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liemsj: Xin chao tat ca nhe.
liemsj: Chuc an lanh.
tuong_nha2001: con chao moi nguoi
ngochiends: kinh chao cha va cac
ban!
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liemsj: xin cu tu nhien noi chuyen
voi nhau trong phong nay cho toi luc bat dau, tuc 6:30 gio Vietnam.
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em
tungsoft: chao ba'c Chien nua
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luulyf: Chao Xuan em cua anh!
tungsoft: ay ay, anh TungMa kia
tungsoft: Xuan na`o em cua anh ha?
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TungSoft day nhe'
liemsj: Chao tat ca: chao bac
Chien, Tung Matthias, ThanhXuan, Tungsoft, va Nha.
ngochiends: sau 2 tuan mung Chua
song lai, cac ban cam thay the nao? Co cam thay on Chua do xuong khong? binh an
hay mat binh an? vui hay buon?
luulyf: thi Dung roi, vi em cung
la em cua anh ma!
phamthanhxuan75: vay tu gio em co
them 1 nguoi anh va 1 nhuoi em nhe
phamthanhxuan75: mat binh an
luulyf: Cha! lau qua khong vao, co
ban ngochiends nao moi qua nhi?
tungsoft: ba'c Chien o ben My do'
anh TungMa oi
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patxuan: Con chao Thay cung cac
ban
liemsj: Chao Xuan.
patxuan: Thay oi, hom nay con moi
mot nguoi ban cung vao chia se voi chung ta
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liemsj: cu tu nhien, con. Ai vay
Xuan?
tungsoft: oh, co 2 nguoi cung ten
ay nhe'
liemsj: De tai noi trang
http://www.jptlsj.net/detai.htm cu nhay vao do de doc nhe.
tungsoft: deu la
"ThanhXuan" het
patxuan: Da anh Thom, Nhom Cuu SV
Da Nang, dang du tu Trieu
patxuan: Con moi anh nhe Thay
liemsj: Tot lam. Anh Thom vao
chua?
liemsj: cu moi vao, con.
patxuan: Da con vua moi
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batron79: chao thay va cac ban!
batron79: vat va qua
josephusthom: Xin kinh chao Thay
va tat ca cac ban
liemsj: Chao BPhuong, chao thay
Thom nhe.
batron79: vao duoc room xong muon
het hoi luon
josephusthom: Em la mot nguoi moi
patxuan: Chao mung Thanh Xuan thu
hai nhe
patxuan: Cam on anh Tung soft
josephusthom: truoc tien xin duoc
tu gioi thieu:
josephusthom: Minh ten day du la
Giuse Truong Van Thom
josephusthom: o mai tan Da Nang
luon do
patxuan: Thay va cac ban con xin
gioi thieu nguoi ban cua con la anh Thom voi nick josephusthom
josephusthom: cam on Xuan
patxuan: Khong co gi anh Thom
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liemsj: Chao tat ca. Cam on tat
ca. Chao ThuNguyet o QuyNhon.
josephusthom: Con xin Chao Thay
Liem
josephusthom: Nghe tieng Thay da
lau nhung nay moi duoc co dip tro chuyen
josephusthom: mot lan nua cam on
Xuan da tao cho anh dieu kien nay
liemsj: Bay gio chung ta bat dau
nhe. Thay se caunguyen khoi dau, sau do la muc gioi thieu: moi nguoi se gioi
thieu ten ho, hien dang o dau, lam gi........, va sau do chung ta chia se theo
chu de o trang http://www.jptlsj.net/detai.htm nhe. Chung ta se ket thuc luc
8:00 toi, gio Vietnam.
liemsj: Lay Chua, chung con tin
Chua dang hien dien voi chung con.
liemsj: Chua dang o giua chung
con, va o tan trong tam hon moi nguoi chung con.
liemsj: Chung con xin Thien Chua
la Cha ban ThanhThan duc Yesu Phuc Sinh cho chung con,
liemsj: de Ngai huong dan chung
con trong gio chia se nay,
liemsj: de chung con hieu hon ve
Thien Chua Tinh Yeu, de chung con duoc hanh phuc hon,
liemsj: va thanh chung nhan cho
Ngai trong cuoc song chung con.
liemsj: Chung con cau xin, nho Duc
Yesu Kito, Chua chung con. Amen.
liemsj: Bay gio, xin moi cac ban
gioi thieu ve chinh minh nhe. Xin gioi thieu ho ten, hien dang o dau, va nhung
gi... ban muon. Gioi thieu cho minh dang o, se giup chung ta hieu va gan nhau
hon.
liemsj: Dau het roi? Xin moi.
josephusthom: Vang con xin bat dau
truoc vay
patxuan: Pham Anh Thanh Xuan, lam
viec va o tro tai Go Vap, Hcm
tungsoft: TranThanhTung, goi la
... Tung.Soft, 1979, di lam, o HCM city
josephusthom: Giuse Truong Van
Thom, Da Nang
josephusthom: Nha Tho Ngoc Quang
josephusthom: 1977
batron79: Bich Phuong, o Nha Trang
patxuan: Anh Thom, dang giup xu
Ngoc Quang Thay va cac ban a
thunguyet1501: Thu Nguyet sinh
vien nam cuoi o QuyNhon
liemsj: Thay Thom hien dang o
DaNang hay dang o saigon vay?
josephusthom: Da, con dang o Da
nang
patxuan: Cho hoi Phamthanhxuan75
la Xuan Luu Ly co phai khong a?
