrix anywhere you go! So what is a typical North American?? It is studied that typical north american is visual. that is why when american audience visits a concert hall they usually try to visualize things. no wonder why many operas these days invest more money in visual equimpent then they are willing to invest in musicians. I friend of mine, a kick ass bel canto singer moved back to Italy. apparently he sang 'too emotional' so these americans more concerned with visual aid then trying to be more 'receptive' to music. I now man has opened his own school back in italy. teaching bel canto there..better than singing poser bad sounding Turandot shit everybody likes to watch. I guess visual stimulation is american thing. No wonder why so many pointy geetars and fluffy hair styles. This strong visual sense may explain why much of the standzard orchestral repertoire on this continent is made up of music rich in imagery. Eg. Tchaikovsky, Wagner,RAvel, Debussy, Mahler, STrauss, Stravinsky even Ives whose double and triple layers of music are highly pictorial. Now, what this Micheal C, man is saying is that it is not bad to visualize or have feelings while listening to music, but quite contrary, the more of the senses one employs the richer the listening experience will be. But what happens people start ignoring sound as a short change of this thing that the whole music is about. WHOLE MUSIC IS ABOUT SOUND!!!! you can develop your hearing easily but you have to bring it into the awareness. Now, if you really want to know what i am talking about then go and pick up some CD's from George Crumg. This dude is in the monster. he composes totally space music.When you listen to his music you go to another dimension. Ie. you forget about this crappy world (no no i am not that gloom and doom guy) and leads you into world rich of sound and space. Try to listen to his music from a rich fresh perspective. Dont have any preconcieved notions when you listen to this guy. let his music take you away, and you will know what i am talking about. So if you are a jazz player having trouble to compose using different instruments then try to visualize instruments and the whole band on stage. I think this will happen and it will just click in your head. If you cant hear it, then try to visualize it and i think it is going to click in your head. So use this simple idea of overlapping form one sense to another, so if you are a die hard music fan and all you care is listening, then more power to you, so try to recall the feeling of the concert hall and a detailed visual image of the performers and the conductor so that this will bring the sounds you heard back into your memory. Senses are like a river. You have more ideas and these ideas flow into sea. if you can recall trees and you can recall mountains they you can recall what the river is and what it has in it. ie.characteristics. One of the fascinating discoveries of therapists Bandler and Grinder is that our eyes go up when we make mental pictures, down when we talk to ourselves and feel emotions, and to the sides when we hear. Knowing where we are 'wired' in this way can help us detect the acutal sensory processes we are using at any given time, even when consciously unaware of it. You can ask your friend for help too. You can experiment by asking each other sensory based questions and noting each other's eye movements. you can also find that placing your eyes in auditory position you can stimulate auditory sense. So the position of your eyes can be your aid to your listening.This is only a device to help you be more aware of your senses and you use them, but will not be a short cut or secret formula for musical understanding. You have to spend time with it. The more time you spend with listening the greater apppreciation and insighs you will find in music and the sooner you will find your individual way to respond to it. 'What actually goes on inside you when you listen is probably something we will never know, but when the music is your private refuge where you are free to enjoy yourself WITHOUT HAVING TO ANYLYZE WHY!!!!!!' ...PS.next post i will post what are the most effective eye ball movements to read music scores. ie. when you sight read barouque piece your eyeball movements are different than when you sightread homophonic piece and then that different when you read Bartok. it is all a matter of technique of controlling your eye ball movements, not some ini mani mo thing sitting at score and looking like a cow staring at it. tshuss..
Paul "Tonka" Chapman Wed Jan 28 21:53:54 1998
From: Edgar Vincent Lovecraft at van-52- 0706.direct.ca
A long time ago, I was privy to watching Paul Chapman play with Waysted when Waysted backed up the mighty Iron Maiden during "Somewhere on tour", back in ~1986. At the time, I thought that he was just another poser who played a hot pink guitar, although the experienced was doubtlessly colored by gallons of alcohol. A few years later, I heard Paul's work with UFO and was most impressed, particularily with the song "Mystery Train". Seeing as Paul Chapman and Michael are both decent rock guitarists (in my opinion, MS is probably the best rock guitarist today), why on Earth would Phil Mogg and Pete Way settle for a horrible, out of pitch, squiggly, speed burner like George Bellas to do their guitar work?
UFO/Schenker/Bellas debate Thu Jan 29 08:02:41 1998
From: Steve, Denmark at svs.svs.dk
I've heard a little pre-Schenker UFO stuff and frankly I thought it was pretty dreadful, so I'm not gonna waste good money on stuff I know I ain't gonna like! EVL, again it comes down to personal taste - I like what I've heard of Bellas and feel he could become a "great" player - but I am intrigued by your claims that he bends out of key. Can you give me one or two specific examples of this on the Mogg/Way album? I must say I haven't detected anything that sounds out of tune. I haven't got the new Schenker album but there is a song from it on the European edition of "Walk On Water" and I must say I was not that impressed (can't even remember the title!).
To that one guy and the other guy or is it just one guy... Thu Jan 29 12:46:04 1998
From: Elvis at kaktus.vtkk.fi
I dont hear too many shitty bends on the Turn Of The Millenium BUT I did hear a lot of them on the Schrecnkcnkser's live album that I had and sold. Maybe there might(?) be something to be desired in Bellas's phrasing but he aint tonedeaf piece of crap that you said... You actually like Beck?!!?!?!? Whooa scary...
Also... The European release date for Facing the Animal is 9th of February. Finally...took forever... Thu Jan 29 12:56:40 1998
From: Elvis at kaktus.vtkk.fi
Yngwie info on release of Mellinium Fri Jan 30 07:02:07 1998
From: JF at epsom.jsp.umontreal.ca
Does anyone know if it's gonna be mostly baroque and if there's gonna be lot's of shreding ?
Millenium Fri Jan 30 12:23:34 1998
From: Elvis at kaktus.vtkk.fi
The thing that's gonna be pretty different between the concerto and the usual Yngwie stuff is that he has wrote the stuff out and there shouldn't too much if any improvisation. He said himself that playing that way made him really practice for the first time in his life. I'm really looking forward to this stuff. I heard that it's gonna be released in Japan in a couple of weeks and in Europe in March. Don't know about US probably same time as Europe?!?
SHRED SIGHTINGS AT LA NAMM SHOW. Fri Jan 30 23:03:30 1998
From: Ric Grosh at b93.ecom.net
I just got back from the LA NAMM show, and there was sure a lot of shredders there. Michael Angelo, George Bellas, Bret Garsed, Neal Nagaoka, and several others that I don't know their names. I went to the Double Wammy Trem both and saw this incredible shredder that has the smoothest sweeping I've heard. I was looking and listening and I thought I had seen or heard him before, so I saw his name tag and I saw that it was Neal Nagaoka, who I found out from one of elvis's posts. He really is a great player. I also got to shred for him too for a while. There was another really good player with him (I forgot his name) that was doing stuff like Garsed. I didn't get to see Bellas in person, but I am going back on Sunday, so maybe then. Speaking of Bellas, I listened to most of his CD and decided not to get it. He is really great technically, but I really couldn't get into most of his music, and his solos seem kinda one- dimensional and the bad intonation and frequent out of tune bending got to me. His playing also seems to lack passion and emotion. I like players that show their emotions, like Yngwie, Vinnie Moore, Howe, Michael Lee Firkins, Becker, Satriani, Adis, etc. There is a couple of real killer songs on the CD though. Of all the newer shred I like Michael Angelo's "No Boundaries" the best for incredible playing and memorable and melodic songwriting. Neal told me about some Japanese guy who he said is the most incredible he has ever heard. Like he is from another planet in terms of technique and more, but I don't remember his name. I will try and find out on Sunday. It does seem that this technique thing is so far out there that it is getting kinda pointless. There are sooooo many advanced shredders now... I wonder why none of this shred fad has not spread to the acoustic guitar yet? Where are the next DiMeola's, Strunz and Farahs, McLaughlins. Most shredders are very disciplined, and I know some of them could surpass those masters some day. -Ric
Yngwie-quickie Mon Feb 2 02:42:29 1998
From: Steve, Denmark at svs.svs.dk
Check out the yngwie.pd.net music site for an interview with Yngwie on his forthcoming Millenium Suite project; and for poll results on the "Facing The Animal" album.
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"Facing The Animal": a review Tue Feb 3 03:21:26 1998
From: Steve, Denmark at svs.svs.dk
I was lucky enough to get the Japanese edition of Yngwie's "Facing The Animal" album last week. This is due for worldwide release in a week's time, minus bonus track "Casting Pearls Before The Swine". I have listened to it constantly since getting it and feel that it is, at the very least, one of Yngwie's best yet. I was frankly rather disappointed with the songwriting on Magnum Opus but "FTA" is a marked return to form. And then there's the guitar...but I'm jumping the gun. The album begins well with a celtic-flavoured fast-paced rocker, "Braveheart". A good start: but it's the title track itself (second song in) that immediately impresses one with the fact that Yngwie is back with a vengeance. Shred? The opening solo is incredible, a classic blend of melody and speed, and ther's more to come too: a great uplifting chorus with suberb keys, unusual vocal production in the verses...you forget the main riff is lifted from The Osmond's "Crazy Horses" 'cause Malmsteen has made it all his own. Frankly the whole album just goes on like this: "Enemy" is distinctive for its 7/8 time signature, whilst "Sacrifice" is just incredible. And you remember how Malmsteen makes the ludicrously complicated (for us mortals, anyhow!) runs an integral part of the song? Then you'll love "My Resurrection" too. "Only The Strong" is also especially noteworthy. This is a mid-paced track where the verse is essentially drums and bass only, with Yngwie putting in some really neat little fills: but, and here's the great bit: most (all?) of them are NOT FAST: there are some fills that are pure blues, whilst another sounds like Ritchie (Blackmore) just mosied on in...and the thing is IT ALL MAKES SENSE!!! See, you don't HAVE to speed, speed, speed the whole time if you can say what you want with two, three notes: and Yngwie more than proves it here. That is not to say Yngwie has lost his rapidity on the fretboard, as you will hear throughout...the main album closes with a good fast number with solo to match, whilst the bonus track is also a fast one but with a distinct neoclassical riff. Not worth losing sleep over if you don't have it, but certainly not superfluous to requirements and nice to have. Other points: the production is good (better than the last couple of albums), although the closing tracks (Poison In My Veins/+ bonus Casting Pearls Before The Swine) sound a little muddy, Cozy does a fine job hitting things in time and the vocals are great. It's not a perfect album: the lyrics to "Heathens Of The North" are very silly in places (good song, though!) and "Alone In Paradise" is a bit naff, whilst the instrumental "Air On A Theme" seems a little pointless: but these criticisms are extremely minor, inconsequential in the context of the entire album. The bottom line is that nobody does this stuff better than Malmsteen on form and "FTA" makes that very clear indeed. You'll love it. Can't wait for Millenium Suite...
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Joe Satriani in San Francisco 3-14-98 Mon Feb 9 21:45:25 1998
From: Gianna http://www.best.com /~gianna/resume.html at slip99.srmc.com
just fyi - Joe Satriani will be at the Warfield in San Francisco 3- 14-98 (Einstein's birthday -btw) -Gianna Walker (San Jose, CA) Gianna Walker @ the Abrupt Edge
UFO in San Francisco bay area 4-16-98 Mon Feb 9 22:37:36 1998
From: Gianna http://www.best.com/~gianna/

