In a club, in the typical frame the woman has all the sexual power. Even the ugliest girl still has more sexual power than the hottest guy there, since there will always be some guy there with enough booze in him to sleep with her. So you REALLY have to set yourself apart and show her that she has no sexual power over you. In clubs you have to open with strong statements. Because there’s so much competition, and the women have so much power in the situation, everything in the beginning has to be nothing but VALUE, VALUE, VALUE or you won’t get in to the set and stay in. Boldness, C&F, humour, they all count. Once you're in the door, it's action-action-action and worshipping the 3-seconds rule. Or you can dance near the edge of the dance-floor and pull any girls passing by to dance with you. Or you can act like you already know the girl, take her hand, nod towards the dance floor and say "Well, come on!". If she seems reluctant, you go "Oh, come on!". If she says "I'm tired", BOOM, you're in a conversation! "Tired? Well, not that you mention it, this place is a little crowded/noisy. Why don't we go to someplace quieter where we can talk and you can relax" If you let go of her hand in the meantime, grab it again and guide her to a nice and quiet little corner you've already checked out before.

On kiss closes: (Tyler Durden, Cliff’s List)

DO NOT kiss-close in clubs, unless you have MAD rapport first. REFUSE all kiss-closes. Holding out and building massive rapport, or using time-distortion, is key to showing her that "this is not just a club fling". If she’s all over you: "Hands off the merchandise!" If you find yourself kissing her, it’s important that YOU be the one to end it first, pulling back and saying something like "Ohhhhh man this is going too fast, we need to control ourselves, etc." The reason for this is that women LOVE foreplay. While guys go out hoping to get sex, a woman can just go out week after week and kiss and grope guys in clubs, and still be satisfied. If you want to see her beyond the club, including taking her home that same night, you have to demonstrate massive value and rapport, and show that you’re not just some "One-Night-Foreplay-Stand". Show her that you can control yourself, and you’re hard-to-get.

STANDING NEXT TO HB IN BAR: "Will you PLEASE stop touching me?" (Oh, I’m sorry… I didn’t know that I was touching you) "Well, you did. And if you’re gonna keep doing it, I’d appreciate it if you’d touch a little higher." (Well, touchy touchy) "Don’t make me get a chaperone."

(On dance floor or in line at the bar) "Hey, did you just touch my ass?" (no) "No? Well you should!" If the girl finds you cute and feels safe (or tipsy), and she’s in a fun mood, she may even slap or touch your ass at that point. Act shocked and say "I was only kidding! I feel VIOLATED. I need a shower now! Or a drink. Buy me a drink."

"What are you doing at a bar? Can’t you find a nice normal guy? Or are you desperate?"

If she asks for a light:

(do you have a light?) "Yeah" (pull out, light it, then pull it back) "You know, smoking’s really bad for you! It’s a dangerous habit." (blah blah) "So, do you have any other dangerous habits?" (suggestively, while lighting cig, her: blah blah) "Like approaching strangers and asking for a light?"

(do you have a light?) "Well it depends. Do you want it to light a cigarette or start a fire in the club?"

You should ALWAYS carry a lighter when you go to a club or bar, since if you don’t have one, the woman will ask another guy and engage HIM in conversation instead. If you’re peacocking with a cool, interesting lighter (and you SHOULD be) she may make a favorable comment on it (Oh, that lighter’s so cool!/Nice lighter!/Let me see it!/etc), say C&F: "You don’t care about me, you’re just interested in my lighter! How about I leave my lighter with you so that you two can have a nice conversation?"

Or if you're talking to a woman at a bar, and the conversation is going well, you say "OK, let's just cut to the chase... are you going to offer to buy me a drink or what?"

IF SHE SNUBS A DANCE: "Ok, if you want to dance with me later, I’ll be around. If I don’t have another good-looking girl on my arm then ask me to dance."

CLUBBING METHOD #1 (Cliff’s List, unknown author)

1. First I believe you should approach clubbing like a military operation. That is, run it like a business.

2. Avoid hanging with your friends in the club, UNLESS they are extremely good at getting women.

3. Once at the club. Avoid the girls with the big purse/hand bag, like the plague. Do they-date, fuck, have relationships, needs love too? Yes, certainly. However, based on my observation, they are usually the designated drivers, baby sitters (friend sitter), for the night.

4. Similarly, at parties avoid the young ladies whom you see with condoms, pinned to their outfit. The condoms mean they want to get all the guys' attention, not that they want to bang.

5. Always be having fun, no matter what. Even if you are out there on the dance floor alone, act like you are having more fun than any one in the room. Just be having what I call "crazy fun." Hi-five everyone (both male and female) on or around the dance floor, even if you have never seen them before in your life. Continue saying, "hi" to everyone and his/her dog in the club and having fun.

6. I never, ever (at least no longer, I should say) ask, "do you have a boyfriend?" Why? I have found that most (many) women will fuck your brains out when she is in the mood, despite having a boyfriend.

7. Never hold up the wall. Have you ever noticed that there is very little space at the walls? The guys who hold up the wall and still get laid are usually the sport players (basketball, football, etc.) Women usually come to those guys. Get yourself in the middle of the dance floor or somewhere speaking with girls or just simply go home. Avoid being one of the losers on "DEATH ROW".

8. I usually go on the dance floor as soon as I enter the club(s), even if it’s empty. Why? Well, ironically because I am not the best dancer in the world. Thus, while many guys need a few beers before hitting the dance floor, I just go out there and start moving. Yes, I view it as warming up.

9. Now, I do believe eye contact and all that is important. However, I never, ever just wait for it in the club. Instead, I simply walk up to a girl or groups of girls (group of one to ten or more.) Then with the biggest smile on my face, I hug them/her and say, "hi". Note carefully: I always hug or put my arms around her/them in one form or another, when I approach. That is, whether I approach from behind, the side or front, I place my arms on them while smiling and saying, "that was so cool/funny," etc.

