The Scenario
behind of a molecule !!!
El Escenario detras de una molecula !!!
Data-Medicos
Dermagic/Express No. 4-(113)
30 Abril 2.002 / 30 April
EDITORIAL ESPANOL
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Hola amigos de la red, EN ESTA EDICION ESPECIAL DERMAGIC, les ofrece esta interesante
entrevista con UN GERENTE DE VENTAS de un IMPORTANTE laboratorio farmacologico de
Venezuela, quien de una manera muy CLARA nos REVELA el APOCALIPTICO mundo que esta
detras del ESCENARIO DE UNA MOLECULA. Esta NOS PERMITIRA CONOCER Y
COMPRENDER MEJOR la forma como se mueve este mundo molecular que es pertinente a
TODOS nosotros.
Los eventos narrados en esta entrevista FUERON ratificados por tres VISITADORES
MEDICOS
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Realizada en la ofIcina de DERMAGIC/EXPRESS en Marzo 2.002
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- Gerente de Ventas:
Hola Jose, lei tus ultimas publicaciones, la verdad es que han sido tremendos BATACAZOS, dime
hasta cuando sigues con eso ?
- DErmagic:
Es la ultima por ahora, tenia que terminar de contar la historia, ya estoy un poco cansado de eso.
Pero me siento bien pues he brindado un servicio a pacientes y medicos revelando esas verdades.
- Gerente de Ventas:
Se comenta por alli, que recibiste unos millones de un LABORATORIO para que publicaras todo
eso, querian "CONGELAR A SHERING-PLOUGH para comprarlo luego, que hay de verdad en
ello ?
- DErmagic:
No quiero hablar de eso, se ha especulado mucho por alli, PERO te digo que todo inicio
casualmente cuando PENSE hacer la revision de LORATADINA VS DESLORATADINA, me
consegui con el ARTICULO DE PUBLIC CITIZEN y alli estallo la bomba. NO sabia que el
LABORATORIO estaba con esos grandes PROBLEMAS, y yo MONTE LA REVISION, la
verdad no sabia lo que tenia en mis manos.
- Gerente de Ventas:
Dejame decirte que esas publicaciones te hicieron FAMOSO en todo el mundo. Tanto como las
publicaciones netamente dermatologicas.
- DErmagic:
TODO FUE ALGO PERSONAL, pues luego de la primera publicacion empezo un enfrentamiento
que culmino PARA MI, hace dias con la ultima revision, toda una historia donde se revela el mundo
que se mueve alrededor de una MOLECULA.
- Gerente de Ventas:
Dermagic venia publicando articulos de INTERES, EN EL AREA DERMATOLOGICA, pero
cuando te fuistes con las moleculas la gente SE METIO con todo a TU PAGINA. Y de paso te
metiste con un LABORATORIO de gran prestigio nacional e internacional.
- Dermagic:
Hice mal en ello ? o preferias que muriera callado.
- Gerente de Ventas:
No, estuvieron muy buenas, excelentes, de verdad te felicito, no quisiera estar ahora en las botas de
Schering-p. Dime que paso realmente. ?
- DErmagic:
El Laboratorio me LLAMO despues de la segunda publicacion y me dijo que tenia mala intencion,
ESO ME MOLESTO AL MAXIMO. y cargue mis baterias, y me fui con todo. No iba a permitir
que se metieran con EL DERMAGIC.
- Gerente de Ventas:
No te ofrecieron dinero ? para que te detuvieras ? esa es una practica que hacemos CASI TODOS
LOS LABORATORIOS, cuando el mundo se nos pone chiquito, aflojamos billete y aplacamos a
todo el mundo.
- DErmagic:
No, nunca me ofrecieron dinero, yo los invite a mi oficina para que hablaramos sobre sus tres
moleculas con problemas, AULIN (nimesulide), CLARITYNE(loratadina) Y AERIUS
(desloratadina)
- Gerente de Ventas:
Y que paso ?
- Dermagic:
Nunca vinieron. Realmente NO ME INTERESABA que vinieran, queria BOTAR PARA LA RED
TODO LO QUE SABIA sobre esas moleculas y lo logre.
- Gerente de Ventas:
Dejame decirte algo DERMAGIC, estas sentado sobre una montaña de DINERO, lo sabias ???
- Dermagic:
Ah, no creo en eso chico, ya me lo han dicho otro visitadores medicos.
- Gerente de Ventas:
DERMAGIC es muy conocida a nivel mundial, entre PUBLIC CITIZEN, LA FDA Y tu PAGINA
el LABORATORIO perdio mucho. Tuvo que pagarle a la FDA 500 MILLONES DE DOLARES,
segun se comenta para la aprobacion de UNA MOLECULA que ni siquiera se sabe si se va a
vender. Los americanos son muy conservadores y duros cuando se enteran de UNA VERDAD. Se
comprobo que la LORATADINA ES SOLO 50% EFECTIVA, ademas de ello hay unas cuantas
demandas.
- DErmagic:
Y que tiene que ver DERMAGIC con eso ? eso se sabia desde 1.999, cuando public CITIZEN
EMPEZO su bombardeo al laboratorio. yo ESTABA LEJOS en ese tiempo.
