For we have crossed many oceans
And we labor in between
In life there are many quotients
And I hope I find the mean

One Background 3:00-3:20 You'll always be the one? Please tell me if you have any info on what the backgroung music is saying.

A Creed fan submitted this bit of information.
In my Album Art section and most fansites Album Art has a slightly different Weathered cover than the one at Creed.com. "pretty weird" isn't it? The one at Creed.com is the same as the one on my copy of the CD. Maybe someone played around with an image and it spread. There are many possibilities so i'll just let you think about it. On what I will call the real cover Mark Tremonti is facing his left. On the fake he is more forward, has a big gash in his face and appears to have a mustashe. At least thats what I think about it. Thanks again for the information Creed fan.

"Hey, did you notice that the face of the old man from the my sacrifice video is in the sun too on the front on the weathered cover, just above the Creed crest?" Lisa thanks for this info. No I never noticed.
"One more thing, on www.creed.com under rare tracks, there is a mirror image of the hand holding the clock from human clay.
Not sure what this means, but mirror images seem to appear several places (like the combination lock on MOP)." I new this already, but didn't think it was a clue.
Just incase though thanks Lisa for this cool info.

H i d d e n S t u f f from "What if this is the End?"

Hidden Stuff?. Read through this section. Then do it again. A long time back on the www.creed.com Bulletin Board. There was a 300 post thread (Huge in those days). The thread which a lot of people contributed to asked a lot of weird questions. I didn't catch on for a bit. Then I went through and read every single post. (300+). Bleary eyed I was.. but I was also amazed at what I just read. I tried not to read into things too much. But I couldn't help but notice things were popping up constantly. These were; A TIME, A PLACE, AN EXACT LOCATION (INCOMPLETE). What did this all mean. This mystery involves BOTH of Creeds CD's in which artwork was done by Mark Tremonti's brother. So there is a connection. I believe there is something waiting to be discovered and the code will be cracked by some True Creed fan out there. What we have so far- A PLACE, AN EXACT LOCATION (INCOMPLETE) -On Human Clay (the USA version). You will find a set of numbers on the inlay of the CD booklet. I've heard people say that the coordinates lead to the picture of the crossroads on the front cover. Then A creed fan off the bb said he'd used some site on the net to enter coordinates and find the crossroads. I searched for ages before I came across this link Microsoft TerraServer earlier research lead me to lead me to the same place the fan on the bb had gone to. Tallahassee FL N30.4450 W084.2817 N30 27' W084 17' You'll notice that those true coordinates are written out slightly differently. So the question arose. How to interpret the coordinates found on the Human Clay Cover The TerraServer site. Asked for a degree North and West. Then Minutes/Seconds. If entered As seen. (14 as minutes and ?.7 as seconds). You should come across a huge Area 38km SE of Tallahassee on which many crossroads can be seen. You might have to span the map over a bit to see what is in the Aerial Photo image below. Of course this is now very open. It could be anywhere. So if entered differently. The location is THE OCEAN!!?. What significance could that have?. The 3rd possibility is obvious. What is ?.7 and ?.4 The numbers are Incomplete. When entering coordinates. The more numbers you have the better. That will mean the location is narrowed down. Perhaps Other clues are to be found.

N30� 14' ?.7 W084� 00' ?.4

What we are finding are more questions and no answers. What numbers lie behind ?.4 and ?.7 Are the coordinates of latitude/longitude In fact coordinates to the crossroads?. As I've said. When entered exact. A Certain crossroad doesn't stand out. Awhile back in a Radio interview. Mark was rumored to say that They buried My Own Prison recording equipment somewhere outside of Tallahassee. Maybe its not crossroads we are looking for?. What ever it is that lies at this mysterious location. We know one thing. We are looking for A PLACE.

