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Appendices

Dualists Against Their Will: the Philosophy of Mind

of R.Tallis, R.Sperry, T.Nagel, J.Levine, C.McGinn, G.Strawson

Scientistic-materialistic prejudices exert powerful pressure upon philosophers who feel unsatisfactoriness of materialism, but strive to maintain scientific respectability and shun anything that somehow associates with religion. Since 1970th years, quite a few interesting philosophers formulated important considerations and arguments directed against materialism; however some of them continue to call themselves materialists and express the hope that materialism nevertheless can be true, or even the belief that it should be true despite our inability to understand how it is possible; some others call themselves materialists while substituting the meaning of the concept "materialism"; yet others search for a middle way between materialism and dualism... The most interesting is so-called “misterianism” (T.Nagel, C.McGinn, J.Levine) – the view that the mind should be property of the brain though we are unable to understand how it is possible; it or either impossible at all or demands some vast conceptual revolution which will radically change our understanding both of mind and physical reality.

The maintenance of such belief is much dependent on use (in discussions about the mind) of the concept 'physical' without clear definition of its content. Such use allows to assert that the mind may be (or even should be) something physical despite whatever arguments against this statement. It seems that arguments clearly testify against physicalism (materialism); but misterians try to interpret this situation epistemologically – as inadequacy to the tast of understanding the mind of all modern reductionist approaches, or even human cognitive capabilities generally – and to avoid the ontological (metaphysical) conclusion about falsity of materialism.

In this Appendix I will discuss some of the most interesting and popular theories such “dualists against their will”.

 

Raymond Tallis and the Ghost in the Machine

Raymond Tallis (physician-neurologist, philosopher and cultural critic) in the excellent book “Aping Mankind: Neuromania, Darwinitis and Misrepresentation of Humanity” fights “Neuromania” (“the appeal to the brain, as revealed through the latest science, to explain our behaviour” (P.5)) and “Darwinitis” (“an inflamed mode of Darwinian thought” (P.5)), as well and scientism (“the mistaken belief that the natural sciences (physics, chemistry, biology and their derivatives) can or will give a complete description and even explanation of everything, including human life” (P.15)) generally. Instead, Tallis works (on my judgment, very successfully) to “develop an image of humanity that is richer and truer to our distinctive nature than that of exceptionally gifted chimp” (P.10). This distinctive nature may be summarized by the statement that man is “the animal who does things explicitly and whose natural medium is a community of minds extending geographically across the globe and historically into the accumulated consciousness of the human race.” (P.157)

Programmatic thesis of the book, in yet one quotation: “…it's a mistake to pick out more elevated or spiritual modes of behaviour, such as writing sonnets or composing a symphonies or investigating the laws of nature or believing in God. …it suggests that our differences are only marginal: evident in the top 4 per cent of our behaviours. After all, few of us spend much time writing sonnets and most none at all. If my difference from beasts depended on my ability to write symphonies or to worship a god then I would not make the grade. … The point is that our difference from beasts is wall to wall, permeating every moment of our day. We are as remote from animals when we queue for tickets for a pop concert as when we write a sublime symphony.” (P.150) In the book (as well as in many other his books) Tallis masterly unfolds this thesis.

Among other things, Tallis does much in a way of partial explanation of evolutionary development of mind (consciousness) by revealing those bodily changes which prompted and directed evolution from animal to human minds.

But Tallis’ evolutionary explanation of mind’s development is not explanation of existence of the mind (of subjects, bearers of mind, selves) – either human or animal. It is important to clearly distinguish these two questions:

1. Given subjects able to have subjective experiences, what prompts and directs development and enrichment of these abilities (of subjective realm, mind, consciousness)?

and

2. Given the purely physical reality, how can it produce subjects able to have subjective experiences? How these subjects can get into existence?

Tallis gives a good account with respect to the first question; but it leaves the second in the state that “may require us to see that it is more than a problem, or even to see that it is more than "a hard problem". It is a mystery”. (P.145)

With respect to the second question, Tallis’ emphatically argues: “The very notion of a complete account of the world in physical terms is of a world without appearance and hence a world without consciousness”. (P.143) And it is certainly not the image of the world Tallis approves. He is well aware of “absurd position you get into when you assert that the sum total of reality is physical reality”. (P.133) To summarize: “human beings are not simply organisms but rather are embodied subjects”. (P.109)

At the same time, Tallis qualifies himself as “non-dualist atheist” (P.59) and emphatically objects against “the (incorrect) notion that the only alternative to accepting that the mind is identical with, or caused by, brain activity is dualism” (PP.89-90), “dualism that holds not only that we are ghosts in a machine but that there is "mind" free-floating in the world between bodies”. (P.229)

A can but wonder about these objections. ‘Dualism’ means the view that the mind is not identical with the brain activity and, generally, with any physical processes whatever. The view that “human beings are not simply organisms but rather are embodied subjects” is the view which Gilbert Ryle depreciatingly dubbed by the phrase “the ghost in the machine”. And in traditional philosophical terms it is called “substance dualism”. So, Tallis’ objections against dualism remind me of the widow who has flogged herself (from the play of famous Russian writer Nikolai Gogol). And where did Tallis got that fable about “"mind" free-floating in the world between bodies”? Surely not from Descartes or Popper!

Òàëëèñ considers his conception as an alternative to the widespread enough view “that to believe in the self is to believe in a little man, a ghost inside the machine, that somehow operates on the world although it is not part of it” – in "homunculus". Tallis aspires “to develop an account of the self that is both robust and homunculus-free” (P.263-264), “an account of enduring personal identity that doesn’t require us to imagine a homunculus, or a Cartesian ghost in the cerebral machine” (P.274). The aspiration is laudable; the only pity is that Tallis mistakes the caricatures on the dualism, thought up by its opponents, ("homunculus", “ghost in the machine”) for dualism.