- Gerente de Ventas:
Exacto, PERO TUS PUBLICACIONES le dieron la vuelta al planeta y son leidas por mas de
2.000 dermatologos en todo el mundo y media humanidad se entero DE ESE AFFAIR por tu
pagina. y para terminar DEMOSTRASTE QUE LA LORATADINA Y DESLORATADINA son
casi lo mismo, hablaste de SEPRACOR, bueno tu sabes todo eso mejor que yo. Las ventas
cayeron.
- DErmagic:
ok, ok fue un servicio social y humanitario, me gusta la justicia, y que tiene que ver eso con la
montaña de dinero.
- Gerente de Ventas:
Muy sencillo, mientras esas paginas esten montadas en el DERMAGIC el laboratorio seguira
CONGELADO. Pues cada dia segun me has dicho se mete mas gente a tu pagina, eso significa que
CADA DIA QUE PASA, se VENDE MENOS AULIN, CLARITYNE Y AERIUS.
Independientemente de las ESTRATEGIAS DE MERCADEO QUE EL LABORATORIO
DESARROLLE, alli estan las paginas MONUMENTOS A UNA VERDAD que destapo el
DERMAGIC. y el Laboratorio NO PUEDE NI PODRA CONTRA ESO.
- DErmagic:
En serio ?
- Gerente de Ventas:
Te digo que estan CONGELADOS, yo pertenezco a ese MEDIO y se como se mueve todo.
Como vas a vender una MOLECULA tan cuestionada como esas tres Y NO solo a nivel nacional,
LA COSA ES A NIVEL INTERNACIONAL TAMBIEN. Ellos seguiran diciendo que su nivel de
VENTAS es excelente, nunca van a decir que estan HERIDOS de muerte. Un laboratorio estuvo a
punto de comprarlos hace un MES, Y YU SABES CUAL ES.
- DErmagic:
Si, me dieron esa informacion.
- Gerente de Ventas:
LO que quiero decirte con esto es QUE ningun laboratorio VA A COMPRAR O FUSIONARSE
con S-P asi de simple, mientras esten ESAS PAGINAS EN LA RED. Estaria comprando 3
moleculas altamente CUESTIONADAS. Ellos tienen por ley que NEGOCIAR CON
DERMAGIC, PUBLIC CITIZEN Y LA FDA. Y si NO lo hacen tienen todas las de perder.
- DErmagic:
No creo mucho en ello. Ya lo hubieran hecho.
- Gerente de Ventas:
Ya lo hicieron con la FDA, Ellos cometieron 2 GRANDES ERRORES:
PRIMERO, desacreditar a PUBLIC CITIZEN. eso fue fatal para ellos.
SEGUNDO: Subestimaron AL DERMAGIC, nunca pensaron que ibas a llegar HASTA EL
FONDO DE TODO, y eso los mato.
- DErmagic:
Me estas dando la razon, si estan ya congelados, COMO VAN a salir de abajo, tu que pertences a
ese medio dime porque dejaron que TODO llegara hasta el FINAL.
- Gerente de Ventas:
Tu me lo dijiste, te las ingeniaste para mantenerlos LEJOS MIENTRAS tirabas CADA MES UNA
REVISION haciendoles creer que era la ultima.
- DErmagic:
Me ayudo una chica en todo ello. Si la montaña de dinero llega, parte le pertenece. Pero dime que
hubieses hecho tu como GERENTE de un laboratorio. ?
- Gerente de Ventas:
Te hubiese CALLADO LA BOCA.
- Dermagic:
Con amenazas ?
- Gerente de Ventas:
No Jose, eso de las amenazas que me contaste NO ES CIERTO, los laboratorios NO JUEGAN
ASI, alguien DESESPERADO DEJO COLAR esa informacion para ver si te detenias, pero me
parecio RIDICULO, por eso vine a hablar contigo. Para que siguieras tu camino.
- DErmagic:
O sea que a ti te gusta tambien, te gustaron mis revisiones.
- Gerente de Ventas:
Excelentes, nos benefician.
- DErmagic:
Y ENTONCES cual es el juego de LOS LABORATORIOS ?
- Gerente de Ventas:
EL DINERO mi hermano, ya te lo dije. Dejame contarte esto: Mi laboratorio PAGA A CIERTOS
MEDICOS para que le saquen sus productos un porcentaje de ganancias MENSUALES o anuales,
Y TE HABLO DE MILLONES. Pagamos CONGRESOS, viajes, etc, etc, CON LA SOLA
FINALIDAD que nos prescriban el producto, ESO SE HACE EN TODO EL MUNDO Y
TODOS LOS PAISES, nosotros movemos el billete.
- DErmagic:
Eso ya lo sabia, otro visitador me lo habia COMENTADO. Que esas practicas se hacen en
CARACAS, MARACAY, VALENCIA Y MARACAIBO. Aun la molecula tenga problemas. ?
- Gerente de Ventas:
Lo unico que nos interesa es QUE SE VENDA la molecula Y PUNTO final, suena algo cruel, pero
esa es nuestra mision, vender, y si hay problemas LOS TAPAMOS CON DINERO Y YA.
- DErmagic:
Estoy impresionado.
