Paper 14: If the Earth Expanded, where did all the extra mass come from? By : Ramin Amir mardfar Paper 15 Discussion Keith Wilson: "If the Earth Expanded, where did all the extra mass come from"? ���������������� what do you think about Einstein's general theory of relativity? cilff_sd .................................... I am agree with Einstein, That : In high speeds, energy changes to mass, and mass of matter increases, and I believe that this is one of the reasons for increasing mass of the earth. We can observe this increase of mass as melted articles which comes out from volcanos and splits of oceans. Ramin ...................................... Have you really tried to understand what Einstein(the greatest physicist) told us by his brilliant theories? What you said seems far away from his theories. You probably want to attend a physics club to get correct physical concepts . only suggestions math_earth .................................. Einstein says: In high speeds, when we want to more increase the velocity of a matter by entering a force, a major amount of this force changes to mass. When the velocity of the matter is near to the velocity of the light, whole of the involved force, changes to mass. Ramin ................................. Getting exact sentence doesn't mean getting exact meaning. The high speed is for semi-light speed. Even though not the same as light speed, it's very close to the light speed. Please go back to see what you said for the magma example. It's ridiculous. Everyone know that oceanic lithosphere subducing into the mantle and during the subduction process some part of lithosphere melt and rise up to the surface as magma. Do you the rotation speed of earth can be counted as mass? math_earth ............................... Ramin's statement-- "this increase of mass as melted articles which comes out from volcanos and splits of oceans. " is totally false. My point was that in order to argue for a point about paleogravity we also need to keep an eye on the general theory of relativity. discussions are always welcome! silff_sd ................................. The speed of rotation of the earth can't increase mass of the earth, of course. My mean is the velocity which is so close to the velocity of light. That's the velocity of going out of sight of galaxies from eachother. Our galaxy goes out of sight with a velocity close to the velocity of light, as compared with very far galaxies (The theorem of extension of the world) and as the earth being in this galaxy, so it's moving with a velocity close to velocity of light together with galaxy, too. But about that theorem which you've been mentioned about coming out of magma, it wouldn't be able to state the energy resource which is required to such a movement, up to now. Ramin .................................. After so many "interesting" discussion. Here is a website which is really related to geophysics. "Geophysics is amazing and beautiful". Pkuyzh ................................ Expanding universe theory: Galaxies are going out of sight eachtime from eachother. The speed of going out of sight of galaxies from eachother is higher, they be as far from eachother. If two galaxies were too far from eachother, they are going out of sight from eachother with a velocity close to the velocity of light. Steady state theory: New galaxies are being created in remained blench spaces, by keeping out of the way from eachother and growing old. The energy which stars are radiating from themselves, are raw materials which new stars are creating from them. Continuous creation: Parallel to expanding universe, the creation of material is realized till, the average density be steady.In other to establishing such status, material is being created mitt a rate about 10(-43)kg/m3 per second. The theory of gravity increase of the earth: The earth, being a part of this universe, can increase it's mass getting energy from it's around. The conclusion of this increase, is magma, which comes out from Volcnos and split of oceans' bottom, and causes the motion of continents. Beside of increase mass, the gravity of earth increases too and this increase of gravity causes biological changes and getting species of plants and animals smaller or extinct big species. Ramin ......................................... BTW, ramin, I saw you post the paleo message to a lot of clubs. Did you get some answers? math_earthHi .