at slip99.srmc.com

April 16th, The Edge, Palo Alto, CA U F O (one of the only dates in America) http://www.club.net/edge/LiveMusic.html
Subject: Kickin Ass Guitar Rock Music Wed Feb 11 18:11:53 1998
From: Jim Rockhead at ww-tk04.proxy.aol.com
MAELSTROM !!!! MAELSTROM !!!!! YEAH !!! http://members.aol.com/rawrecords
Stuffffffffffffffffff(Enufffffffffffffffffff f's????) Tue Feb 17 06:12:42 1998
From: Elvis www.dalleymusic.com/ at 194.110.38.79
Though it would seem like good therapy for you to talk to yourself forever I'll interrupt you.... yeah sorry.....now you wont get a new record for most post in a row from the same dude(or number) Go to the dalleymusic link listen to the stuff and mail Daniel Dalley himself and ask him if he can play :) FACING THE ANIMAL RULES!!!!!!!!!!!
eh...elvis ..elvis...'drmaj' pelvis :-) Tue Feb 17 08:22:11 1998
From: 13 at th121g.sca.sfu.ca
hey jarane wazzzzz up? Facing the animal does rule!!. my memory sucks today, but i LOVE that last instrumental song.What a beautiful chord progression and then you have geetar playing few notes than that awesome weeeeeeeeeuuuuuuooooouuuuu slide up the neck bending with the most perfect intonation...phew!!!! TOTALLY SCREAMS!!!. 5th song is like that too. I like the second one too. Actually i like everything, but just depends on the mude dude. Anyways, i am planning a trip up the moon.Care to join? i will bring 3 cd's with me> these are the ones: made in japan deep purple. 2. made in japan deep purple (in the case the other one scratches 3. made in japan deep purple (in the case the other 2 scratch 4. everything from hendrix 5.made in japan by deep purple. anybody else going to the moon???
more stufffffffffffffffffffffff Tue Feb 17 12:55:07 1998
From: 13 at morgoth.sfu.ca
anyways if you are fascinated in how to make music with numbers then go check out stufff from Max Mathews, ideas from John Pierce, and another composer James Tenney. For those who know, Max created a language called 'Music 5" anybody got more info?? anyways another interesting dude is Claude Shannon, which also introduced the notion of information theory. it basically sais that information is a measure of unpredictability. ie. if you toss a coin with two heads then you get no information. there is nothing for you to gain when you toss a coin. So these computer composers basically experimented with the idea of chance and rule combining those two to create compositions. Now, i am confused with this theory..,.,ie. if you really think about it, everything can be predicted to some extent. toss a coin 50 million times and you will get 50-50 chance over time. it is like, altough you dont know the result of each consequent future experiment, you can definitely know what the outcome of the next large group of experiments is. so i think his theory has some flaws. but it is a good theory anyways, especially if you like to think in analogies. another composer you should chek out is the dude called Le Jarnen Hiller. no that is not Hitler you bastard!!! hiller, hiller. he was pretty much interested in speech synthesis. sp like you take a waveform study this algorithms shit. once you get a linear equation through this linear predictive coding you can generate computer sounds. Paul Lansky used this a lot. check out his classic called "iddle chatter" which is totally computer synthesis based on equations reflecting human speech. speaking of these algorithms and synthesis you should also check out guy called Jean Claude Risset- the FRENCH DUDE, who synthesized acoustic sounds with various kinds of algorithms. other guy doing similar things is Michael Mcnebb so take a listen at his 'Dream Song" . beautiful stuff, i keep listening to it over and over. what could be interesting to do is this concept of aliasing. so basics 101 you have this Nyqest rate and trying to play with frequencies that are less or slightly more than half of it so you can make some Noise in the truest sense because you get all this aliasing or foldovers happening. everybody thinks this aliasing is bad,,..but why not try to tame the animal but still keep it wild??? so i think if people experimented more with Nyqest rate instead of regarding it as bad, maybe they could discover something new?? who knows?? so all these computer dudes should make some kick ass filters so they can make this analog to digital conversion more interesting, so we can make some disturbing sounds happening. if music has Any kind of effect on you than that is good. if music is just same old you heard millions of times then who gives a crap?? simple stuff is only good if it is too simple to be simple. people try to make simple complex and only end up to make it cheeeassssyy. ..the only reason is because they think music is some kind of set of rules and you should stick to them. of course,...but make your own rules dude. spunz!!!!
ALDO VACCARO Wed Feb 25 02:02:51 1998
From: Nexus 6 at ad01-120.arl.compuserve.com
Is there anybody out there with information on a Canadian guitarist by the name of Aldo Vaccaro? He appeared in a Guitar Wars National Finals competition featured on Canada's "Muchmusic" about 6 or 7 years ago. He had, quite possibly, the most unique and fluid two-handed arpeggio technique I'd seen prior to T.J. Helmirich, but was considerably more in the neo-classical / rock style. The fact that he was beaten by a guy who played slide-guitar with a bottle of Molson's, would certainly merit a suicide attempt, and therefore explain his disappearance. However, that is sheer speculation and in the event that he's alive and well, any information as to his current musical status would be welcome.
THE CONCERTO ALBUM Wed Feb 25 15:44:02 1998
From: MICHAEL MELLOFF www.geocities.com/Paris/2726/ at ppp-99-28.villette.club-internet.fr
SOME sound clips available at my page :)
 