tungsoft: ko phai dau! Chi
ThanhXuan oi, gioi thieu ki`a
tungsoft: :)
phamthanhxuan75: Pham Thanh Xuan
ngochiends: Daminh Chien o
Louisiana Hoa Ky
josephusthom: http://tsnt.2ya.com
phamthanhxuan75: DONG CHUA CUU THE
SAI GON
josephusthom: day la dia chi web
cua nhom Da nang dang co gang xay dung,
josephusthom: cung xin duoc gioi
thieu
phamthanhxuan75: sinh nam 1975
josephusthom: de moi nguoi cung
tham khao va gop y kien
liemsj: Xin tat ca gioi thieu
nhe.... de chung ta biet nhau, va chi gioi thieu luc nay thoi, sau do xin tap
trung vao de tai chia se.
phamthanhxuan75: Tho may
liemsj: Xin loi nhe,
phamthanhxuan75 la nam hay nu vay?
phamthanhxuan75: da, nu
liemsj: tot lam. Cam on Xuan, thay
hoi vi thay thay DONG CHUA CUU THE SAIGON, thay tuong em la tu si dong Chua Cuu
The.
liemsj: Xin loi em, Xuan.
phamthanhxuan75: hiiii
liemsj: Thay chua thay Tung, Nha
len tieng.
liemsj: Dien nua.
tungsoft: TungMa out ru`i Thay oi
patxuan: xin hoi ai dang dung nick
luulyf
liemsj: Bay gio chung ta chia se
nhe. Cac ban doc duoc de tai chia se hom nay chua?
tuong_nha2001: ten : nguyen tuong
nha
tuong_nha2001: sv nam 2
tuong_nha2001: hoc tai tphcm
liemsj: Tung Matthias do, Xuan.
josephusthom: em moi vua doc xong,
hy vong se theo kip de tai Thay chon
liemsj: Tung cho cau hoi len giup
thay, duoc khong?
patxuan: Con thay de tai hom nay
kho qua Thay oi
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liemsj: Cau hoi chinh hom nay cua
chung ta: THIEN CHUA LA AI?
tungsoft: 1. Theo ban hieu,
ThienChua la ai doi voi nguoi DoThai giao? doi voi nguoi Hoi giao? doi voi
nguoi AnDo giao? doi voi nguoi Phat giao? doi voi nguoi theo dao CaoDaiHoaHao?
doi voi nguoi Kito giao? 2. ThienChua cua cac ton giao neu tren, la mot thuc
tai hay la nhung thuc tai khac nhau? Dau la ly do ban cho do la mot thuc tai,
hoac la nhung thuc tai khac nhau?
patxuan: Khong biet cac ban thay
the nao?
ashraf4756443: ?? ???
josephusthom: Em nghi truoc het,
phai di vao suy nghi Thien Chua la gi, la ai, la thuc tai nao, trong cuoc song
thuong ngay ?
josephusthom: tu cai gi do thiet
than nhat cua tung cuoc doi,
liemsj: Va de hieu hon TC la ai,
chung ta nhin thu xem TC la ai doi voi nguoi dothai giao, doi voi nguoi
Hoigiao, doi voi nguoi theo Ando giao, doi voi nguoi Phatgiao (caunay thi khong
chac lam), doivoi nguoi theo dao CaoDai, va sau cung chung ta se noi ky hon ve
chung ta.... kitogiao.
josephusthom: roi sau do se di vao
nhung cai nhin cua tung ton giao voi mot mo triet ly doi hoi khong it nhieu
hieu biet
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liemsj: cau hoi TC la ai doi voi
nhung nguoi theo ton giao khac, khong phai la muc dich chinh cua chung ta,
nhung la cai gi giup chung ta.... hieu hon ve TC la ai theo quan diem cua chung
ta thoi.
letter022002 joined the room
liemsj: Thoi bay gio chung ta moi
nguoi hay don so tra loi: THIEN CHUA LA AI, doi voi ban?
patxuan: Con hieu y Thay nhung
chua biet phai chia se voi moi nguoi the nao.
liemsj: Chao AnhThu. Con chia se
nhe.
liemsj: Thien Chua la ai? theo ban
hieu.
trinh1010 joined the room
liemsj: Chung ta phai tra loi duoc
chu... vi chung ta tin Thien Chua lau roi ma.
phamthanhxuan75 left the room
trinh1010: Con chao Thay va cac
ban
liemsj: Neu co ai hoi chung ta: Tc
la ai, chung ta tra loi sao?
josephusthom: That su, dung la cau
hoi dung cham toi van de rat tinh te va thiet than doi voi tung nguoi, rieng
phan em, thi
patxuan: Thien Chua la Cha chung
ta, Ngai yeu thuong moi nguoi.
liemsj: Chao Trinh nhe. cac ban
bat dau chia se, moi Trinh nhe.
liemsj: Tiep tuc nua di Xuan.
josephusthom: co tom lai nhu the
nay roi em se chia se rong hon, la mot nguoi ban day cam thong va tuyet doi
trung tin voi toi
patxuan: Chao Trinh, Chac xin
trinh gioi thieu luon
trinh1010: Trinh o Dong Nai
patxuan: Chua yeu thuong chung ta
bang Tinh Yeu vo vi loi
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josephusthom: Tat nhien trong cuoc
song, nhieu khi van cam thay Thien la mot cai gi do xa roi, kho gan, cam nin
truoc nhung khac khoai nhan sinh cua con nguoi.
