How to make a Solar System
a few hypotheticals on the creation of the solar system
by Joseph_Sixpack
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Abstract: There are a few issues about the origin of the
solar system and how Saturn & Uranus managed to form under
the 'standard' accretion theory of Solar System formation.
Many scientists think that Saturn & Uranus shouldn't be
there under the accretion theory because they are too far
away from the sun.
Under the accretion theory of solar system formation, all
the planets and the asteroids formed and gradually coalesced
by crashing and banging into one another's spacetime warpage
(gravitational) dimple.
Under the solar system accretion theory, there was only one
big dimple on campus which belonged to the sun.
Attempts to make computer models of the events failed
however because, as it turned out, there was no way the
Saturn and Uranus could have been formed under the existing
accretion theories because they didn't coalesce using the
computer accretion models. They were just too far away.
I don't know whether the model included the Kuiper belt and
the Oort "cloud" as part of the solar system creation
process but i don't know how you can leave it out and say
you have a model of the solar system.
Spacetime warpage dimples are an interesting concept. They
really are not dimples at all in fact, but just a rough
concept to explain spacetime.
The dimples are really just spherical realities, that is,
a reality on every point of a sphere surrounding the
causational gravitational mass.
The simple rubber sheet geometry of a dimple helps explain
spacetime warpage and time dilation. The rubber sheet
dimple is not the reality, the spherical dimple is.
In addition however, the dimpling concept of Einstein
allegedly did away with the presumption of a supporting
physical underlayer, known as the Æther, upon which
fields were given operational effectiveness or something
like that...
A Sad Note:
(Occasionally... it gets real depressing to realize that you
don't know for sure a thing about anything around you.
sigh...) :-(
Okay... back to Saturn and Uranus and solar system
formation.
The accretion theory works as long as the dimple is
effective in drawing mass into it at some above minuscule
rate.
Saturn and Uranus apparently are out of gravitational range.
Okay... so what is the kuiper belt and the Oort cloud all
about then?...
so...
Guess #1: (not necessarily the best)
Big cloud of gas slowly accreted into glops. Central Proto
became the sun, planets all ate up the remaining stuff,
growing as they did. The main 'dimple', formed by the
protosun formed the deepest dimple into which everything
slowly accreted as their forward velocity was probably too
slow to maintain orbit and maybe even zero or close to it.
That is why today there are no planets and we do not exist.
Smart idea huh?
Guess #2: (not necessarily the best)
Same as above except everything was revolving fast enough to
establish a stable orbit relative to their mass to stay out
of the kitchen. A lot probably didn't.
Guess #3: (getting closer)
TWO, not one, protosuns fell into a closing orbit and
accelerating, left behind a LOT of debris with proper
forward (x,y) velocities to maintain an orbit velocity fast
enough to keep from going to the kitchen, where upon they
slowly accreted enough local space glop to become an
orbiting planet, and left behind Oort cloud stuff, and
Kuiper belt stuff. But the Oort and Kuiper probably did/do
pick up a lot of stuff as the solar system hurls through
space at lebenty-leben miles per hour on its way to the
'Great Trash Compactor'.
As the two protosuns merged into one dimple of course there
was then enough mass or nearly enough to commence the fusion
process. Voila! a star was born. If not right away, then
after a lot more slower glop fell into the dimple to
increase the mass of the sun to ignition status. This is
evident by the gazillion parking lot dents on the moon,
mars, venus, as well as on a lot of space rubbish comets and
asteroids. Our moon may have been an independent orbiting
ball of swiss cheese that simply got picked up by the earth
in the early days or it may have formed from the same glop
that the earth did. Joe don't know and doesn't wanna bother
with the moon problem as it is totally inedible. The
original orbit of the moon around the earth was much closer
and is steadily enlarging and going away, soon to fly off
somewhere else in disgust at all the trash left behind by
earthlings. Where it goes, and when, is a mathematician's
guess and not a joe's. Tides will decrease. Contrariwise
if something whacks it back in our court.
The two protosun concept is very much like the Universe+
hypothesis on how galaxies are formed, albeit, on a much
smaller scale.
The two protosun hypothesis of solar formation explains why
forward closing velocity of the two protosuns was sufficient
enough as the gobs of gorp were left behind in space to
accret and to keep things in orbit because of the x,y
vectors that existed upon closing to form the one dimple
upon which, none of the planets fell into the kitchen. Or
if some of them did, they aren't talking.