10. Know your audiences, the approach that works on Jen, may or may not work on April or Allison. Greet her, move away, and return later. She will determine if she wants you to stick around like an appendage.

11. Now this is a very big one, guys. If you take nothing else, this is the biggest secret for you. If a girl refuses your approach early in the night, it does not mean go away and never return. Never ask why she does not want to dance. She has every right to refuse. Which, most of the times has nothing in the world to do with you. So just go away. However, with that same big smile, just say, "[*her name], I will speak with you later on" and keep smiling on leave. Now keep dancing and have "mad-crazy fun." Dance and make out with other young ladies. Then later on say, "hi" to the young lady/ladies who refuse before. Depending on how they had said, "no" the first time will gauge the way you approach the second time around. However, always, always give every woman at least a second chance to get to know you. Often she usually doesn’t remember turning you down before.

12. Don’t be afraid to be seen making out. Women don’t mind, in fact, they seem to love seeing you making out with other women in the club. It gets easier to pick up the next girl and the next group in the club when you are already making out with other women. It seems like women only want what other women have. I have had women say "you were the guy over there making out with my friend Kim." Yet, within 5 minutes we are at it.

13. Now how do I know that she wants to make out? Do I ask her? NO! I have noticed that when a girl wants you to kiss her. She will start to give you this incredible eye scan and they almost always part their lips. They have that luscious look to their lips. That is, their lips are not pursed together instead it’s parted and she is licking them. When I just started out girls use to ask, "are you just shy, why don’t you kiss me?" Now I just watch for the above signs. Then I simply brush back her hair (as she smiles) and hold her face in my left hand and plant one on her. Then I pull back slightly.

14. Don’t ever get drunk and finally, never, ever go home with a drunken girl (possible rape charge if she has misgivings later on).

CLUBBING METHOD #2

The connection game (Cliff’s List, unknown author)

Uses social proof created from scratch in the venue. Chat some girls up for literally 2 minutes, then tell them "Hold on a minute, I have to say hi to someone." Walk over to some other girls you don’t know at all and do the same thing. The concept is simple, just hold their interest, be funny, and leave first. And leave to talk to another girl, make it clear you are going to another girl. Why? This makes them jealous, you didn't have time to fuck up, and they will look for you later, especially after all of the social proof you get through this method. Because you end up appearing to know everyone. Once one of the girls says hi to you later, you know you can have her. It's really that simple. This works wonders compared to the slow process of entertaining girls.

<I'll use an example that really exemplifies his style so you can get the idea. Natural and I go to a club downtown on a Thursday. Right after entering he spots a girl he already knows. We walk over to her and he says hi to her. She's with a gorgeous friend who he doesn't even talk to, and he stops me from talking to her. We chat up his friend until she introduces us, maybe 3 minutes. Then all he says to the hottie is "hey" then talks to his friend some more. This is where the game begins. He turns to the hot girl right when it looks like she's getting bored, "Where are you from?" Dumb question right? Who gives a shit, she was bored, she wanted attention. She's from such and such a city. "Oh, you're one of THOSE kind of girls?" ("What kind of girls?") My friend then looks, smiles, begins to answer then cuts himself off. "I need to go say hi to a friend I'll be back." Off we go to a two set sitting down. He carries over his drink. "I can't stand when I drink, it makes me tired. So you guys get my attention until I finish this drink. (It's almost finished) You guys look like best friends?" They laugh, talk for a bit, just natural convo, but before it gets boring, and before he finishes his drink- up and away- same line: "I need to go say hi to a friend." Cut through a lot of talking and fun times meeting people, we now know basically every girl in the club. Girls do come and say hi but not the ones we want. So we walk by them talking to other girls. Here's the funny maneuver that I didn't explain. When he wants to re-get the attention of a hottie, he says "Hey, don't I know you from somewhere? You seem so familiar, and for the first time this isn't a pick up line." They laugh and say we met earlier. One is this big-titted girl, the other is this small petite 8. He chats with them, I talk to their guy friend to keep him busy. Natural comes to me and says ok we're going to their place. I assume he closed the way he usually does. "This club is closing and I'm not even tired yet, lets keep the party going, and get drunk back at your place." He comes off non-threatening, and genuine about still partying. and it works for him. We get to their place. Lots of people are over, drugs are everywhere. People are doing lines right and left. I get offered a variety of supplements, but I wanted to keep my head straight. Natural grabs me and tells me to sit on the couch next to Big tittie HB, but don't talk to her, talk to everyone else, and pretend like she's not there, until she starts talking to me directly, then pull her to the table away from everyone else. I do this and it works. We then talk and build rapport for a good 6 hours, it's 8 in the morning or so, we go back to her room and do the good deed. Tuesday night is 80's night at one of the clubs in town here. Natural called me up and told me to meet him there. We get inside the club, sure enough he knows some girls, and he strikes up conversation with them. "Shit, we just got here and I promised I'd get my friend plastered, so we have to get going." He ejects quickly and we go upstairs in the club and bump into a girl he helped me work last time. 3 guys were hitting on her so we chilled with the guys and ignored her. She comes and says hi to us. He tells me to kiss her and then walk away from her telling her I'm busy. I do it. On the line to the girls' bathroom there are a group of hotties he doesn't know. I try to open them, I forgot what I said, but it was a bad opener. He jumps in "my friend is drunk right now, you know how it is." Have you ever been to Mexico? Yeah you have. Well, you know how they have guys there who just come up to you and sell you things, but of course they turn out to be the federali?" He cuts her off "Oh I gotta say hi to a friend, hold that thought.">