Welcome to the updated Alt-Gor Pages
i decided it was about time that i updated the Alt-Gor pages since it has looked the same for a while with the same content. i have plans of adding some new content while updating some of the old content. If Y/you happen to have some spare time on Y/your hands and have something to suggest or add drop me a line.
The Vote
A while back there was this "big to do" in the room concerning certain Free wanting to change the room protocols. It was decided at the end of the torterously long meeting that the protocols remain the same. The room scroll with that meeting are included on this site, available to A/all for their reading pleasure...or, if like most, Y/you don't have that much time to spare, Y/you can skip to the end of the'book' and find out how it ended...oopsie...i already told Y/you how it ends...*shrugs*...my bad.
(note: this only includes those posts directly pertaining to the votes themselves. Good luck on figuring out the voting on the third item, the required karta...the question was ill presented, IMHO.)
Thunderous_One (M) two topics R to be discussed [ 8:25 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) A few of the Free having decided to call this meeting together to resolve some of the tough issues regading Gor [ 8:25 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) kills n protocols that divide the Free [ 8:26 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) The purpose being to bring back a degree of honor and sanity to the room... As well as a safe haven for the girls' to know as thier Home [ 8:26 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) to make a safe haven that trust of the slaves have a place to also without the bickering of the Free [ 8:27 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) I say take it alphabetically down the room scroll and let Alll Free say Their peace [ 8:28 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) gives the floor to Falcon if I may... [ 8:28 PM EST]
PortCosMaster (M) Brother, could you illustrate your point with specific examples of objectionable behavior? [ 8:28 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) On the table is the issue of kills in alt Gor [ 8:28 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) let him put it on the table first [ 8:29 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Also the entrance and exit proceeduers of the girls' in the room [ 8:29 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) There's become alarge rift in Opinions and such ! [ 8:29 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) two issues...first the kills [ 8:29 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) The harmony of alt Gor becomming somehat unstable at times [ 8:30 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) This room has always been a NKZ [ 8:30 PM EST]
jcool2006 (M) yes it has [ 8:31 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) Acknowledges the NKZ [ 8:31 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) A vote will be taken issue one [ 8:31 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Then Issue two [ 8:31 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) ...with exceptions [ 8:31 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) lets discuss kill as opposed to a safe haven for slaves n those to learn abt gor without reproach or fear of kill [ 8:32 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Opinions !? [ 8:32 PM EST]
Titamer (49M) To kill is senseless [ 8:33 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) I say continue to honour the NKZ, if all agree that trolls are to be ignored...totally [ 8:33 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) I second that Satyr [ 8:33 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Kills have been accepted protocols for some time [ 8:33 PM EST]
Titamer (49M) Agreed SS [ 8:34 PM EST]
jcool2006 (M) agrees with SS also [ 8:34 PM EST]
PortCosMaster (M) which point shall we discuss first? [ 8:34 PM EST]
Lady_Tharishna (F) Agreed, SatyrSilenus [ 8:34 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) LLazarus (M) aaaaa HAH! Number 6 in the list of protocols: "This room is a peaceful sanctuary [ 8:34 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) That was Never in dispute Thunder [ 8:35 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) There is to be no raiding, killing, kidnapping, force-collaring, capturing of . . . [ 8:35 PM EST]
PortCosMaster (M) I agree, this is not a place for that [ 8:35 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) LLazarus (M) . . . slaves who have left Gor role-play sites, or use of weapons [ 8:36 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) The Free have used Steel the back the Honor boasted of for some time [ 8:36 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) Lazarus (M) . . . alt.com's 'ignore' switch) in anger. Serious arguments should be removed to [ 8:36 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Two Topics Thunder ! [ 8:36 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) the brawl room or dealt with via private Instant Messaging. [ 8:36 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) the no kill zone was established!!! [ 8:37 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) tOther Opinions ! [ 8:37 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) Then it is carried: AltGor remains a NKZ. Trolls ignored by all [ 8:37 PM EST]
