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Indus: Who were they?

Author: NOVO

E-mail: [email protected]             4th July 2000

Last Updated 29th September 2001

Indus Dravir Aryan
North West India until 1800 BC South and North East India as in Bengal. Some in Southern Pakistan who speak Brahui. Northern India
Dance forms, probably for Shiva Indian Dance forms come from Dravir South India and Bengal in the North showing the origin. All for Shiva. Dances probably taken from Dravirs
Elephants and tigers, no horses (The horse fossil is a hoax -- Omar, harappa.com producer) Moreover, no horse image has been found on any of the seals. Bengal gave India the Hastyayur Ved, a book teaching how to care for elephants. (600-200 BC) Bengal King also had thousands of war elephant according to Greek/Latin historians. (A Thousand Year Old Bengali Mystic Poetry" by Hasna Jasimuddin Moudud) Aryans used horses and the horse is very important.

The vedas have little knowledge of the elephant and none of the tiger. (Is Indus Valley Civilization  Dravidian's  or Aryan's? by Dr. M. Deivanayagam and Dr. D. Devakala)

Seafarers Seafarers: Kerala, Bangla, Kalinga. Bengal also fought using boats in their battle against the Pandus, conquerors from North India.(Bhishma-parvan) Landlubbers
Yoga Present before contact with Aryans as in Bangla. (A Thousand Year Old Bengali Mystic Poetry" by Hasna Jasimuddin Moudud) Absent in older Aryan religions
Cities are advanced with irrigation, dam, sewage, indoor plumbing etc. Bengal common place names end in -Pur, which means fort or city. City names are also Nagar etc.

Bengals/Kalingas seem to have expanded into Java and migrated to the east where they built exquisite structure as the Angkor Wat.

Not much known about South India but some tales such as the Ramayana speaks of the great city of Ravana as far south as Sri Lanka.

Originally nomadic and later village based; cities built much later close to the end of the first millennium BC. Cities looked down upon in older texts. (Rig Veda)
Probably proto-Shiva worshipped. Horned God. Female deities. The bull is important. Shiva worshipped. Female deities more important in Shaiva tradition.

Shiva present in pre-Aryan Bangla. (A Thousand Year Old Bengali Mystic Poetry" by Hasna Jasimuddin Moudud)

Indrah, Varuna, Mitra worshipped. Later Shiva is adopted with subordinate female goddesses. No horned Gods. Shivalinga is degraded in the early Ved. In vedic religion and in modern India the cow is more important.
Third eye Third Eye (Vindya, Tip) Third Eye (Vindya, Tip)
Philosophy not known Karma and transmigration of soul belief as in Pre-Aryan Bangla.(A Thousand Year Old Bengali Mystic Poetry" by Hasna Jasimuddin Moudud) Comes later probably through contact with Dravirs.
Burried their dead. Mixed Burns their dead.
Philosophy not known No Vedas in begining. Post Vedic litterature (written in Sanskrit), seem to show a Dravir substratum under the Sanskrit and were probably written by Dravirs and some were certainly so as in the case of Hastyaur Veda. Vedas most ancient and sacred. Post Vedic scriptures tend to go against the older Vedas... was this a revival of the old Indus religion or ideals? Certainly the old Aryan Gods are relegated in favour of Shiva-Vishnu
Called Meluhha by Sumerians Bengals were called Mlechchha or Melechchha while another non-Aryan group in Kashmir called Malecha. The Aryans considered the Mlechchha and Malecha both untouchable.
Females colouring lips Males colouring nails in Bengal
-- A unique cutting instrument which is placed on the ground with the blade faceing you. Used in Bengal. --
Style not known but wore bright clothes. Dhuti worn by men before contact with Aryans (In Bengal it changed to the Lungi under Burmese influence.)(A Thousand Year Old Bengali Mystic Poetry" by Hasna Jasimuddin Moudud) Today most were Dhuti
Cotton, Tea cultivated Cotton, silk cultivated in Bengal before Aryanization. Kerala was another ancient centre of cotton production and export. Bengal continued to be the centre of fabric production and produced the legendary Muslin. Their industry was harshly destroyed by the British (thumbs of the weavers were cut off). Tea in Bengal, Assam and Sri Lanka, which was colonised by Bengals. --
Rice cultivated before the Chinese. Chinese learned it from the Indus in 2000 BC.

