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Lockpicking Forum, continued...
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Grandolff says, "I thought you ment like from this forum"

Delileah says, "they train in it.. and don't complain"

Grandolff whistles tunelessly to himself.

Sayzor says, "I did."

Sayzor chuckles.

Delileah says, "don't expect advantages"

Delileah says, "but they get good"

Kadlena pokes Sayzor in the ribs.

Blades asks, "you workin on ambush at all Sayzor?"

Blades peers quizzically at Sayzor.

Grandolff says, "Call lighting works on chests too"

Delileah says, "Phillipa is better than I.. but alot older"

Rayzor says, "I still don't understand how we're compared to theives though...a few hundred coins or a missing gem...and we're hunted. Yet folks seek out and give millions of coins to some guy in a big hat to say mumbo jumbo at their swords."

Sayzor says, "I will be, as part of the hiding system changes."

Blades nods to Sayzor.

Grandolff asks, "Any changes to the call lighting spell?"

Blades just tried to pull Sayzor towards him!

Blades exclaims, "Rank based!"

Kahtya says, "erm, I have a question about Wooing..if anyone wants t'talk 'bout it."

Delileah says, "and I definately respect it and have no qualms against her picking"

Kaydenjadir asks, "Do ye ever go out to hunt?"

Sayzor says, "Call Lightning will not be changed in regards to chests at all. The new Stun Cloud trap will be loosely based on Call Lightning."

Blades says, "i've got some nice ideas for overtraining ambush if ya ever wanna hear it"

Blades pokes Sayzor in the ribs.

Grandolff nods.

Ishiyama says, "yeah, how is it 200 ranks and 5 ranks steal ya the same amount? umm, not that I've done that or anything, just hearsay I've heard"

Blades says, "to make them clerics swords bounce offa critters"

Ishiyama whistles tunelessly to himself.

Sayzor chuckles.

Setzier says, "People need to keep their hands in their own pants. When I usually fine some snert with their pants in my pants searching for coins, I usually put them in a timeout like a civilized person. Course when it is more then once, I'm taking a limb"

Sayzor says, "200 ranks gets you more silver, if a person has it."

Ishiyama nods to Sayzor.

Kahtya asks, "kin I quote that Sayzor?"

Kahtya smiles eagerly

Sayzor nods to Kahtya.

Ishiyama says, "but still, it takes forever to steal 5k...so I've heard"

Ishiyama clears his throat.

Blades asks, "in the current pickpocket system is their an age modifier?"

Blades peers quizzically at Sayzor.

Sayzor says, "I've stolen over 500 silvers at a swipe before."

Sayzor smirks.

Blades says, "why do i not expect an answer"

Delileah says, "well .. I can't give a timeout.. but I do usually take off a hand"

Setzier says, "Well you're you."

Setzier glances at Sayzor.

Kadlena begins chuckling at Blades.

Kahtya begins chuckling at Blades.

Grandolff says, "good question Blades"

Delileah says, "which is only suited"

Sayzor says, "As a player, I've stolen over 250."

Arkenhold asks, "Well, arent the rest of us limited to 100 silvers?"

Blades says, "k"

Blades coughs.

Delileah says, "stealing from a fighting rogue"

Delileah scoffs.

Grandolff says, "Blades ask it agbain"

Grandolff says, "again"

Blades says, "like i said i didn't expect an answer"

Blades pokes Grandolff in the ribs.

Sayzor chuckles.

Grandolff smiles.

Ishiyama chuckles.

Blades says, "he heard me"

Blades grins.

Grandolff says, "Yah i'd like to know tho"

Grandolff smiles.

Sayzor says, "There are several factors involved with the amount of silver you get."

Maneaak says, "I doubt it is Blades, dont seem like it anyway"

Sayzor asks, "Want one of them?"

Sayzor grins.

Kadlena says, "I don't suppose you'd name them all..."

Kadlena glances at Sayzor.

Sayzor says, "No, but I'll tell you one of them."

Grandolff says, "please name them"

Blades says, "i seem to see it Maneaak"

Grandolff smiles at Sayzor.

Arkenhold says, "All of em ifn ye would"

Setzier asks, "Preception?"

Arkenhold smiles.

Sayzor chuckles.