patxuan: Co doi luc Xuan van nghi
Chua khong can den dap va yeu thuong ta cho du ta the nao
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letter022002: voi con doi luc con
thay Chua nhu mot nguoi cha , nhung cung co luc con thay Ngai nhu mot nguoi ban
cua con
josephusthom: Xong cho du luc do
minh co trach cu va lam bam voi Ngai chang nua thi sau do khi minh can den
Ngai, thi Ngai van vui ve chao don ta.
liemsj: Thay nhac lai cau hoi cho
nhung ban moi vao: Thien Chua la ai, theo ban?
patxuan: nhung xet nghiem lai con
thay Chua luon moi goi chung ta yeu thuong Ngai va song trong tinh yeu Ngai
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liemsj: Moi cac ban khac len tieng
nhe. Moi nguoi hay cho cau tra loi cua minh len, no se phong phu hon.
micheal_myers_24 joined the room
liemsj: Nho la khi bat dau chia
se, xin dung "chat" rieng voi nhau nhe.
josephusthom: Vaâng
tungsoft: ThienChua la tinh yeu!
Tung nghi do' la mot "dinh nghia" ngan gon nhat ve ThienChua va ca
cho gia'o ly' ve ThienChua
mehrbodsedigh joined the room
tuong_nha2001: theo con hieu thi
TC la cha va ngai chinh la khoi dau va la muc dich cua cuoc song chung ta
josephusthom: anh Tuøng a, thaät
söï em thaáy noùi vaäy thì caûm giaùc nhö theå thuoäc baøi,
liemsj: Xin Tung giai thich ro
hon..... Dung la cau nay chung ta van noi... nhung tai sao lai la TinhYeu....?
josephusthom: chöù em thaáy nhieàu
khi trong cuoäc soáng,
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liemsj: dung danh dau, thay Thom,
vi cac ban khac doc khong duoc dau.
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josephusthom: traûi qua nhöõng vui
buoàn, nhöõng giaây phuùt ñau ñôùn, thi thaät khoù taû
josephusthom: luùc ñoù seõ phaûi
noùi Thieân Chuùa laø ai,
josephusthom: nhöng coù moät ñieàu
laïi,
josephusthom: sau khi côn gioâng
toá qua roài thì trôøi iaïi quang ñaõng
liemsj: VIET TIENG VIET, dung danh
dau, THAY THOM OI, VI NGUOI KHAC DOC KHONG DUOC DAU.
josephusthom: luùc aáy mình môùi
thaáy Thieân Chuùa laø tình yeâu.
josephusthom: Vang
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josephusthom: con se khong dung
dau nua
letter022002: nhung luc cau nguyen
, hay dung hon la cau xin dieu gi do con cam nhan con dang cau xin voi mot
nguoi Cha , nhung khi con tam su voi Ngai tat ca nhung chuyen cua con con lai
thay Ngai nhu mot nguoi ban
liemsj: Tot lam. Cac ban khac len
tieng nhe. Tung thu giai thich cau hoi cua thay xem.
patxuan: Anh Thom da doc chua,
Thay nhac dung danh dau tieng viet nhe.
josephusthom: ok, anh khong go co
dau nua
Torry: it's a beautiful day here
in san francisco
josephusthom: Torry, who are you ?
liemsj: BPhuong dau? Tung? bac
Chien, Thunguyet, Trinh, .... xin len tieng di.
tungsoft: vi ThienChua tu dau (tao
dung con nguoi) giong hinh anh cua ThienChua la co TinhYeu o trong do'
tungsoft: va ThienChua da thuc
hien chuong tri`nh cu'u do con nguoi ke tu do'
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tungsoft: va con nguoi chung ta
cam nhan xau sa'c nhat la khi Duc Yesu nhap the cuu do lam nguoi de cuu chuoc
chung ta
liemsj: Dung them tra loi nguoi
noi tieng khac trong phong nay... ho lam loang bau khi cua chung ta ra.
liemsj: Chao thay Duy.
patxuan: Con dong y voi an hTung,
vi Thien Chua yeu thuong ta moi tao dung ta.
liemsj: Nhu vay, chung ta co hai
chung sinh hien dang trong "phong" nay, mot tu Danang, mot tu
Nhatrang.
jbngocduy: da,con vao dc roi
thunguyet1501: o dau vay?
Torry: arrividerci
josephusthom: dieu do thi chac
chan roi, nhung em nghi hay chia cai cu the cua tinh yeu do trong cuoc song cua
minh
liemsj: ThienChua la ai, theo ban?
jbngocduy: dang o tra vinh
thunguyet1501: xin loi danh nham
torrykaffer785 left the room
patxuan: Con da tung nghe giang
day rang Thien Chua biet con nguoi se phan boi lai Ngai, va Ngai da lap san
chuong trinh cuu do con nguoi. Khong co TY TC da khong lam nhu vay.
jbngocduy: thua la dung chung ta
luon tin yeu
ngochiends: Doi voi cac ton giao
khac, ho nhin Thien Chua duoi moi lang kinh khac nhau. Nhung voi Kito Giao thi
Thien Chua la Dang Tao Dung muon loai, vo hinh, va day long xot thuong. Ngai
tao dung chung ta giong hinh anh Ngai.