Small planets with accompanying rings and moons may have had
the same binary formation principles as the two protosun
concept. All dimples, no matter how big or how small, run
downhill.
So the alternate sub-hypothesis is that the ringed planets
themselves were just very small "mini-in-making" binary
protosuns and were just captured by the much larger and
major binary protosuns.
Alternatively, the ringed gas planets may have been the
first gas/particle products to fall off the increasing
acceleration of the two original protosuns and subsequently
accreted the remainder of their mass in further orbits over
time.
That just leaves the asteroid belts, the kuiper belt, and
the Oort Cloud to figure out... These could have been a
proto planet that just got whacked by a grumpy asteroid
gravitationally falling into the dimple of the two protosuns
and then distributed its stuff, as least what remained in
orbit, in a orbital fashion over the eons. what didn't
remain in orbit either hit other planets or escaped to more
distant space to resume its own accretion activities
undisturbed to one day become a full grown protosun too.
Or it might just be leftover falloff stuff as the two
protosuns accelerated towards one another. These are going
to take a lot more thought.
Anyhow, if anyone asks, that is how joe thinks our solar
system "Milky" was formed.
Joe's theory is that there are gazillions of single
protosuns out there in the cosmos and if we look we may see
a few of them become binaries and then see them light up
slowly to form their own solar system within our own galaxy.
Lots of milk out there.
To a joe, there are really only three things involved in
solar formations. One is mass, the other is mass velocity.
That is, dirt and dirt clumps speeding along towards one
another and the third is the gravitational dimples (warped
spacetime) that are causative in the effects of mass as it
collects.
It's a sand blast machine out there folks... if the sand
doesn't get you, the rocks will, and if the rocks don't get
you, the boulders will, and if the boulders don't get you,
the superdirt (radiation) will. stay home. for most of us,
if we spread our wings and head for the sky we are going to
get shot down.
don't go there.
Now for something really different
SOLARSYS.HTML part 2
O.K., Everybody is happy now going 'round and 'round the
ferris wheel of the sun and the entire solar system has
settled down for the most part. The beach chairs and
umbrellas are all out and everybody on the beach is getting
crispy.
When Oops! yet another protosun far, far, away notices that
it is going downhill very slowly into someones else's
dimple. Let's give the protosun a name and call it,
ummm..., "Putt-Putt".
Putt-Putt starts its descent into the far, far, away center
of "Milky's" dimple very slowly at first, but then things
start banging and clattering into Putt-Putt. It just got
close to the Oort cloud and started to suck up dust from
Oort before it even got into Oort. Putt-Putt, our wandering
protosun really disturbed Oort bad during its passage and
started on a serious weight gain program.
Astronomers on Earth finally notice the man who is about to
come for dinner but most are told to say and think it is
just a dust cloud at first so as not to alarm any crispys
basking on the beach.
Putt-Putt continues on downhill until it get near the Kuiper
belt. All of a sudden a rockslide started towards the
Masked invader.
All the defensive arrows speeding from the Kuiper belt did
one of five things:
1) Some made a direct hit on Putt-Putt and went bang and
clatter. Putt-Putt's velocity and direction didn't change a
bit as the vectored forces from the impacts as measured
against Putt-Putt's minor acceleration towards the incoming
all zeroed out.
2) Some missed Putt-Putt by a x miles and were just
accelerated out into space to start a life of slow accretion
to protosun status or larger if they were lucky and didn't
fall into someone else's dimple and join up with them.
3) Some missed Putt-Putt by x-y miles and just zoomed
around Putt-Putt and were redirected into the area that
Milky and his buddies occupied.
4) Some zoomed close, but fast enough, to orbit Putt-Putt
and just changed dimples for a while, zooming around Putt-
Putt instead of Milky.
5) But for many of the remainder, most were just
gravitationally disturbed and zoomed here, there, and
everywhere, depending on how close Putt-Putt came near. The
Kuiper belt contains a lot of heavy warrior stone souls so
there was a lot of grief.
Putt-Putt keeps slowly accelerating, and keeps going in a
downhill direction towards and into the center of milky's
dimple.
What happens next depends on who or what planets were in the
way of Putt-Putt as he keeps accelerating towards the bottom
of Milky's dimple. Gravitationally disturbed orbits of most
if not all the planets might make it hard to find a place to
get a cup of coffee if a third protosun or even smaller
object makes its entrance into the solar system's warped
spacetime.
And forget the crispies.
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