Druhar asks, "Any chance rogues will be able to set or reset a trap Sayzor?"

Nitefallz leans on Kadlena.

Sayzor says, "There is a chance, yes."

Sayzor grins.

Rayzor says, "well, obviously they need as much as you can take else you can't take that much from them"

Blades says, "considerin i can steal from people with absolutely no thieving skill"

Grandolff says, "No tell us one you think that we would least expect"

Druhar smiles.

Grandolff says, "Don't tell us pick pocket training is a Factor"

Setzier begins chuckling at Grandolff.

Setzier says, "It is."

Sayzor snaps his fingers.

Grandolff smiles.

Grandolff smiles at Sayzor.

Setzier says, "Also the preception of the person you are stealing from."

Maneaak says, "Hard to say"

Kahtya says, "well I'll toss this out there... I think I'm a fairly well trained rogue for my age, but I still have to hand over boxes that I can't touch to my sorc husband, who oddly enough doesn't have nearly as much trainin in locks as me..and I've heard this isn't uncommon..woo still seems overpowered to me..um, if anyone wants to adress that."

Rayzor says, "Is it my imagination...or is there a trick to getting gems over coins? I seem to be able to get gems much more often than coins when I try."

Arkenhold asks, "Does their perception only let you see them or can it prevent you from doing it?"

Grandolff says, "I think Less Phsyical training should be a factor in pickpocket"

Druhar asks, "Sayzor will the guild skills add more RP to our disarming a trap, customers can get a bit bored watching the same thing over and over again?"

Blades nods to Rayzor.

Grandolff asks, "If you have big old muscles how could you get in a pocket?"

Blades says, "don't train in pick pocketing"

Blades says, "you'll always get gems"

Blades snickers.

Rayzor chuckles.

Kahtya pokes Blades in the ribs.

Sayzor says, "I'm always amused when a thief fumbles a trap."

Sayzor smirks.

Brinnea says, "hmm..what do ya consider no thieving skill..cause my sis has like..10 ranks in stealin and can't hardly steal from anyone"

Rayzor says, "well, too late for me that method...you should have told me sooner Blades."

Setzier says, "I kinda like the look on their face when they set off a scarab"

Setzier smiles darkly.

Blades says, "i fumble em on purpose but you made my bomb blowing up work useless"

Blades pokes Sayzor in the ribs.

Ishiyama says, "oh, we are still able to steal from merchants right? cause we sure do get fined for trying .. from what I've heard"

Blades says, "i can't accidently kill everyone anymore"

Sayzor smirks.

Ishiyama clears his throat.

Setzier says, "Then they have to beg me for a unpoison or undisease"

Blades says, "tell em to learn it"

Blades nods to Setzier.

Arkenhold asks, "Will it ever be possible for us to steal from something besides other PCs?"

Blades snickers.

Setzier begins chuckling at Blades.

Maneaak says, "I say Sayzor Loads up his Pockets and we all have a Feast"

Nitefallz nods to Arkenhold.

Sayzor says, "It is now, Arkenhold."

Grandolff says, "Yah like criters"

Delileah asks, "We're really glad yer amused Sayzor.. but what are you doing to preserve what is sacred to us?"

Setzier says, "Some rogues dispise magic. I have no idea why. Magic is a person best friend."

Druhar says, "you can steal from the town constable"

Blades nods to Setzier.

Nitefallz says, "go rob the goofy wizard in mule, he's rich"

Blades says, "it is"

Kaydenjadir says, "I can't even fathom the amout of Mana to cast unpoison"

Druhar says, "er so I have heard"

Blades says, "Bleys just likes to contradict me"

Arkenhold asks, "Well, without bein drug off to jail?"

Setzier says, "Course when you use magic against a incinterator, it makes it a empath's best friend."

Setzier glances at Sayzor.

Setzier mutters under his breath.

Kittoa pokes Nitefallz in the ribs.

Grandolff says, "but if the criter catches you, you are off guard and they have an attack advantage"

Blades says, "plus he likes to argue with me for some reason"

Brinnea nods to Setzier.

Brinnea drools.

(Ishiyama waits for Bleys to say "I do not!")

Ishiyama whistles tunelessly to himself.

Delileah asks, "to preserve our profession.. YOUR profession?"

