Abstract:  Joe tries once again to understand Mass, this 
time using intuitive? field theory.  Hopefully, the Large 
Hadron Collider will shed some light on the subject.

The problem with Mass is that it is incomprehensible.
What is it really?  What makes it?  How is it made?  Can it 
be destroyed?  Can it be created?  Does it entropy away?
A hundred questions with no answers.

Well, here is the latest 'joseph_sixpack' theory:

           There is no such thing as Mass.

Yup...

that's right.

No Mass.    

Okay, smarty, if there is no Mass, then what is there?
says them.

'don't know', says joe.

Isn't he just full of insights? says them.

No Mass huh?  says them.

Well then, says them.

Take this bowling ball, and drop it on your toe, and we can 
listen to you, when no mass hits your toe. says them.

okay... okay... let me explain.  or try to explain...

but this note first:
first reread the chapter called Twilight zone (chap25).
The property that gives the impression of mass are tiny 
polar particles uniformly attracted to and attached to any 
'mass'.  Their uniform (-) negativelike (repulsive) charges 
all face out and effect a 'mass wall'.  At the time i 
thought they could even be photonlike in size.  i don't 
think they are electrons but they are something...  perhaps 
undiscovered as yet in the particle world.  Perhaps non- 
existent.  Anyhow these 'particle barriers' cling somewhat 
like rust on iron, give the fields the appearance of mass 
due to the uniformity of their polar orientation.

The layer of repulsive charges that effect the instantaneous 
resistance at the border of the atom are not responsible for 
the mass that additively do the majority of spacetime 
warping.  So, in theory, if we can strip the gazillion 
little repulsive causing barrier "glue-ons" from mass, then 
mass might have some completely different properties, like 
being able to pass through one another.  So you may be able 
to get the book into the table after all under this somewhat 
wildly imaginative hypothesis.  Don't know... let's leave 
this one for the experts.

Perhaps the LHC will get the job done.

Continuing then:

Mass is just a collection of fields.

Wait!  says them.  You just said there wasn't any mass.

Hold up a minute! say i, what i said was that mass isn't 
mass.  Quantum Mass is just a set of generated fields.

Wait!  says them.  First you start out talking about mass 
now you are into 'Quantum' mass.  Them twos aren't the same.

sheesh... says i.  Just listen a minute will you?...

OneStone and his companions, for the most part, spent their 
lives looking for a unified field theory.

That means that according to the advanced physicists, that 
everything, including life and our perceived reality, is 
just a set of very complicated fields in action over time.  

So a field is mass? says they.

Not exactly, says i.  Fields are mistaken for, and explained 
as mass.

So there is mass? says they.

No!  There is really no mass, just fields.

So what does the M in the equation E = M C 2 mean 
then smarty?

sigh... look...
i think that all the M in +/- E = M C2 means is 
that E is the sum of the energy contained in the fields.

We don't understand what you are saying.

Well, don't feel bad... i don't understand what i am saying 
either a lot of the time.  Speaking of Time, Time itself 
probably gets folded back into the unified theory as well 
and not just gravity since i suspect that Time itself is 
just another mass generated field since it can be affected 
(dilated) by mass.

Now, you said Mass doesn't exist already already remember?

Okay... being warped by the effects of the different fields 
that give us the impression that something is mass.  But 
Mass isn't.  Fields is.

So... are you going to show us how to do the 'fields' math 
to show us how to figure Mass?

Wait a minute!  Joe isn't bright.  Can't you just weigh the 
stuff in pounds or kilograms to get a sum total of the 
fields warped spacetime output?

Oh sure... do you want us to weigh it on earth, the moon, 
mars, jupiter or in outer space?  What answer would you like 
to get?

Look... a dimple is a dimple is a dimple.  The same dimple 
is going to exist no matter where you are going to weigh it.  
The only way you are going to 'weigh it' is to get a handle 
on the time dilation that exists.

Yeah but that varies depending how close you are to all the 
fields that you are saying is causing the appearance of 
mass.

A giant black hole would appear to 'weigh' as much as a 
lesser black hole because in both cases time dilation would 
max out.  Your scales are kaput under major dimple 
conditions.  Or in your words, the 'fields' representing the 
masses' dimple (warped spacetime) are unmeasurable once time 
has dilated to its max amount.   

You still haven't told us what kind of math you are going to 
use to integrate all the alleged fields that make up your  
unmeasurable mass and time.

Joe... we think you don't know what you are talking about.

Well... i couldn't agree more. but then... if you don't like 
my approach to a possible negation of any possible hope of a 
TOE, we'll try yours to integrate reality.  As you can see, 
my feeble effort bombs out when Time dilation approaches its 
limit value.  What have you got. You talk.  I'll listen.  
Proceed.

i'm waiting...   you be the smarty...

Well, we can get around the Time dilation problem by just 
measuring the event horizon's diameter or radius or 
circumference as your Fields (mass) grow when Time is maxed 
out.  so just because Time gets maxed out we can still 
measure (mass) from the event horizon values.  Or at least 
we can get a rough idea because there probably would be some 
event oblation going on due to internal centrifugal forces.  
If things got that big, they probably wouldn't or perhaps 
might not (cya here) even look like a sphere but more like 
an M&M.  In fact, they may even look like a long playing 
record, an LP so to speak, much like a galaxy looks like, 
only invisible as the spacetime warpage was stretched out 
over a centrifugally formed supermassive black hole.

so far, so good?

yeah... sounds good to me.  keep going, but back to the TOE.

But before you start, let me run a Time Dilation idea for 
you.

What's that?

Well... it goes something like this...  We know that, or at 
least suspect that:  That black holes still exhibit gravity 
or create a warped spacetime condition, if you prefer, even 
though TIME within them has ostensibly come to a halt due to 
maximum dilation.

So your prospective TOE may have to take that suspected 
'fact' into consideration.