jcool2006 (M) and it should stay in force too [ 8:37 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Do speak Up while the issue is at hand ! [ 8:37 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) No vote Has been Taken Satyr [ 8:38 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) Yes, the NKZ has been established for a long time... but the killing of obnoxious trolls has always been an accepted way to put them in iggy. [ 8:38 PM EST]
Titamer (49M) Falcon,What is your opinion? [ 8:38 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) And Of the Free who Openly show dishonor Bender? [ 8:38 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) I think any killing, and I love killing Trolls, but concede that doing so negates the NKZ [ 8:39 PM EST]
PortCosMaster (M) If we agree this is a no kill zone, then what arbitrary standard is inherant on punishment? [ 8:39 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) How then Shold the Free handle Themselves !? [ 8:39 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) and when a reg..mistreats slaves not owned by him? [ 8:39 PM EST]
Old_Raider (M) Satyr....and I also have been guilty of this. For iggy to be effectife, It MUST be honored by all when applied [ 8:40 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) thinks there is a disparity of what is a troll kill to that of a personal kill [ 8:40 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) Well, FF... that point of Free showing open dishonor has been a battle for a long time [ 8:40 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Watch as some Free ruthlessly abandon any sense of propriety ! [ 8:40 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) Then that dishonourable Free goes into room ignore, effectively killing them w/o the violence, or corruption of protocol [ 8:41 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) I agree Satyr ..... However !! [ 8:41 PM EST]
mangus49 (M) Who desides on how the Free are to be iggyed [ 8:42 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) All the Free need to ack in unision in the Ignore [ 8:42 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) thinks we as a group of Free have accepted a group ignore of One...kur [ 8:43 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) not all agreed to that, TO [ 8:43 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) The Issue Is all the Free who willing violate the sanctoty of another Honor [ 8:44 PM EST]
CherokeeDomFl (52M) I take it one or some have dishonored....might I ask who and how? [ 8:44 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) but I do..if I may speak...disagree with presonal kills without a council n the kill to be present to defend his actions is that open for this agenda? [ 8:44 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) Thinks ignore should be imposed on any that indulge in face stripping, forced collaring, kills, fighting or anything of that nature. Forcing a slave into an act that is against her will or [ 8:45 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) ....contrary to her Master's will [ 8:45 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) A group Ignore is very Effective [ 8:45 PM EST]
PortCosMaster (M) technically any Free may punish a slave that is displeasing, I can quote on that. If it is declared a safe area then punishment should not be an option IMO [ 8:45 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) I agree Falcon, but the Free must present a unified front in supporting any such action [ 8:46 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) agrees Will tis why we called this forum [ 8:46 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Unity is Honor by the Free ! [ 8:47 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Perhaps a Given period Of Ignor !? [ 8:48 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) If there is to be discussion, it should be as it was....done privately and acted upon in unison [ 8:49 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) A day !? ... A week !? [ 8:49 PM EST]
Titamer (49M) ividual iggy is the correct way agrees with Satyr [ 8:49 PM EST]
honeylioness (F) My thnaks Satyr - my suggestion is this - prior to a disrespectful new person beingh placed on group ignore, they should be informed of such and invited to stay and watch and learn the proper ways [ 8:52 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) A Period Of Ignor !? [ 8:52 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) whats to be allowed that period ? [ 8:53 PM EST]
Lady_Tharishna (F) Ignore tends to end bickering, given this is an over 18 site, O/one should be mature enough to click that buttom. If either cannot, then both are guilty of being offensive. [ 8:53 PM EST]