Blades says, "when thieves became rogues, i looked at this profession very very different"

Sayzor says, "Delileah, as I said...I will never do anything that is not in the best interest of a Rogue."

Nitefallz asks, "What's your ideal rogue?"

Nitefallz glances at Sayzor.

Setzier says, "I've always thought blowing up boxes in town should be fineable. Alot of people set of bomb traps in the treehouse... Course... I did once."

Sayzor chuckles.

Sayzor says, "The one that I created."

Kaydenjadir exclaims, "ME!"

Nitefallz chuckles.

Blades says, "can only wish"

Sayzor asks, "Tried it recently?"

Blades nods to Setzier.

Blades smirks.

Sayzor raises an eyebrow.

Sayzor smirks.

Aurec says, "I set someone on fire once. It was amusing."

Kadlena pokes Sayzor in the ribs.

Setzier says, "I've not found a bomb trap recently."

Setzier says, "ONly lockless boxes"

Sayzor picks up a battered wooden coffer.

Blades squints at Sayzor.

Blades exclaims, "thief!"

Setzier stares off into space.

Sayzor offers Setzier a battered wooden coffer.

Setzier accepts Sayzor's wooden coffer.

Delileah says, "I'm sorry Sayzor.. but I just don't see it... I didn't base my stats on any guide.. I have stats that many rogues would... you can look at them Sayzor.. why don't ya? I admit. the high stat went into wisdom just for the picking bonus.. but was not my priority"

Setzier tries to eat his wooden coffer.

Blades waves to Setzier.

Ishiyama says, "uh oh"

Nitefallz coughs.

Blades says, "bye bye"

Setzier removes an alum lockpick from inside his myklian scale harness.

Setzier tightens his grip on his alum lockpick.

Setzier asks, "Don't want me to do it here do you?"

Setzier glances at Sayzor.

Sayzor says, "You can't do it here."

Sayzor just tickled Setzier.

Setzier snaps his fingers.

Blades says, "hmm"

Blades's viper suddenly uncoils from around his neck and crawls down his arm, straightening into a staff in his hand.

Kahtya says, "hrm, on the topic of that wisdom stat...rogues are known for our quickness and nimbleness...the same coordination that should go into traps.."

Blades stares off into space.

Setzier put an alum lockpick inside his myklian scale harness.

Setzier sniffs at his wooden coffer.

Delileah peers quizzically at Sayzor.

Kahtya says, "i'd love to see dat stat change made an option or somesuch."

Kahtya grins.

Blades says, "i have a feelin that box is gunna kill ya"

Blades nods to Setzier.

Setzier says, "Most likely."

Kahtya says, "and us if we're too close"

Kahtya mumbles something that you don't quite catch.

Kaydenjadir asks, "This is off the subject but will there be a way to hit a creature just right to knock him unconscious?"

Sayzor says, "True, they are. However it also takes a person that is wise enough to learn from past experience to know what to look for."

Blades says, "knowledge of the traps though pretains to wisdom"

Nitefallz says, "warriors got more wisdom then me"

Nitefallz mutters under his breath.

Blades says, "knowledge of a good hiding place pretains to wisdom"

Blades shrugs.

Delileah asks, "is not my dex and reflex higher than wisdom?"

Setzier says, "I was having that same arguement with Amerlise in whispers."

Setzier nods to Blades.

Kaydenjadir asks, "then why can't ya train to be wiser?"

Blades says, "because wisdom isn't trained"

Sayzor says, "You can't force yourself to retain knowledge."

Blades says, "its learned"

Kadlena says, "Its not a skill. Its an attribute."

Kahtya says, "a lot of people's are from what I've heard"

Delileah says, "I placed a high stat there.. but dex and ref was before that"

Maneaak says, "I jes for once in my Life find a Box item, is that so much to ask, othern a Moldy Bone etc."

Maneaak snickers.

Nitefallz asks, "if someone learned spells, wouldn't their wisdom increase?"

Setzier says, "Its a growing up process."

Setzier says, "Just look as some of the legends. They do not have any wisdom at all."

Setzier coughs.

Aurec says, "Usually it's intelligence that does."

Blades pokes Setzier in the ribs.

Kaydenjadir says, "I thought Wisdon is something you get over the years... not born with..."