- Gerente de Ventas:
Asi es mi querido DOCTOR, asi nos movemos. Probablemente el LABORATORIO NO SE
MANIFESTO CONTIGO POR TEMOR A QUE TU SE LO PUBLICASES en EL
DERMAGIC, realmente te tienen respeto, yo diria que miedo a acercarse a ti, pues te consideran el
PUBLIC CITEZEN Y LA FDA Venezolana y latinoamericana. Tu pagina es mas famosa que la DE
LA SOCIEDAD VENEZOLANA DE DERMATOLOGIA. Eres el unico Venezolano
DERMATOLOGO que es leido hasta en los paises Arabes, te parece poco ?
- DErmagic:
ok, ok, Ni tanto, solo hago lo que siento y pienso debo hacer. Pero estoy de acuerdo contigo.
ELLOS cometieron grandes errores Y UNO DE ELLOS fue no venir a HABLAR CONMIGO.
- Gerente de Ventas:
A lo mejor te hubiesesn regalado un CARRO o una CASA o unos MILLONES y tu los hubieses
agarrado, y LES HUBIERA SALIDO mas barato que la MILLONADA QUE ESTAN
GASTANDO ahora en " levantar " esas moleculas. Hoy dia todo es diferente.
- DErmagic:
y SI les hubiese dicho que NO.
- Gerente de Ventas:
Todos en esta vida tenemos precio DERMAGIC, te hubiesen ofrecido algo bien TENTADOR que
te aseguro habrias agarrado sin pensarlo dos veces.
- DErmagic:
Tienes razon, y que crees que pase ahora ?
- Gerente de Ventas:
Te lo voy a PINTAR DE ESTA MANERA:
Si yo quiero seguir vendiendo mis MOLECULAS y veo que hay algo que me esta obstaculizando.
Resuelvo, por ello te REPITO van a negociar con DERMAGIC. Y si el laboratorio es comprado
por otro, tambien DEBEN NEGOCIAR, no les INTERESA QUE ESAS PAGINAS ESTEN
MONTADAS EN LA RED. y si persisten en su obstinacion de NO NEGOCIAR estan quebrados,
asi de simple.
- DErmagic:
Y entonces porque han esperado tanto. ??
- Gerente de Ventas:
Porque tienen MALA GERENCIA,POR NO DECIR otra palabra, y ademas probablemente se
fijaron como PUNTO DE HONOR no darte ni un centavo, lo cual me parece RIDICULO,
nosotros ya hubiesemos movido NUESTRO DINERO y nos hubiesemos evitado semejante LIO.
-DErmagic:
Y entonces. ?
- Gerente de Ventas:
Otro error mas, mientras mas tiempo dejen pasar mas perdidas tendran. Quiza tmbien esten
esperando una desicion de ESTADOS UNIDOS, QUIEN al final es quien dice que debe hacerse,
pero te digo que para mi fue un ERROR ESTRATEGICO y OPERACIONAL.
- DErmagic:
Dejame decirte que yo jamas ni nunca pense cuando inicie estas revisiones COMO SE MOVIA EL
DINERO DETRAS DE UNA MOLECULA, ni pense en montañas de DINERO, ni en todo lo que
esto traeria, ni en lo que me estas diciendo. Otro Visitador hace unos meses si me habia dicho algo
de lo que tu me has comentado hoy, y estoy abriendo los ojos realmente.
- Visitador medico:
Quedate tranquilo DERMAGIC, y dejalos con su problema, al fin y al cabo, ELLOS son los
responsables directos de TODO LO QUE LES PASO. Tu fuiste un portavoz nacional y mundial,
mas nada.
- DErmagic:
Si tu fueses a negociar con DERMAGIC, como lo harias ?
- Gerente de Ventas:
Te compro la pagina y te hago firmar un convenio donde JAMAS NI NUNCA PODRAS meterte
con MI LABORATORIO NI MIS MOLECULAS. Ni puedes divulgar la COMPRA. Todo en el
mas absoluto secreto.
- DErmagic:
en otras palabras, adios DERMAGIC ?
- Gerente de Ventas:
Adios DErmagic, Con la " bola" de dinero que te daria, vale la pena decirle adios AL
DERMAGIC.
- DErmagic:
Cuanto ofrecerias ???
- Gerente de Ventas:
Te voy a decir algo porque te aprecio DERMAGIC, TU PAGINA vale hoy dia mas de 10 millones
de dolares.
- DErmagic:
Estas loco, ?? porque tanto. ?
- Gerente de Ventas:
Comparalos con los 500 millones de dolares que la van a pagar a la FDA, no es nada
DERMAGIC, y tu trabajo de divulgacion FUE MEJOR QUE EL DE LA FDA MISMA.
Comparalos con la MILLONADA DE DOLARES que estan gastando para sacar a FLOTE sus
moleculas, NO ES NADA MI AMIGO. Yo SE mejor que tu la CANTIDAD DE DINERO que
mueve un laboratorio porque estoy dentro de el, y si te digo que es asi creelo. Recuerda tambien
que alli hay revisiones sobre otras MOLECULAS que son unas JOYAS Y VALEN ORO PURO.
- DErmagic:
Me dejas impresionado.
- Gerente de Ventas:
NO te emociones, quiza nunca se de eso, hay que tener un poco de suerte, o que el
LABORATORIO QUE COMPRE A S-P, quiera negociar con el DERMAGIC, que a mi sano
entender deberia hacerlo.
- DErmagic:
En eso estoy bien claro, no creo en fantasias, SOLO en hechos reales, me siento satisfecho por la
labor cumplida y veremos que pasa. Gracias por suministrarme TANTA INFORMACION de
veras te lo agradezco. Como puedo agradecerte tanto ?
