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Rules and Guidelines for the Classic Europa Group
SEP I 2007
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Classic Europa is an entirely unofficial, fan-based celebration of the Europa games. It does not cover any other games (such as other games in general or even the Europa-like Great War or Glory series). See below for a list of all current Classic Europa titles.
The Classic Europa mailing list is a moderated group. Membership to the group is vetted by the group's moderators. Only members can post messages to the group, and moderators review the messages before they are sent to the group's members.
Why? Far too often in other forums, a very few bad apples ruin the experience for
everyone else, by posting off-topic material, engaging in bad behavior, relentlessly
bringing up the same comments over and over again, etc. Also, spammers are increasingly
infiltrating unmoderated groups to spread their unwanted messages. By using a fully
moderated approach, Classic Europa hopes to avoid this and thus reward the many good apples
with an enjoyable experience. So far it has worked very well!
Our goal is to have fun in the group and with Europa, and we want you to
have fun, too. Pretty simple, really -- let's all try to make it work!
Europa is a trademark of Paul R. Banner. Classic Europa is an unofficial fan site and mailing list and neither licenses the Europa trademark nor operates with the endorsement or approval of Paul R. Banner or HMS, the current publisher of the Europa series. Classic Europa does not represent HMS in any manner.
Becoming a Member: Please read these rules and guidelines. If you are willing to abide by them, then you are welcome to request membership in the group by e-mailing [email protected]. Membership requests are reviewed by moderators as time permits.
Posting: Members can post messages to the group by e-mailing
[email protected].
Messages are reviewed by moderators as time permits.
Attachments: All attachments are automatically
stripped from e-mails, so please don't bother to send any. Instead, members can use the
group's Files section at
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/classiceuropa/files/
to upload and download files. Warning: The group does not guarantee that
files are free from viruses or other malicious software, so download at your own risk.
(We haven't had a problem so far.)
Websites: The Classic Europa mailing list has a
website for members at
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/classiceuropa/.
This site is administered by Yahoo Groups, and you need to follow their terms of use. See
http://groups.yahoo.com/ for details.
Classic Europa also has an infrequently-updated public website at
http://www.geocities.com/classiceuropa/.
Technical Problems: Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/
and see their help section.
Unsubscribing: Simply e-mail [email protected]
with a blank message.
The Message Archive: The group's message archive is
periodically culled to remove posts that are no longer relevant or of lesser interest due to
the passage of time. The goal is to maintain the archive with the best posts of the group, so
that members can strike the gold without having to pan through a lot of dross.
What is on topic:
What is off topic: Essentially, everything else. We deliberately do not provide
an extensive list of what is off topic. If you don't "get it", maybe this list is
not for you.
Unacceptable Behavior: We disallow any and all
bad-apple behavior. Insults, profanity, excessive complaining, and so on are not acceptable.
We deliberately do not provide an extensive list of unacceptable behavior, since if you
do not already know how to behave properly this list is definitely not for you.
Posts that violate the rules or the bounds of good behavior will not be sent to the list
(and the moderators may ask you to revise them or may instead just delete them, as they
wish and as time permits).
Don't post anyone else's material to this group unless you have received their permission
to re-use that material. See the Use of Material section for further
details. We treat this as a very serious matter, especially when copyright violation is
involved.
We know that honest mistakes and occasional lapses do occur and we account for them.
We enforce the spirit of the rules, not the dead letter of the rules. This cuts both
ways: making an honest mistake occasionally is fine, but deliberately trying to bend
the rules and then claiming innocence is not.
Violating these rules will prompt action by the moderators, ranging from not approving an
offending message up to revoking membership in the group, depending upon the seriousness,
frequency, and willfulness of the offense. After more than two years in operation, we have
not had a major offense and the few minor problems that have arisen have been cleared up
without trouble. Following the rules not only works but is easy to do!
We encourage posts on the PLAY of the Europa games. In our experience there's not enough discussion of game play, which is a core experience of the Europa games.
We discourage all posts asking for official HMS material or news about HMS, its plans,
its publication schedule, etc. Classic Europa is entirely unofficial and does not represent
HMS at all. HMS has its own website, mailing list, and other forums; please use them.