Roadsteer1 (M) if you are ignored nothing is allowed [ 8:53 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) I think a Period Of Ignor to Quell the Violation of Dishonor [ 8:54 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) A period of ignore may be in order, as to not be too draconian in response, then during that period, indeed, they might learn. If not a second ignore would be forever [ 8:54 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) Actually, Tharishna... ignore makes the insults & remarks one-sided.... not an end. [ 8:54 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) (5) days to a week ! [ 8:54 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) why would the offenses not matter I ask also? [ 8:55 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) One Month ! [ 8:55 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) I like it ! [ 8:56 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Rather harsh for the first offence [ 8:56 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) I'm thinking 10 days [ 8:56 PM EST]
Roadsteer1 (M) true Goreans show no mercy Falcon i believe a month is to short but there has to be a guide line [ 8:57 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Longer the second occasion ! [ 8:57 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) Forever the second time....Gor IS harsh [ 8:58 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) The real Issue is a degree of Hormony in alt Gor [ 8:58 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) may I say tho...I will not agree to a kill based on personal agenda without agreement of all Free n slaves alike [ 8:59 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) A Vote ! [ 9:00 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) A vote !? [ 9:00 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) AAll agreeing to Put it to a Vote !? [ 9:02 PM EST]
_Cactus (M) This is Alt, NKZ, NFC, NRP [ 9:02 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Fierst ......... Kill or No Kill !? [ 9:02 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) First [ 9:02 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) No to kills...ignore first...one month...second infraction...forever....No to a Council. My votes [ 9:02 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Do I hear a second ! [ 9:02 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) One step at a Time Satyr [ 9:03 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Kill ..... Or No Kill !! ... Put to the Floor for Vote [ 9:03 PM EST]
Titamer (49M) No Kills as per LL [ 9:03 PM EST]
Roadsteer1 (M) agrees with no kill [ 9:04 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) No to kills [ 9:04 PM EST]
CherokeeDomFl (52M) no kill [ 9:04 PM EST]
Lady_Tharishna (F) No kill is My vote. Thank You for the clarification, Falcon Free [ 9:04 PM EST]
Old_Raider (M) first infraction....ignore with councelling, will go with Satyr on rest [ 9:04 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) Titamer... LL did NOT set the protocols... sheeesh [ 9:04 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Do I Har A Seconds It !? [ 9:04 PM EST]
the_lord_saxon (M) No Kill [ 9:04 PM EST]
mangus49 (M) No Kills [ 9:04 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) no kill [ 9:04 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) if all or nothing... then No kills. [ 9:04 PM EST]
_Cactus (M) no Kill [ 9:04 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) vote to keep this a NKZ..and seconded FF [ 9:04 PM EST]
PortCosMaster (M) No Kill [ 9:04 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) seconds no kill [ 9:04 PM EST]
jcool2006 (M) No Kill Zone [ 9:04 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) A clear Majority ! [ 9:05 PM EST]
Titamer (49M) he started this room and did Will did u not hear Thunder [ 9:05 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) I think that motion is carried: No kills [ 9:05 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) No Kill It Is ! [ 9:05 PM EST]
Old_Raider (M) No Kill Zone [ 9:05 PM EST]
CherokeeDomFl (52M) point....imprisonment was used a swell.....needs be iggy by all for a period can serve as such [ 9:05 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) agrees no kills who seconds [ 9:05 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Ignor Is now On The Table !! [ 9:05 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) No, Titamer... Alt started this room... [ 9:05 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) Before We leave it altogether, what of ignore in its stead? [ 9:06 PM EST]
jcool2006 (M) seconds [ 9:06 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Ignor was seconded to Vote [ 9:07 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) Ignore for a month for a first dishonourable infraction, that is explained...and Ignore forever for a second? [ 9:07 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Yea and Neas !!?? [ 9:08 PM EST]
Titamer (49M) Agreed Satyr [ 9:08 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) Agrees with Satyr [ 9:08 PM EST]
Roadsteer1 (M) Agrees with SS [ 9:08 PM EST]
PortCosMaster (M) agrees [ 9:08 PM EST]
mangus49 (M) agrees with SS [ 9:08 PM EST]