- Gerente de Ventas:
No te olvides de prescribir mis moleculas !
- DErmagic:
ok, ok, tu moleculas estan bien ubicadas, y subiendo como la espuma.
- Gerente de Ventas:
Ese fue otro de sus grande errores, tu estas ENTRE LOS TRES PRIMEROS DEL estado Aragua
como prescriptor de MOLECULAS, como se la va a ocurrir a un laboratorio ABANDONARTE,
o enfrentarse con EL DERMAGIC, que tanta fama ha agarrado, hay que estar definitivamente
locos.
- Gerente de Ventas:
Estas dispuesto a negociar DErmagic ?
- DErmagic:
Ya veremos que se traen, quien lo trae y Como lo traen.
- Gerente de Ventas:
Te voy a dar un consejo, dejalos que hablen, NO LES PIDAS NADA, escuchalos y NO FIRMES
NADA QUE TE IMPIDA IR DE NUEVO A LA RED, de modo que puedas seguir con tus
publicaciones pero cumpliendo con el ACUERDO de no HABLAR del LABORATORIO Y SUS
MOLECULAS.
- DErmagic:
Y tu todavia crees en eso ?
- Gerente de Ventas:
Este es mi MUNDO Y LO CONOZCO MEJOR que tu DERMAGIC, mi laboratorio ya ha
silenciado cosas que no le convienen CON DINERO POR DELANTE ok. Que la situacion SE
REALIZE EN MODO DIFERENTE, porque tienen otra estrategia ya depende de ellos, pero la
mayoria SE MUEVE DE ESA MANERA. NO viste que hasta en el senado Nortemericano fueron
a parar los dolares de S-P, para extender la patende del Clarityne, gastaron unos MILLONES Y
SE GANARON BILLONES con esa jugadita.
- DErmagic:
Si tienes razon, es un mundo duro y despiadado, sobrevive el mas fuerte.
- Gerente de Ventas:
Y que vas a hacer con EL CELEBREX de Pfizer y el VIOXX de Merck ?
- DErmagic:
Los voy a dejar tranquilos, POR AHORA, no porque sus MOLECULAS sean una maravilla, YA
REVELE SUS PROBLEMAS. Por cierto, desde la publicacion al CELEBREX Y VIOXX,
dejaron de visitarme estos laboratorios, LO CUAL me tiene sin cuidado.
- Gerente de Ventas:
Dejame decirte algo, los LABORATORIOS A VECES SE PONEN DE ACUERDO PARA
VETAR a tal o cual MEDICO que les esta provocando problemas, NOSOTROS EN EL
PASADO LO HICIMOS y llegamos a la conclusion de que esa PRACTICA no era NADA
ETICA y saliamos perdiendo. Probablemente algunos LABORATORIOS te esten vetando
para ver si bajas la guardia. A mi modo de ver las cosas me parece ESTUPIDO ESO DEL VETO,
al final quien pierde es EL LABORATORIO.
- DErmagic:
Yo vete al laboratorio S-P aqui en mi oficina, y no prescribo ningun producto de ellos, han perdido
una millonada conmigo, y lo hice porque NO FUERON NADA ETICOS CONMIGO.
- Gerente de Ventas:
Lo sabemos DERMAGIC, eso ya lo sabemos, nosotros sabemos que moleculas mueven los
medicos y cuales no, pues tenemos dispositivos para controlarlos en las farmacias.
- DErmagic:
Si, ya otro visitador me habia comentado eso, a la final terminamos produciendole UNA
MILLONADA A UN LABORATORIO ANUALMENTE y vienen a ofrecernos UNA TRISTE
INVITACION A UN CONGRESO. Yo prescribo la molecula porque es BUENA Y PUNTO no
ando pensando en recompensas. Pero el caso S-P es diferente.
- Gerente de Ventas:
No te preocupes DERMAGIC, ellos son los que estan REVENTADOS, dejalos tranquilos. Por alli
viene la montaña, no la dejes escapar.
- DErmagic:
ok, ok, te hare caso.
- Gerente de Ventas:
Me entere por alli, que algunos visitadores te piden no hables de sus moleculas, es cierto ?
- DErmagic:
Si, totalmente.
- Gerente de Ventas:
La molecula Aulin (nimesulide) ha caido en ventas drasticamente, LO SABIAS ???, y el
DERMAGIC ha sido determinante.
- DErmagic:
La gente de S-P sabe lo problematica que es esa molecula. Y lo mas indignante del asunto es que
ELLOS saben que su molecula tiene problemas y se hacen los locos.
- Gerente de Ventas:
EScuchame DERMAGIC, todo visitador que entra por esa PUERTA, sabe todo los detalles de su
molecula BUENOS Y MALOS, simplemente no te DICE LOS MALOS porque lo unico que le
INTERESA ES QUE LE VENDAS EL PRODUCTO.
- DErmagic:
Si, ya lo se, lo aprendi con estas revisiones. Sabes que no TOLERO DE UN VISITADOR
MEDICO, que me diga mentiras SOBRE SU PRODUCTO, si las descubro y se que me ha
engañado, que se prepare, porque lo reviento CON una REVISION MAGISTRAL sobre la
MOLECULA, yo creo que eso fue lo que paso con S-P. LES DESCUBRI los problemas, y para
culminar la obra me dijeron " mal intencionado ". Caballero, alli PUBLIC CITIZEN Y DERMAGIC
enfilaron TODA LA ARTILERIA, ya sabes los resultados.
