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tone
Newbie
Posts: 7
(6/15/02 3:09:05 pm)
Dropped out of gear??
Hi all,

I've had a strange problem with my bike twice in the last week. Both times I went over a large jolting bump (train tracks and a speed hump) and the bike lost connection between engine and rear wheel. Both times I was in 3rd or above, so it couldn't have bumped into neutral. I revved the throttle and without touching the clutch, it was just as if the clutch was in. I pumped the clutch lever a few times to see if it was stuck, but that did nothing. After about 10 secs each time I got it to reingage by pulling the clutch in and tapping the gear lever up or down until I finally got some power back. btw, the bike wasn't stalled, engine was still running. This could potentially be a very dangerous problem if I lost power in a bad situation. Does anyone have any ideas? A worn/broken clutch or gearbox?

cheers,

tone 

anothernewbie
Registered Member
Posts: 23
(6/15/02 3:21:49 pm)
Reply
dropped out of gear
Hi Tone....not sure if i sometimes experience the same thing..........occasionally i have trouble locating neutral in that the gear lever "floats" (clutch in of course) with no "clicking" (ie locating a gear) with no neutral being found.....if i let the clutch out i am in gear and i stall...........

any thoughts ?? 

michael
Regular Poster
Posts: 153
(6/16/02 8:53:51 pm)
false neutrals and oils
This is known as a false neutral. you can probably find it in many bikes if you try hard to look for it, and it's easier to find in guzzis and beemers (and similar). I experienced it a few times when I first bought the across. I was getting used to riding again after a long period of not riding. however, I simply don't get it anymore. It is often the product of a hesitant / tentative left foot, and simply using stronger or more decisive movements may see you right the problem.

I don't know if there is much of a relationship between this and the oil, but the oil was changed soon after I got the bike, so it might have had something to do with it (cause god knows what was in it). It can't hurt to stay away from anything with friction modifiers in it - a lot of car specific oils have these in them, and they certainly do nothing for a wet clutch. 

It is obviously safe to go for motorbike specific oils like castrol 4t (i think), or the one I am using is Shell helix plus 15w50 which seems to be perfect for motorbikes, is a high quality semi synthetic, and it's relatively cheap.

cheers
michael

check out this guzzi page for info regarding the mechanics of it-

http://www.geocities.com/guzzitech_pages/GearboxClunk-Pete_R.html

michael
Regular Poster
Posts: 154
(6/16/02 9:02:49 pm)
Re: false neutrals and oils
one other thing, you can help to not get false neutrals by making sure that the rubber on your gear selector lever is in top shape. if it's worn a lot on the outside compared to the inside, you can invert it to get back some life (so that the bulk of rubber is on the outer part of the stem). if that still doesn't help, then get a new one, and see if that helps... 
tone
Newbie
Posts: 8
(6/17/02 10:40:15 pm)
Re: false neutrals and oils
michael

Thanks, that seems to make sense with what I have been told from others. The problem didn't occur when actually trying to change gear, but I think I am having a similar problem where a big bump causes the gearbox to move into a false neutral between gears. It is interesting that you mention the change of oil, because I changed it not long before the problem started (although i've only been riding the bike for a couple of weeks, so it is hard to tell). I put in a 4X4 oil (because it matched the spec on the filler cap, 10W-40 i think). I have since found out that I can use a better oil, as suggested in your reply. I might drain it out and give this a try.

cheers,
tone 

Across02
Registered Member
Posts: 73
(6/18/02 1:49:18 pm)
Re: false neutrals and oils
When I first got my bike I was very tentative when changing gears, which lead to a lot of false neutrals.

I have to agree with Michael though, after I changed the oil in my bike (Motul) it made my gear changing a lot nicer. 

Cheers, Nathan


 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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