Sayzor nods to Kaydenjadir.

Delileah says, "I have 100 in dex and ref.. "

Sayzor says, "However, you can be born Wise."

Kahtya says, "it comes very slowly though"

Kahtya chuckles.

Rayzor says, "mostly the wisdom to not make the same mistake twice. I hate repeating things and then going, I can't belive I forgot that step."

Setzier nods to Sayzor.

Setzier says, "I was born wise, and look how I turned out."

Setzier smiles with an insane glint in his eye.

(Setzier cackles madly!)

Blades says, "a moron"

Blades nods to Setzier.

Setzier coughs.

Kaydenjadir asks, "but to what extent? and how can you raise your wisdom?"

Setzier shifts his eyes to Blades.

Ishiyama says, "well gotta remember, you're not "born" when you walk out of the blind alley, you're like 21 years old, just no trainings"

Ishiyama shrugs.

Delileah says, "wisdom is slow to rise for us"

Setzier mutters under his breath.

Delileah asks, "why is that?"

Rayzor says, "like starting a car while it's running... you only do that once or twice."

Blades grins.

Delileah says, "if it's a ROGUE thing"

Blades says, "depends on how intoxicated you are"

Blades furrows his brow.

Rayzor begins chuckling at Blades.

Setzier smirks.

Kahtya beams happily at Delileah!

Aurec says, "Sayzor, if you could change the equation to take the highest of either wisdom or dex/ref, you might be able to slipstream a change in without affecting older characters."

Sayzor says, "Because you are a Dark Elf."

Kaydenjadir says, "wisdom should rise faster for us.. I mean look at all the strange people and experiences we have to learn from"

Kahtya nods to Aurec.

Kaydenjadir glances at Setzier.

Kahtya just tried to pull Aurec towards her!

Setzier stares off into space.

Setzier mutters under his breath.

Aurec grins.

Setzier says, "I'm not strange. Everyone else is strange."

Arkenhold says, "You could say that about any profession in the game"

Ishiyama asks, "it's not you it's the rest of the world right Setzier?"

Blades says, "when i was born i placed aura,wisdom and discipline the highest"

Setzier nods to Ishiyama.

Setzier says, "Exactly."

Brinnea says, "I'm confused"

Brinnea sighs.

Sayzor nods to Blades.

Ishiyama nods to Setzier.

Delileah says, "I'm just tryin to tell you just the serious things bothering all of us"

Nitefallz chuckles.

Blades says, "and dexterity and reflexes quite low"

Nitefallz says, "I thought I was the only one to do that"

Sayzor nods to Blades.

Rayzor nods to Blades.

Setzier nods to Blades.

Setzier says, "Actually my lowest was Charisma."

Kahtya sighs.

Sayzor says, "As did most older Rogues."

Delileah says, "we're afraid of the other guilds.. if they have ways to open boxes.. ya'll are just slowly writing us off"

Blades says, "my low is con and charisma"

Blades says, "they're not to low anymore though"

Setzier nods to Blades.

Setzier smirks.

Rayzor says, "took me till I was 70 to even swing an aimed strike at 5 seconds. Putting low stats in dex, and ref."

Kaydenjadir says, "In the olden days, I put charisma as my highest when I first knew this land"

Kaydenjadir chuckles.

Arkenhold says, "Heh, i just did quickgeneration, didnt plan to be playing this character very long"

Arkenhold grins.

(Setzier quietly pokes at the coffer in his hands.)

Delileah asks, "why is enchanting exclusive to wizards.. and picking isn't to rogues?"

Blades says, "i saw picking and disarming as boring when i was a "thief"...only because i hate being asked Blades pick this, disarm that"

Blades says, "thats why i learned spells"

Blades shrugs.

(Kaydenjadir sees Setzier's coffer go BOOM!)

Setzier stares off into space.

Setzier says, "No thats later."

Setzier pokes Kaydenjadir in the ribs.

Delileah asks, "if one profession has an exclusive.. why don't we?"

Nitefallz says, "its boring when people come up to you constantly asking you to pick"

Nitefallz glances at Kittoa.

Aurec says, "It's called ambush."

Arkenhold says, "Open it Setzier, cant be too bad"

Aurec winks.