- Gerente de Ventas:
Cual es el futuro de DErmagic ?
- DErmagic:
Seguir en la misma linea, EL DERMAGIC ya hizo fama y debe brindar buenas revisiones y asi
seguira. DE nuevo te agradezco los datos aportados. Por cierto tengo ganas de PUBLICAR esta
conversacion, puedo ???
- Gerente de Ventas:
Hazlo, yo dentro de poco me voy de este MUNDO DE MEDICINAS, eso si, no menciones mi
nombre. Te comente todo esto porque en el fondo queria que lo publicaras, para que muchos
medicos JOVENES sepan como son manipulados por LOS LABORATORIOS, para que los
pacientes se enteren EL MUNDO QUE RODEA A UNA MOLECULA, y a la final mi hermano,
EL DINERO ES LO QUE MUEVE TODO.
- DErmagic:
Gracias, nos veremos de nuevo en otra ocasion ?
- Gerente de Ventas:
Si, despues que publiques esto. Que nombre le pondras ?
- DErmagic:
No se ya vere que se me ocurre.
- Gerente de Ventas:
Cuidate DERMAGIC, que mucha gente te aprecia, mas de lo que tu te imaginas.
- DErmagic:
ok, ok, lo hare. bye.
Dr Jose Lapenta R
EDITORIAL ENGLISH
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Hello friends of the net, IN THIS SPECIAL EDITION DERMAGIC, offers you this interesting
interview with A MANAGER OF SALES of a IMPORTANT pharmacological laboratory of
Venezuela who REVEALS us the APOCALYPTIC world in a very CLEAR way that is behind the
SCENARIO OF A MOLECULE. This it will ALLOW US to KNOW AND to UNDERSTAND
the form BETTER like he moves this molecular world that is pertinent to ALL us.
The events narrated in this interview were ratified by three MEDICAL VISITORS !!!
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Carried out in the office of DERMAGIC/EXPRESS in March 2.002
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- Manager of sales:
Hello José, did I read your last publications, is the truth that they have been tremendous BUMPS,
tell me until when you continue with that?
- DErmagic:
It is the last one for the time being, I had to finish counting the history, I am already a little tired of
that. But I feel well very since I have offered a service to patient and doctors revealing those truths.
- Manager of sales:
Is it commented over there that you received some millions of a LABORATORY so that you
published all that, they wanted to FREEZE TO SHERING-PLOUGH to buy it then, that there is
really in it?
- DErmagic:
I don't want to speak of that, it has been speculated much over there, BUT I tell you that all
beginning accidentally when I PLANNED to make the revision of LORATADINE VS
DESLORATADINE, I got myself with the I ARTICLE OF PUBLIC CITIZEN and there I explode
the bomb. I didn't know that the LABORATORY was with those big PROBLEMS, and I MOUNT
THE REVISION, I didn't know the truth what had in my hands.
- Manager of sales:
Allow me to tell you that those publications made you FAMOUS in the entire world. As much as the
publications dermatologics.
- DErmagic:
EVERY TIME was SOMETHING PERSONAL, because after the first publication a confrontation
that I culminate FOR MY, began days ago with the last revision, an entire history where the world is
revealed that moves around a MOLECULE.
- Manager of sales:
Dermagic leave publishing articles of INTEREST, IN THE DERMATOLOGIC AREA, but when
you GO with the molecules people ENTERED with everything to YOUR WEB SITE. And ELSE
you entered with a LABORATORY of great national and international prestige.
- Dermagic:
Did I make bad in it? or you preferred him to die quiet.
- Manager of sales:
No, they were very good, excellent, I really congratulate you, I didn't want to be now in the boots of
Schering-p. Tell me that I really happen. ?
- DErmagic:
The Laboratory CALLS myself after the second publication and he told me that I had " bad
intention" , THAT BOTHERS MYSELF TO THE MAXIMUM. and load my batteries, and I left
with everything. It won't allow them to HIT THE DERMAGIC.
- Manager of sales:
Didn't they offer you money? so that you stopped? that is one the practices that we ALMOST make
ALL THE LABORATORIES, when the world is put tiny, We TAKE OUT THE MONEY and we
appease everybody.
- DErmagic:
No, they never offered me money, I invite them to my office so that we talked about their three
molecules with problems, AULIN (nimesulide), CLARITIN (loratadine) AND
AERIUS-CLARINEX (desloratadine)
- Manager of sales:
And what I happen?
- DEermagic:
They never came. I really WAS NOT INTERESTED that they came, I wanted To THROW FOR
THE NET ALL THAT I KNEW on those molecules and I achieve it.
- Manager of sales:
Do allow me to tell you something DERMAGIC, YOU ARE seated one on a mountain of
MONEY, Did you KNOW THIS????
- DErmagic:
Ah, doesn't believe in that boy, another medical visitors have already told it to me.
- Manager of sales:
DERMAGIC is very well-known at world level, among PUBLIC CITIZEN, THE FDA AND your
WEB SITE the LABORATORY it lost a lot. He had to pay to the FDA 500 MILLION
DOLLARS for the approval of A MOLECULE that some people comments himself that is not even
known if he will sell. The Americans are very conservative and hard when they find out A TRUTH.