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mtduybinh: chao thay va cac anh
chi
jbngocduy: con vao chua hieu nhieu
thay va cac ban thong cam nha
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annaanh79 joined the room
liemsj: Thien Chua la ai? Thien
Chua cua chung ta, cua nhung nguoi kito huu, voi Dang Allah cua nguoi Hoi giao,
voi Dang Tuyet Doi cua Ando giao, voi Yave cua Dothai giao, co GIONG NHAU
KHONG, CO LA MOT KHONG, HAY LA NHUNG THUC TAI KHAC NHAU?
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jbngocduy: thay! tai sao thay goi
con la thay
liemsj: thay xin loi, duong nhu
thay gioi thieu lam pbngocduy la chungsinh, duong nhu thay lam voi mot Duy
khac, ngocduy nay khong phai la chungsinh, tru phi trong tuong lai.
annaanh79: theo con la khac nhau
jbngocduy: da con la duy clcnl
liemsj: Noi ro hon di Tram Anh.
liemsj: Thay nhan ra Duy roi, nen
moi dinh chinh do. cam on Duy nhe. tiep tuc di con.
jbngocduy: thay va cac ban con xin
loi minh danh chia se ve de tai gi vay
liemsj: Cau hoi tren cua thay se
giup cac em hieu TC la ai hon do, khi thay hoi Thien Chua cua nguoi kito co la
MOT voi cac Dang tuyet doi cua cac ton giao khac khong?
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liemsj: can dong nao va tra loi
nhe, co nhu vay cuoc chia se moi sinh dong duoc.
jbngocduy: theo con thien chua la
dang tuyet doi
liemsj: Theo ban, TC cua ban- nhu
la cua kito huu- la mot voi Dang Allah cau nguoi hoigiao, voi Tuyetdoi noi
Caodai giao, voi Tuyetdoi noi Ando giao, voi Yave noi dothai giao khong?
annaanh79: Con xin loi, y con ko
phai la khac nhung do cung co the la cach goi khac cua nhung ton giao khac, ho
ton tho dang Ala, giave...coi do la dang tuyet doi ...co the cach goi khac ve
mot Thien Chua duy nhat
jbngocduy: vi con tin vao dieu do
patxuan: Xin chep lai cac cau hoi,
vi anh Duy dang thac mac. Theo ban hieu, ThienChua la ai doi voi nguoi DoThai
giao? doi voi nguoi Hoi giao? doi voi nguoi AnDo giao? doi voi nguoi Phat giao?
doi voi nguoi theo dao CaoDaiHoaHao? doi voi nguoi Kito giao? 2. ThienChua cua
cac ton giao neu tren, la mot thuc tai hay la nhung thuc tai khac nhau? Dau la
ly do ban cho do la mot thuc tai, hoac la nhung thuc tai khac nhau?
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ngochiends: Kinh thua, TC cua cac
ton giao khac va cua Kito giao la mot, nhung moi ton giao hieu TC mot khia canh
khac nhau, cha nghi sao?
kiemtim joined the room
liemsj: Cac ban dong y voi y kien
cua TramAnh va cua bac Chien khong?
josephusthom: Em cung nghi nhu
ngocchiends, khi bao TC cua cac ton giao khac van la mot,
josephusthom: nhung
binhngockhoalinh2000 left the room
josephusthom: co le cai nhin kia
la
liemsj: Tat ca co nghi nhu vay
khong nhi? Tai sao ban noi nhu vay, tai sao ban noi Ngai la MOT thuc tai, va
duoc goi bang nhung ten khac nhau?
jbngocduy: dong y voi tram anh
josephusthom: nhung lop ben ngoai,
nhung
josephusthom: cai gi do moi la cai
bong, chu chua phai la Thien Chua dich thuc
batron79: the thi tai sao lai co
nhung quan diem khac nhau mot cach ro ret giua cac ton giao
patxuan: Con cung dong y, voi cac
y kien tren. Nhung vi ho khong nhin nhan Chua nhu chung ta nen nhung quan diem
cua cac dao doi luc khac nhau chut
batron79: phai chang TC chi mac
khai cho Kito giao
batron79: con cac ton giao khac
thi ko?
josephusthom: va di nhien bong la
bong cua mot cai hinh, nhung hoan toan khong phai la cai hinh do
josephusthom: do la van de dau dau
do ban batron79,
josephusthom: nen moi co thong
diep
liemsj: Sao biet Tc khong mac khai
cho cac tongiao khac?
josephusthom: Dominus Jesus
jbngocduy: nhung chung ta phai
hieu la thien chua la doc nhat
liemsj: Ai NAM duoc thuc, de roi
noi CAI KHAC la BONG?
josephusthom: com co cam tuong la
co cai gi co chu khong phai la hoan toan khong
patxuan: Xuan khong nghi nhu vay
Phoung a, vi Chua da mac khai chung cho moi nguoi, chi co dieu nhung ai da tin
thi nhan phep rua va tro thanh Kito giao.
batron79: neu cung la mot Dang sao
lai co su mac khai khac nhau nhu vay?
batron79: hay chi co Kito giao moi
hieu dung thoi
josephusthom: Neu hoan toan khong
thi that bat hanh cho nhan loai,
jbngocduy: vi khong phai nguoi
cong giao moi nhan duoc on cuu do
batron79: hay chi vi Kito giao moi
co Jesus nhap the?
