Subject: AN ENGLISH AND/OR SCOTTISH WEBMASTER????
Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 1:03 PM
I am hoping we can find an English Webmaster.... one who will take on the
task of creating a new website which will SOMEHOW collect and collate the
data we are gathering re the various
Strong/Strange/L'estrange/Strangman/Strangway/Straughn, etc families
scattered about the various counties of England.�� Please take a look at my
Lineages Directory:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530/lineages.html
under the category of Strongs of English or Norman descent.�� There is a
long, long list of names and lineages, which I have attempted to sort
geographically by area and county.� Frankly, I need to go to a map every
time I come up against most English counties, and I am afraid I have
"mis-sorted" some of them {:-).�� I have made no attempt to collect any
data, relying on the various researchers to compile and keep their own
records.� As you know, my website started with an emphasis on Ireland, only
reaching back into England when lineage connections can be made or
inferred.... and I will be the first to admit that my English research has
been limited.
When he was alive, John Mayer provided us with an invaluable asset in that
he was an excellent researcher, had an immense library inherited from his
grandfather, Alexander T. Strange, and had many insights into Strange and
Strong research reaching back into the Norman Conquest.� We have made an
attempt to keep his writing available to us as a research tool.... but we
need something more.
Martha Strong's "My World" site is an excellent body of research re the
Strongs of southwest England... Dorset, Somerset, and Devon;�� with some
extension into other adjoining counties... and of course, following lineages
on to New England.� However, it strikes me that we need someone who will
look at the rest of England as a whole... and who can work with the rest of
us to try to tie the various pieces together from that perspective, leading
to lineages in Australia, New Zealand, Canada, US, Africa, and Ireland.�� We
need an active researcher willing to specialize in England and to share
his/her insights with us through management of a Website.
Residence in England would be desirable... but is not essential.� What is
needed, however, is someone with insight into English laws, customs, history
and society... someone who at least understands some of the nuances of
"English" English when written and spoken.� Obviously, the rest of us would
be quite happy to have some interested person to share the work with!
While we are at it, a webmaster who would be willing to perform the same or
similar role with regard to the various Strang/Strange/Strong lineages
originating in Scotland would be "frosting on the cake"!
Any Volunteers????!!!!!�� And, please note, setting up and managing a
website, while perhaps a challenge, is not an insurmountable task....�� talk
to us about it;� there are several of us available to help get you going, if
you have not previously had experience with a website of your own.
Regards,
David B. "Dave" Strong
Email: [email protected]
Website, "Researching Strong(e)s and Strang(e)s in Britain & Ireland"
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530
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In a message dated 1/13/99 8:58:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, MFBSTRONG writes:
Dear Dave,
Just getting back to work. You might want to look at Rev. James Strong family
on the SFAA Website. You will be amazed at where they all ended up. I also
need to add Timothy Strong family who also spread out.
I saw your post about some one to do England. You will need more than one
webmaster. John and I talked about it and neither one of us would attempt it
there are to many problem with that broad a project. When you get too broad it
becomes to cumbersome. This is how John and I worked: example, We had George
Strange that John had documented. I had him from the West Country project with
Burton Spear. George had a son George who had a daughter Elizabeth. In the
records her name was Elizabeth Strong m. to John Hill. Once her name passed to
Strong I took over and finished documenting her family here. We both
documented the information for others but John passed Strongs on to me and I
passed Strange on to him.
I found from working with people here and in England that in order to really
be effective you need to pick a time period and an area. For example the West
Country versus the East Anglia. All of England had the same basic laws but
different customs. The customs of the manor are probably more important than
the laws before 1700. The same holds true of Scotland or Wales.
One of the major problems I have found is that people are not doing the
groundwork. I have been able to help those that do it.
I would make these suggestions to your idea
1) That we need to post somewhere how to do basic genealogy and perhaps have
a webmaster that could give advice on a problem or at least refer people to
someone who knows. But really stress that they have to do some groundwork.
2) Have a webmaster that would list families according to counties and link
them to the various pages for example Melancthon Strong of London would be
linked back to Rev. James Stronge of Chardstock. Melancthon family has been
documented into the 1800's and they are all over England.
3) Scotland and Wales should be separate Webmasters who can become expert in
that area. Scotland for instance should be at least divided into Highland and
Lowland because there you will find a great difference in customs.
4) We need someone to do East Anglia, John was great in that area and we
found that with my knowledge of the West Country and his of East Anglia things
started to mesh. Now if we could just find someone with a small bit of John's
knowlege we might get somewhere. We may even find that things need to be
divided more than that.
I guess the best way to describe this is the US.
We have New England, the South, the West, the Midwest etc. Every section of
this country is different. I guess I notice this the most because being from
NE where old is the 1600 and living in the midwest where old is 1840's.
History of the various parts of the US also is vastly different. Take the
English Civil war. New England sided with Parliment and Virginia sided with
the Royalist and wrote their histories accordingly at least the leaders did.
Ordinary people didn't much care because it didn't have anything to do with
them.