He was proven that the LORATADINE is SINGLE 50 % EFFECTIVE, besides there is it some
how many demands.
- DErmagic:
And What he has to do DERMAGIC with that? Since 1.999, when public CITIZEN their bombing
BEGAN to the laboratory. I was FAR in that time.
- Manager of sales:
Exact, BUT YOUR PUBLICATIONS gave AROUND to the planet and they are read for but of
2.000 dermatologist in the entire world and half humanity knew OF THAT AFFAIR for your WEB
site. and to finish you DEMONSTRATED THAT THE LORATADINE AND
DESLORATADINE are almost the same thing, you spoke of SEPRACOR, you know all that
better than me. The sales fell.
- DErmagic:
ok, ok was a social and humanitarian service, I like justice, and what it has to do with the mountain
of money. ???
- Manager of sales:
Very simple, while those your REVISIONS they are mounted in the DERMAGIC WEB the
laboratory it will continue FROZEN. Because every day as you have told me he enters but people to
your WEB SITE, that means that EVERY DAY THAT HAPPENS, it is SOLD LESS
AULIN(nimesulide), CLARITIN(loratadine) AND AERIUS-CLARINEX(desloratadine).
Independently of the STRATEGIES OF MARKETING THAT THE LABORATORY
DEVELOPS, they are THE REVISIONS MONUMENTS TO A TRUTH that I uncover the
DERMAGIC. and the Laboratory IS NOT ABLE TO DO SOMETHING AGAINST THAT.
- DErmagic:
Seriously?
- Manager of sales:
I tell you that they are FROZEN, I belong to that world and know how everything moves. How you
will sell a MOLECULE so questioned as the three mentioned ones, AND NOT alone at national
level, THE THING is ALSO AT INTERNATIONAL LEVEL. They will continue saying that their
level of SALES is excellent, they will never say that they are WOUNDED of death. A laboratory
was about to buy them one MONTH ago, AND YU you KNOW WHICH is.
- DErmagic:
Yes, some people gave me that information.
- Manager of sales:
What I try to say to you is THAT ANY laboratory will BUY OR to FUSE simple with the S-P lab,
while they are THOSE PAGES IN THE DERMAGIC NET. He would be buying 3 highly
QUESTIONED molecules. They have "for law" that to NEGOTIATE WITH DERMAGIC,
PUBLIC CITIZEN AND THE FDA. And if they don't make it they have a LOT to lose.
- DErmagic:
I don't believe a lot in it. They had already made it.
- Manager of sales:
They already made it with the FDA, They made 2 BIG ERRORS:
FIRST, to discredit PUBLIC CITIZEN. That was fatal for them.
SECOND: They underestimated THE DERMAGIC, they never thought that you will arrive UNTIL
THE BOTTOM OF EVERYTHING, and that kills them.
- DErmagic:
you are giving to me the reason, if they are already frozen, HOW they will leave the bottom, ?? you
that belong to that WORLD tell me because they let that EVERYTHING arrived until the END.
???
- Manager of sales:
You told it to me, you managed them to maintain them FAR WHILE you threw EVERY MONTH
A REVISION making them believe that it was the LAST ONE.
- DErmagic:
I help myself a girl in everything it. If the mountain of money arrives, some belongs to her. But tell me
what has made you as MANAGER of a laboratory. ?
- Manager of sales:
I SHUT-DOWN YOUR MOUTH. !!!
- DErmagic:
With threats?
- Manager of sales:
No José, that of the threats that you counted me IS NOT truth, the laboratories don't PLAY THIS
WAY, somebody DESPERATE I allow to "fall" that information to see if you stopped, but I found
RIDICULOUS, for that reason I came to speak with you. So that you followed your road.
- DErmagic:
That is to say that you also like it, you liked my revisions.
- Manager of sales:
Excellent, they benefit us.
- DErmagic:
And THEN which the game of THE LABORATORIES is?
- Manager of sales:
THE MONEY my brother, I already told it to you. Allow me to say this: My laboratory PAYS TO
SOME DOCTORS so that they prescribe out OUR products and has a percentage of MONTHLY
or annual earnings, AND I SPEAK to YOU OF MILLIONS. We pay CONGRESSES, trips, etc,
etc, WITH THE SINGLE PURPOSE that they prescribe us the product, THAT is MADE in the
entire world AND ALL THE COUNTRIES, we move the note.
- DErmagic:
I already knew that, another visitor had COMMENTED it to me. That these procedures are
practiced in CARACAS, MARACAY, VALENCIA AND MARACAIBO countries, even the
molecule has problems. ?
- Manager of sales:
The only thing that interests us is THAT YOU PRESCRIBE the molecule AND "end" POINT,
sounds something cruel, but that is our mission, to sell, and if there are problems we COVER THEM
WITH MONEY AND "END".
- DErmagic:
I am impressed.
- Manager of sales:
That is the way my dear DOCTOR, we move this way. Probably the LABORATORY doesn't
SHOW WITH YOU fearing THAT YOUR PUBLISHES IT to him in THE DERMAGIC, they
really have you respect, I would say that fear to come closer to you, because consider you the
PUBLIC CITiZEN AND THE Venezuelan and Latin American FDA. Your PAGE it is but famous
than OF THE VENEZUELAN SOCIETY OF DERMATOLOGY. You Are the only Venezuelan
DERMATOLOGIST that is read until in the Arab countries, do you find it a little?