josephusthom: Dang do van duy
nhat,
jbngocduy: dung vay
josephusthom: nhung voi nhung mac
khai khac nhau thi sinh ra nhung nhan hieu khac nhau va the la co nhung thien
chua (viet thuong) khac nhau
patxuan: Em dong y voi anh Duy.
letter022002: em thi nghi Chua van
mac khai cho tat ca moi nguoi nhu nhau , nhung tat nhien van co nguoi ho hieu
khac chung ta . Nhu ngay xua cung vay , nhung nguoi dang tho Chua ho lai di tho
bo vang do chi Phuong
batron79: the dua vao dau cac ban
cho la Kito giao moi hieu dung?
liemsj: Nhu vay, la cac ban dang
hieu hon, THIEN CHUA LA AI roi do.
ngochiends: Thien Chua den nha cua
minh, nhung nguoi trong nha khong chap nhan Ngai(Gioan)
batron79: con cac ton giao khac
thi ko?
liemsj: Co ai biet dao CaoDai o
Tay Ninh khong? Ho tho ai vay?
batron79: ko nen dung o goc do cua
ton giao minh de noi cac ton giao khac
kiemtim: ho tho phat
batron79: ho tho tat ca
josephusthom: Hinh nhu vat tho cua
ho la con mat
jbngocduy: khong phai ho tho nhieu
vi thanh lam
trinh1010: tho 1 con mat
batron79: ke ca Jesus
jbngocduy: ok
josephusthom: pha mau sac chinh
tri hon la ton giao,
batron79: phat
liemsj: Con mat, noi dao CaoDai,
la bieu tuong cua GI vay? Thuc Tai nao vay?
josephusthom: ho tho rat nhieu
josephusthom: tu than thanh, den
cac vi nha
josephusthom: vi Tam Giao Dai Dong
ma
josephusthom: vi nhan, go thieu
annaanh79: theo con, ton giao bi
anh huong va bi chi phoi boi lich su, boi giai cap boi con nguoi..va tu do lam
moi nguoi co cch nhin khac nhau. Nhung kii to giao co CGS, Ngai la mot minh
chung song va cu the de moi nguoi hieu dung ve Thien Chua hon,
josephusthom: xin loi, Tam Ky PHo
Do
liemsj: Yave, noi Dothai giao, co
la MOT voi ThienChua cua kito huu khong vay?
josephusthom: chu khong phai la
Tam Giao Dai Dong
mtduybinh: la mot con mat cua chan
ly
batron79: the con Phat to nhu lai
thi sao TA?
kiemtim: con mat la bieu tuong cua
than linh
kiemtim: than linh biet moi viec
tot xau'
batron79: co mot ton giao ho cung
tin vao Jesus
liemsj: cam on kiemtim, nhung
thanlinh duoc bieu trung bang con mat, co la TuyetDoi khong, Dang Tuyet Nhat?
batron79: ho cung song theo luat
yeu thuong
josephusthom: "Coc ngoi day
gieng" ma
josephusthom: nhin ben phai thi
khong thay duoc ben trai roi thi con noi gi khac nua
batron79: nhu Jesus doi voi ho
cung giong nhu Phat to nhu lai
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tuong_nha2001: con ko hieu chu
Yave vi neu nguoi do thai tho Yave ma co luc con cung thay chung ta goi TC la
Yave
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letter022002: em khong dam noi voi
nhung nguoi khac rang nguoi Kyto giao hieu dung ve Thien Chua vi ho cung nghi
rang ho hieu dung ve Dang tuyet doi ma ho dang tho ( vi vay ho moi tho chu )
nhung nguoi Kyto giao cam thay minh hieu dung ve Thien Chua va da tin vao Ngai
phai khong chi Phuong
ngochiends: Do Thai Giao va Hoi
giao khong tin Duc Yesu la Dang Cu u The.
batron79: ok Anh Thu!
liemsj: Cam on TuongNha, nhu vay
theo con, Ngai la mot. Yave noi Dothai giao va Thien Chua cua kito giao la mot.
nhienvt2001 joined the room
liemsj: Y cua thay Thom nhu the
nao, khi cac ban noi nhu tren, dac biet cua AnhThu va Bphuong? (letter022002,
va batron79)?
liemsj: Chao Nhien nhe. Moi con
chia se.
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tuong_nha2001: tai ssao chung ta
cung goi TC la dang Yave
josephusthom: theo con
josephusthom: can phai co su khang
dinh
nhienvt2001: chao thay va cac anh
chi
josephusthom: chu khong the chi la
"co the" hay "cam thay"
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batron79: Minh nghi rang dieu quan
trong nhat van la viec minh hieu nhu the nao ve ton giao cua minh va dieu minh
hieu da mang lai duoc gi cho minh va cho nhung nguoi xung quanh
liemsj: thi cu khang dinh..... voi
nguoi thay ro... , con voi nguoi... khong thay ro..thi cothe, camthay....
josephusthom: phai hieu cai nhin
cua nguoi Kito giao phai la nhung cai gi xuat phat tu niem tin tong truyen va
bat kha ngo
annaanh79: Phat to nhu lai ko coi
la dang tuyet doi va duy nhat, ho chi la con nguoi tu luyen thanh ma thoi
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josephusthom: con trong cuoc song
khi doi dien voi tung con nguoi Kito huu cu the thi la chuyen khac roi
josephusthom: co khi rat xa, tham
chi khong con la mot "Kito khac", nhung la phan Kito nua,
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jbngocduy: da duoc roi
liemsj: Thay Thom dang duoc moi
goi de lam tong do day, phai nhin thay nguoi ta suy nghi nhu the nao, de giup
nguoi ta, de thuyet phuc nguoi ta. Day la dip rat tot de thay Thom lam doi voi
cac ban dang chia se o day day.