Regardin' Inspiration and some shred views.... Tue Mar 3 14:30:26 1998
From: 13 at morgoth.sfu.ca
Sometime ago I read how Yngwie talked about inspiration and making music. How important do you think is relying on inpiration to make music?? How important do you think is relying on work to make music?? Or does work spark inspiration? Or the other way around? Usually, people especially w o r k i n g musicians don't have time to sit and wait and wait for inspiration cause you have things to care of, bills to pay, timelines and schedules to follow etc. so the questions comes what makes one piece of work more alive than the other one? Many people say that people at Shrapnel have to work fast cause of recording schedules so how you get such inpiration under pressures. Or does inspiration depend on the pressure?? For example, if you listen to Yngwie's Facing you will hear that there are some very repetitive ideas even if you have time and place to do them. For example, you will find that 6 songs start exactly the same. So if you listen to that muted slide from top of the neck down on E string you will see that it appears in six songs exactly the same. And the drums follow that muted slow slide almost identically in those songs. Same goes with some of the Shrapnel cd's. You can definitely see some pattern happening there, so how does inspiration relate to patterned writing?? And this is not me to put down other people cause I know i suck but I would rather want to discuss with you what you think about this issues. I am simply looking for some 'healty' discussion. that's all. Anyways, I kind of looked at the ways you can have inspiration under pressure and the ideas come from the notion of process music. It deals with the idea that composer sets up a clear process for listening so that people who listen carefully can find some kind of logic. Two of favourite guys that are like are Steve Reich and Phillip Glass. For example, instead of always having a double kick in a neo song what you can do is play around with the process and logic you are trying to follow not relying on standard cliches so that you go and use a feedback as an effect to create logic. I like the way Hendrix, Yngwie, and Srv used feedback in music. But if you are trying to come up with something new just for the sake of pleasing yourself what you can do is take the mic and attach it with a string to a ceiling and then place it right next to a speaker so that you can get feedback. then in order to get a logic and have a process music what you can do is you can swing the mic so it goes away from a speaker either in a circular or a pendulum motion so that you can definitely hear a rhythmic pattern that totally depends on physics and it is very determined but yet it sounds 'out' and very interesting to the ear cause the rhythms get faster and faster and yet there is no steadiness to them except acceleration. Speaking of these cool rhythms what you can do is you can take a listen to a Steve Reich piece called "Come Out"..and basically what he does there is he takes a phrase that he records on two tape decks. Now both phrases are identical in time and shape but he makes a loop of one phrase longer so that two phrases start at each time, and are totally in sync, but the one ends slightly off,,very slight slight delay so that eventually they become out of phase. Wouldn't be t o t a l l y c o o l if MacAlpine performed one of the Chopen pieces slightly out of phase with another piano player. I think that would kick some major butt!!!! that is the hardest thing to do..play out of phase slightly distancing but keeping the same beat...unreal!!!!. Anyways to go back to Reich, you can get totally kick ass rhythmic patterns happening if you make those phrases out of phase as Reich did. ..especially if you like Reich studied african drumming. Too bad drummers these days are just impressed with licks and double kick. What happened to some groovy shit that requires some talent?? Fuck the double kick..having a simplicity yet interest through variety in groovy stuff is the hardest thing to do especially if you question being in and out of phase so you can have rhythms developing over a time. So "Come Out" is totally rhythmical. Totally groovy african drumming....but only in speech!! cool!! beautiful!! Now here the question with repetition comes out. As you repeat things over and over your mind focuses on different aspects of the things you are repeating. So to go to music discussion, your ears accomodate to different sound and you concentrate on different elements of the sound as you repeat things. ie. you concentrate on how sibilances in speech interlete rhythmcally if you decide to loop the speech...and that sounds very cool.ie. if you go with an idea that every time you listen to something new,..then YOU WILL discover something new cause you can't shut off ears. They are uniquye in the way they are attached to brain and if you have an attitude that you will not hear something new than you won't. That is why I don't like people who are ignorant and have already established attitudes when they listen to some player. How can they discover something new, if their stupidity before hand shuts of their ears. And i find myself handling those insults so that just means I am stupid and you shouldn't take my insults seriously,..cause I change my mind every day...just my nature and I am quite happy about it. So if you go about listening with intention to hear something interesting and something new then it is a promise that you will hear it. That is simply the way we work. So dont be stupid....like some people here.... ie. listen to Reich and how shhh develops over time. Also, Reich did his thing in other pieces as well, so you can take a listen at "It is going to rain", "Violin Phase" ( where violin slightly goes out of phase from the tape) , "Piano Phase" (where two pianists play at the same time and get slightly out of phase. That piece is actually performed live!!! Check out that beautiful rhytmic melodic licks and how it develops over time. Listen to how your mind listens and accepts this development!!cool!!) and that witout missing a beat!! Unreal!!! And that is what I like when it come to music. ie. something nice happens in a piece and you like it but you know that nice stuff will go away at some time. It is like listening to a radio on a highways,...you get some kick ass chicken picking on your radio station but you know as you move away from that area the station will fade away. Same with demos and cd's. if you make them overly produced than for me only, that bears no interest whatsover cause there is no contrast. Ie. for something to be interesting there must be an uninteresting part preceeding it. For something to be fast, there must be a slow part in there.For something to be melodic, something must me unmelodic, (not to say atonal, cause for me atonal is pure melody), or if you want something to be loud, there must be a quiet part in there too. That is why I do not understand how come some bands call themselves 'H E A V Y" and all they do is make noise all the time. I don't think those bands pay enough attention to creativity and variety. Making noise and playing loud doesn't mean heavy. Going to a cheap bar playing a pop song then cranking up a geetar at the right spot, right time screaming some licks is heavy in my mind..cause there is an impact there..in my mind. It is like there is no point beating up a dead guy. The guy is already dead. No effect whatsoever. Same with melodic shredding. If you constantly have same cheasy A F G F A chord progression song after song after song then melody defintely looses the impact. So shredders should pay more attention to playing things in the right context at the right time and place. I like Yngwie cause he is conscious of these things quite well!!! But then again you will not make disturbing frequencies like Steve Vai wants to do is all you do is making noise. That is why I like Vai cause he knows how to it you in the face with a bad attitude and slap your ears with some heavenly balls and that is what I like too. And what is cool to pay attention too is having things go slightly of the phase. Cause it is same pitches,same beat but this slight displacement creates chorus, flange effects to eventually lead to echoing results. that rules!! Anyways, Phillip Glass makes stuff like this too.

There is another guy called Alvin Lucier and he creates 'magic' with music. Eg. how do you explain ping pang balls that hit drums all by itself in a rhythmical manner??. I couldn't believe it when I seen the tape. But here is what you do. You attach a 10 Hz signal to the drums. Now you cannot hear this signal but that doesn't mean that this signal doesn not move the surface skin of the drums. Now, what happens is that this 10Hz signal goes unperceptible to audience but makes drum skin move outward and inward. At the same time ping pong balls rest on the drum skin and at the same time they are attached to ceiling by a string. Now when the signal is sent these balls move. If skin is inward the drums accepts and absorbs the energy of the moving ping pong balls ( if they hit skin at the same time it is inward and getting slightly outward) and if the drum skin is outward these balls bounce even further creating rhytms and 'magically' moving but this is only a simple matter of physics. Alvin Lucier also created another piece which is example of process music and it is called " i am sitting in a room". Take a listen to the introduction and that will basically tell you all you need to know. The point he experimented with is that mic collects the resonance of the voice and this resonance is played back and back millions of times so the end result you hear is the natural resonance of the room and the effect is that it sounds heavenly space like. Reverbation and feedback happening dude! Beautiful!!! but what is the issue here? can anybody just do it anywhere? ..try and let me know1!! hahah, anyways, if you dont want to try then try to consider the Eigen tones. Eigen tones are important!!!. So if you have a room that has more than four wall and they are not symmetrical (...well haven't you looked at the concert halls..) then you will avoid these Eigen tones and that is good because you want to avoid frequency cancellations and have this musical reverbation happening. Also if you like this stuff check out Hilde Westerkamp's "Breathing Room" as well. I think Varney should create some huge toilet room so that some of the shredding cd's have really deap natural reverb in there. We want toilets.! We want toilets! We want toilets! We want toilets!We want toilets so that resonances occur in nodes. and plus toilet is the best room for practicing!!! havent you noticed that? that is why my playing sounds like crap....that is whats wrongo.

Anyways, going back to the issue of inspiration and stuff. Well, how often are you inspired? Every day? Every minute? then you are 'a very lucky man you know"...(I cant help but to quote THE MAN. sorry!. :-)..) So, if you are not inspired every day doenst mean you should not find ways of dealing with that stuff. I somewhere read that Shawn Lane writes millions of tunes in one period but than has couple of months just waiting to hit again. I don't think many people can afford to that especially if their contract is to constantly release cd's. It is about structuring the environment for creativity. That is why I respect Steve Morse and Carl Verheyen so much. They have all this talent, yet they are so busy. That is the real thing!. Anyways, how do you get creative? I think by restrictin your self. For example, if you constantly make neo stuff and demos you see a pattern happening when it comes to writing songs.So what you do? Become aware of the pattern!. Beware of limitations and know how to manipulate manipulations. that is why so many players who claim they are good actually suck because they are not even aware of their limitations. I mean it is so bad that they don't even know what they faults are and they actually think they are good. ..and there is a difference between believing you are good and a healthy confidence and proffesionalism.....quite different things.anyways the main thing is that you become aware of limitations. So what? Well if you want to make more songs then think about this. You have an event happening in some piece. Well start from the very beggining. Do you want that event to repeat again or not? If you do will repetition of it be altered? So that is the first step. The next step is what are your methods and materials. For example, I hear some shredding cd's and cd after cd it is same set of instruments even cd after cd. you dont have to have drums in every shredding cd. How about some gamelan or some harp, or trumpet or trombone..whatever just get different tone colors so you can have variety so that what you play has way bigger impact. you dont need distorted geetar tone on every song. How about some shredding on clean tele or strut sound like my man cigan bijeli does. That rules!! So when making a piece establish what timbres you want to work with. dont make every song the same. Looses impact. I like Toto. Every song is different and it rulezz! Some of Cacophony insturmental stuff and marty stuff is quite interesting. Marty rules too!!! Anyways, after materials and methods, you should consider the aspect of unity. Ie. you need to surprise people and capture theri interest. What captures your interest is things that surprise you and also things that please you..;.up to the point. If everything is pleasing all the time then it becomes unpleasing, cliche, boring and cheasy over time. There must be a connection and variety. and how do you that adis you moron? Well, look at gestures and look at the likeness of one event happening ove the other. Some of the oldy Shrapnel stuff is too predictable. Ie. you can exactly say what will happen next. I think new Shrapnel is way better than before no matter what certain individual here claims that there is a lack of players. I think quite contrary. Especially with introduction of BB and noninterference. Because not only you attract shredders but get people from other styles involved and curious into that so that all that becomes one thing eventually. that is very smart and cool!!. that is why i also think that this site should promote some of non neo people cause those people may become interested in neo stuff as well. again it is all one big huge picture you should think about. there are no boundaries in music,..but just closed minds..and childhood traumas...:-).hahah. Anyways, after unity issue you should look at form. What about form? Well you have to think about what is the rate of change of events happening? Is it slow or quick? Is every song a shredding song? Is every song a slow song? Gary Moore rules. he knows the balance.... Anyways bombardment of ideas can be very effective if used in right context and I favour that. How about you? Slow song requires more time...and as such..I dont think there is a point of making a slow song if the sound of the instruments suck. What a hell is a point, when you have mind especially paying attention to it especially if you are fascinated by sound. That is why gear and equimpent issues dont matter if you shred and constantly play fast. How about recording some high end big huge sound without blub blub...yep you read my mind. With this issue of rate of change comes also the issue of predictability and alterations. Ie. do you want every shredding song to be in AbA or serialize it (ie. series, retrogades, inversions,etc)..,use concept of chance (I Ching--book of changes) .., use constrained aleatoric parts...etc. (a la 'concerto for vc' by Witold Lutoslawksi performed by worlds best cellist Rostropovich....God save his soul!!:-( ..or ...) do you want to use environmetal forms ..eg.take notion of environmental sounds and manipulate them..etc. So you can get attention by concentratin on pauses (dont shred all the time) focusing frequencies (play with the sound, find what works) so I get to ask myself one question? Am i the only looser in this world to have different sound on every song?. I dont understand why geetar players and musicians in general stick to the same sound song after song. i thinkg that is very 'ignorant' and you basically shut of ears for NO REASON!!!!whatsoever. I think having different geetar tone on EVERY song is good because you pay attention to what songs calls for. that is why you cant stick to one sound. I use 10 of them. How the hell can you get pure music man bluesy twang with a mesa boogie. :-) ....funny!!!! or Marshall sound through a Peavy!!!....or smooth fusion sound of peavy through a Marshall?!....funny!!! so dont be a bunny and get yourself different amps. That is why i like Vanous cause the sound quality and transparency kicks ass yet the amp is very unique. ie. it is not a copy of anything else but an original thing. And that is what i look for in amps. have its own HEALTHY breathing frequencies.And the issue of contrast comes again. If you play over the same amp song after song then what you play slightly looses meaning. Ie.if you are going to play a bluesy solo with an impact then dont be a moron and have a ton of 'thin' overloaded gain mush up the solo. Instead play clean balls twang press the A/B switch and the solo will have way more impact. Same with blues jams. if you go and play over same clean sound song after song like those bluez nazis do (sorry blues nazis..:-))then solos loose impact. instead get some od happening BUT dont use it all the time..but only in selected spots. ie. hit the music in the groin..b a l l s. Hendrix, Blackmore, Srv do it the best!!! Anyways got to wrap this post up. What is the other things we look at adis you moron?..look at issue of layers. ...and if you like lawyers these days :-) ..music biz sucks these days....just bunch of fucken politicians and 'succesful carreer dudes'. what about losers? Losers are cool! Anyways, technology that we use today forces us to think in layers. We have to organize shredding in layers. Ie. think of a notion of visual arts. think of foreground vs. background. Is every song same chord patterns and types in the background, same tones in background, same instruments..etc. vs. is a overloaded gain geetar always in spotlight?? etc.. Eric Johnson rulezz!!..he knows the balance..Creating and ambience and space is the thing when you look at this issue. Same with texture..and the frequencies you use. Use different amps dude!!!! use e a r s. ..and financing opportunies, loans..etc.. this ambiance is very important so if you wnat to invest in a computer program then get "DECK" cause it allows you to create and manipulate awesome dynamic envelopes. Ambience and Time go hand in hand. Everything in world (avoid synthetics) changes over time and your ears are accustomed to this change. Hence, 'gesture defines duration'..which in my mind means that a certain kind of gesture has implicit and explicit notion of how long it should be..so the issue of subjectivity in chosing a right duration is also important. Now i really have to go....so will finish with issue of soundscape. is every shredding song in the same space?? is it a chaotic space? Is it a mysterious space? Where are you? sitting on toilet seat shredding?? cool, but you can take crap only certain number of times...:- ) there you go to get to this soundscape analyze behaviour. Ie. try to emulate behaviour of physics (ie. pendulum,clock, animal behaviour ..that cool thing on Vai's animal.hahah, walking, rain and gas molecules, volume formulas,,other sound ideas..rules of nature..you can defy them only if you are conscious of them) and then after you analyze all these things,...sit back become very unsconscious and make music 'out of nowhere'. ..now, jimmy d driver..wazzz up dude? What is your favourite Poison song?? i like unskinny bop.....