In fact, Tallis attempts to give more concrete account of self’s emergence which can seem non-dualistic since it tries to identify the self with the body despite that the body as a physical system has no subjectivity. Tallis describes emergence of the self as awakening in the body of “the existential intuition "I am this"” (where "this" is initially the body as far as it is mastered). (P.273) The problem with this account is that such an intuition is a subjective mental state which, as well as any other subjective mental state, already presupposes the existence of the mental subject, self. No intuition is possible without someone “intuiting” it, – exactly as a feeling which noone feels, thought which noone thinks, desire which noone desires. The body as a physical system is but a huge multitude of molecules, atoms etc., moving and interacting in a certain ordered way according to physical laws. Nothing more occurs in the body, – no subjective mental states, including the existential intuition.

At least, for someone who thinks otherwise, Tallis’ idea about the emergence of the self as the awakening in the body of the existential intuition is quite unneeded: he/she can simply assert that the body (while alive) is simultaneously both a physical system and a mental subject? However, then the question arises: what is the relation between the physical system of the body qua physical system and the mental subject? Obviously, Tallis’ hypothesis does not remove the question; concerning this question, nothing changes if the mental subject begins his-or-her existence from the existential intuition. And if Tallis acknowledges that they interact, that the mental subject (the self) is causally efficient, is capable to influence the body and, through it, the physical world, then we arrive at emergentist dualism-interactionism, i.e., using G.Ryle's metaphor, emergent “Cartesian ghost in the machine”.

Eventually, Tallis describes his position as ontological agnosticism, considering it as a possibility to avoid both “a physic-based materialism” and “the mistake of embracing neutral monism or dualism as an alternative to materialism” (P.359). Such a "solution" seems to me quite inadequate; and I see its inadequacy not in the commendation of the position of ontological agnosticism, but in considering this position as an alternative to materialism, dualism, neutral monism, as well as panpsychism and idealism. If Tallis position was: “I do not know and have no opinion as to whether the mind is some physical processes (in the body, the brain of a person) or not, and also as to whether there is mind-independent physical reality or the whole so-called physical reality, including human bodies and brains, is but phenomena of my mind”, – this would be complete ontological and mind-body agnosticism. But Tallis’ position is quite different, since he contends that the mind, the self is not some physical processes, but is something different, and since he doesn’t accept the position opposite to materialism – the position of idealism, according to which the brain, the body and the whole physical world are mental phenomena. Thereby he takes the position of mind-body dualism. Surely, within the precincts of this position many further questions and problems arise, and with respect to many of them it is reasonable to take the stand “I don’t know”. Also, some limited version of ontological agnosticism seems a reasonable position, since at the present we cannot offer a satisfactory complete understanding of the world in which frameworks the aforementioned further questions and problems would find satisfactory solutions. But this version of ontological agnosticism should be limited by mind-body dualism, i.e. should exclude all possibilities incompatible with the recognition of non-identity between physical reality (parts of which are the human body and the brain) and the mind, the self. This excludes all varieties of ontological monism (materialism, idealism, neutral monism). Also, it seems that panpsychism is to be excluded too, on a bit different grounds (in particular, those adduced by Tallis himself). Generally, whatever the arrangement of the world is, it should be such that there was a room for at least two qualitatively radically different fundamental kinds of reality, the physical objects and the mental subjects (selves), and for their interaction. I.e., the ontology of our world should be at least dualistic, or it may be pluralistic.

 

R.Sperry’s Mentalism = Materialism + Under-quasi-irreducibility + Smuggling the Mind as Subjectivity

The eminent neurophysiologist (the Noble prize winner for the researches over the brain-splitted patients) Roger William Sperry in the article "Mind-Brain Interaction: Mentalism, Yes; Dualism, No" has presented his conception of the solution of the mind-body problem.

The article is polemics with the book of Karl Popper and John Eccles (who was also the Noble prize winner in neurophysiology) “The Self and Its Brain”, which defends interactionist dualism. Sperry sees in Popper's- Eccles’ book “joining forces to affirm dualistic belief in the reality of the supernatural and the existence of extraphysical, unembodied agents to challenge some of the most fundamental precepts of science”. And he states his concern with “the kind of public message that is conveyed, directly or indirectly, by their book … along with Eccles's more recent volume The Human Mystery and the potential impact of these on the intellectual perspectives of our times”. The article is prompted by this concern and by “the fact that my own views and writings are cited in support of some of the key concepts and as being in alignment with dualistic interactionism”. However, Sperry also dissociates oneself from materialism.

Sperry describes his position as monism and mentalism, “as the term 'mentalism' is used in psychology in contrast to behaviorism; not, of course, in the extreme philosophic sense that would deny material reality”. However, his description of his position at the beginning of the article looks like dualism-interactionism: “Psychophysical interaction is explained in terms of the emergence in nesting brain hierarchies of high order, functionally derived, mental properties that interact by laws and principles different from, and not reducible to those of neurophysiology. … Interaction of mind and brain becomes not only conceivable and scientifically tenable… (Italics mine.)

It reads as the acknowledgement that the mind (mental properties) is irreducible to the processes in the brain (neurophysiology) and that it interacts with the brain. It is admitted that the brain and the mind are not the same (are two different things). Such a position is called in philosophy “mind-body dualism”. It is also admitted that the brain and the mind interact. Such a position is called in philosophy “interactionism”. However, Sperry flatly denies that his position is dualism and insists that it is monism. From the further explanations it becomes clear that it is really so, and that actually (if to use the words "not reducible", "interaction", "brain", "mind" in their usual sense) his theory does not acknowledges the existence of mental properties which are genuinely irreducible to physical processes in the brain, and, surely, no interaction between the mind and the brain (such interaction is impossible since the mind is the brain). However, there is one small but important "but" to it.

 

As for interaction, mind, brain and irreducibility, Sperry’s position gradually clears up beginning from the middle of the article, and is eventually clearly formulated in the subsection “Monism versus Dualism”: “Our theory describes the mental states as being built of, composed and constituted of physiological and physicochemical elements, and thus, in the sense of the definition, reducible to these.

If so, then what is the meaning of earlier many-times repeated Sperry’s statements that emergent mental properties are not reducible to neurophysiology, and that the mind (mental processes) interacts with the brain? It turns out that they mean the following: “The spacing and timing of the parts with reference to one another largely determine the qualities and causal relations of the whole but the laws for the material components fail to include these space-time factors.