Lady_Tharishna (F) I want to know what consistutes a dishonourable infaction in here. [ 9:08 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) Agreed to what SS proposes [ 9:09 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) I agree Satyr [ 9:09 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) face stripping, forced collaring, kills, fighting or anything of that nature [ 9:09 PM EST]
_Cactus (M) Wonders WHO says to iggie and who does not? [ 9:09 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) question how does the first ignore get passed to all Free? [ 9:09 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) making a slave act against her will, or that of her Master [ 9:09 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) I think that sums it up...**Points down**..Agreed [ 9:09 PM EST]
PortCosMaster (M) can we copy some of the evidence we will present to cause a ignore? [ 9:10 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) There Room Is Fairly well Monotord Thunder ! [ 9:10 PM EST]
Lady_Tharishna (F) Copy and pasting can be tampered with, unfortuantely, PortCosMaster [ 9:10 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) personal insults, racial slurs, players outted..... [ 9:11 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) a list of what is not tolerable needs to be set? [ 9:11 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) A vote On (30) Day Ignore ..... Forever on the Seconf Offence !!?? [ 9:11 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) I think witnessing an open infraction I look over at say Cactus, and say: I am placing him in ignore for
Falcon_Free (M) Yea An Nay !!! [ 9:11 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) seconded FF [ 9:11 PM EST]
Lady_Tharishna (F) You would need multiple witnesses, including those that have nothing to gain for testimony [ 9:11 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Yea Or Nea !!!??? [ 9:12 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Time To Vote !! [ 9:12 PM EST]
Titamer (49M) yea but how can we prove [ 9:12 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) erm...Yea [ 9:12 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) New Ones should be told to sit and learn, perhaps assigned a Mentor if they are sincere [ 9:13 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) Yea on the month then forever iggy [ 9:13 PM EST]
CherokeeDomFl (52M) I vote Yea to 30 day but a list of some type is needed [ 9:13 PM EST]
jcool2006 (M) theyshould be directed to a place to learn or be given every chance to do so if genuine [ 9:13 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) and those "witnesses" of the infraction, may they be slaves as well? or must they be "Free"? [ 9:14 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) The Yeas Have Cleared Passed !!! [ 9:14 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) I think both should have a say as witness Will [ 9:15 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) do we rush to judgment or to we use wisdom to teach I ask do we rise above tolerance before we vote [ 9:15 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) I didnt cast my vote [ 9:15 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Carried !!! .... 30 Day Ignor ! [ 9:15 PM EST]
_Cactus (M) FF I am bringing up points are you just rammroading or haveing a disscussion? [ 9:15 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) IForever On the Second Occasion ! [ 9:16 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) the vote has not beein carried [ 9:16 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) Aye, I agree with Cactus. It would not hurt to hear more on the topic, lest any think it was rushed [ 9:16 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) A vote was called for on the issue of a 30 ban as first correction...many voted [ 9:17 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) this vote Falcon tis still in motion n up for discussion [ 9:17 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) The Ignor Has Benn Passed ! [ 9:18 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) Yes, I did Falcon, but if a Free feels that they must add something, and it merits that the vote be re-examined, then We should do so. I have seen nothing so far that merits another vote on Ignore [ 9:19 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) nay I have not casted a vote [ 9:19 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) TO... get on with your discussion then and see if any change their vote [ 9:19 PM EST]
_Cactus (M) Who sets the boundries and who calls the shots, who is the one that says ya or nay? how do all know the regulations? [ 9:19 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) nor has the vote bein second why does we rush this vote [ 9:19 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) Specific, in depth guidelines can, and should be established. Let Us lay the groudwork now though [ 9:20 PM EST]
honeylioness (F) My suggestion is...when a topic is being discussed...it should be asked first if there is more discussion or points anyone wishes to make...then WAIT at least several minutes before calling for a vote [ 9:20 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) my problem with the first ignor tis who set the protocols of the boundarys..........do we not allow tolerance? [ 9:20 PM EST]