In England there were three factions.
Parliment - Oliver Cromwell
Royalist - King Charles
Dorset Clubmen - the ordinary people which is pretty much where most of our
ancestors fell. The Clubmen were led by the Clergy and they didn't care about
King or Parliment because neither would make a real difference in their lives.
Even though they are known as the Dorset Clubmen they were all over the West
Country. Since they were just ordinary people they didn't get into the history
books. Winners write the history. Cromwell put them down hard.
In England Cromwell was consided a regicide and a tyrant and King Charles was
consided a martyr by the ordinary people.
These are some of my ideas. Let me know what you think.
Martha
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Hopefully, someone will step into the breach and help us persue these
thoughts further. In the meantime, the following chapter is being compiled,
when and as possible.
The place descriptions contained in this chapter are
keyed to various charts which are to be added at a later date.
They are designed to complement the charts by giving some
insights into the physiography and local history of the places
inhabited by the persons listed in the charts.
Following, keyed to the Lineages Directory, are discussions
of various lineages with brief discussions where known of the
localities or estates in which their origins have been traced.
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The following information is based upon two messages:
From: Mike Strange
To: [email protected]
Subject: STRANGE- John 1747-1809 - et al - England
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 6:23 PM;
and
From: Mike Strange
To: [email protected]
Subject: STRANGE-William Copeland 1805-1875 - England - Update
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 6:23 PM
Hi, this is an update to a message I posted to this group on
29 October 1998 and is accompanied by another posting
concerning William Copeland STRANGE's immediate ancestors
and his siblings.
David STRONG please note that my inclusion in your LINEAGES
DIRECTORY needs updating with both posts.
[Editor's Note:the Lineages Directory has been updated concurrently with the
creation of this new chapter and Web Page]
John STRANGE (Snr) was born in 1747, his first marriage was to
one Jane DORMER in Caversham, Oxfordshire on 3 January 1773;
she had been baptised on 26 November 1749. Sadly the marriage
did not last long; their son John (Jnr 1) was baptised on 17 October
1773 and Jane was buried on the 18th.
John remarried on 6 November 1775, again in Caversham, to Ann
Husgate; seemingly quite an unusual name according to the IGI.
They produced at least the following children:
In Caversham:
Sarah (bap. 1 November 1776 in)
John (Jnr2) and my 4th great grandfather (bap. 17 April 1778)
In Henley-on-Thames:
Elizabeth (bap. 28 May 1780)
Mary Anne (bap. 17 November 1784)
William (bap. 28 October 1791)
John (Snr) was a victualler (Kings Arms public house) and
bricklayer in Henley (see Page 369 of The Universal British
Directory of Trade, Commerce and Manufacture - 1794); he died 28
November 1809 in Henley, Anne followed on 6 May 1820.
John (Jnr2) is the only child I know about; his first wife was Mary
Ann Copeland who was baptised 3 August 1771; they married in St
George the Martyr Church, Southwark London on 12 October 1801
and produced the usual tribe and all in Henley:
Anna Maria (born 28 September 1802)
John Benjamin (born 3 December 1803)
William Copeland (born 4 December 1805, d. 3 October 1875)
My 3rd great grandfather. [See Below: William Copeland Strange]
Martha Sheppard (born 17 September 1807, d. 3 September 1810)
Adam Robert (born 7 June 1809)
Mary Anne died in April 1816.
John remarried to another Mary but her maiden name is not known
to me; they had children:
Edward Goodall (born 4 February 1818)
(A witness at brother WIlliam Copeland's second marriage)
James (born 17 May 1819)
Henry (born 13 April 1821)
George Frederick (born 12 March 1823, buried 13 March 1867)
John (Jnr2) was a builder in Henley and, in 1835, also owned a
brickworks known as Comp Kiln. But his real claim to fame was to
happen in 1816 when he was summoned to the Court Leet of the
Manor of Henley for building the front of his house in New Street
projecting onto the Waste of the Manor by nine inches. He
claimed that he had built on old foundations and had not extended
the front of the building. On examination the front was proved
correct but they found that one step forming the approach to the
front door projected ten inches on the Waste and that two spur
posts to the gateway adjoining the house projected nine inches.
He was ordered to pay 6d per annum for the encroachments and it
was to be backdated to 1812. John later removed the front door
and the offending step to under the carriage archway where it is
today - in 1836 he was charged only 2d for the post! - Moral -
Never argue with the planning department, the hole just gets deeper!
As for the maternal lines of which little is known at this time:
Mary Ann COPELAND's father was William COPELAND, he
married Mary FELL on 24 November 1754 in Bampton and had
other children:
Benjamin 1759
John 1761
Robert 1765
Ann 1767 (big gap to Mary Ann in 1777)
Jane DORMER's family were father James DORMER who was
married to a Mary and siblings:
Elizabeth 1756
Francis 1751
Prudence 1754
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[Second Message:]
William Copeland STRANGE was born in 1805 (probably Henley-on-
Thames as he was baptised there on 10th January 1806 from
Parish Records) and died 3rd October 1875 in Henley (certificated).