I.e., in other words, the mental entities are irreducible to a spatiotemporally unordered multitude of the elements of the brain, but are reducible to the structured multitude which “includes space-time factors”! But any reduction with which science is concerned always “includes space-time factors”. It goes without saying that the brain it is not a mere multitude of atoms randomly heaped, but is a complexly spatiotemporally structured multitude of atoms. And it goes without saying that any reduction is a reduction of the properties of a system to a complexly spatiotemporally structured interactions and movements of the components of the system! And it is clear, that if someone reads Sperry’s statement that the mental properties are irreducible to neurophysiology, he/she understands it in that sense of the word reduction in which it is used in science, i.e. in the sense which “includes space-time factors”, – not in some entirely different sense of “philosophic, holist-reduc­tionist dispute” (in which, it turns out, Sperry uses it). In the context of a discussion on the mind-body problem, the scientific meaning of the concept is presupposed: any dualist, when asserting that the mind is irreducible to physical processes in the brain, and any materialist, when asserting that it is reducible to them, means a reduction which “includes space-time factors”. So, Sperry’s statements about irreducibility only mislead a reader.

In the sense in which Sperry uses the concept “irreducibility”, any physical system, even of a simplest sort, is irreducible to its components (for example, a meccano figure made of two details is not reducible to these details). In the terms discussed in the subsection “Materialistic Emergentism” of Section 6, Sperry’s “irreducibility” is not genuine irreducibility – even quantitative, let alone qualitative. Moreover, it fails short even of being quasi-irreducibility (when a phenomenon is in principle reducible to the movements and interactions of the constituent elements, but the reduction is not achieved because of excessive complexity), for even all those phenomena to which science has given an exhaustive reductive explanation are, in Sperry’s terms, irreducible to their components. (See also the subsection “Reductive Explanation” of Section 6.)

 

As for "interaction" between the brain and the mind, it turns out that with Sperry it mean nothing but that the brain as a complexly structured whole (and its constituent subsystems) determine a dynamics of the low-level processes in the brain (states and movements of individual neurons, molecules, atoms). And this whole, as we already know, is entirely reducible to the spatiotemporally structured multitude of these low-level elements.

But what all this has to do with the mind, mental states and processes (in the sense of subjectivity)? Nothing at all. What Sperry calls 'the mind' is the brain or some (physical) subsystem of the brain as a whole, described in functionalist terms – in terms of “information processing”. Accordingly, 'mental states' are some physical-informational states of the brain. And it is important to take into consideration that – often misleading (and, it seems, having misled Sperry) – ambiguity of the concepts 'information' and 'information processing' which we have discussed in Section 5.

In a somewhat different formulation, we can say that the physical systems and processes such as the sound vibrations of air, books, computers or brains, by themselves, besides their relation to human consciousness, do not contain any information in the usual human meaning of the word "information", and hence do no information processing. The "information" (in the technical sense) which they contain are some physical structures to which people, i.e. human consciousnesses, attribute by convention certain meanings, – and only by dint of this they become – when interpreted by a person, i.e. consciousness, in accordance with such conventions – information. "Information" contained in the vibrations of air, books, computers, etc., is information for human consciousness, not for air, books and computers. Likewise, "information" in the brain can be information only for consciousness, not for a brain.

The attribution of meanings to physical objects, processes, structures by dint of which they become information is, in principle, arbitrary and is guided by considerations of convenience. In principle, any object can represent any information, if people agree to consider it as a symbol of the corresponding meaning. There is nothing in the vibrations of air perceivable on hearing as a sound stream which may be divided into the sequence of sounds 'm'-'æ'-'n' or in the corresponding configuration of signs on a paper ('man') why they should mean a man (and bear the corresponding information). In other languages (on other people’s conventions), the same meaning is represented by other sequences of sounds (Ukrainian: 'l'-'u'-'d'-'i'-'n '-'a'; Russian: 'tʃ'-'e'-'l'-'o'-'v'-'e'-'k'; Chinese: 'r'-'e'-'n') and other configurations of signs on a paper (Ukrainian: 'ëþäèíà', Russian: '÷åëîâåê', Chinese: ). If there is a corresponding convention, any physical structure, any kind of physical objects or processes can designate anything you like (and to bear the corresponding information).

As for “information processing”, to repeat, neither a computer nor any other physical system do any information processing besides the relations of their physical structures and processes to the conventions – made by people, i.e. by consciousnesses – to attribute certain meanings to such kinds of structures and processes. Nothing happens in such physical systems but physical processes which change their physical states according to physical laws. However, computers (their structures) were designed by human beings (i.e. by consciousness) on the foundation of very complex mathematical and physical theories (invented by human beings, i.e. by consciousnesses) in such a way that it would be possible to create in their specific parts special physical structures which – according to established (by inventors of a system, human beings, i.e. consciousnesses) rules – mean certain initial information and certain programs-algorithms of information processing, to launch the interactions of the corresponding physical subsystems of the computer, and that these interactions would result in the new physical structures such that their interpretation according to the established rules gives information identical with the results of performing over the initial information the sequence of logical operations which corresponds to the algorithm of the program.

To summarize. The computers and their programs are invented, designed, thought up by thinking human beings, i.e. by consciousnesses. There is nothing in the computer and its work (“information processing”) which would be irreducible to physical structures and processes – there is nothing besides complexly organised physical structures and a huge multitude of parallel and consecutive physical processes. All this becomes information and information processing only so far as it is interpreted by human beings, i.e. by consciousnesses, according to certain rules of interpretation established by human beings, i.e. by consciousnesses. The rules of interpretation and the interpretation which make the physical structures and processes of a computer into information and information processing are something non-physical, existing and being accomplished besides the computer and any other physical system.

The conclusion: the interpretation of consciousness as the informational aspect of the brain analogous to a computer software, information and information processing is absolutely unsatisfactory.

 

So, Sperry’s theory actually turns out materialistic (functionalist) and differs from usual materialism not in the meaning but in the misleading "vocabulary" – using the words "reduction", "interaction", "mind" not in their usual meanings. But, there is a "but".

Sperry admits a considerable difference of the brain from other complex systems (such as TV): “the brain … is largely a self-programming, self-energizing system. It creates its own superseding mental programs with its own built-in subjective generators calling also on a life­time of internal memories and an elaborate built-in system of value controls and homeo­static regulators.”