Roadsteer1 (M) the vote has been carried get on with the next issue [ 9:21 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) ORDER !!!!! [ 9:21 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) Tolerence yes....for face stripping, forced collaring, kills, fighting or anything of that nature, those are clear [ 9:21 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) but Roads why rush any vote when many visit this gor...do we use wisdom or quickness or aggorance [ 9:21 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) NEXT ISSUE !!!!!!! [ 9:24 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Enter and Exiting By The girls'...................... [ 9:24 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Ask Or Not To Ask !!!????? [ 9:25 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) ASK OR NOT TO ASK ENTRANCE BY THE GIRLS ENTERING THE ROOM??????????????? [ 9:27 PM EST]
Roadsteer1 (M) If you are speaking of entering FF...then it is not required....but appreciated [ 9:27 PM EST]
_Cactus (M) Tis on an girls choice there [ 9:27 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) No... no "asking" by anyone is required [ 9:27 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) That's To Be Determined Here And Now Roads !! [ 9:27 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) It's A Large Point Of Conflict !!!!!! [ 9:28 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) In the books it was not used, only online..and again this is not a full r/p room [ 9:28 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) So long as respect is shown, no need to beg....but comedy routines do need to cease...This is Gor [ 9:28 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) OPEN FOR DISCUSSION [ 9:28 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) Slaves should not be required to ask to enter.. [ 9:29 PM EST]
_Cactus (M) chuckles a Karta an exit are good to look at but are not Gorean as Sharia stated the y are R/p [ 9:29 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) ....although I reserve the right to dictate that Mine always do [ 9:29 PM EST]
_Cactus (M) but the bottom line is that it is up to the certain slaves Master [ 9:29 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) I have watched many a girl sit at the door because no Free allowed entry [ 9:29 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) Agreed Cactus [ 9:30 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) and many times the Free do not pay close attention to those who do karta & beg entrance or exit. [ 9:30 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) slaves may "karta" and beg entrance before beginning their interaction with O/others in the room. They may do so simply, without overwriting the description. [ 9:30 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) The same holds true for asking permission to leave. It's expected that most slaves with Gorean training will ask [ 9:31 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) And then there are those who will just decline certain slaves' requests because they're angry at them. [ 9:31 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) permission to enter or leave, and that newcomers probably will not. Karta should not be a criterion for whether a slave is welcomed or accepted. [ 9:31 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) I agree Sahira !! [ 9:31 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) and they should be allowed, OR [ 9:31 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) That is from the protocols [ 9:31 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Asking Is A Proper Tradition [ 9:31 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) I say entry with respect and deference to the Free in greeting upon entry, THEN their sisters, as it should be...no mugging....wrestling or that other horseshit...like slkiding into third base [ 9:32 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) I don't Agree Satyr [ 9:32 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) As is Your right Falcon. Mine will beg as they always have....~wry grin~...If I can keep one around long enough [ 9:33 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) A Vote On The Issue !!! [ 9:33 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) Also states that # Karta should not be a criterion for whether a slave is welcomed or accepted. [ 9:33 PM EST]
CherokeeDomFl (52M) Styr, I agree to an extent. Friends will show friendship through silly antics at times. If deemed innapropriate, a Master should deal with it then and there..... [ 9:33 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Ask Or Beg Satyr......... I do agree !! [ 9:33 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) If a slave enjoys the creativity of a karta, it is not held against them at all... but to require them to ask entry first is not right. [ 9:33 PM EST]