Shred Thu Mar 5 12:39:37 1998
From: Michael Melloff at ppp-101-23.villette.club- internet.fr
I know I am noone, but I wanted to say what I think of shred. Shred sux !!!! Because the only meaning is playing fast, not playing music. The main problem is that I don t like Guitarists (with a big G) but I like Musicians. People like Michael Angelo , Joe Stump and others... are just so boring to listen , and they make me laught. Technique means nothing if it used too "play fast".Music is not a sport !!! That's why I really like people that do music and even if they play fast they only do it because it s the way they play. I love Malmsteen for exemple , Vinnie Moore , Kiko Loureiro (the new Vai , with an amazing technique and so much melody) and people like Romero. I also think Shredders are people that misunderstood Malmsteens aproach of the instrument. And worst than all , there is what I call aprenti-shredders (people that are learning technique), those people send lot of sound clips all iver the webs and are so proud , they shouldn t ,cause what they play have no meaning and no musicallity. I also know that they will never play with real musicians because they can only play fast and have no real feel. Some people might think I talk of something I don t know because I am frustrated because my playing sux and I have no technique , and they are quite wrong :) So please , let s think in terms of music and not in term of speed because playing shit fast don t make it sounds better. If some of you have questions just ask me and I will answer . See you soon guy and May the Rising Force be with You :)
Any Steve Morse fans out there Sat Mar 7 06:44:11 1998
From: godsize1 members.tripod.com/~ godsize1/morse.htm at spider102.cobweb.net.au
Steve Morse is easily the Best and Most tasteful shredder. Visit this url if you don't believe me.
REVIEW PLEASE Sat Mar 7 12:02:29 1998
From: happy 7string guy at ts010d37.hou- tx.concentric.net
has anyone here heard yngwies concerto cd? if so PLEASE post a review
Subject : MAELSTROM Sat Mar 7 19:23:44 1998
From: Mike S at ww-tk02.proxy.aol.com
Thanks to all of you who have visited my labels web site and listened to previews from the new upcoming MAELSTROM cd. Thank you even more for your comments. Fans of vintage Yngwie-style playing should really like songs like DEATH WALKS.... LIVING HELL.....PROPHECY.....etc..
RONNI LE TEKRO Tue Mar 10 08:36:36 1998
From: frderic at ww-tq01.proxy.aol.com
this guy shreds on "tell no tales"...hes got great technique & melodies..i didnt care for the "firefly" disc...but the next TNT..is supossed to be like old TNT.
wailing new cd's Mon Mar 16 12:38:54 1998
From: 13 at morgoth.sfu.ca
yes yes yes, I heard Shrapnel will release Jens with Shawn Lane! Finaaaaaaaaaallly!! It would be also cool to have Jens and Tony do a key trade off. I am really curious if Jens could play traditional classic stuff on a piano...cause that is where finger tone and total dynamics count so it would be cool to have Tony and Jens on a project do the piano stuff without keys..and then wham! some heavenly licks in there too. Also kick ass drummer Shane G. recorded a cd with the kick ass player Jeff K. so check out that project too. I am curious if Jeff has ever released Edwin Dare on cd and if he did does anybody know how to order it? please post!! So there are two new cd's for you to check out. And one more kick ass news G3 will be happening in Europe and there will M.Schenker, Uli, and i think Vai and guess who will be on of drummers there???l...yes Shane. Shane rulezzzz. They should make a video.Fuck man, imagine seeing all these guys on stage? holy smoke!!!!!
More Kollman, more Kollman, more Kollman Tue Mar 17 13:38:34 1998
From: 13 at morgoth.sfu.ca
...forgot to post that Jeff also did a project with Bellas and i think it's on Shrapnel as well so check it out!!!
G3 in France Wed Mar 18 07:57:09 1998
From: Michael Melloff at ppp-103-185.villette.club- internet.fr
There will be 2 concert in Paris and the 3 guitar players will be : Joe "I shaved my hair" Satriani, Michael "I am a scorpion";) Shrenker and a guest musician. I can announce here a big news that few people know righ now. The 3 rd guitarist will be the french guitarist Patrick "God" Rondat and his classically influenced instrumental !!! HE will do some VIVALDI LIVE !!!For me he is much better than Vinnie Moore or Jason Becker and his high level of composition allows him to rich stuff like Rising Force. He has his own style and is respected by all guitar virtuosos.HE does only instrumental and he is not boring at all while Satriani fans fall asleep after 2 songs. One of the best new guitarist in the instrumental world. Check out the Amphibia album that will be released in EUrope by Limb music soon (Angra , Simphony X, Rhapsody's Label)
The Concerto Album Wed Mar 18 11:36:41 1998
From: Aaron at a-206-16.sp.neu.edu
Someone else asked for a review of Yngwei's Concerto Cd. Hey, sign me up for one of those too. I want to know what its like. I mean is it a few full length concerti or what? Is it just super-baroque-influenced guitar Yngwei style? PLease tell us more!!!!
Masterpieces Thu Mar 19 19:02:50 1998
From: Marcos De Ros at 200.248.191.33
Hi, I'm writing just to tell that I'm finishing a CD called Masterpieces, with some classical music from Bach, Paganini, Villa-Lobos and others. It's not available now (I starting to mix it), but I can tell you, it'll sound great !!!! Thanks; MARCOS DE ROS
Funny Fri Mar 20 18:22:13 1998
From: Your name at van-as-08a05.direct.ca
It strikes me as funny (in a sad way) that there are quite a lot of Neo Classical happenings out there ie: Wolf Hoffmann's new all classical instrumental cd, the new Yngwie Concerto cd, new cds by Royal Hunt, Helloween etc & all that gets posted here (after Igor is done censoring & removing the posts he deems inappropriate) is some ranting infantile lunatic. How sad! I suggest that if anyone is actually left here (& I doubt that more than 5 people read this site...max), they should head over to the Prepetual Motion Message Board or to the many excellent usenet groups out there. What a joke this place has become, & you know what Igor, YOU are to blame. I doubt that RF mach II will be any better as your rep has been ruined forever amoung neo classical fans due to YOUR actions. Now go ahead & censor this post as well.
Wolf Hoffmann Sat Mar 21 14:12:37 1998
From: Janell at f182-049.net.wisc.edu
There's a new Wolf Hoffmann website with details and sound samples of his new album CLASSICAL. The URL is: http://www.wolfhoffmann.com
Marc Pattison Mon Mar 23 10:39:06 1998
From: 13 at morgoth.sfu.ca
I talked to Ric the other day and heard this wicked geetar player. His bending is great and he just rocks!!! If you want to hear it for yourself go to Guitar Nine website and check out the link. This guy is incredible.His songs are great and he has ears so please go check it out and post what you think.
 