In this description, we are to mark out the following fragment: “the brain … creates its own superseding mental programs with its own built-in subjective generators”. I would very much like to know: what are these “subjective generators”? How they are arranged and how they work? How they manage to generate the subjective? If Sperry would explain it, he would solve the mind-body problem. As it is, he just smuggles the subjective (having it heaped up – to pass through unnoticed – with a trash like “a self-programming, self-energizing system”, “homeo­static regulators”, etc.) – i.e. the mind, the mental, the phenomenal – into his, in all other respects quite materialistic, picture of the world.[1] And thereby he brings all his monism to naught.

 

The Subjective as Part of Objective Reality. Criticism of Thomas Nagel’s Dualismophobia

Among the works that have most weakened the positions of materialism in academic philosophy of the English-speaking countries of the second half of ÕÕ century and promoted the revival of philosophical discussions about consciousness, one of the first places belongs to Thomas Nagel's writings. However, in my opinion, Nagel’s writings have one essential drawback which impedes (even for Nagel himself) clear understanding of what Nagel’s arguments actually mean for the discussion between materialism and dualism. This drawback pertains to the understanding of the meaning of the word 'physical'.

In his famous article “What Is It Like to Be a Bat?” (1974) Nagel argues for the thesis about “the inadequacy of physicalist hypotheses that assume a faulty objective analysis of mind”.[2]

Nagel defends the thesis that unlike the physical facts, subjective experience cannot be understood from the outside of experience itself. Imagine, for example, a bat. Bats are blind and use, instead of sight, echolocation (sonar) system. Can we imagine how it feels subjectively? It seems that we cannot understand what the subjective experience of the bat is like (how it feels), even if we know all physical about the functioning of his echolocation system and brain. The specific subjective experience of the bat is something that “we can never describe or understand”, though it seems unreasonable to deny its “reality or logical significance”[3]: “Reflection on what it is like to be a bat seems to lead us … to the conclusion that there are facts that do not consist in the truth of propositions expressible in a human language. We can be compelled to recognise the existence of such facts without being able to state or comprehend them.”[4] Likewise, if there were some intelligent aliens without sight – may be, with some bat-like system of spatial orientation – they would not be able to imagine what it is like to be a human being and to experience visual perceptions as human beings do, even if they knew all the physical facts about the human visual system and the human brain. The specifically human forms of experience (in particular, visual perception as a subjective experience) would be the kind of facts that the aliens could not describe and understand, inexpressible in their language (as they have no such experience, there are no concepts in their language to designate it).

Nevertheless, in the same article Nagel writes that “the inadequacy of physicalist hypotheses that assume a faulty objective analysis of mind” is not a proof of the falsity of materialism; it “proves nothing”: “It would be truer to say that physicalism is a position we cannot understand because we do not at present have any conception of how it might be true. … We do not have the beginnings of a conception of how it might be true. … The idea of how a mental and a physical term might refer to the same thing is lacking, and the usual analogies with theoretical identification in other fields fail to supply it.”[5]

In my opinion, these Nagel's statements (as well as the similar statements of other authors about which we will talk later) are a consequence of the pressure of the dominating physicalist views on one hand and of the vagueness of the meaning in which he uses the central concept, 'physical', on the other.

Nagel himself remarks at the end of the article “What Is It Like to Be a Bat?”: “I have not defined the term 'physical'.” So what does he mean by this term while discussing throughout the article the question about the possibility of the reduction of consciousness (subjective experience) to the physical? Nagel tries to explain: “Obviously it does not apply just to what can be described by the concepts of contemporary physics, since we expect further developments. … But whatever else may be said of the physical, it has to be objective. So if our idea of the physical ever expands to include mental phenomena, it will have to assign them an objective character – whether or not this is done by analyzing them in terms of other phenomena already regarded as physical.”[6]

I think that my disagreement with Nagel’s hopes of the possibility of finding a new conceptual scheme which would allow to understand consciousness as something physical is based on my appraisal of such a definition of 'physical' (through 'objective') as inadequate. Instead, I advance the definition of physical as conceptually reducible to spatial locations and their changes with time (a modification of Descartes’ “attribute of extension”) which is quite in keeping with “the history of the question” and precisely conveys what is the real issue in the discussions between the materialists and their opponents. By the way, Nagel himself proposes the identical (with mine) definition in the article “Panpsychism” (1979) (see Section 1, note 15); but does not notice the principal difference between this definition and the definition through 'objective', and in the other article, “Subjective and Objective” (1979), he again identifies the opposition mental-physical with the opposition subjective-objective.

I think that this approach − an attempt to define 'physical' through 'objective' − is unsatisfactory. It is misleading, since the term 'objective' is more often used in the different meaning: something real, as it actually is, independently of our knowledge and ideas about it, in contraposition to imaginary, or thought of. So, the dualists and idealists think that consciousness exists objectively (the existence of consciousness is an objective fact), but this does not make it physical. Also, if a materialist contends that the phenomenal, subjective aspect of consciousness does not exist objectively, he does not mean that consciousness (as the realm of phenomenal, subjective) is not something physical (is something non-physical); he means quite the opposite: that the phenomenal, subjective aspect of consciousness is not what consciousness really is, but what it merely seems (subjectively). So, 'physical' is not a synonym for 'objective'; the meaning of the term 'objective' ('objective reality') is wider and may encompass not only physical reality, but consciousness (subjectivity) too.

To prevent misunderstanding, I need to make a caution: the further discussion is not a dispute about words: what the word 'objective' "really" means? It means whatever we mean by it. Of course, I think that the interpretation which I propose and explain in details below better corresponds to the language practice. But nothing would be wrong if we have agreed to use this word in the sense in which Nagel does – as a synonym to the concept 'physical'. If he consistently used the words 'subjective' and 'objective' only in such a sense, as synonyms to 'mental' and 'physical', not mixing it with the other senses (objective is what really is, how it is really; subjective is how something seems to us), he would hardly fail to see that his position, as described in the article “Subjective and Objective”, is metaphysical and mind-body dualism disguised by changed word usage.