honeylioness (F) I believe it should be up to each kajira...some are required to...others are not...like Will I have seen many ignored when they ask entry [ 9:34 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) or downright denied for personal reasons, honeylioness [ 9:34 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) A wise Free at The Door Will Know What To Do !!! [ 9:34 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Has Always Been That Way [ 9:35 PM EST]
honeylioness (F) Yes Will, sad but true...and if as other';s have stated, this is not a RP room..then why should it be required?...it is a good learning tool as are serves, but this is supposed to be a chat forum [ 9:35 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) The Purpose Is Clear ....... [ 9:36 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Do I Hear A Second On A Vote [ 9:36 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) not clear... [ 9:37 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) We Are Deciding The Protocols Now ........ HERE [ 9:37 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) The girls' Learn By Observeing !!!! Right or Wrong !!!! [ 9:38 PM EST]
Roadsteer1 (M) i think its the choice of the individual Master if he wishes her to karta so be it [ 9:39 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) I think existing protocol will suffice [ 9:39 PM EST]
honeylioness (F) pyretta makes a valid point - I would not like to see a newcomer who wishes to learn, made to feel badly when they enter without a karta [ 9:39 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Do I Hear A Second On The Vote !!!????? [ 9:39 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Ask /Beg ...... Or Not !! [ 9:41 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) so Sahria many will not agree to beg/ask entry or permssion to leave correct? [ 9:46 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) Again, I say a matter of choice for girls out of collar, so long as proper respect is shown, and for those in collar, their Master's will [ 9:46 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) A VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [ 9:46 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) DO I HEAR A SECOND !!?? [ 9:46 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) not ready to vote [ 9:46 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) Second [ 9:47 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) A Fillabuster TO !!!??? [ 9:47 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) nay [ 9:47 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) do you hear what i hear....there R master who will not allow slaves to beg/ask entry what tis that protcol in this room? answer I will vote [ 9:48 PM EST]
BravoSierra1961 (M) Falcon>>I suggest the following: each owned girl must do what her Master commands, for uncollared girls they should ask for enter if they know and will be forgiven if they do not [ 9:48 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) I can agree with that Brovo [ 9:49 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) is just posted it TO the room protocol says each couple to their own [ 9:49 PM EST]
Lokis_pleasure (F) wonders why someone should be forgiven for something that is NOT Gorean [ 9:49 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) agrees Sahria to that I vote yes [ 9:49 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) ASK?BEG ................ OR NOT [ 9:50 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) UP FOR VOTE [ 9:50 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) Respect is though pleasure, and so long as that is observed and a girls actions on entry do not mock all that is Gorean [ 9:50 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) DO I HEAR A SECOND?????? [ 9:50 PM EST]
Titamer (49M) votes in favor of Bravo [ 9:51 PM EST]
jcool2006 (M) then let it be so [ 9:54 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) A Vote On asking/begging to Enter exit by the girls !? [10:03 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Do I Hear A Second !!?? [10:03 PM EST]
_Cactus (M) No! [10:04 PM EST]
Roadsteer1 (M) second [10:04 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Nod To Roads !!!! Seconded !!!! [10:04 PM EST]
_Cactus (M) That has already been set by the founders of Alt FF [10:05 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) seconds n knows each has a protocol of their Master but votes yes to uncollared or owned slaves..........and what to those who dont adhere? [10:05 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) YEA or Nea !!!!????? [10:05 PM EST]
jcool2006 (M) then it is passed ? [10:06 PM EST]
Roadsteer1 (M) Yea [10:06 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) Yea [10:06 PM EST]
CherokeeDomFl (52M) nay [10:06 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) yea [10:06 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) THE VOTE"S BEEN SECONDED [10:06 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) ...and Aye Jc [10:06 PM EST]
honeylioness (F) Nay on punishing those who do not karta or ask entrance, but Yea on asking to exit or be AFK [10:07 PM EST]
jcool2006 (M) yeah as well [10:07 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) YEA OR NEA [10:07 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) the vote is on required beg or beg not required? [10:07 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) not required? [10:07 PM EST]