We don't ban complaints on this list, but we strongly discourage things like
frequent complaints on the same item, often-repeated griping on pet topics,
excessive whining and carrying on, or relentless doom and gloom. We want to have fun here.
If you want to rain on someone's parade, please go use other forums where that
sort of behavior is tolerated.
We discourage anonymous posters. If you want to use the list, we prefer that
you to identify yourself: include your name or initials (if these would identify
you), or have an e-mail address that reasonably identifies you. Far
too often for comfort, anonymous e-mail from posters like
"[email protected]" turn out to be bad apples trying to cause
problems.
We strongly discourage cross-posting between different groups or mailing lists. Just
because you may be on multiple lists, that does not mean every is, wants to be, or should
be. Also, it is doubly inconsiderate: people on more than one list get multiple posts of
the same item, while people on one list may not have enough context for what's going on
(especially if cross-posting starts after the topic has been brought up on a differently
list). Moderators will take action on instances of willful and persistent cross-posting.
Material posted to this group is for use on this group and for the personal use of the members of this group, only.
Original work remains the property of the person who created it. Unless that person have clearly give permission for further use, please do not distribute anything from this group without checking with the owner.
If you want to share something with Classic Europa but want to explicitly restrict its use, please include a copyright notice in your name or organization on it (e.g., "Copyright 2005 Your Name Here"). It is also a good idea to indicated that it is restricted. Something like this has worked well in the past:
Copyright [YEAR], [OWNER'S NAME]. All rights reserved. Do not distribute in any form without express permission of the author!
8. Group Etiquette Suggestions
These are suggestions to help make the group easier and more enjoyable to use.
Top Posting and Excessive Quoting. Please avoid excessive "top
posting" and excessive quoting. They each result in posts that are less
readable, less meaningful, and less useful.
Top posting is where you reply to a message at the top of the post: you
add your comments above the previous post and its quoted material. Posts
make best sense when they are sequential in the order people read them -- first
the oldest quoted material, then the comments to it.
Excessive quoting involves quoting most or all of a message while you are commenting
only on part of it. Don't make it hard for people to figure out what you are talking
about!
Take a moment to make your post both more legible and attractive, it will be
appreciated.
Subject Lines. Please change the subject headers when the topic in the
e-mail begins to substantially change from the original thread. It is very hard
to keep track of all these things, if, 6 months from now one's looking for the
"truck" thread in WW and it's buried in a "Greeks in BF &
WW" subject header.
9. Classic Europa Games
A. From GDW:
These are the "original" or "first edition" Europa games:
Drang Nach Osten (DNO)
Unentschieden (UNT)
Narvik
Their Finest Hour (TFH)
GDW subsequently upgraded the series and did "second generation" or
"second edition" Europa games:
Fire in the East (FITE)
Scorched Earth (SE)
Fall of France (FOF)
2nd edition Their Finest Hour (TFH)
Case White (CW)
2nd edition Narvik
Marita-Merkur (MM)
Spain and Portugal (S&P)
Western Desert (WD)
The Near East (TNE)
Torch
B. From GRD:
GRD acquired the Europa series from GDW and at first continued the second generation format of GDW:
The Urals
GRD then upgraded the series as the "Collectors' Edition" Europa
games:
Balkan Front (BF)
First to Fight (FTF)
A Winter War (AWW)
Second Front (SF)
For Whom the Bell Tolls (FWTBT or Bell)
War in the Desert (WITD)
Storm over Scandinavia (SOS)
C. From HMS:
After the untimely death of Winston Hamilton of GRD, HMS eventually became the publisher of the Europa series:
Wavell's War (WW)
D. Honorary Classic Europa games:
Africa Orientale (AOI). Appeared in Stragegy & Tactics magazine #128). AOI is an unofficial but classic Europa treatment of the WW2 campaign in Italian East Africa.
War of Resistance (WOR). Officially a Glory game from GRD, WOR was originally designed exactly as a classic Europa game and played quite well as such. It was subsequently modified to be a Glory game, but is still 95+% Europa in play and style.
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