So, my thesis is: the mental-subjective (the mind and its states – sensations, emotions, thinking, desires) exists objectively, is part of objective reality, – i.e. it is that is not merely imagined or thought of, but really exists; but this does not mean at all that it is physical.

The statement about the objective existence of the subjective, about the subjective as part of objective reality may seem paradoxical, but it just seems so because of the ambiguity of the concepts 'objective' and 'subjective'. 'Subjectivity' may mean mental character, belonging to a mind; and it may mean "how (what) something seems to us, in contraposition to how (what) it really is". And 'objectivity' may mean non-mental character; and it may mean "how (what) something really is, in contraposition to how (what) it seems to us". It is clear that subjectivity in the first sense (as mental character, belonging to a mind) does not contradict with objectivity in the second sense ("how (what) something really is").

So, my thought (if I really think it) exists just as really-objectively as the table or the pencil in front of me.  The referent-object of my thought – something I think about, such as I think it is – may exist or not exist, but the thought exists; its existence is an objective fact. And it is really (objectively) what it (subjectively) seems to be – a mental (subjective) state-process of my mind. For example, if I think of a unicorn, the unicorn does not really exist; but my thought of a unicorn, the idea of a unicorn in my mind, the image of a unicorn in my imagination – though they are, surely, subjective – do exist really (objectively). Do compare with the situation when someone thinks that I think of a unicorn, whereas really I do not think about it: in this situation what exists (objectively) is someone's (subjective) thought that I think of a unicorn, but my thought of a unicorn doesn’t exist.

The position of dualism is exactly that consciousness as the realm of subjective exists (really≡objectively) and that it is not something physical. Subjective and objective do not exclude one another. These concepts are opposite only as two sides of the cognitive relation: 'subjective' represents the subject of thinking (cognition) – the one who thinks (cognizes); 'objective' represents the object of thinking (cognition) – that about which the subject thinks (what is cognized). Our ideas are subjective as they belong to a subject, are his/her mental states; at the same time, they may be objective as they represent – more or less adequately – some object (are ideas about something – let us recollect about the concept of intentionality). And they objectively (i.e. really) exist and have certain contents, – they with their contents are part of objective reality.

Objective reality includes subjects of consciousness (human selves) with their subjectivity; the subjective, in its turn, comprehends in thinking various parts and aspects of objective reality, including itself.

Let us pay attention to the last phrase: the same person (as consciousness, a self) may be an object and a subject simultaneously. This is self-consciousness. I (as well as any other person) in the role of a subject can think about myself, and thus make myself the object of my own thinking. Moreover, in some act of thinking (thinking-2) I can think about myself as the subject of some other act of thinking (thinking-1). In this case, in the thinking-1 act I am the subject; and in the thinking-2 act I am the subject of the thinking which has as its object me-as-the-subject-of-the-thinking-1-act. And, surely, we can think about other subjects of thinking, thus making others-as-subjects-of-thinking the objects of our thinking. And these acts of thinking mean that we think about the subjects (of other acts and states) objectively, that our thoughts about them can be true or false, i.e. may correspond or fail to correspond their objects (to remind: in these cases, the objects are the subjects of other acts or states, including ourselves).

 

I think, that the main meanings of the words 'subjective' and 'objective' can be explained as follows.

The terms 'objective' and 'subjective' are used in such main meanings.

(1) If these terms are used to characterize thoughts, ideas, theories, then 'objective' means 'corresponding to an object'; 'subjective' – 'such that expresses the desires, biases, moods, specific features of a subject; a narrow, one-sided view of reality “from one’s own belltower”'. In this context, 'objective' and 'subjective' can be considered as synonymous to 'unbiased' and 'biased'.

(2) They may be used as synonyms to 'how it really is' (objective) and 'how it seems to someone' (subjective). It is clear that in this sense subjective may correspond or not correspond to objective. In this sense, objective reality is 'real reality', or merely 'reality ', in contraposition to its appearance or someone’s ideas about it.

In any of these two meanings, the pair of terms 'objective'-'subjective' is not synonymous to the pair 'physical'-'mental'.

(3) In the context of the mind-body problem, the term 'subjective' means subjectivity as part of (objective, in the sense (2)) reality − the subjective, mental states (thoughts, mental images, sensations, emotions, desires), consciousness of a person. Surely, we can agree to use the term 'objective' to designate all the rest – all that is not mental. Nagel’s reasoning can be understood in this sense; however, he confuses it with the sense 'objective' as 'as it really is'. I think that the use of the term 'objective' in the meaning 'not mental' is not typical; besides, I think it inappropriate because of the abovementioned confusion of meanings that it creates and that is not to be allowed in discussions on the question about the nature of consciousness.

So, objectivity is not definitive for 'physical'. Surely, physical is objective, but this does not mean that objective is physical. Not only physical may be objective; the content of the concept of objective (in the meaning “how it really is”) is wider than the content of the concept of physical, and encompasses subjectivity as mental reality and its subjects (selves).

We may attempt to approach the problem of the definition of ‘physical’ from the opposite direction, by asserting that the mind is the realm of  subjective (experiences and awareness) while 'physical' is all that is devoid of subjectivity. I think that it is really so, but not by definition. The definition of physical as devoid of subjectivity would be unsuitable, since it would incorporate the dualistic solution of the question about the relation between matter and mind (beg the question). For, if we define physical in this way, then consciousness (as subjectivity) cannot be something physical by definition; but this is improper: the opponents of materialism need yet to show that consciousness is not physical.

Instead, I propose – as such that, first, correspond to the traditional meanings of the terms and, secondly, represent the sides of the relation which constitutes the mind-body problem – the definitions of mind as the realm of subjective (experiences and awareness) and physical as conceptually reducible to spatial locations and their changes with time (see Section 1, subsections "The Concept of Physical (Matter)" and "The Concept of Mind as Subjectivity").

Accordingly, the pivot of the discussion is the question: whether subjective experiences are conceptually reducible to spatial locations and their changes with time? Or, in other words: whether such things as molecules, atoms, electrons, photons, etc., – things that are located and move somewhere in space, influence movements of one another according to physical laws, and have no ability of subjective experiencing and awareness, – may, when united in some complex structures, constitute subjective experiences and awareness? Whether subjective experiences and awareness may be nothing but complexly structured interactions of such particles, which are devoid of the ability of subjective experiencing and awareness?