_Cactus (M) Votes NO as this was set by Alt at the start, a girl does NOT have to beg entrance to be part of this room and she is not to be disbarred for lack of [10:08 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) Nay to required beg to enter [10:09 PM EST]
CaptainTeach (M) Votes no on a girl being required to ask permission- let the original protocol stand [10:09 PM EST]
BravoSierra1961 (M) votes no on girls having to beg to enter [10:09 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) I voted earlier that the original protocol remain in force, and still vote "Yea" to it [10:09 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) oops what Roads and I vote is that it stays as written in the beggining [10:10 PM EST]
_Cactus (M) That is an indiviguals choice and in alt we cannot and should not force it [10:10 PM EST]
Titamer (49M) votes nay [10:10 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) no, TO... voting "no" keeps the karta/beg an optional choice [10:11 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) BS Cactus..I posted the rules before and said it was right [10:11 PM EST]
Old_Raider (M) For the record, a girl who adheres to me, comes direct to me and kneels before addressing the room [10:11 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) I HAVE 11 FREE VOTES [10:12 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) I agree with what Sahira is posting, just as it was, it should remain [10:13 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) nods to SS*... that is why I am voting "no required beg or karta" [10:15 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) my vote tis no...each entry tis those willing...if they have other protocols from their Masters they should adhere to it n let it be known...on exits n entrys without reproach or punishment n to [10:15 PM EST]
CaptainTeach (M) 'tis simple- I vote to let the original protocol stand- [10:15 PM EST]
BravoSierra1961 (M) I agree with teach [10:16 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) It seems the majority agree that the original protocol stands [10:16 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) EOMER .. YOUR VOTE..... A girl Asks Entrance Or Not !!????? [10:17 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Yea Or Nea Teach [10:17 PM EST]
CaptainTeach (M) FF- for the third time- nay- let the original protocol stand- begging not required- karta not required [10:18 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) agrees n votes with CT [10:18 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) the votes says nay..........agreed [10:20 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) 8 Yeas !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [10:20 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) 7 Neas !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [10:21 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) 8 yeas?? by whom? [10:21 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) Looks to FF...hope Roads and I are not included in yeas? [10:21 PM EST]
_Cactus (M) what? [10:21 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) ************* girls' will ask/ beg entrance And Exits Into the Room [10:21 PM EST]
_Cactus (M) who voted Yes FF? [10:21 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) nope.. I want a re-count & their names [10:22 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) You Voted Yea Sahira [10:22 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) Looks to FF...We wish a recount..immediatly [10:22 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) So did Roads [10:22 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) Hmm...Think the vote should haver been worded: All those in favour of maintaining the existing protocol say "Yea"....those requiring a beg or karta..."Nay".... [10:22 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) saw more nays then yahs [10:22 PM EST]
Eomer_E (M) I one Yeah here! [10:22 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) The discussion went on so long UI think many lost sight of what a Yea stood for [10:22 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) Falcon THREE time Roads and I corrected our votes..we want the old ways [10:22 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) Exactly Satyr [10:23 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Counted Eomer ! [10:23 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) votes for the old ways.......who seconds the vote? [10:23 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) I vote Yea to the existing protocol [10:23 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) VOTING happens ONCE [10:23 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) to which vote, Eomer?? what does your "yeah" stand for? [10:23 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) Not in Florida Falcon [10:24 PM EST]
Titamer (49M) I secound Thunder [10:24 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) needs a third to be passed who thirds the old protocols? [10:24 PM EST]