- DErmagic:
ok, ok, Neither so much, alone I make what I think I should make. But I agree with you. THEY
made big errors AND ONE OF THEM went to not come to SPEAK WITH ME.
- Manager of sales:
Perhaps has given you a CAR or a HOUSE or some MILLIONS and you has grabbed, and it had
LEFT THEM but cheap that the MILLIONS THAT are SPENDING now in "lifting" those
molecules. Nowadays everything is different.
- DErmagic:
and IF I has told them that NOT.
- Manager of sales:
All in this life have price DERMAGIC, has offered you something very TEMPTING that assure you
would have grabbed without thinking it twice.
- DErmagic:
You are right, and that you believe that it happens now?
-Manager of sales:
I will PAINT it THIS WAY:
If I want to continue selling my MOLECULES and I see that there is something that me is blocking.
I solve, for I REPEAT you to it they will negotiate with DERMAGIC. And if the laboratory is
bought for other, they should also NEGOTIATE, it doesn't INTEREST them THAT THOSE
PAGES they are MOUNTED IN THE NET. And if they persist in their obstinacy of NOT
NEGOTIATING they are broken, that simple.
- DErmagic:
And then because they have waited so much. ??
- Manager of sales:
Because they have BAD ADMINISTRATION, to not SAY another word, and they also noticed
probably as POINT OF HONOR to not give you neither a cent, that which I find RIDICULOUS,
we have already moved OUR MONEY and has avoided TREMENDOUS PROBLEM.
-DErmagic:
And then. ?
- Manager of sales:
Another error but, while but time allows to happen but lost they will have. Also is maybe waiting a
desicion of UNITED STATES WHO is at the end who says that it should be made, but I tell you
that I think it is a STRATEGIC AND OPERATIONAL error.
- DErmagic:
Allow me to tell you that me never neither I never thought when I begins these revisions LIKE THE
MONEY MOVED BEHIND OF A MOLECULE, neither I thought of mountains of MONEY,
neither in all that this would bring, neither in what you are saying to me. Another Visitor some months
ago he had told me something of that that you have commented me today, and I am really opening
the eyes.
- Manager of sales:
Stay calm DERMAGIC, and leave them with their problem, after all, THEY are the responsible
ones direct of ALL THAT I PASS THEM. Your you were a national and world spokesman, but
anything.
- DErmagic:
If your will negotiate with DERMAGIC, how you would make it?
- Manager of sales:
I buy you the DERMAGIC and I make you sign an agreement where NEVER NEITHER NEVER
You would NEVER SPEAK about MY LABORATORY NEITHER MY MOLECULES. Neither
you can disclose the PURCHASE. Everything in the absolute secret.
- DErmagic:
in other words, good-bye DERMAGIC?
- Manager of sales:
Good-bye DErmagic, With the " ball " of money that would give you, is worthwhile to say good-bye
TO THE DERMAGIC.
- DErmagic:
How MUCH money Would you offer???
- Manager of sales:
I will tell you something because I appreciate you DERMAGIC, YOUR PAGE HAS An
APPROXIMATE COST OF but of 10 million dollars.
- DErmagic:
These crazy one, because so much. ?
- Manager of sales:
Compare them with the 500 million dollars that will pay it to the FDA, it is not anything
DERMAGIC, and your popularization work was better than THAT OF THE SAME FDA.
Compare them with the MILLIONS OF DOLLARS that are spending to take out to "FLOATS"
their molecules, it IS NOT ANYTHING MY FRIEND. I KNOW better than you the
QUANTITY OF MONEY that moves a laboratory because I am inside, and if I tell you that it is the
price, believe this way ok. I also remembers that there are revisions on other MOLECULES that
are some JEWELS AND they are PURE GOLD.
- DErmagic:
You leave me impressed.
- Manager of sales:
Be not moved, maybe never you see that, you have to need some luck, or that the LABORATORY
THAT BUYS TO S-P, want to negotiate with the DERMAGIC, that to my healthy one to
understand should make it.
- DErmagic:
In that way I am very clear, I don't believe in fantasies, ALONE in real facts, I am satisfied by the
fulfilled work and we will see what it happens. Thank you to give me seriously SO MUCH
INFORMATION thank it to you. How I can be appreciated so much?
- Manager of sales:
Don't forget to prescribe my molecules!
- DErmagic:
ok, ok, your molecules are well located, and ascending as it foam it.
- Manager of sales:
That was another of their big errors, your ARE AMONG THE FIRST THREE OF THE Aragua
state like salesperson of the MOLECULES. How them they did think to a laboratory GIVE AWAY
to you ?, or to face with THE DERMAGIC that so much fame has grabbed, it is necessary to be
definitively crazy.
- Manager of sales:
Are you prepared to negotiate DErmagic ?
- DErmagic:
We will already see that they are brought, who brings it and how they bring it.
- Manager of sales:
I will give you an advice, leave them that speak, don't REQUEST THEM ANYTHING, listen to
them and don't SIGN ANYTHING THAT he PREVENTS to LEAVE you AGAIN TO THE
NET, so that you can continue with your publications but fulfilling the AGREEMENT of NOT
SPEAKING of the LABORATORY AND THEIR MOLECULES.