Uli inquiry Wed Mar 25 12:46:25 1998
From: 13 at morgoth.sfu.ca
Does anybody know if Uli's opera is finished? Also where is the best place to get his less known recordings, videotapes, etc..?
Uli Jon Roth Fri Mar 27 00:05:45 1998
From: Your name at van-as-02c08.direct.ca
I am a HUGE Uli fan & just got his new triple cd box set that features some never before released solo concertos. Look for a complete review elsewhere...
neo inquiry Tue Mar 31 12:39:21 1998
From: 13 at morgoth.sfu.ca
Does Micheal Romeo have instructional videos out?....latest cool video I checked out was Dana Rasche "Beyond Chops"...holy....amazing technique....
some new info... Tue Mar 31 12:52:28 1998
From: 13 at morgoth.sfu.ca
Kollman replaced Bellas in a project with J.West (Artension). Anybody knows the date release of this CD?....and ps. if you haven't heard Kollman yet...go run and get Cosmosquad!!!
Johnson Mon Apr 6 21:27:40 1998
From: aaron at a-206-04.sp.neu.edu
Yeah, Eric Johnson is soooo underrated. Yhe guy is friggin amazing, he pulls off awsome stuff but noone notices just cause he doesn't have the personality that Vai or Satriani do. Don't get me wrong, Satch and Vai are awsome, but so is Johnson. Just that no one notices it.
violin concerti etc. Mon Apr 6 21:37:31 1998
From: Aaron at a-206-05.sp.neu.edu
Hey Elvis! If you want good violin or guitar practice, try Bach's violin concerti - there aren't as many as Vivaldi's, but their a *load better! 1041 is as good as like twenty Vivaldi concerti put together, and that's an easy one! Hey, has anyone tried any of the Sonatas and Partitas?
Cozy Powell, RIP Tue Apr 7 05:11:33 1998
From: Steve, Denmark at svs.svs.dk
I just heard that Cozy Powell - a drummer who needs no further introduction - was killed two days ago in a car crash. Cozy played with many of my favourite bands, including Rainbow, MSG, and Black Sabbath and his solid, dependable style was often imitated. His most recent work was of course on Yngwie's Facing The Animal album and comprised some of his finest work to date. I am shocked and saddened by this news. RIP, Cozy.
MAGNITUDE 9 .... has anyone heard it? Thu May 7 08:57:48 1998
From: jorge calvares at ww-tr05.proxy.aol.com
im looking for this cd in france. i heard it is style like yngwie and fates warning i read that this cd will be on europe label INSIDE OUT it is melodic band with good guitarist....but i dont know who plays guitar? i heard sound clip. soory my english is bad
Yngwie European tour - Urgent!!! Fri May 15 02:40:08 1998
From: Steve, Denmark at svs.svs.dk
To those fans still out there...According to the UK mag Kerrang!, Yngwie has two - perhaps more - dates confirmed in the UK beginning NEXT WEEK. One London (May 26th I think), one Bradford. There is no news on his website but it must mean that other European dates are scheduled. Does ANYBODY have any information? There must be one hell of a lot of us European fans gagging to see him in '98...
The ABOVE Fri Jun 12 19:10:49 1998
From: SMDMF at 207.247.26.46
I just picked up the Uli 3 cd set From Here to Eternity and it is a wonderful collectors set. I would love to get some more current Uli information. Not here, the unibomber has more interesting things to say about the topic at hand. Farewell again or in 13/adis's case - quit nipping on the barrel, pull the trigger KABOOM!!!!!!!!!!
SMDMF Mon Jun 15 08:24:39 1998
From: Steve, Denmark at svs.svs.dk
On your earlier post...hey, you missed out the references! But seriously - some may disagree with the means but the message was pretty spot on. RF needs a serious rethink/revamp to stop the previous abuses. I don't really understand why someone (i.e. Igor) who has put a lot of time and energy into creating something good, can let his creation go to rot. What a waste. I saw Uli on the Euro G3 tour, didn't know what to expect (how can you?!) and I can tell you I really enjoyed it. I didn't know much of the stuff (I gave my box set away...unlistenable, mainly 'cause of his vocals) but that didn't matter. The stuff was good. He threw in a version of Vivaldi's "Four seasons" that was cool, and a female singer came on for two numbers, inc. Polar Nights. Uli really got into it too, at the end he seemed to be really competing with Satriani! Great stuff. I saw a new CD of Uli's on sale at the gig venue (might've been called the Symphonic Legends), and some reissues of some early stuff (Firewind, etc.) but I didn't get anything. Should've got the new one really.
Concerto in E Flat Minor Tue Jun 30 11:22:28 1998
From: Jake at p038.intchg2.net.ubc.ca
Hey guys. I've been away from this sight for awhile but apparently nothing changes in the Rising Force realm. Although I expect it to have little or no effect on the regular contributors to this sight, I am going to review a couple of cd's here anyway in the vain hope that this site will one day return to being neoclassical forum. Let's start with Yngwie Johann (Sebastian?) Malmsteen's 'Concerto Suite in E Flat Minor,' which is pompous, silly and surprisingly good. This cd succeeds in spite of Yngwie delusions of grandeur and gives the diehard Malmsteen fan some of YJM's best playing -not to mention tone- since the Trilogy era. Admittedly the music isn't that great, as he strings together too many old ideas to create this 'Opus,' but his cadenza-like passes rule and the Finale is so absolutely ripping that it's worth the price of admission alone. I've tended to dislike classical/rock projects of this type in the past, because they smack of musical penis envy -the idea that rock music isn't a valid musical medium in which to write/comose as opposed to 'serious' music like jazz or classical. A lot of good rock players get caught up in this 'ought to' mentality, and end up making some pretty mediocre and forgettable jazz or classical music. Simplicity is really underrated (ex: Ain't Talkin' About Love). It's a lot easier to create complicated, intricately rhythmic bs like Greg Howe's post 'Introspection' albums than write a good pop tune. Ultimately composition is about melody, not making overly complicated music for the sole purpose of being complicated. Whenever I am listening to something like YJM's Concerto, I think of Joe Satriani. Satch is a guy who can take a simple and stock blues lick and turn it into a great song (Ice 9). That's real genius and what's been missing from the current crop of neoclassical/fusion wannabes. Satch knows his theory but he never lets it get in the way of his writing. He's a rock player with nothing to prove and his music reflects that. That's the attitude that made albums like Maximum Security, Mind's Eye, Greg Howe's first solo album and Rising Force so great and what's often missing today. Those albums weren't clever as much as they were melodic. Anyway, to make a long story even longer, I think Yngwie's Concerto is a great addition to any cd collection and a good way to annoy your musicologist friends.
GET THESE NEW CDS!!!!! Fri Jul 10 22:44:43 1998
From: TIM at spider-pa083.proxy.aol.com
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RFOnline, work, work Sun Jul 26 12:17:34 1998
From: Your name www.panix.com/~jens at ppp7.sbbs.se
Hello there!! Cool to see the site's still up. Here out in neoclassical progressive land the work never ends!! A new Stratovarius record will be released in the fall, and me and Anders are working on another "Johansson" record which I'm also quite happy with (so far). Mike Romeo did most of the guitar on it but there's a possiblility that Timo and Yngwie will work on it as well, we shall see!! Look for that one sometime "soon" (i.e. hopefully this year)...
Adis, what's up! Thu Aug 6 03:10:39 1998
From: Ric Grosh at b84.ecom.net
Anyway just want to let you know that Grosh Guitars new Electratone series guitars just got a rave review in the September issue of Guitar Player Magazine. The article is called "Heavenly Hollowbodies". The Electratones are getting very hot right now. Michael Landau just bought three! Robby Longley got signed to a decent label many months ago (did I tell you before?), and the new CD "Danza Mora" is out. I am currently engineering and will be helping to mix and produce his 3rd CD which is almost done as far as recording goes. Big news! On May 9th, Robby was playing a local gig and during a break he talked to some guy for a while about his music. This guy was very impressing with Robby's playing and especially his incredible songwriting. After about 20 minutes the guy told Robby his name: Ardeshir Farah! He AND Jorge Strunz live in my valley! They have lived here for seven years! Remember last year I told you I saw someone at my local Hughes Market that looked the Ardeshir? Well that was him, he shops there. He was there with his family. So Robby told me this and I didn't believe him. Then he told me Ardeshir and Jorge were coming over to his house to listen to some of his new music and to check out his studio. So I went over there and we all just hung out for several hours. Jorge played some stuff I never heard him play before- traditional flamenco music. He said how hard it is for him to use the flamenco technique live because he has to put his pick in his mouth, so he only does this in certain sections of his songs like intro's. He is really good at it though. At this point Robby says "you should check out what Ric does, he holds his pick and uses the other fingers for flamenco technique". Jorge said "flamenco technique with a pick? How can you do that?" So I played one of my favorite falsetas, and some rasgueado stuff, and I couldn't believe how amazed they were. They kept asking me how did I learn that, and how do I do it! I spent the next hour showing and explaining how I why I do it. Jorge said he had thought long ago about playing like that and had even tried a few times but it was to difficult to do much of anything while holding a pick so he gave up and thought it was impossible. I told him it probably was because he learned both picking and flamenco techniques separately, and that would present a big problem and would feel totally unnatural to put both techniques together. I told him I didn't have that problem because I learned flamenco technique while holding a pick so that feels natural to me, and playing without a pick feels more unnatural, but I am now playing a lot more without a pick so I can play using various flamenco thumb techniques. We have all since become friends and hang out and play often. They are really down to earth and cool people and have nice families. Two other bits of news: There is talk of recording together on Robby's new CD, and Jorge is helping me write some new music and wants to produce my first CD which will be recorded at Robby's Pro Tools 24 studio. Also for the help I've given Robby, he gave me one of his flamenco guitars! It is an authentic flamenco guitar made in Spain by the famous Luther Ricardo Sanchis. He paid $4,000 for it! Even more news: Six Flags Theme Parks has been bought from Time Warner by Premiere Parks Inc. They fired a bunch of people and others went to work at Time Warner including me. So they put me in the Audio Post Production Dept. at New Line Cinema in LA. Now I mostly do DA recording, editing, sweetening, and some sound FX work for film. I'm still doing web sites and hired several freelance designers to help and take the load off me. My company is now called "Sun Web Design", and our company site is almost ready. We got our first big client, DiMarzio Inc. We are now in the process of creating their site. It is so cool that I did my brothers site. Now he is referring me to all these major companies and we have a lot of deals in progress. So check out that issue of Guitar Player and watch for more reviews coming soon in other mags.
M.I.A. - Peter Marrino Sun Aug 16 21:35:45 1998
From: Russell at ad01-096.arl.compuserve.com
This message is addressed to anyone who knows the whereabouts of Peter Marrino, vocalist extraordinairre. You may remember him from his famed stint with the Friedman/Becker 80's collaboration "Cacophony". I just found the "Go Off" cd in my local used cd store and was absolutely blown away by his range and raw fury. If you're out there Peter I'd love to hook up and put together a hard rocking outfit in the mold of Cacophony or Apocrypha. Peter, has a "Black Cat" crossed your path and are you now stranded on a "Desert Island"? Please respond to this if you know if Peter is out there. Domo arigato.
John Norum Update!!!!!!! Wed Sep 23 12:20:12 1998
From: 13 at blackcomb.sfu.ca
I just visited coolest site by Ozzie Adenborg so here are straight out the words of the update. Here is what has been written on Destination: "A new album will be released on Oct. 7th in Japan on Zero. The album will carry 2 bonus tracks, one of them being the instrumental Scorpions track. No name for the album yet, no cover either actually...Phil Mogg of UFO will be the special guest and sing on one track. ...John Norum Group has changed shape. Ian Haughland (Europe, Brazen Abott) has replaced Hemp and Stefan Rodin has replaced Nippe."
To Adis: My Radio Interview Tue Oct 6 02:47:24 1998
From: Ric Grosh 209.239.51.52/interview.ram at pool1-27.usr1.smartlink.net
Hey Adis, big news! I was just featured on a local FM radio show called the John Sage Show. John is an authority on world music and flamenco and does a music show once a week. I guess all the live playing I've been doing lately has really paid off. John was getting lots of calls from people and clubs to have me on his show! You should come down here some time. There is a huge flamenco scene here and lots of clubs and coffee houses to play. Click on the link above to hear the show.
Shredding with words Tue Oct 20 03:02:11 1998
From: Steve, Denmark at svs.svs.dk
Adis, it's interesting that you berate mindless shredding (i.e. squeezing as many notes per second as you can without thinking about how it fits with the song, or without feel or melody) and certainly I agree with you. That's why I love Yngwie and detest Michael Angelo. But, here's a thought for ya - aren't your posts actually a written representation of just that attitude, i.e. post as many words as possible without thinking about how it fits the scope of this site, whether it makes any sense, etc? Think about it. PS. Contrary to what you might believe, I did not receive a privileged education but just worked hard. That is true for many people I know (personally, not rock stars!) and respect. I also know of many people who received an outstanding education but who achieved next to nothing. Many things in life are not fair but with application, one can overcome many obstacles...
Iron Maiden Wed Oct 28 20:30:36 1998
From: Robert at pool003-max6.ds12-ca- us.dialup.earthlink.net
Does anybody consider Iron Maiden to be neo-classically influenced?
top 13 neo shred....steve honey, kiss kiss...here is a gift for ya.. Tue Nov 3 21:34:19 1998
From: 13 at hcc1340c2.ucslabs.sfu.ca
1. Europe "Final Countdown"