These questions are pivotal, meaning-providing for the discussion between materialism (physicalism), dualism, idealism, panpsychism, etc. I do not know of any other definitions but those proposed above that would make this discussion correctly understandable. (In particular, the definition of physical as objective obviously does not satisfy this requirement.)

The definitions proposed above meet all requirements of the problem situation:

  they are clear-cut, unequivocal;

  they designate what is really at issue in the discussions about the nature of mind and its relation to material (physical) reality;

  the definition of 'physical' adequately covers all the realm of physics and is independent of the current state and the future development of physics;[7] besides, it covers all unproblematically material systems and processes on the higher levels of description (the whole of chemistry, and all there is to biology except mentality-subjectivity; this includes all physiology and outwardly observable, qua bodily movements, behaviour of animals and humans).

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Taking the aforesaid into account, let us analyse T.Nagel's deliberations about the mind in the article “Subjective and objective” (1979).

The meanings attributed by Nagel to the key terms are rather unclear. 'Objective' is something “from no point of view”, in the perspective "from nowhere", while 'subjective' is something inseparable from a certain point of view. Though Nagel assumes that there are different levels of objectivity, eventually he identifies 'objective' with physical or with non-subjective. 'Subjective', in its turn, is identified with mind, or the self. The position Nagel attempts to defend is that these two points of view – objective and subjective – should co-exist without aspiration to "absorb" one another, because if we see reality only from one of these points of view, we inevitable “analyze or shut out of existence”, "leave behind", "omit" something essential.[8] So, if we believe that the "objective" point of view is comprehensive, we “analyze or shut out of existence”, "leave behind", "omit" our own selves and subjective experiences.

I agree with these thoughts in essence, but I think (on the reasons explained above) that the term 'objective' in this context is inadequate, and would be better replaced with 'physical'. I have already said that this is not just a matter of word-usage (if it was just about words, it would not be worth spending the time). Something is essentially muddled in the analysis of the problem of mind in this article: the identification of the relation mind-physical with the relation subjective-objective confuses the author, obscures the real meaning of his deliberations (prevents clear understanding of what they really mean), creates the impression that this meaning is different. I mean that Nagel’s deliberations really mean ontological (metaphysical) dualism – the dualism of the physical and the subjective as two – equally real – kinds of realities, but they are presented as if they are merely about the dualism of points of view. Now I will explain this statement.

Physical is everything that may be comprehended in the physical ("objective" – in Nagel’s terminology) perspective. If there is something that cannot be comprehended in the physical perspective, this "something" is something non-physical. But, as Nagel recognises, our selves and their (our) subjective experiences just are something that cannot be comprehended in the physical ("objective") perspective. So, our selves with their subjective experiences are something non-physical, really existing alongside physical reality, – they are as real (are objective – in my sense) as physical reality.

Nagel’s statements constitute a simple syllogism:

1) our selves and subjectivity are inevitably “analyzed or shut out of existence”, "left behind", "omitted" in the “objective perspective”;

2) physical is objective[9];

Hence, (Nagel does not make this conclusion, but it logically follows):

Our selves and subjectivity is something non-physical.

But this is a downright metaphysical dualism!!!

Now we may imagine someone objecting: “Well, what if they are not physical? After all, they are not objective, – they just subjective (≡ imaginary, unreal, illusory). Objectively (≡ really) they do not exist. So, it is not a dualism.”

This objection contains a rather typical, for discussions about consciousness, scheme of the deception (and self-deception?) by confusing two different meanings of the word 'objective'.

If 'objective' means only non-mental, externally observable, and 'subjective' means only mental, knowable introspectively, then subjective is just as real as objective. (If it was not so, then – I think Nagel would agree – we shouldn’t be sorry about “analyzing or shutting out of existence”, "leaving behind", "omitting" these illusions, what actually does not exist. We should welcome it!) So, whatever way you turn them, Nagel’s statements mean metaphysical dualism.

But Nagel manages not to notice it. He writes, that the idea of soul is one of “metaphysical inventions” such that “their obscurity prevents it from being obvious that the same problems of subjectivity will arise with regard to them, if they really belong to objective reality”[10]. And on this ground Nagel objects against “annexation of the subjective to the objective world”, – i.e. against considering subjectivity (human selves) as part of objective reality.

But this is passing the buck! It would be better to look for an obscurity and concealing the obvious in the opposite direction – in the identification 'objective'-'subjective' with 'physical'-'mind'. On elucidating the ambiguity and confusion due to this identification, it appears that there is no obscurity in the idea of soul: the word 'soul' means exactly what Nagel (it seems, involuntarily, without realizing it) acknowledges our selves to be – something non-physical which is the subject of subjective experiences and awareness.

And I see no “problems of subjectivity will arise with regard to the soul, if it really belongs to objective reality”, – if we do not identify the concepts 'objective' and 'physical', but understand the concept 'objective' as synonymous to 'real', 'how-it-really-is', 'what really exists, such as it really is', – to distinguish from subjective as imaginary (not existing really), but not from subjectivity as mental reality and its bearers-subjects, selves.

In fact, I would not object to the terminological convention according to which 'objective' would mean 'physical', – but if we accept such a convention, we should recognise that full reality consists of constituents (subrealities) of the two different kinds: objective (≡physical) reality and our selves (subjective realities). So, contrary to Nagel’s objection against annexation of subjective reality to objective reality, we arrive at the same annexation, – it makes no difference whether we call the reality which comprises the physical and the subjective 'objective' or 'full'. What matters is that 1) our selves are not physical and 2) they are just as real as physical reality.

 

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Perhaps, I was too critical to Nagel’s deliberations which are dated by the decade of 1970-ies. They could be considered as immature approaches to the problem of the relation between objective and subjective points of view – posing the problem rather than its solution.

In a later work, “The View from Nowhere” (1986), Nagel has accomplished a high-quality analysis of this problem which is free of most of the drawbacks discussed above. In this work, Nagel criticizes quasi-objective scientism and arrives at the much more objective (unbiased) view of objectivity and subjectivity.

