As the wrestling world has mourned yet another loss of a hero, a legend, a superstar. Hach and Vic join forces and debate what could help bring wrestling back to the mainstream once again. As well as other hot wrestling topics, on wether the best organization right now is TNA or WWE. And is TNA's six sided ring a pro or a con to the world of TNA and wrestling itself.
Plus who will be the next wave of superstars to overtake the spotlight and lead their company to number one. But before even asking that, is there another wrestler war on the way?
So without further ado...... read.....
Vic: mmm, whats better than eating some cheese only to discover it expired a year ago
Hach: drinking coffee with creamer that expired a year and a half ago and ending up coughing so much that u puke blood?
Vic: damn i didnt even get to the fun part yet
Hach: haha... oh?
Vic: heh whatever comes up is gonna be prettty colorful
Hach: haha
Vic: heh
Hach: so did u cry?
Vic: well I'm still kind of in disbelief
Hach: yeah me too.. when they did the ten bell thing, i sent me chills everytime
Vic: I suppose you heard the official word that it was heart failure
Vic: well with everything that happens, good or bad, theres always going to be some idiot that tries to use the situation for their own personal gain comedians are assholes
Hach: yeah.. he's just an ass
Vic: they say what the fuck they want and they get away with it because that's "expected" in their profession
Hach: yup
but he's not a comedien
Vic: well
what exactly did he say
Hach:
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Vic: hmm
well
everybody deals with loss differently
for me it's like, I'm completely taken back by it, I just can't believe it, an overall feeling of numbness comes over me because I know if I think about it I'm just going to be really sad and upset
Hach: yeah, I hear ya.. I almost started hysertically crying but i smoked a cig before I did
Vic: I remember when he was in WCW, it looked like they were going to make a rivalry between him and Bischoff and it never happened...I was disappointed by it
Hach: yeah, I remember when he was in ECW, WCW, Japan, Mexico, ROH, all of it.. I met him once at a ROH show
Vic: oh
wow
Hach: yeah
Vic: talk about a love for the business
Hach: but I've never met my favorite wrestler
Vic: raven
Hach: met him.. some black guy came running out of nowhere with a chair and started swinging and I hid behind Rob Williams
Vic: heh
I'm sure you were pretty safe behind that shield
Hach: haha.. yeah, I know..
I met Funk too once..
Vic: heh
Hach: But I'll never meet my favorite wrestler
Vic: the only wrestler I ever actually met and talked to was Mick Foley
well
only famous wrestler anyway
heh
that was about 6 years ago
err
no
8 years ago
god damn
time moves fast
it'll be 2010 before you know it
there's alot of guys in the business but not everybody has a love for the business
Hach: yeah, I love it
Vic: WWE should have all of the wrestlers take a shit into a box and mail it to stone cold
Hach: haha.. did u see what the Philly Eagle fans did?
Vic: no
Hach: b/c of all the stuff with T.O. they had a mock funeral and burried all their T.O. stuff
Vic: heh WWE should hold a mock funeral and bury all of Stone Cold's 1997 merchandise
Hach: haha
and have Jake The Snake the minister
Vic: hmm
the women's division is a joke
Hach: yeah, I feel sad for people like Vince.. I mean he couldn't even make it in that division
Vic: you know
every time Vnce accuses somebody like the Ultimate Warrior of being greedy, you look at Vince and you realize he has more money than all of them...and he makes that money off the backs of them
Hach: and there's no retirement plan
and Eddie's wife and kids will get nothing
Vic: that's the saddest thing of all
his little kids are going to grow up without a daddy now
and that makes my stomach churn
Hach: yeah, they're have all their uncles, who will try and be fathers for them, but they never will
Vic: maybe now they'll finally drop this kerwin white garbage now
Hach: yeah, I think that's over
Vic: Those "Eddie and Chavo, they lie, cheat and steal!" promos were about the funniest thing on this earth
Hach: hell yeah
did u listen to this?
Vic: listening now
one sec
well listening to this was a nice waste of 8 minutes
Hach: yeah, just got me pissed off
Vic: who the fuck cares where they write it in the paper, they spend 10 minutes talking about where to write it in the paper
I can't stand seeing people spend large amounts of time discussing small insignificant shit
Hach: and making it blow up, because they disrespect it so much
Vic: right
not everybody is a fan of sports journalism
Hach: not everyone thinks wrestling isn't a sport, hell, name one football player turned wrestler who could do anything of significance?
Vic: yeah
well
sportscasters are loud mouth jerks with opinions and who are usually people who failed miserably at sports or anything else in life so they spend their whole life bashing other people to feel good about themselves
I'm sure most wrestling fans realize that professional wrestling isn't very respected in the mainstream media
Why anybody cares about the mainstream media, I do not know
Hach: true
Vic: My take on the matter is that I like whatever the hell I like, I dont give two fucks whether its "popular" or not
Hach: yeah, it's the fact of the matter.. Say Joe Schmo makes the news because he died, you don't make fun of the fact he has passed on
Vic: it's not cool to talk about the dead
Hach: it's even worse to make fun and make light of them
Vic: I dont even pay attention to the media at all...obviously all the wrestling fans found out about Eddie's death either on tv or through other fans or from a website, they don't sit around waiting for the mainstream media to cover things in wrestling
Hach: yeah, it was media that ruined wrestling in teh first place
Vic: wrestling is a really a performance art...the fans see it as art. Not everybody understands or appreciates that art
Hach: Yeah, it's beyong a sport, it's beyond entertainmant, it really is a form of art.. It's more demanding then any other sport.. in baseball, if you mess up you get an error.. but in wrestling if you mess up, the fans turn on you, they chant "you fucked up" and there's a strong possibility at times you'll never be able to show your face again
Vic: I honestly don't pay much attention to what people in the arenas chant
Hach: Did you notice the chant they started after the ten bell salute?