-- Notice the clocks found all over the entire Human Clay CD?. Apparently they are all pointing the the time when Scott Stapp's son Jagger was born!. I cant help but notice The clock on the front cover pointing to a different time from all the others. You can clearly see one hand on the 5 and you see the numbers 11, 12, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 exposed therefore the other hand must be pointing on 7, 8, 9 or 10. What is the exact direction of the other hand?. So we need to confirm the other hand. Maybe there are other clues. We have A TIME.

-- What is Mark saying in the background of Ode?. Well For some reason the band wants to keep this secret. But here is my interpretation. Here's what I hear. Good sound equipment and technology was used to get this. And so my mind wouldn't stray. I got other people, some of which didn't even know what It was all about to listen to the recording. If you want to try this yourself without equipment then simple turn one channel of your speaker off. Studio recordings are done differently. They don't just record out of one speaker. Effects and Voice-overs, lyrics and instruments are done in different channels. Basically what I'm saying is that The Voices in the background of Ode are coming out of the different speakers. So you can turn of the left and hear what the voice is saying on the right speaker. Then Vise-Versa. What we know. There are 2 Voices. Of course when a word is said it can easily be something else said. But between the 4 or so people that listened to it they basically heard these possibilities.

V1 = Voice 1 V2 = Voice 2

V1: I Have A couple of questions for ya. V2: Yeah ahh, go ahead. V1: Where are we going? V2: 26.7 degrees, is that about right?

In Both versions. The last comment is very interesting. We all agreed 26 was said. But were not sure about the last number. Was it 0 or 7?. So We played around with it and listened over and over. And agreed it was 7. The first two lines we are 100% on. The last two however were debated. Here is the other possibility we agreed on.

V1: I have a couple questions for ya. V2: Yeah ahh go ahead V1: Where are we going? V2: 26.7 degrees, got that? V1: Roger, Ian out.

You can see how 'Is that about right?' and 'Got that?. Roger, Ian out' sort of sound the same. Anyway so I sat down an starred at the words. The first version. Seems as if 2 people or more. Are going somewhere?. The second sounds as if it could be a conversation between two people over a phone, or CB in a car?. It could also be two pilots. I mean who else uses 'Roger, Ian out'. Its not a normal conversation. These are not two people in the same room talking to each other. Far fetched?, maybe. But on the BB. Someone said that a grandfather of one of the band members was in WW2?. What significance does this have?. Well army types usually 'Roger, out'. When talking over CB. Interesting. Evan more interesting however is THAT number 26.7. I thought to myself what on earth is 26.7?. Then I was reading what I had wrote earlier. And It HIT ME!. The coordinates. The missing numbers. One was ?.7 could 26 be the missing number behind ? that gave me chills. So back to Terraserver to enter the extra number to the coordinates. 26.7 instead of ?.7 The area was now narrowed down to 37km SE instead of 38km SE. And Already I can see a certain crossroad that stands out its the same crossroads as in the picture above.

Zoomed in. N30� 14' 26.7 W084� 00' ?.4

The crossroads on the left are the very same as id guessed earlier. I thought they looked like the ones on the cover. Notice how they are on an angle and not perfectly vertical. How deep does this mystery go?. We have coordinates on Human Clay that are incomplete then we have messages in songs on My Own Prison giving us more information. This is very eerie indeed. So the crossroads are nearby but still our coordinates are not complete we need the number in front of ?. This mystery so far has spanned 2 albums maybe we need to wait for the 3rd?.