2. Yngwie Malmsteen "Rising Force"

3. Tony Macalpine "Evolution"

4. John Norum "Face the Truth"

5. Yngwie "Marching OUt"

6. Yngwie "Trilogy"

7. Norum "Live in Stockholm

8. Yngwie "Oddysey"

9. Tony Macalpine "Edge of Insanity"

10. Europe "Europe"

11. Jason Becker "Perpetual Burn"

12. Marty's "Introduction" 13. Vinnie Moore early stuff, "out of nowhere" is more fusioney....which brings me yes yes yes...

STeve I want you to listen to me carefully. REad this carefully. Vinnie Moore and Tony MacAlpine just recorded with Shane G. (ex-Yngwie drummer...who played kick ass on Budokan tour etc..+ kick ass Cosmosquad project with kickass Kollman) on a new project. I hear it is very fusioney and it has neoclasscal shred + taste + overal musicianship. Now, you heard this from me, not Amir, not mumbo jumbo not anybody else. So they haven't even released an album yet and it is still in process of mixing, and yes steve I am telling you this. Now, how Current, info can you get? please tell me. Use your Ph.D and your common sense. I tell you about the album before it is even released!!!!! so amir, h...hush beasts and let me post. The reason I post is because they kick ass and fans should know that they are continuing to kick butt. Now, there is another news Steve. If you haven't heard by this point then you must hear Jeff Kollman play . Dude , this is THE DUDE. HE is a MUSICIAN. LET EVERY SHREDDER KNOW THAT!!! This dude played bass on Michael Schenker tour and I think now he is playing with UFO.This dude plays beautiful geetar.; NOw steve, where did you hear this? you heard this on most upto date current website in the world that not only covers neo shred but all obscure music in the world. What more can you ask for.

some little news..... Wed Nov 4 16:56:34 1998
From: 13 at hcc1340c6.ucslabs.sfu.ca
Hey Steve did you check out new Live in Rio album by Yngwie? They also made a video out of it so anybody got some news? This time think it is Pinnacle records so again indepenedent is a way to go......Anyways, also King's X got a new album out so can't wait to hear Tabor's sound!!!!!! anybody heard new King's X? Also check out that new label Varney put out!!! fucking right!!! is about the time!! Victor Wooten just released an album with Steve BAiley!!! fucking right!!! Varney you rule!!! anyways, Shrapnel should sell stuff direct to Canada. Too bad that online thing is only for states. but then again...what do I know? I know nothing. Anyways, it is so cool that Varney took over fusion stuff. Anybody here heard of Victor? Victor is a kick ass monster on bass. He got extremely cool video with Steve Bailey. Man you should check out the musical ideas these do on bass!!!! sweep slap by Victor and arpeggios by Steven. Now, who is the geetar dude? Do they need one? Common Scotty henderson jump in!!! speaking of Scott, I just heard the cd he released with Gary Willis but the cd I am talking about is from 93....but I think that is the TOp cd as far as insrumental music goes!!! Tech rules!!! Elvis get it!!! Anyways, lets stick to neoclassical....

anyways, steve you deserve spanking...big spanking...why? cause you only tribute neoclassical to Yngwie. Now, Yngwie ruleth and roameth the earth but what about Tony? You never mentioned tony. Now, here is what Tony said about neoclassical stuff...."It's almost like at clinics people want you to explain what the difference is. I feel they have to listen more to the music. There 's a vast difference, you but you can't convince somebody that the difference is reall there. They just have to hear it. Especially with that genre, that style, I'm trying hard now to do things that are probbly not of my character musically. Not because I'm tired of the comparisons. But it's time to move along. I feel that a lot of times I get these questions from kids who say, I am classically influenced. I immediately know they are going to say BAch. What about Beethoven or Mozart or Handel or John Williams? (so steve what about John Williams? have you heard his beatiful covers for movie music? the cd rules.) It 's because in this situation , especially in these times, it's very hard for these kids to come across a style. Mtv and radio are so accessible. They think that's the way you're supposed to play. You're not supposed to play like the people you see on MTV.It's just its hard for kids to become original"

Now, steve read Tony's passage for hundred times!!!!! Then you explain me, what is wrong with me posting about some electroacoustic music, or Irish music, Or cuban music, or Flamenco on the neo website? Don't you really think it would be very cool to let kids know about all styles so that they can get way further than what current mags and media and websites promote? Don't you think steve it is cool for some dude to read about a genius called Arne Eigenfeldt, so that they can get into Max, and learn how to add to their composition other tools that are outhere? What do you steve contribute to neo? tell me!!!