_Cactus (M) <--Respectively asked for a recount of votes FF [10:24 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) FAlcon we CLEARLY misread the wording...we wanted the old ways [10:24 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) I'll third it, TO [10:24 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) I forth it [10:24 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) I dicsribed The VOTE Vey Clearly !! [10:25 PM EST]
Eomer_E (M) girls must beg to enter and exit [10:25 PM EST]
_Cactus (M) <-- 5th [10:25 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) nods the free have voted n passed the old ways ...no entry needed or exits reuqired [10:25 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) I fifth it...I simply love a fifth about now [10:25 PM EST]
CaptainTeach (M) FF- not a new vote- a clarification- sahira has just stated that you have incorrectly counted her vote- you cannot change what she means [10:25 PM EST]
_Cactus (M) Well FF 2 of the "Yea " votes had said multiple times to NOT have it required [10:25 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) THREE (((((((((3))))))))) TIMES [10:26 PM EST]
Roads_Sahira_FC (F) It appeared that yes meant to keep the old ways [10:26 PM EST]
Old_Raider (M) If I have this correctly, vote is yea or nae for the old protocols??? [10:26 PM EST]
CaptainTeach (M) TO- thirds- the original room protocols stand [10:26 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Majority !!! [10:26 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) majority has ruled [10:26 PM EST]
daphne73 (F) yes moajority means we don't beg entrane or leaving as 2 votes were miscounted [10:27 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Some progresss Has been Made !! [10:27 PM EST]
_Cactus (M) FF It was asked by a Few Free to recount, You Call the Nic and they vote simple [10:27 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) The old protocols stand [10:27 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) I do Appreciate All the Free Whom Clearly spoke Their Vote [10:27 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) A girl will ask to Enter and Depart [10:28 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) *smiles [10:28 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) protocols stand... beg not required [10:28 PM EST]
Thunderous_One (M) nay Falcon she doesnt have to [10:28 PM EST]
CaptainTeach (M) FF you are out-voted - drop it [10:29 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) Fairwinds Free [10:29 PM EST]
Falcon_Free (M) * departs [10:29 PM EST]
honeylioness (F) Okay, here is what I have from my scrolls....one yes - Falcon [10:29 PM EST]
Eomer_E (M) I vote to recount to assure accuracy and peace within the room, as long as the recount does not turn into a pissing match and extended circle jerk [10:29 PM EST]
Lokis_pleasure (F) wait, by Your own rules if a Free acts in a dishonorable way, then does that peson get iggied for 30 days [10:30 PM EST]
honeylioness (F) Eight Nays - Roasteer, LJ, Honey, Will, Sahira, SS, TO, Bravo and Teach [10:30 PM EST]
ananka (F) That would be nine because Master Titamer also voted Nay [10:30 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) honeylioness... and how many yeas? [10:31 PM EST]
_Cactus (M) and mine was a nay as well [10:31 PM EST]
honeylioness (F) i only counted FF actually voting Yea...but I think perhaps jcool followed suite [10:31 PM EST]
Lady_Tharishna (F) I vote Nay [10:31 PM EST]
Lady_Tharishna (F) Wiat a moment [10:32 PM EST]
Lady_Tharishna (F) What the hell am I voting on? [10:32 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) so that was FF, JCool & Eomer? [10:32 PM EST]
daphne73 (F) so the actual true vote stands not that shit ff tried to pull? [10:32 PM EST]
Eomer_E (M) Will< I was Yeah [10:33 PM EST]
honeylioness (F) yes Will...that makes it 3 Yes....and 11 No to needing to beg to enter [10:33 PM EST]
BravoSierra1961 (M) Will>>I vote that girls do have to beg to get in [10:34 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) that makes 4 yes, honeylioness [10:34 PM EST]
Lady_Tharishna (F) For the girls to beg entry, I vote YEA! [10:36 PM EST]
jcool2006 (M) i vote yea but not at the expense of the slave who is not permitted by there Masters [10:37 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) that wasn't the choice, Jcool... it was either require slaves to beg entrance/exit or leave it optional per the present protocols. [10:38 PM EST]
Benders_buttrfIy (F) *whispers* so....after nearly three hours of bickering...everything pretty much remains as it was, save for the agreement for room iggies? [10:41 PM EST]
SatyrSilenus (M) From My own count, the established protocols, and they pertain to beg/karta...stand [10:41 PM EST]
WillBenderOTK (M) that's about it in a nutshell, buttrfly. [10:42 PM EST]
Planned Update
i would like to create a gallery of images of the members of O/our home on Alt. If Y/you would like Y/your image and a few lines about Y/yourself to appear on this site (maybe Y/you are looking for Y/your O/one or Y/you have already found Y/your O/one and would like to show 'em off to the O/other) just slip me an e-mail and i will add it. Risque or nilla, it's all the same to me.