He was a builder and later an architect and surveyor (Post Office
and Lock's Directories 1869 and 1870).
He resided in Henley at New Street, now No 52 (1841 census) ,
Hart Street (1851 census), and is listed as having a Pew Faculty
(No 37) in 1834/5 and as paying Henley Rentals 1836/42, He was
in London, Holborn 10 Harpur Street, (certificate for 2nd marriage
22nd November 1860 at St George the Martyr, Queen Square,
Holborn to Elizabeth POCOCK and 1861 census). His first child,
also baptised William Copeland STRANGE, was born in the last
quarter of 1861 and baptised in Holborn.
I have yet to investigate the intervening years to 1867 but there was
a son, John, born in 1863 (from 1871 census and Civil Registration
records).
William and family were certainly back to Henley by 1867 and living
on Gravel Hill (birth certificates of a son 15th January 1867, Arthur,
and from Directories 1869 and 1870), 55b Bell Street (1871
census) and we also believe what was No 6 Market Place but have
no evidence other than Market Street recorded on one of his son's
birth certificates (James - 13th December 1873).
We know very little about William's first wife, Sarah (maiden name
not known), except that William was recorded in the 1841 census
with her and Charlotte BOND servant aged 13. Sarah was some 6
years older than William giving her birth as c1799. In the 1851
census it is shown that Sarah came from Pershore in
Worcestershire and that a nephew of hers, Henry Cowell from
London, and a different servant girl, Addelaide Free, were living with
them.
Elizabeth POCOCK, his second wife, was born in Pangbourne,
Berkshire, but for some reason was baptised in the Oxfordshire
hamlet of Mapledurham. Her father, William Pocock, a carpenter,
was a witness at William and Elizabeth's wedding together with
one of William's brothers Edward Goodall STRANGE and Esther
Ann POCOCK (relationship to Elizabeth not known). Note that at
the time of his marriage William was 54 and Elizabeth was 26, not
a trait that followed through the family!
The London house they lived in (10 Harpur Street, Holborn) was
divided into apartments house at the time and indeed still is. It still
looks rather fine amongst a vast area of development; I hope it
remains intact.
When William arrived in London (and in the 1861 census) he was a
builder but later (1869) he became a surveyor and architect. Did he
have any formal training, was this why he was in London, or did he
just develop his skills and then adopted the title? We do know
that during the period he was there much work was taking place to
improve the sewerage system throughout London and that a major
development was being undertaken very close to his apartment in
Theobalds Road so maybe he was involved with this; I doubt we will
ever know.
We have records for a number of further children to William and
Elizabeth, notably two sets of twin girls and another trait that
thankfully did not continue!
Sadly, William's fortunes dwindled and the number of mouths to
feed increased. The properties they were shown to be in with each
census showed a decreasing standard of accommodation. William
died in the Workhouse hospital after a year of paralysis.
In the 1881 census his widow (Elizabeth) was in the Union
Workhouse with a number of her brood, Elizabeth, Mary Ann,
Gertrude, Fanny and James, he was my great grandfather and
was only 2 years of age at this time and was born when William
was 68 - not a need for Viagra in this family!
I hope this story has not been too long or boring but if anybody can
add more to it I would be delighted. I have managed to track down
the descendants of William's son, Arthur, via the internet (he is
also Arthur STRANGE) and we are jointly researching the family. I
have a strong lead on the son William (Copeland) but we want to
find out more about:
Sarah (first wife) her maiden name and her background,
William's career development and some of the work he did,
Elizabeth and all their other offspring
The following outline of William's children may help to strike a cord
with someone, the last two names are not substantiated as
existing and are doubted:
1. William Copeland b 1861 m 1896 SMALL Mary Ann > London
a. Frank b 1898, d 1950, m Eva > Sevenoaks, dsp
b. William b 1899, m Mary
i. William b 1920, m ? > Aldershot
2. John b December Quarter 1863
3. Arthur b 15 Jan 1867 m 15 Jan 1867 NEWSHAM Mary Jane
a. etc - line known
4. Elizabeth bap 9 Sep 1868, Henley (Parish records)
5. Mary Ann bap 6 Sep 1868, Henley (Parish records)
6. Fanny b 1870, > Reading?
7. Gertrude b 1870 > Egham?
8. James b 1873, d 1955, m 1897 SMALL Ellen (Mary Ann's
sister)
a - etc = line known
9. Frederick?
10. Caroline?> Orpington?
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Mike Strange - 141 Potton Road, Biggleswade, Beds SG18 0ED
Tel: 01767-315075 E-mail: Mike Strange
See Also: Lineage Directory entry
Studying in Oxfordshire:
STRANGE - Henley and maternal lines: POCOCK - Mapledurham
COPELAND - Bampton and HUSGATE - Caversham
Also:
In Cambridgeshire - WHITE, BARNES and FROST
In Norfolk - BIRD, ROGERS and TAYLOR
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