Anyways, in this same interview here is what Vinnie Moore talks about judging playing, especially your own....."You lose perspective. You can't judge your own playing; it's hard to step outside of yourself and listen from a totally new perspective." Now , you see what you do here? You can't make a music a commodity. Shortly I will post why I admire Uli when he talks that music is sacred....but there are great dangers if you don't know exactly what he means. Here is what Vinnie wrote about Bach...."When Bach was a concertmeister he had to write a song every week. Was he doing he really wanted?'"....well the answer is: Big fucking right yes!!! you see BAch was a very religious man. To him music was not passion. It was a duty and responsibility and way of life. passion crystalizes. Duty disciplines and cultivates. Here is something you should realize about yourself. If you cannot discipline yourself, you probably don't like yourself. To be disciplined means to practice and to have quiet spirit while practicing. If you see all the negativity around you and lose focus than there is something that disturbs you and you should resolve that. You can resolve that very easy and therefore there is only one way to discipline. You have to do things for sake of doing things. You must not think how will practice benefit you but you use practice as a form of renunciation. To get the idea of what I am talking about read Ecclesatians. The topic and issue is to big to be discussed over internet. Anyways, once you realize what is 'meaningless chasing after wind' then you will know what you have to do and how to do it. Another thing is learn the ten commandments of Krishnamurti and apply yourself. Also get familiar with the concept of Yayna, and concept of Karma Yoga. Then you will have all the discipline in the world...that is if you apply yourself to it.

Now, here is a crucial thing. remember when Yngwie said that he never practices.....he doesn't. You want to know why? Cause the meaning of practice is completely different than meaning of dedication. That is why all people who study Yngwie's playing and learn his licks will never get there. And bit by bit, you can trace this to Blackmore and Uli. Do you really think practice plays any importance in playing good? Nope. Well, think of Picasso. Think of Einstein. You see amir, they were not really 'model' citizens. As far as social behaviour goes these people were horrible. But then so what amir? So fucking what? To them creating what they had to create was their salvation. That is why I can't understand this. Today, couple of minutes ago I open a geetar mag and I read all these dude either

1. pretending to be cool, mature, good, ...etc you know the crap

2. or extremely , utterly boring attempts to be Satanistic, horrible, shocking..

what do they have in common.....SHALLOWNESS. And why is that Adis? Becuause they are trying to 'portray ' themselves to other people as something they are not. For example, you don't have to be overly...'satanist'..looking guy in order to be on evil side. face it, we are all bunch of incests when it comes to sinning. You don't have to pretend you are that extra. Just be yourself and you will realize your own misery. That is why don't pretend to be good either. Cause you are lying to yourself ...not me. Everybody knows the truth. just how much do you lie to yourself to justify your actions? than realization hits you....

anyways, lets talk about Uli now. Now, a while ago Uli mentioned in interview that music was sacred for him. That is why I went on his website and read some info about him. Go ahead and read for yourself. Now, you will see that Uli is into Greek arts as well. But then again ...lets see if we can link ancient approach to arts and this issue of sacred music. So to create this link you can read what Rousseau thought of music. Rousseau was heavily inclined toward Sparta and its way of living. But yesterday I read Schiller. That is why while memory is still fresh, read about Schiller.Schiller was writing in 1795 in the midst of the revolutionary turmoil that was to change Western culture forever and introduce in full force wht we have come to call modernity. His view, then , was much better thatn that of his predecessor Rousseau who was writing while Europe was still deeply enmeshed in the ancien regime. Schiller could thus not help acknowledge that the old ways were finished, that the modern had arrived, that reason had triumphed over superstition. The Aesthetic Letters represent Schiller's view of a man and civilization he creates. In these Letters, Schiller revealed his thoughts on the relationship of art and beauty to life, to politics, and to social revolution. His belief was that man and institutions gradually evolve toward a higher moral plane. Now, how does this have anything to do with neoclassical music? It has everything to do with it. Music is a symptom my friend of the culture. Music is mirror or reflection of the culture. Schiller believes that the social system reflects the character of its citizen. How do you know that society is heading toward barbarism? Well the symptoms are: violence, selfishness, destruction, and superstition, and at the same time cultivated class is pervaded by perversity, decay, egotism and moral shallowness. So what is the underlying cause behind all this? The underlying cause is man's imbalance between his animal and rational drives, a condition that certain developments in civilization itself exacerbate such as overspecialization.

Now, how can adis the menace apply this to the content of RFO posts? EAsy, just read posts by me, Amir, and Steve and see the Truth for yourself. So adis the menace, what is this overspecialization. Well, ask amir!!!! read his recent posts!!! Specialization means channeling all energy into mastering a particular subject within a profession or busines, or adapting a single skill or talent to one particular function. This is an affliction all to familiar to us in the 20th Century. It is unnatural as it is undesirable. Now, steve , you have a Ph.D. You can think so think!!! you see being a musicians today is very hard. This is not bitching. This is reallity. If you dont trust ME, then read a new article in geetar player by Carl VErheyen. Carl Man, you said it right. Carl spoke a lot of truth. I Love you Man!!! you are inspiration dude!!! anyways, you see musicians are treated like garbage. They are thought to be lazy bums, morons, egoistic basterds. nothing positive. but always working against the society. that is the general belief that lots of people hold. Not everybody is smart. But here let amir read this over and over again: BECAUSE, ALTOUGH SPECIALIZATION LEADS CIVILIZATION AS A WHOLE TO FULFILLMENT, IT DEHUMANIZES CITIZENS. THUS SCHILLER DIAGNOSES THE MALADY OF HIS AGE AS PSYCHIC IMBALANCE CAUSED BY OVERSPECIALIZATION. Therefore, musicians should go away from music and live the life.

What does this have to do with Uli? Well, In ancient Athens, for instance, the well rounded individual was expected to be able to play a musical instrument, compose an ode, deliver an oration, serve as statesman, manage his estate, defend his country, compete in sports and so on. This ancient ideal has been replaced by a man who knows everything about something and nothing about anything else. There are doctors, laywers, professors, etc..but few human beings. So steve, how do I contribute to society? Answer: By being sellfish. For the sake of civilization, we must promote inner harmony. no reason helps here. that is why your reasoning does not work steve. Because altough its task is to concieve and establish law, it has NO power to enforce it. After establishing that we can rely neither on the state nor on reason to facilitate th improvement of man, Schiller finally prescribes the right medicine in the 9th Letter. "This instrument is Fine Art".

HOW DOES THIS PROCESS WORK? It involves man's mimetic faculty. Not only do men imitate one another in learning how to speak and how to express their feelings, they imitate even more wht they see on stage, a canvas, the printed page, or in recent times televison. ART, GOOD OR BAD, SHAPES MAN'S VALUE SYSTEM. ART IS EXPRESSION OF VALUES. LIFE IMITATES ARTS, NOT OTHER WAY AROUND. Not only does man learn by imitating, he transforms himself into what he imitates. To improve the citizen, 'banish from their pleasure caprice, frivility, and coarseness, nd imperceptibly you will banish these form their actions and , eventually, form their inclinations too'. Now, if man imitates art, the artists of the world are mankind's true shapers. This is an awesome responsibility, and Schiller has some advice to give. and Amir and STeve read this 1000 times: THE ARTIST MUST NOT CATER TO PUBLIC WANTS. HIS TASK IS NOT TO ENTERTAIN BUT TO ELEVATE MAN, TO FREE HIM FROM HIS ANIMAL NATURE. HE MUST GIVE THE CITIZEN ART TO IMITATE THAT WILL ENNOBLE HIS CHARACTER. "work for your contemporaries, but create what they need, not praise"

