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tone
Newbie
Posts: 7
(6/15/02 3:09:05 pm) |
Dropped out of gear??
Hi all,
I've had a strange problem with my bike twice in the last week. Both
times I went over a large jolting bump (train tracks and a speed hump)
and the bike lost connection between engine and rear wheel. Both times
I was in 3rd or above, so it couldn't have bumped into neutral. I revved
the throttle and without touching the clutch, it was just as if the clutch
was in. I pumped the clutch lever a few times to see if it was stuck, but
that did nothing. After about 10 secs each time I got it to reingage by
pulling the clutch in and tapping the gear lever up or down until I finally
got some power back. btw, the bike wasn't stalled, engine was still running.
This could potentially be a very dangerous problem if I lost power in a
bad situation. Does anyone have any ideas? A worn/broken clutch or gearbox?
cheers,
tone |
anothernewbie
Registered Member
Posts: 23
(6/15/02 3:21:49 pm)
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dropped out of gear
Hi Tone....not sure if i sometimes experience the same thing..........occasionally
i have trouble locating neutral in that the gear lever "floats" (clutch
in of course) with no "clicking" (ie locating a gear) with no neutral being
found.....if i let the clutch out i am in gear and i stall...........
any thoughts ?? |
michael
Regular Poster
Posts: 153
(6/16/02 8:53:51 pm) |
false neutrals and
oils
This is known as a false neutral. you can probably find it in
many bikes if you try hard to look for it, and it's easier to find in guzzis
and beemers (and similar). I experienced it a few times when I first bought
the across. I was getting used to riding again after a long period of not
riding. however, I simply don't get it anymore. It is often the product
of a hesitant / tentative left foot, and simply using stronger or more
decisive movements may see you right the problem.
I don't know if there is much of a relationship between this and the
oil, but the oil was changed soon after I got the bike, so it might have
had something to do with it (cause god knows what was in it). It can't
hurt to stay away from anything with friction modifiers in it - a lot of
car specific oils have these in them, and they certainly do nothing for
a wet clutch.
It is obviously safe to go for motorbike specific oils like castrol
4t (i think), or the one I am using is Shell helix plus 15w50 which seems
to be perfect for motorbikes, is a high quality semi synthetic, and it's
relatively cheap.
cheers
michael
check out this guzzi page for info regarding the mechanics of it-
http://www.geocities.com/guzzitech_pages/GearboxClunk-Pete_R.html |
michael
Regular Poster
Posts: 154
(6/16/02 9:02:49 pm) |
Re: false neutrals
and oils
one other thing, you can help to not get false neutrals by making
sure that the rubber on your gear selector lever is in top shape. if it's
worn a lot on the outside compared to the inside, you can invert it to
get back some life (so that the bulk of rubber is on the outer part of
the stem). if that still doesn't help, then get a new one, and see if that
helps... |
tone
Newbie
Posts: 8
(6/17/02 10:40:15 pm) |
Re: false neutrals
and oils
michael
Thanks, that seems to make sense with what I have been told from others.
The problem didn't occur when actually trying to change gear, but I think
I am having a similar problem where a big bump causes the gearbox to move
into a false neutral between gears. It is interesting that you mention
the change of oil, because I changed it not long before the problem started
(although i've only been riding the bike for a couple of weeks, so it is
hard to tell). I put in a 4X4 oil (because it matched the spec on the filler
cap, 10W-40 i think). I have since found out that I can use a better oil,
as suggested in your reply. I might drain it out and give this a try.
cheers,
tone |
Across02
Registered Member
Posts: 73
(6/18/02 1:49:18 pm) |
Re: false neutrals
and oils
When I first got my bike I was very tentative when changing
gears, which lead to a lot of false neutrals.
I have to agree with Michael though, after I changed the oil in my bike
(Motul) it made my gear changing a lot nicer.
Cheers, Nathan |