josephusthom: Dung roi, voi tung
ca nhan,
jbngocduy: cam on thay
josephusthom: vi co ban lam gi thi
lam, van la "giua toi voi Ngai", chu khong ai khac
letter022002: em cung dong y voi
chi Tram Anh , vi o moi hoan canh nhat la trong luc kho khan nguoi ta rat de
tin vao dieu gi khien nguoi ta cam thay duoc an ui , duoc che cho nen nguoi ta
tin tuong , ton tho va trong mong
jbngocduy: dung vay do anh thu
josephusthom: nhung cai toi do la
trong mot "tap the", mot cong doan, mot Giao Hoi
batron79: neu niem tin kito giao
la "bat kha ngo" , vay lieu co nen tang vung vang cho niem tin ay ko
?
josephusthom: voi nhung dac tinh
day du cua no
liemsj: Moi cac ban tiep tuc chia
se nhe.
jbngocduy: khong phai vay dau
josr....
josephusthom: tat nhien, ban hoc
nen tang vung vang, nhung nhu the nao la nen tang vung vang ?
josephusthom: se lay tieu chuan
nao de danh gia day
liemsj: Cau hoi van la THIEN CHUA
LA AI?
liemsj: TC la ai doi voi ban? Tc
la ai doi voi kito huu?
jbngocduy: do la dieu chung ta
dang can
batron79: de ko con de bi lung lay
batron79: de ko bi mu quan khi tin
liemsj: Chung ta co gang tra loi
cau hoi do, cho chinh moi nguoi, va giup de chung ta co the truyen dat hoac
giai thich cho nguoi khong cung niem tin voi chung ta....
letter022002: em cung nghi nhu chi
Phuong
batron79: neu ko nghi ngo thi dau
co su hoc hoi tim toi
josephusthom: nhung tin van la mot
su chap nhan, mot su lieu minh nham mat nhay xuong bien nhu Phero, nhu Abraham
len duong, phai khong cac ban ?
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batron79: va nhu vay thi moi nguoi
noi ton giao la Mi dan, la me tin cung dau co sai
batron79: vang nhu chi khi ho da
co duoc dieu gi do
jbngocduy: sao ban lai noi vay
josephusthom: van luon co mot cap
do nao do thoi, chu Thien Chua ma chung ta co the tri biet duoc tat tan tat thi
dau con la Thien Chua nua.
batron79: nghia la duoc gap go TC
patxuan: Xuan thay ai cung co ly,
cang doc, Xuan cang khong phan dinh duoc van de
jbngocduy: minh xin ke cho ban mot
cau chuyen
batron79: duoc biet TC nhu the nao
roi
kiemtim: thien chua la ong troi
cua nguoi phuong dong la thanh ana cua nguoi hoi giao con cac than linh khac
thi ta cu hieu ho la nhung tien tri duoc chua sai den voi con nguoivi du nhu
phat
liemsj: De co the noi ve Thien
Chua cho nguoi khac, va ke ca nhung nguoi song trong ton giao khac, chung ta
cung phai biet ho ton tho ai?
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batron79: dung la ko the biet het
duoc TC vi ta van la con nguoi
liemsj: Ai tao dung nen ho?
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jbngocduy: la o benh vien thu duc nguoi
ta cho dap pha buc tuong
liemsj: TC co la Dang tao dung nen
ho khong? Hay la Dang khac tao dung nen ho?
josephusthom: Nhat tri voi Thay
jbngocduy: thi ngoi dap ve deu bi
dau am nang do la su that
batron79: nhung nhu the dau co
nghia la ko duoc "nghi ngo"
patxuan: Con hieu Thay.
mtduybinh left the room
patxuan: Xin Thay tiep tuc noi de
chung con hieu them
josephusthom: dung roi
josephusthom: con nguoi ta can co
mot chut phan khang
jbngocduy: vay minh xin noi ve
chua kito
liemsj: Neu cung mot ThienChua tao
dung nen ta, va cung Ngai tao dung nen ho, thi Ngai la Cha cua tat ca, la Thien
Chua cua tat ca, cho du nguoi ta nhan biet hay khong nhan biet, da nhan biet
hay chua nhan biet.
tungsoft: Theo Tung thi ThienChua
cua cac ton giao kha'c voi ThienChua cua Kito giao ko la mot. Cac ton giao khac
xuat phat tu mot hoan canh dac biet nao do', va "con nguoi", do
ThienChua cua Kito giao tao ra, nghi ra mot thuyet cho rieng ho, co the vi ho
ko chua duoc biet ve ThienChua cua Kito giao. Va sau do ho truyen giao cho
nhieu nguoi.
jbngocduy: thien chua dau tien
nghi toi con nguoi
josephusthom: phan khang chan
chinh de roi cuoi cung cua phan khang ay se la cuoi dau nhin nhan Thien Chua,
khong phai la mot toi-to, mot than-vua, hoang de-than dan,,,
jbngocduy: sau do moi tao hinh dat
set
josephusthom: nhung do la mot
Thien Chua yeu thuong va hang gan ben ta luon, cho du ta the nao chang nua
patxuan: Anh Tung viet vay, em
chang hieu y anh Tung.
jbngocduy: va thoi hoi thanh con
nguoi phai kg
liemsj: Neu ho goi THUC TAI ma chung
ta goi la THIENCHUA bang nhung ten khac, thi chung ta cung phai nhan, va PHAI
HANHPHUC MA NHAN RANG, Thien Chua cua chung ta, cung la Dang Tuyet Doi cua ho.