ART FUNCTIONS AS THE INSTRUMENT OF PROGRESS BECAUSE IT SHAPES CHARACTER. Thus, according to Schiller's theory of social evolution, by means of art man ascends form the natural state to the moral state. Now, Schiller also identifies the deterministic and conflictting forces operating within and on the psyche with the object of how they can be neutralized through play and beauty. Psyche is a subject to compulsion from 2 sources: Sense drive (stofftrieb,) and these are the impulses arising from animal nature. This sense drive designates those things we share with other animals, and this side of our psyche is passive in nature; that is , it requires outside stimulation to be brought into action. The sense derive includes sense perception, the emotions,and such basics as feeding, fighting and procreations. talk about today's musicians who play clubs!!!! beer, beer, more beer!! You see their emotions are brought into play by wants. That is why read that Bhagavad Gita advice : 'have few desires'. the sense drive is an animal. It demands constant activity. It thrives on experience. Look at your fellow musicians friends. Can you measure the extent of their sense drives? THE OBJECT OF THIS DRIVE, IN SHORT IS 'LIFE'. It has no goal beyond immediate experience. You see getting a ph.d. in Life is actually bad. ....but 'bad'...only for a rationalist. This drive is grounded in something beyond our control which Schiller identifies as Time, Chance, And Changing Circumstance. It follows that purely sensate man has no power to determine the course of his life. Instead, he is the object of capricious forces which sweep him back and forth like sand along the beach. When this drive functions exclusively, we have the highest degree of limitation. Can you recognize such behaviour on RFO? .....ignorance...makes you blind. Anyways, we have another drive called Form-drive (Formtrieb) which arises from the rational faculty. It designates the operations of the rational facility. It is the originator of those things which have existence only in human mind and which could not exist without it. This side of our psyche is inherently active and is constantly ordering and creating. It devises standards for judgments and methods for procedure. It creates laws and principles which it applies to everything we experience and feel and organizes it into a unity that has a meaning for us. This is the basis of art. you see the basis of art is the organization of principles of this self generated world. These principles have meaning to us. Now , do you think music is sacred? have you read the Book of Job? have you read the danger of self-justification? are you going to justify your action and defy God? It seems to me that art and God are in total contradiction. Why? Cause you have no power to do anything. your body does not belong to you. If your body does not belong to you, then how can you assume that some event as music belongs to you? You see, if you declare that music is sacred, then you declare that you are a religious person. If you are not a religious person than you don't have to declare that music is sacred. But once you claim that you are religious then you belong to God. Your body does not belong to you. Your thoughts do not belong to you. If you have bad thoughts then you get punished for them, cause remember the saying 'eyes that do not perversely see, ears that do not perversely hear...' So.....we come to this issue. How can you claim that you make sacred music if nothing belongs to you? If you read religious texts than you will realize that God has no association whatsoever. No image can conceive him. Our imagination is limited to 10 ...above and below, after, before, so on...and remember that saying 'beware of the physical world'....Now, how can you create music and at the same time avoid the trap of crystalization? Well adis the menace what is crystalization? Crystalization is disguised as beauty. I will skip few letters from Schiller and mention this idea of play and beauty. 'Play works its magic by satisfying simultaneously both the demands of the flesh and those of spirit'. Now, we know that spirit wars against the flesh and flesh against the spirit. Eastern philosophy advice the issue of balance. Now, this is where all these issues start contradicting. In western thought, an artists for eg paints a picture purely for the pleasure involved. Our delight in play appears to derive precisely from its nonutilitarian character. this play drive can be thought as the force that permeates the psyche and binds it toghether. this side of our psyche is both active and passive at once, it produces and receives at the same time. For man, it is ony play that makes man whole and unfolds both sides of nature at once'. Men only plays when he is in the fullest sense of the word a human being, and he is only a human being when he plays. If we can imagine a purely playful man, it is one who transcends mind and body, and is truly free'. Now, in his 15th letter play and beauty are compounded of the same elements: if the object of sense drive is life, and that of fomr drive form, than the object of the play drive is 'living form', that is 'what in the widest sense of the term we call beauty'. Like form, beauty is compounded of 2 elements. It is form because we think it. It is life because we feel it. Like play, it gives us something to enjoy passively and to imitate actively. NOW IF PLAY AND BEAUTY ARE ALIKE, THAT MEANS TAHT BOTH HAE THE SAME SYNTHESIZING EFFECT ON THE PSYCHE. Since beauty is the product of artistic play, we understand deeper meaning of Schiller's claim in the 9th letter that the key to gates of progress is fine art. In the 18th letter, Schiller points out that if beauty brings the senses nearer to reason and rason nearer to sense, it follows 'that ther must be a state midway bwtween matter and form, passivity and activity, and that it is into this middle state that beauty transport us'. He calls this middle condition the Aesthetic state. His thesis is that Real Human progress is toward the aesthetic state. he says that 'aesthetic state is the natural object of the drive to play'. he observes that we are transported into this ideal condition through the enjoyment and through the creation of various kinds of 'aesthetic semblance' (asthetischer schein) Now, here we have two kinds of semblance. False semblance is always deceptive. Hello me , this is me again? ...It misleads judgment because it pretends to mirror reality. Humanoids practice false semblance, for instance, when they pretend to be something they are not....hello me..this is me again. ...or pretend to be Jimi,...or Blackmore...you know the story. Now, Artistic Semblance applies only to art and it is what distinguishes art from reality. ART AS AESTHETIC SEMBLANCE IS MAN MADE AND INDPEPENDENT OF REALITY. Since aesthetic semblance pretends to be nothing other than it is, there is no danger of confusing it with truth and reality. " to attach value to semblance, can never be prejudicial to truth, because one is never in danger of substituting it for truth, whic is after all the only way in which truth can ever be impaired". For Schiller, a work of art is Pure Illusion. Now, isn't Satan master hypnotist and illusionist as well? 'like a rainbow or a sunset it is devoid of substance and has no separate reality apart from its appearance. herein lies its power. ' Since artistic semblance cannot be used for anything, the mind is liberated form practical considerations, and it slips out of the everyday world into the realm of sheer appearance which is the aesthetic state. Semblance, therefore in schiller's opinion is the instrument which transports us from reality into aesthetic freedom. Whenever we do more than necessity dictates, we transcend necessity, which is the definition of aesthetic freedom. according to schiller, 'aesthetic semblance has always played the leading role in making rise from barbarism'.Man ornaments his possessions fo rthe same reason that he plays. So you think music is sacred? So you ornament music with various devices? So you defy good but claiming music as your possession? hmmm.....where is Satan roaming around here...... The key issue here is beauty. Beauty can represent Divine and can at same time lead to Sin. You see art as a form will constantly change. The key issue here is ATTITUDE. The key issue here is the recognition that humility and great deal of self criticm might keep you on the right track. The key issue here is that by keepin music sacred, you use it a prayer and not as association with God, nor using attributes cuase that is the greatest sins of all. I read somewhere that God will forgive sins if repentance is accepted but will never forgive any association nor assigning of attributes....That is WHY it is better to keep music strictly business, because otherwise you enter deep waters that will swallow you....F a s t. Anyways, this is just a brain teaser. oh well. got to go to class now. Hey amir, bad news dude. ...jam at pic will be closed down 2 weeks from now....sad...after 6 years of jaming......oh well, something new will happen.

Fri Nov 6 10:41:14 1998
From: 13 at blackcomb.sfu.ca
amir dude, do ye know waz happenin' with Kee Marcello?? I haven't heard about that dude in loooooooooong time! He is one of my early influences dude. too bad americans are not really familiar with this dude. anyways, to the man steve, steve you want Dokken? you want Dokken? Well here is another news steve for ya! Reb Beach from Winger will join Dokken. So wazz Norum doing then? Well, his solo album is supposed to come out on Zero...Can't Wait!!!! until then I got to go harrass somebody for that new Rio video!!! jawohl Yngwie!!!Anyways, did anybody hear those fusion projects Reb was working any? can anybody recommend some tapes or something? I like early Winger stuff. They had some really melodic tunes. but I like more of a strut or gibson tone ala Gary Moore. Hey GAry Moore got a new album too. got to get that welfare check and get it. amir dude, can i borrow some money? i'll give you a kiss or something? 
I love Yngwie Malmsteen too. Sun Nov 22 15:35:43 1998
From: Bianca Gerent at 200.215.8.184
I liked a lot your page. I love Yngwie Malmsteen and his songs very much. Your page is fantastic! Yngwie Malmsteen is the best of guitar player of the world!!!
Marcel Jacob Fri Dec 11 05:13:03 1998
From: Stefan Berg at t3o86p115.telia.com
Marcel Jacob former Yngwie, Talisman bassplayer has quit playing and is now majoring in psycology. Too bad I loved his Playing! See ya, Stefan!
to Stefan ...Marcel Jacob rules!!!!!! Sun Dec 13 12:23:45 1998
From: 13 at blackcomb.sfu.ca
2 kick ass people Yngwie stole from Norum

1. Goran Edman -the singer with the most amazing clean singing ever....no comparison!! period!!!

2. Marcel Jacob....along Jaco...on of the coolest bass players on earth!!!!!Anybody seen that Norum bootleg where Marcel plays the paganini caprice on bass??? Now check this out...imagine Yngwie, Norum, Jens and Marcel on a project together!!!!!!! anyways, what I like about Marcel is that he is soooo original and clean. His timing and precision is great and I never heard him wank. I think him and Jens have some sort of telepathy or something....anyways, beside that Norum bootleg thang, I like that video with Marcel, I think it is Norum's "Love is Meant to Last Forever"......heavenly, Norum with Marcel and Goran.....beautiful....anyways, lets now speak of singers...I think when it comes to rock style I love Goran's voice, and yes....yes...yes..G.Hughes and David C. complete the list.......of best singers in the world. Out of new guys what do you think of John West? I think his voice is happening totally, and Kollman knows how to interpret the style and add some extra cool chords with lots of groove and juice. Now...for me...just as my taste goes.....for me....the best ONE and nobody else......HENDRIX-the best voice ever!!!!! So natural, so beautiful, so passionate...so honest..full of love and intelligence with the best messages in music. Art to fullest extent.best playing, best singing, best messages........why ? cause it is 100 % honest and comes straight out of experience of life. No bullshit. No poser fake learned knowledge. No complex ego game. Pure human being with intelligence and love right in the balance which gives that reflection of total humility but pure humility. not that fake one, as many musicians these days fake humility to get positive judgement,not realizing they are doing quite opposite. Humility is not about respect, nor reputation. that is for poser musicians who for example sit here and all they do is look at the negative things I see, ignoring all positive things. everybody has negative things, and the people who only project to you positive things, are lying to you right in the face. humility is not about manners. it is about honesty. so as in sufi message...lose all respect and lose all reputation. I ain't nowhere near that sufi level, but seeing many musicians play, I can tell you the best musicians are ones who appear as assholes, (not word "appear"), who are honest, give it to you right in the face, and altough they appear not so nice, they are human beings full of love for music and sharing it so that love gets trasmitted. all other people are critics who think they are good judges, but fail to realize first principle of judgment....if you don't judge yourself, you can't know what the right judgment is, so how can you judge somebody else? ...anyways, the whole point is that it is all about honesty. You should do whatever you feel like doing. I like Hendrix because he felt and did what he had in his head. Same with Norum,and same with Marcel. that is why styles don't matter. styles come and go. Yngwie played what he felt like playing so you get his RFO thing happening. that is why other people should play whatever is on their head and play with honest motivation, nor for sake of impressing somebody, nor showing off, just because they feel like 'talking' with their music their own way. Some other guy told me the other day..'adis, you idiot, why do you project negative stuff? you are ruining your reputation?......."...can you believe this crap? Good reputation is your number one enemy cause it makes you dependent on judgment of other people and then you become a machine or slave. weak people need good reputation. they can't handle straight to the face truth. so they use manners so they can feel good. but think then...if you feel good...then why play music? you have nothing to express then. when you are positive and happy, you become numb to reality and just do some fluffy poser so called elevator music 'oh I am an artist' crap. I like King'X....you know why? cause it is meat, chunk, and balls, and it is REAL!!!! As far as my own taste in music goes...the only coolest singers for the straight out of soul style....Doug P. ..Hendrix....you get the idea.

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