Piggott in his "Prehistoric India., page 43 (Pelican Books, 1952),

Rice cultivation in Bengal and Tamils (1200 BC). Rice cultivation unknown in the Rig Veda

(Piggot, Pg 259)

No royal central control found

(harappa.com)

Mostly republican like Banga (Bengal) (A History of the Indian People by D. P. Singhal) Tribal Kings
Pottery Pottery Pottery
Complex graffity art Complex graffity art Some adopted
The Indus people used the bow and arrow, spear, dagger and axe and mace. (Is Indus Valley Civilization  Dravidian's  or Aryan's? by Dr. M. Deivanayagam and Dr. D. Devakala)

But the lack of weapons found shows that they probably were not warlike

Not much record of ancient South India.

Bengal is formidable; fights in many wars in ancient times. Some naval warfare also recorded. Greek historians suggest that there were powerful empires in Bengal with 4000 war elephants. The valiant Shantals (Bengal, Bihar) revolted against the British with bows and arrows as did the Naxalbari revolutionaries against the Indian government in the 1960s.

Vedic Aryans used the bow and arrow, spear, dagger, axe, helmet and coat of mail. (Is Indus Valley Civilization  Dravidian's  or Aryan's? by Dr. M. Deivanayagam and Dr. D. Devakala)

Warlike. History is full of wars and War Gods are worshipped.

Not Known Marshal Arts. Kerala gave us Kelaripayat which is the progenitor of Kung Fu. Bengal has a strange marshal art which involves just kicking. Later adopted by Buddhist and spread to China through Shaolin.
Indus Script Brahmi (does not seem conected to Indus script)

Scholars have identified parts of the Indus script that agrees with known Dravidian language.

Brahmi (does not seem conected to Indus script)

Unscholarly, religiously motivated work co-relates the Indus with Sanskrit, stretching imagination.

Tera cota fugurines Tera cota figurines in Bengal --
Silver is used more than gold. Copper and bronze used.(Is Indus Valley Civilization   Dravidian's  or Aryan's? by Dr. M. Deivanayagam and Dr. D. Devakala) The origin of Iron use comes from South India: Hyderabad (1500 BC), Trichonopoly (1400 BC), and in East India: Bengal (around 1500 BC) Known later to use Iron. In the Rig Ved, the Indo-Aryans use gold copper and bronze. Much later, in the Yajur Veda and Atharba Veda, iron and silver are used. (Is Indus Valley Civilization  Dravidian's  or Aryan's? by Dr. M. Deivanayagam and Dr. D. Devakala)
Wheels not spoked.

(Is Indus Valley Civilization  Dravidian's  or Aryan's? by Dr. M. Deivanayagam and Dr. D. Devakala)

-- Spoked wheels described in Vedas.

(Is Indus Valley Civilization  Dravidian's  or Aryan's? by Dr. M. Deivanayagam and Dr. D. Devakala)

Ate fish (common), molluscs, turtles and other aquatic animals. (Is Indus Valley Civilization   Dravidian's  or Aryan's? by Dr. M. Deivanayagam and Dr. D. Devakala) The South Indians today eat much less meat. Many are vegetarians. In many Dravir areas the consumption of aquatic animals is more prevalent than meat. A Bengali is defined as one who eats fish and rice. Fishing not mentioned in the Vedas. Vedic Aryans were meat eaters. Even today North Indians eat more meat than South Indians.
"I daresay Indus people were not Aryan and most probably Dravir."  NOVO

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