 The book begins with a discussion of the concepts of objectivity and subjectivity with respect to viewpoints, standpoints, perspectives. It is concerned not with objective reality, but with objective and subjective viewpoints, views of reality. I think that these Nagel’s explanations are very apt. Objective view is a view detached from person’s own position (the word 'position' has here the double meaning – both as present views and as person’s position in the world, society, etc.), while subjective view is a view from the standpoint of person’s own position. (It is the first pair of the meanings of the words 'objective' and 'subjective' among those I have listed above.) In fact, there is a similar explanation in the article “Subjective and Objective”. But there are some essential differences: in “The View from Nowhere” these meanings do not get mixed with “objective reality” (instead, there is a mention of “in a narrow sense objective reality”[11]) and the two perspectives are not considered as mutually exclusive. The first sentence is telling: “This book is about a single problem: how to combine the perspective of a particular person inside the world with an objective view of that same world, the person and his viewpoint included”.[12] (To compare with “Subjective and Objective”: there is no place for “the person and his viewpoint” within “an objective view”.)

A bit more about objectivity in quotations:

“To acquire a more objective understanding of some aspects of life or the world, we step back from our initial view of it and form a new conception which has that view and its relation to the world as its object. In other words, we place ourselves in the world that is to be understood. … a new conception … includes a more detached understanding of ourselves, of the world, and of the interaction between them. Thus objectivity allows us to transcend our particular viewpoint and develop an expanded consciousness that takes in the world more fully. … if we want to understand the whole world, we can’t forget about those subjective starting points indefinitely; we and our personal perspectives belong to the world.”[13]

Êàæåòñÿ, âñå ÿñíî.

It seems that all is clear.

Objectivity is transcending our particular viewpoints to develop  expanded consciousness which gives fuller understanding of the world as a whole, including ourselves (our selves) as subjects of understanding who have this or that viewpoint. To become more objective, we have to make efforts at understanding of different viewpoints and seeing things in their perspectives.

As for subjectivity, the talk is about two essentially different things:

(1) subjectivity ('subjectivity-1') as part of reality which is ourselves – our selves with their subjective experiences, thinking, awareness, viewpoints;

(2) subjectivity ('subjectivity-2') as the characteristic of our views opposite to objectivity is merely uncritical holding to one’s own viewpoint (which usually is not quite one’s own, but rather uncritically acquired viewpoint prevalent in one’s social surroundings), without an effort to rise above it and to develop fuller understanding. Subjective-2 persons do not question their "own" views and do not try really to understand other viewpoints.

It is important not to confuse subjectivity-2 and subjectivity-1. To become more objective means to become less subjective-2, while remaining just as subjective-1 as before. To be subjective-1 is to be a person. To be subjective-2 is to be prejudiced, dogmatic, self-satisfied, not self-critical.

Also, it is important not to confuse 1) transcending one’s own viewpoint with 2) ignoring himself, and other selves as those who have viewpoints (whatever they are) and various subjective-1 experiences. The first is the expansion of our consciousness and development of fuller understanding of the world, including ourselves (our selves). The second is narrowing of consciousness and acceptance of blinkered perspective of seeing the world – the perspective in which there is no place for ourselves (our selves). The first is genuine objectivity. The second is quasi-objective scientism – a form of collective subjectivity-2 which is too often fostered by modern scientific education and corporative biases.

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Nevertheless, I think that in this work Nagel still has not get rid of some biases with respect to dualism, and these biases have their roots it the distorting interpretations and a deal of misunderstanding. (I mean the classical dualism of the mental self and the body; Nagel, instead, gives a preference to a dual-aspect theory, which goes also under the name ‘property dualism’ and in fact turns out to be a sort of panpsychism.)

Nagel states his belief that “though the truth of dualism of mind and body is conceivable, it is implausible. There are better alternatives, even if the best hasn’t been thought of yet. … the relation between the mental and the physical is probably more intimate than it would be if dualism were true.”[14]

Whether there really are better alternatives? In addition to materialism and epiphenomenalism, about which I have already told pretty much, in the following sections we will discuss other major known alternatives in details. In my opinion, the analysis eventually tells not in their favour. As for the best alternative which “hasn’t been thought of yet”, – there are serious reasons for scepticism. The major fundamental alternatives are well-known (materialism, idealism, dualism, panpsychism) and, logically, there remains no place for something principally new. Surely, it may well happen that the further elaboration of one of these directions will change the balance in its favour, but as matters stand at present, my judgment in the light of known arguments is that the balance is in favour of dualism-interactionism. It needs to be noticed also that dualism allows, in principle, any degree of intimacy in the relation between the mental and the physical, besides identity; though it is to be acknowledged that too strong dependency of the mind on the brain makes dualism less plausible. Nevertheless, as far as I can judge, on balancing all known pros and cons, the alternatives are yet much less plausible.

Certainly, my general estimation of the balance is but my estimation with which you (or Nagel) may disagree. But, as the balance is formed by various "weights" on the opposite "pans" of our cogitative "scales", we need to consider these "weights". In particular, let us consider what Nagel calls “the main objection to dualism”:

“The main objection to dualism is that it postulates an additional, nonphysical substance without explaining how it can support subjective mental states whereas the brain can’t. … First, postulating such a substance doesn’t explain how it can be the subject of mental states. If there were a thing that lacked mass, energy, and spatial dimensions, would that make it easier to understand how there could be something it was like to be that thing?.. Second, no reason has been given to think that if we could find a place for mental states in the world by attaching them to a nonphysical substance, we could not equally well find a place for them in something that also has physical properties?”[15]

I think that if it were actually the main objection against dualism, this would mean that there are no serious objections against dualism. To decline this objection, one need merely to think about how common people, whose minds aren’t muddled by the “talks of substances”, usually understand the idea of soul. To begin with, it is to be always kept in mind that the soul is a human self, a subject of experiences, thinking, awareness, – that mental individual (in the initial sense of the concept 'individual' − indivisible) whose mental states they are. You are never to loose sight of the fact that mental states are always someone's mental states; they don’t exist of their own, without that subject (self) whose states they are. The brain cannot be a subject of mental states – just because the brain is nothing but a huge multitude of microparticles, which are spatially located in a certain way (so that they form a very complex structure) and change their locations according to physical laws, and all these particles feel absolutely nothing and have no awareness. The soul (≡the self) can be a subject of mental states merely because it is, so to say, by definition a subject of mental states; a subject of mental conditions is the very meaning (or, at least, its main part) of the concept of soul.