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josephusthom: Ong Troi (tieng
viet), God (tieng anh), Dieu (tieng phap)... deu la THUC TAI DANG SIEU VIET
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liemsj: TC la Dang Luon Yeu
Thuong, Ngai yeu thuong moi nguoi, vi moi nguoi- du song trong ton giao nao
chang nua, va ngay ca phu nhan TC hien huu- deu la con Ngai, deu duoc Ngai tao
dung. Va neu tat ca deu la con Ngai, thi tat ca chung ta deu la anh em voi
nhau, du nguoi ta chap nhan hay khong.
liemsj: Cung tuong tu, mot nguoi
con tu bo cha hay me sinh ra minh, thi khong phai vi nguoi do tu bo, ma nguoi
do khong con la con cua nguoi cha nguoi me do nua, hoac khong phai vi the ma
nguoi do khong la anh em cua nhung nguoi cung duoc nguoi cha nguoi me do sinh
ra.
liemsj: tat ca deu la con cua
Thien Chua la Cha tren troi, va chung ta la anh em voi nhau.
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patxuan: Con rat dong y voi Thay.
jbngocduy: con dong y
kiemtim: vang
annaanh79: vang
jbngocduy: vi khi con noi chuyen
la nguoi cong giaop con deu noi la cong mot cha
patxuan: Va Xuan thay y kien ban
dau cua moi nguoi rat giong nhau nhung sau do lai thay la dang tranh luan, lam
Xuan khong hieu gi ca.
letter022002: vang , nhung Thay oi
chung ta thi nghi nhu vay nhung nhung nguoi khong cong giao ho khong nghi nhu
vay thi sao a
liemsj: Neu cac ton giao khac,
thay khong biet Phat giao thi the nao, va chung ta (kitogiao) deu ton tho Thien
Chua... la Cha, thi DIEM KHAC NHAU nam o dau?
liemsj: Xin cac ban tra loi di.
Diem khac nhau nam o dau?
letter022002: em nghi phai dua ra
van de de ban luan thi moi co the hieu duoc van de ay chi Xuan a
batron79: nhung thay oi, lieu co
the co mot ton giao nao do ma ho dang tu ve cho minh ve mot hinh anh cua Dang
tuyet doi ko?
tungsoft: cho Tung hoi chung:
"ThienChua co muon to^`n tai cac to^n gia'o kha'c ko "
letter022002: tat nhien la khong
roi anh Tung a
jbngocduy: diem khac nhau la tin
yeu
josephusthom: dung roi, can ban
van la "tuong quan yeu thuong"
batron79: dau phai cac ton giao
khac ko co tinh yeu?
liemsj: kito giao co hon gi cac
ton giao khac khong? neu ban nghi la hon, thi HON o diem nao? tai sao hon? tai
sao khong hon? Vi day la hoc hoi, chia se, thao luan ma, nen moi nguoi hay phat
bieu y kien, va hy vong sau do moi nguoi co mot cau tra loi dung HON. Xin moi.
jbngocduy: khong phai la ton tai
ma la hien thuc
jbngocduy: tin yeu chu khong phai
tinh yeu
batron79: cac ton giao khac van de
cao tinh yeu thuong
batron79: ca 2
jbngocduy: dong y
liemsj: nghia la sao? xin ngocduy
va josephusthom giai thich ro hon di... de cac ban khac duoc nho...
kiemtim: dieu thien chua muon la
con nguoi yeu thuong nhau, di tim hanh phuc cho nhaucon cac ton giao khac nhau
thi chang la van de gi ca
patxuan: Xuan thi nghi TC muon
chung ta hop nhat voi nhau, nhung van de la Ngai rat ton trong tu do cua moi
nguoi, Ngai ban cho tat ca duoc tu do.
batron79: Phat giao luon de cao
long tu bi
liemsj: cac ban nghi sao ve cau
hoi cua BichPhuong: dau phai cac ton giao khac khong co tinh thuong?
batron79: dau phai the kiemtim
jbngocduy: theo con thien chua la
vua tinh yeu va la niem tin vung chac cho chung ta
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batron79: ton giao khac van nghi
nhu the doi voi Dang ho ton tho jbngocduy
tuong_nha2001: moi ton giao deu
day phai yeu thuong
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liemsj: thay hoi lai, vay thi diem
khac nhau nam o cho nao?
josephusthom: dung roi, nhung kho
noi yeu thuong se la nhu the nao neu nhu buoc nguoi ta nhu minh (phai theo
Hoi), yeu thuong the nao neu nhu chi la "tinh yeu ban phat" (Dang
Giave cua Dothai, doi voi ho thi vi Gia Ve la cho tua cua ho nen ho ton tho va "yeu"
Giave)
batron79: minh cung y kien voi
tuong_nha2001
annaanh79: con nghi rang neu ko co
CGS xuat hien thi kito giao cua minh cung giong nhu cac ton giao khac thoi,
nhin TC o lang kinh nguoi day quyen luc va cung rat so bi Nguoi trung phat. Khi
CGS xuat hien ta thay hinh anh TC nhan tu va day tinh yeu hon, do cung co the
la diem hon, diem khac voi cac ton giao khac
josephusthom: tinh yeu dau phai la
mot su chiem doat
tuong_nha2001: voi chung ta TC
chinh la muc dich cua cuoc song va chung ta biet chung ta dang song va dang co
gang tien toi dau
patxuan: Xuan nghi cac ton giao
khac cung co tinh thuong do chu, cac ton giao deu day con gnuoi tro nen tot
hon.