- DErmagic:
And does your still believe in that?
- Manager of sales:
This is my WORLD AND I KNOW IT better than your DERMAGIC, my laboratory has already
silenced things that he doesn't need WITH MONEY FOR BEFORE ok. That the situation
REALIZE IN DIFFERENT WAY, because they have another strategy it already depends on them,
but most MOVES IN THAT WAY. You didn't saw that until in the Nortemerican senate went to
stop the dollars of S-P, to extend the patent of the Claritin, they spent some MILLIONS AND
TRILLIONS were WON with that play.
- DErmagic:
Yes you are right, it is a hard and merciless world, the survives but strong.
- Manager of sales:
And what you will do with THE CELEBREX of Pfizer and the VIOXX of Merck?
- DErmagic:
I will leave them calm, not because their MOLECULES are a marvel, ALREADY REVEAL
THEIR PROBLEMS, but I won't continue throwing firewood to the candle. By the way, from the
publication to the CELEBREX AND VIOXX, they stopped to visit me these laboratories, THAT
WHICH has me without care.
- Manager of sales:
Allow me to tell you something, the LABORATORIES sometimes COME TO AN AGREEMENT
to VETO to some DOCTORS THAT they are CAUSING problems, WE IN THE PAST MADE
IT and we reach the conclusion that that PRACTICES it was not ANYTHING ETHICS and we
losing. Some LABORATORIES are probably vetoing you
to see if you "lower" the watch. To my way of seeing the things finds me STUPID THAT OF THE
VETO, at the end who loses is THE LABORATORY.
- DErmagic:
I made a veto to the laboratory S-P here in my office, and I don't prescribe any product of them,
they have lost a millions with me, and I made it because they WERE NOT ANYTHING ETHICAL
WITH ME.
- Manager of sales:
We know it DERMAGIC, that already knows it, we know that molecules move the doctors and
which not, because we have devices to control them in the pharmacies.
- DErmagic:
Yes, another visitor had already commented me that, to the final one we finish producing him A
MILLIONS TO A LABORATORY ANNUALLY and they come to offer A SAD INVITATION
TO A CONGRESS. I prescribe the molecule because it is GOOD AND "end" POINT, I am not
thinking in recompenses. But the case S-P is different.
- Manager of sales:
Don't worry DERMAGIC, they are those that are EXPLODED, leave them calm. Over there the
mountain comes, don't allow it to escape.
- DErmagic:
ok, ok, I will pay you attention, but if he doesn't come, I will continue with my social, ACADEMIC
and humanitarian work that fills me a lot, I can make a pact with A LABORATORY, to make an
agreement, BUT I will never stop to LEAVE TO THE NET. so you can clear on that.
- Manager of sales:
And the only pact DERMAGIC, CALLS MONEY, you don't forget that ok. Do let Me find out
over there that some visitors request you that don't speak of their molecules, is that truth ?
- DErmagic:
Yes, totally.
- Manager of sales:
The molecule Aulin (nimesulide) has he fallen drastically in sales, did you know that ??, and has the
DERMAGIC been decisive.
- DErmagic:
People of S-P know the problematic thing that he is that molecule. And him but revolting of the
matter it is that THEY know that their molecule has problems and the lunatics are made.
- Manager of sales:
Listen to me DERMAGIC, all visitor that enters for that DOOR, knows the whole details of his
GOOD AND BAD molecule, he doesn't simply TELL you THE BAD because the only thing that
INTERESTS him is THAT you BLINDFOLD HIM THE PRODUCT.
- DErmagic:
Yes, already agree with you, I learned it with these revisions. You know that I don't TOLERATE
OF A VISITOR, that she/he tells me lies ON THEIR PRODUCT, if I discover them I explode it
WITH a MASTERFUL REVISION on the MOLECULE, I believe that was I pass with S-P. I
DISCOVERED THEM the problems, and to culminate the work they told me that I have "bad
intention". Gentleman, then PUBLIC CITIZEN AND DERMAGIC they took out THE whole
ARTILLERY, you already know the results.
- Manager of sales:
Which the future of DErmagic is?
- DErmagic:
To continue in the same one lines, THE DERMAGIC already made fame and it should offer good
revisions and it will continue in this way. New thanks you the contributed data. By the way I do want
to PUBLISH this conversation, am I able to???
- Manager of sales:
Make it, I am going to leave this WORLD OF MEDICINES, so that, don't mention my name.
Comments you all this because in the bottom I wanted that you published it, so that many YOUNG
doctors know like they are manipulated by THE LABORATORIES, so that the patients find out
THE WORLD THAT SURROUNDS TO A MOLECULE, and to the final one my brother, THE
MONEY is WHAT MOVES EVERYTHING.
- DErmagic:
Thank you, will we see each other again in another occasion?
- Manager of sales:
Yeas, after you publish this. what names him will you put?
- DErmagic:
Not one for now, I will already see what I happen.
- Manager of sales:
Take care DERMAGIC that a lot of people appreciate you, but of that you can imagine.
- DErmagic:
ok, ok, I will make it. bye.
Dr José Lapenta R.
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DATA-MEDICOS/DERMAGIC-EXPRESS No 4-(113) 30/04/2.002 DR. JOSE
LAPENTA R.
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