To demand an explanation of how it is possible for the soul (≡the self) to be a subject of mental states is the same as to demand an explanation of how it is possible for physical bodies to be spatially located, move, have mass, etc.

The soul (≡the self) is not merely a “nonphysical substance” – it is not "substance" at all, if the word is understood by the analogy to a physical substance-matter, as if we are talking of some stuff of which various things may be composed. The soul (≡the self) is not composed of any nonphysical substance-stuff. The soul (≡the self) is a subject of mental states.

At least, if we have understood that materialism is mistaken, if we acknowledge that

1) any relative locations of any number of any components which are not subjects of mental states (selves) does not constitute a subject of mental states (a self);

2) subjects of mental states (selves) exist,

then dualism – the distinction between the self (the soul) and the body (the brain) – follows with a logical necessity.

Now we may tackle with Nagel’s question: why to think that we could not find a place for mental states in something that also has physical properties? Taking into account the above discussion, the question is to be reformulated: why to think that we could not find a place for physical properties in something that also has mental states? That is: why the self (the soul) cannot have, alongside with mental properties, some physical properties?

The answer is: Who has told that it cannot? It can. Moreover, from the point of view of interactionism, the self does have some physical properties, viz. the properties to influence the brain in some complex way. It is just that no known physical entity is fit for the role of soul (self). (See the discussion of panpsychism in section 15.)

 

Joseph Levine and Metaphysical Implications of the Explanatory Gap

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[1] The same kind of "overlook" happens also in other Sperry’s statements. For example: Once generated from neural events, the higher order mental patterns and programs have their own subjective qua­lities and progress, operate and interact by their own causal laws and principles which are different from and cannot be reduced to those of neurophysiology … The mental entities transcend the physiological just as the physiological transcends the molecular, the molecular, the atomic and subatomic, etc.” (Italicizing mine.)

The fallacy of the second statement ("just as") may be easily seen, if we break the first statement in the two parts: 1) the mental entities “have their own subjective qua­lities and progressand 2) they operate and interact by their own causal laws and principles which are different from and cannot be reduced to those of neurophysiology”. We have already discussed the peculiar meaning of Sperry’s 'irreducibility'. Now let us attend to another pointthe part 1). Why, there is nothing analogous to 1) in the relations between the physiological, molecular, atomic and subatomic entities! So, “the mental entities transcend the physiological” in an entirely different way, in a much more radical sense than that in which “the physiological transcends the molecular, the molecular, the atomic and subatomic, etc.And this is exactly the mind-body problem is about!

[2] Nagel T. What is it like to be a bat? – pp.176.

[3] Nagel T. What is it like to be a bat? – pp.170-171

[4] Nagel T. What is it like to be a bat? – p.171.

[5] Nagel T. What is it like to be a bat? – pp.176-177

[6] Nagel T. What is it like to be a bat? – p.179.

[7] Much of confusion is brought by the interpretations of modern physical theories supported by many outstanding physicists, – in particular, the subjectivist interpretations and Bohr’s interpretation of the thesis known as “wave-particle duality”. Nevertheless, the fact remains that all physical concepts and theories eventually serve for  explanation and prediction of the phenomena observable in the forms of spatial locations and their changes with time (movements), and their ability to explain and predict such phenomena is the only criterion of their estimation and the justification of their existence (their raison d’etre).

As to “wave-particle duality”, the following is to be remarked. The most influential interpretation is that of Bohr, who proposed that physical microobjects are not "classical" physical particles (particles in the traditional sense which presupposes precise spatial location), but something that can’t be adequately understood in traditional terms, but that displays both corpuscular ("classical" particles), and wave properties. The ground for this judgment is Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle which tells about the impossibility of precise measurement of the momentum and the location of a microparticle: the more precisely we measure the momentum of a particle, the less precisely we can measure its location, and vice versa. Bohr has proposed to interpret this principle in the sense that a microobject has no definite spatial location and momentum. However, this interpretation is not the only possible and consistent with the results of the relevant experiments. (K.Popper testifies that even Einstein confessed that he does not understand the sense of this Bohr’s theory.)

The alternative interpretation considers the uncertainty described by Heisenberg’s formula not as a property of microparticles (the property of having no certain location and momentum), but as limitations of the possibilities of our knowledge (about an individual arrangement and an impulse of each microparticle). In more details, this interpretation can be described by such positions: 1) every individual particle has a certain location and momentum though it is impossible to ascertain them precisely; 2) Heisinberg’s principle expresses the statistical properties of a stream of particles (on the microlevel it is impossible to observe individual particles): if a stream of particles is generated in such a way that the projections of their momentums on the datum line x fall into the range p0x±∆px, then their locations projected on this datum line fall into the range x0+∆x, so that ∆px*∆x is a constant (ħ/2 where ħ is Planck constant); 3) microobjects are "classical" particles (having a certain location, though it cannot be ascertained more precisely that Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle allows), and they have also wave properties – that is, properties to create in the surrounding space dynamic (law-abidingly changing with time) physical fields which, in their turn, influence movements of the particles. (See: Popper K. Realism and Quantum Theory // Unended Quest. – p.101-108.)

[8] Nagel T. Subjective and Objective. – p.212-213.

[9] whatever else may be said of the physical, it has to be objective” (Nagel T. What Is It Like to be a Bat. – p.179.)

[10] Nagel T. Subjective and Objective. – p.211.

[11] Nagel T. The View from Nowhere. − p.7.

[12] Nagel T. The View from Nowhere. − p.3.

[13] Nagel T. The View from Nowhere. − pp.4-6. (Êóðñèâ ìîé.)

[14] Nagel T. The View from Nowhere. − ð.29

[15] Nagel T. The View from Nowhere. − ð.29

 

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