Vic: has it occurred to you that about 80% of people in the arenas show up for the sole purpose of chanting "we want puppies" during Trish's match
yeah
well I'm just not real big on people chanting things I guess
Hach: well, yeah, that's why WWE has never been one of my favoirtes, but the HBK v. Mysterio match stole the show.. basically Rey stole the night.. yes, it was a night honoring his friends memory, but his match was awesome, his interview was good...
Oh.. well, you never really watched ECW, right?
Vic: yeah that match was good
most of the matches were pretty good in spite of being shortened
Hach: yeah, although they were pretty extended to WWEs rules
Vic: I could spend ten years talking about everything the WWE does wrong but I just don't feel like it anymore
Hach: yeah, i know.. i just feel like it's time to make wrestling more respectable now, and try and turn and get the ratings back up
wow, Monday's RAW scored a 4.5 rating, its highest of the year
Vic: TNA has th right idea, they just need polish
hmm
Hach: yeah
Vic: heh
do you like the ring
Hach: yeah, it's grown on me, took a while
Vic: hmm
Hach: how about you?
Vic: alot of people dont like the ring, or say they cant get used to it
well
the thing is that it changes the ring psychology of a match slightly
thats the way i see it anyway
Hach: yeah, it does.. makes things visable more or less.. and in the same sense, although it's going against my prior statement is that you can have a match significantlly change basic of the deminsions.. and the fact that the ring is six sided, you have two more options of where to climb, and such
Vic: I dont think they should completely get rid of it, but they should have it reserved for special events only, like ppvs
hmm
well its good for the high risk style
or like a battle royale
but for most 1 on 1 matches its a bit awkward
their guys definitely need some work on their promos
Hach: maybe, but it's cool.. i mean, it gives wrestling it's own ring really
Vic: hmm
Hach: true.. the Alpha Male came along way
Vic: as opposed to a boxing ring?
heh
Hach: yeah
Vic: and they got alot of guys who are great wrestlers but who know nothing about marketting
Hach: true.. they just need to work on making it all come together
Vic: right
they got alot of guys running around like chickens with their head cut off but nobody has really come in and grabbed the bull by the horns yet
Hach: true.. hopefully they'll build Raven back up and let him have a run at the world title and keep it for a while
Vic: I rather like Rhino as world champion
a raven vs rhino feud could be interesting
Hach: see that's where I disagree... unlike Raven and what you basically previously mentioned, Rhino has no mic skills
Vic: well
Hach: which should and could be happening
Vic: Rhino did one promo a couple weeks back which wasnt too bad
it was short and sweet
the type of promos i like
no proctology skits
Hach: yeah, i suppose
Vic: the problem with alot of promos, such as in wwe, is that they're not sincere, its the wrestler playing a character and saying lines written by somebody else...when a guy like Rhino does a promo its all straight shooting
Hach: yeah.. that's what TNA is all about.. it's the new rebellion league
Vic: then we've got AJ Styles
probably the greatest athlete, most innovative wrestler alive today...without a lick of character or personality or mic skills
sadly something like that can do you in in wrestling
Hach: hehe.. yeh, he needs a manager
Vic: the key to wrestling is good rivalries
Hach: true
TNA just hasn't been on long enough for u
Vic: and microphones can help out alot in structuring a rivalry
lets say
for example
Hach: that's what Raven is all about.. one of the greatest rivalries ever was Raven v. Dreamer.. for 3 years Dreamer could never beat Raven
Vic: heh
lets say Petey Williams comes out and says he's the fastest rising star in wrestling today and hes going to be the one to take TNA to the promiseland
> then AJ Styles comes out and says no, he's the one
Hach: alright...
Vic: there, you've got a hook for the rivalry
Hach: true
Vic: there's something bigger at stake than titles
Hach: the other thing TNA has a problem with.. is they're end up having say 6 guys ready for the title and then throw them all in a match with the winner gettin gthe title shot.. and then they just discared the others
Vic: and its not custody of Dominic, a date with Stacy, or a a apple pie indian strap
yeah
I dont like really big tag matches, because each guy only gets a little bit of exposure
Hach: true
six man tags are okay though..
Vic: now and then
Hach: yeah
Vic: though i must confess, i am holding out...i want them to bring back the apple pie indian strap match
Hach: hehe
Vic: There's so many possibilities for TNA
Hach: well, im gona head to bed.. and we should do a What If about it sometime
Vic: ok what if they brought back the apple pie indian strap match
Hach: it wasn't excatlly the apple pie indian strap match.. it was the yappai indian strap match
Vic: ah i suppose thats what you get when you try and translate the hulksters ramblings literally