-- The children holding hands on the inlay of Human Clay. Starring at the booklet for quite sometime looking for more answers. I Couldn't help but notice the 2 pictures. One where children made of clay are playing a game and the other of some sort of statue. Well what on earth is the meaning behind this?. No I wasn't about to go on the net and look for a statue resembling this. As I was extremely tired already. Then on the BB someone made a post. Saying that this pictures of the children is actually also a statue. And can be found somewhere in Washington. What message does this statue of children playing hold?. The other statue is just as mysterious but its origin and meaning are yet to be unlocked. The children made of clay are playing on a field. The field of human clay?. Obviously I'm referring to the song Say I where Scott mentions a field of human clay. Is the place in Tallahassee the place Scott referred to As the field of human clay?. Here's what Scott said in an intro to Say I at a show in San Antonio in 1999. "I want you to take a trip with me on this next song. I want you to go somewhere in your minds and use your imagination. I want you to actually visualize the place I saw when I wrote the lyrics to this song. Im imagining in my mind a place much like the earth but completely destroyed and all mankind is gone fortunately you and I have been taken away and were resting on the clouds looking down on what's left and I think that the answer that this song is giving is why are we there? what happened to this earth? so come with me on this journey and see that place this song is called Say I, come with me". Starring at the cover some more. I couldn't help but notice the eerie cloud?. I said to myself It appears to be dusk. The time just before the sun goes down over the horizon and leaves an orange haze. This leads back to the TIME the figure is holding?. Maybe it could well be near 7:00pm a time when the sun is just about gone, Anything later would be night (I'm referring to daylight saving time). And in FL area its between April and October. Do we have A DATE? The parts that stand out there are 'I'm imagining in my mind a place much like the earth but completely destroyed and all mankind is gone fortunately you and I have been taken away and were resting on the clouds looking down on what's left'. Then there's the line in the actual song "The dust has finally settled of the field of human clay". The sky on the cover of Human clay does look very dusty. What's this mean exactly?. Scott refers to a place he saw when he wrote it. Look at the pictures all over Human Clay. Look out the ground. It looks destroyed. So is this the place that Scott was referring to?. What significance does it have in relation to the coordinates and the children playing?. This lay dormant for some time until a creed fan on the bb by the name of Centauri posted about this entire mystery Centauri's first few comments were nothing new to me. Then something was mentioned about a hidden clock?. On the drawing of the children made of clay playing. The child with out any shoes. Just above his knee there appears to be a clock. There is no other explanation. The time appears to be around 7:00pm Does this mean that the entire Human Clay booklet, the coordinates, the children playing are all linked to the clocks?. We now also have A TIME. But what for? I was just about to update this page and I was starring at the hidden clock. And I've now realised that almost everything in Human Clay has meaning. So I'm looking at the hands holding the old style watch. I've starred at them as I have the cover for a very long time. And I CANNOT Believe I didn't see this Before. The Numbers 3 and 6 are missing on the watch!!. They are not there. I was starting to get serious chills. What on earth is this all for?. The significance of the missing numbers are yet to be determined. However in the next few days Ill be doing more research than ever, fueled by the secret clock that Centauri found and my own discovery made 5min ago. This is getting seriously deep. Before I updated this page. I mentioned that the answers we look for could be in the next album. Because this mystery has spanned both Creeds albums. But perhaps I was wrong?. Perhaps The answer is starring us in the face. How will we finally UNLOCK this mystery?. Look at the back of My Own Prison. At the CD artwork on the back. There is a LOCK!. A COMBINATION lock. It is 'reversed' for some unknown reason. And the combination of the lock is pointing to the number 4. What does this mean?. Could the number 4 be a missing part of the coordinates. Could it be something else? Could it combine with possibly some other numbers?.

As The Moon Hides The Sun Mentioned earlier was the theory of the pictures taken on human clay being 7:00pm and if that was true then the time needed to be daylight savings as mentioned earlier between April and October. April is the 4th Month. The key lock on MOP is pointing to 4. Perhaps this is in fact saying April is the KEY to the whole thing. Or perhaps its stating something more precisely 4th of April?. If this was a date, its already past. But nothing creed related has happened perhaps its 04-04-2002 What on earth does that have to do with something. Its a DATE?! 04-04-2002. I did some research on this date. Found something interesting. On this day. Its a Thursday. Something unique is to happen. The Sorge Moon Rise happens at exactly 12:00:01am close to perfection. This wont happen for 60 years. Also on the 04-04-2002 , 15hr31m Moon Rise Last Quarter. You gotta be saying. What on earth does the Moon have to do with Creed?. Well there is a reference to it in one of their songs "Is This The End" and it goes as follows: "For as the winds rise As the day breaks the dawn, And as the moon hides the sun, oh the sun No more sorrow, oh those crying days are gone, No more sorrow, now its gone, now its gone, Now its gone." I'm not sure if there is any meaning behind that. But it is an interesting piece of information none the less. But if so where has the information strayed?. Where have we taken the wrong turn. Perhaps the date has some other meaning. Or Perhaps the date is wrong itself. Either way if it was right. What would this date be for?.