batron79: minh dong y voi TA
tuong_nha2001: nhung ton giao khac
thi ko biet ro much dich song nhu chung ta
josephusthom: khong dau xuan a,
nhieu khi nguoi ta cung loi dung bieu ngu do lam
batron79: vi minh chua hieu het
cac ton giao khac nen moi nghi the thoi josephusthom
patxuan: Xuan dang nhin ro van de
hon tu y kien cua anh Thom
liemsj: Co y kien cua TramAnh va
BichPhuong cho rang su khac biet nam o "Duc Yesu Xuat Hien" noi kito
giao? cac ban khac nghi the nao?
josephusthom: khong dam dau, chung
ta dang tu do thao luan ma, ok ?
letter022002: nhung neu khong co
CGS thi cung khong co ton giao khac dung khong chi Tram ANH
batron79: nguoi ta loi dung bieu
ngu do dau co nghia la ton giao cua ho day the?
terdinhhai: chao cac ban nhe
josephusthom: nhung tai sao CGS
lai xuat hien noi Kito giao ma khong phai la ton giao khac ?
batron79: va cung lam co nguoi loi
dung kito giao vay
batron79: Chua Yesu xuat hien cho
nhan loai
liemsj: thay khong hieu cau hoi
cua con cho TA, Anh Thu?
terdinhhai: cac ban nghi gi ve dao
cong giao ?
liemsj: Chao HongHai, con co the
chia se voi cac ban.
terdinhhai: troi oi chuyen do ai
cung biet rui
josephusthom: tai sao lai co ca
mot chuong trinh chuan bi cong phai; "chuong trinh cuu do" cua Thien
Chua nua ?
terdinhhai: con chao thay !
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jbngocduy: con con dao khac cac
ban nghji co vay khong
terdinhhai: cac ban tin nguoi theo
dao hay tin nguoi song dao vay ?
josephusthom: cong phu, chu khong
phai la "cong phai"
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Sayyida: hi :)
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josephusthom: co la ban terdinhhai
can hoi tin nguoi theo dao hay tin dao, ok ?
letter022002: theo em thi chung ta
tin rang tat ca moi nguoi deu la con mot Cha nhung nhung nguoi theo Ton giao
khac ho khong tin nhu vay
jbngocduy: dung vay
batron79: va do la dieu ma chung
ta duoc day tu Chua Jesus
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letter022002: ho chi nghi rang ton
giao nao cung day ho phai song bac ai , yeu thuong giup do nhau nhung ho khong
nghi rang chinh moi nguoi deu la anh em voi nhau va phai co nghia vu yeu thuong
nhau
Sayyida: Does anyone know where I
can find a rich guy?
liemsj: AnhThu, thi cung co mot so
nguoi thoi, vi ho cung nhu mot so kitohuu khong cho rang nhung nguoi trong ton
giao khac co cung TC la Cha vay.
batron79: thuc ra giao ly cua Phat
giao cung dau co day nguoi ta tu bi chi voi nguoi phat giao dau
liemsj: Cac em than men,
Sayyida: I'll be back soon
liemsj: Bay gio la 8:00 roi. Thay
ket thuc nhe. Chung ta co the tiep tuc trao doi voi nhau, sau khi thay cau
nguyen ket thuc. Tuy nhien, thay ket thuc, de ai mac ban di thi co the di. Thay
mong cac em co cai nhin rong hon, va nhu vay cung la hieu ve Thien Chua hon,
qua buoi chia se nay.... Thay chua muon tom ket, vi het gio, va cung de cac em
suy nghi them nhe.
josephusthom: y minh la
josephusthom: Dung la pho do chung
sinh toan the, nhu la moi nguoi tu phat huy Phat tinh nen minh de thanh Phat,
de giac ngo,
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liemsj: Lay ThienChua la Cha,
liemsj: chung con tin Cha dang
hien dien voi chung con, va da ban ThanhThan huong dan chung con trong gio chia
se nay.
liemsj: Chung con tin rang TAT CA
MOI DIEU TOT LANH deu den tu CHA.
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jbngocduy: con luon tien vay
liemsj: Xin cho chung con co tinh
yeu va long do luong cua Cha, de chung con nhan ra nhung nguoi con ma Cha da
tao dung, deu la anh em cua chung con, vi cung la con cua Cha.
liemsj: Xin cho chung con duoc
song trong tinh yeu thuong cua Cha.
liemsj: Chung con cau xin, nho duc
Kito, Chua chung con.
liemsj: Amen.
letter022002: Amen
josephusthom: Amen
matung1610: Amen
tuong_nha2001: Amen
terdinhhai: amen
jbngocduy: amen
tungsoft: Amen
vinhson81: Amen
annaanh79: amen
batron79: Amen.
liemsj: Cac em than men, bay gio
thay phai di roi. Chao cac em nhe. Caunguyen cho thay dac biet hom nay nhe.
Chuc cac em niem vui va an binh cua Chua PhucSinh.
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