LIVE SHOWS! We all should know by now how much Creed rock live, but what more COULD be in the AMAZING live shows Creed put on? If any. That question came back to me while I was reading the BB and an intriguing thing popped up. During at least one of Creed's live shows there in the background amongst the fire was a face. A face with CLOCKS AS EYES! Centauri sent me a picture of this: So. The question exists, what time are these two clocks telling and is there any significance? Well clearly the left eye is at 2:55, and according to myself, the other clock seems to be an exact mirror image, 9:05. So do these two times have any significance? Now if you've read this whole account, you'll have noticed that time was one of the three main points found. But then here we have two completely new times! Already noted are the times: - 6:43 (the time when Jagger was born, found on various areas, inlay, CD) - circa 7:00 (front cover, a time perhaps?) and now we have 2:55 and 9:05. Now from here I can't really see any similarities. So I'll move on to the next part...

Are You Ready? Reading all the emails you've sent and the threads I've seen on the BB, it seems to me that everyone is looking towards the CD covers to the answers to this. I think, however, that considering Creed is a rock band, that any answers that might be there would come from what these boys do best, ie: coming from the MUSIC. I'm going to concentrate solely on Human Clay for a short time. Ok I know about the voices behind Ode (see above) and the voices behind One (both can be heard clearer on the Blue Collar CD) and I've got it on good authority that people have heard sirens behind the My Own Prison chorus. Taking all these into account, I've decided the next phase on my little search for something deeper within Creed will be found in the second album. So I gave it a good listen (something I do every morning) and noticed a little something behind Are You Ready. There is no 'softer' recording of this like the MOP songs, so this is all going with the CD version of the song, something I would hope we all have by now. It seems to me that there is another voice behind this song too. Not as long, but a voice. It isn't as clear cut as the Ode or one, and it could be an echo of the chorus, but in my mind it's not. It's something more. I couldn't for the life of me work out what it was saying, so I made a short recording, and it can be found above. (approx. 250kb) It starts at about 4 seconds. Now this is great (note sarcasm), more QUESTIONS and not an ANSWER in sight. Fortunately, the journey is usually as important as the destination, and with that little thought and after coming to grips with the fact I wasn't probably going to work out what was being said, I listened on. Some inspiring words were sung: 'Hey Mr. seeker hold onto this advice/if you can seek then you will find' Now I take this as a message to me to keep looking, that there is something going on here, and when this THIRD ALBUM (time? see above) comes out, all those who have continued their search and find something new and interesting will be rewarded! This turned out to be a great for me. This mystery, although no nearer completion was developing and changing before my eyes. A few months with nothing new and a breif listen to HUMAN CLAY and the whole mystery had CHANGED complexion. 3rd Album info has just arrived. Apparently one of the 'working' songs is called 'HIDE" This section is named Hidden Stuff. What this song has in it could tell yet more clues!. Could we hear more background voices in the song?. Or perhaps more inspirational verses such as the one in Are You Ready. Time will only tell. But still. We have A TIME, A LOCATION, A DATE. What for?. I need the help and input of all Creed fans out there. If it wasn't for Centauri this wouldn't have been updated and I wouldn't have made my vital discovery of the Missing numbers. Perhaps they fit into the coordinates. I will soon find out. Until then."