Kaydenjadir says, "wait..that was a future vision"

Blades says, "jack of all trades"

Kittoa bites Nitefallz!

Kahtya asks, "ever hunted with a ranger or cleric that trained to ambush?"

Kahtya shrugs.

Ishiyama says, "watch it not be locked"

Blades says, "i prefer being able to dabble in everything"

Ishiyama whistles tunelessly to himself.

Blades says, "and someday mastering all"

Setzier says, "I'm tempted to just go out and pick it without disarming it."

Blades says, "thats how i look at it"

Setzier shifts his eyes to Sayzor.

Delileah says, "I can fight.. decently... if really spelled.. I can do vruul.. if not spelled.. trees are my option"

Sayzor says, "Do it."

Nitefallz glances at Sayzor.

Sayzor nods to Setzier.

Sayzor chuckles.

Nitefallz says, "think he fell asleep"

Nitefallz says, "doh"

Setzier smirks.

Setzier shrugs.

Setzier stands up.

Setzier removes a mottled veil iron lockpick from inside his myklian scale harness.

Setzier says, "I be back"

Setzier tightens his grip on his veil iron lockpick.

Setzier says, "In pieces"

Setzier coughs.

Blades says, "no you won't"

Blades grins.

Setzier shuffles his feet.

Setzier just went out.

Kahtya says, "try comin back in"

Blades says, "boom"

Kahtya says, "too late"

Ishiyama says, "ka.."

Blades asks, "is it trapped?"

Nitefallz chuckles.

Blades peers quizzically at Sayzor.

Maneaak says, "Bah jes raise TPs for Rogues only"

Sayzor chuckles.

(Kahtya waits for the no doubt entertain new death message)

Maneaak cackles!

Kaydenjadir says, "ya should be able to hear the echo of an explosion in adjacent rooms"

Blades furrows his brow.

Nitefallz says, "I say lower the points for rogues back to 60"

Delileah says, "Sayzor.. I've heard a lot of things.. but I'm not willing to give up hope yet.. but I didn't find the forum reassuring"

Sayzor says, "He's trying to WOO it."

Sayzor chuckles.

Blades chuckles.

Sayzor says, "Oh, I forgot to put a lock on it."

Sayzor chuckles.

Sayzor laughs!

Kahtya groans.

Ishiyama cackles!

Kahtya says, "i think i'll go be a sorc to open my boxes"

Kahtya nods.

Kahtya gazes heavenward.

Kahtya pokes Sayzor in the ribs.

Blades leans on his staff.

Nitefallz glances at Kahtya.

Nitefallz says, "learn unlock"

Delileah says, "so we'll sweat just like the mages do now.. "

Kahtya mutters something about dangitgotquietagain.

Sayzor says, "There."

Sayzor chuckles.

Aurec says, "Be a bard instead."

Aurec says, "Mediocrity in all situations."

Aurec fidgets.

Phobo asks, "so how much longer we goin tonight?"

Erskian just hugged Kadlena.

Kaydenjadir says, "my voice is flat... would scare anyone from bein a bard"

Kahtya says, "yeah, it'll only take me um 14 more years Nite"

Kaydenjadir chuckles.

Kahtya shrugs.

Blades says, "until you pass out"

Delileah says, "I'm all for the fun in the traps.. but I'm against the knee jerk reaction ... giving them lockless"

Blades snickers.

Ishiyama says, "until Sayzor passes out"

Kahtya snickers.

Kahtya asks, "anyone have chocolate and coffee for him?"

Blades furrows his brow.

Ishiyama whistles tunelessly to himself.

Maneaak says, "Sayzor ye Still multi-Tasking"

Maneaak cackles!

Rayzor asks, "was there mention earlier of demonstrating a new trap? Or did I mis-understand something said?"

Blades says, "i'm just waiting for Setzeir to become a puddle"

Nitefallz seems to be waiting for something.

Blades asks, "wha ya tink we're waitin fer?"

Blades peers quizzically at Rayzor.

Sayzor says, "He lived."

Sayzor chuckles.

Delileah says, "well.. I don't mind passing off a box above my abilities.."

Kahtya snaps her fingers.

Blades says, "well what good is that"

Kaydenjadir chuckles.

Kahtya says, "how..dissapointin"

Kahtya giggles.

Rayzor says, "I'm always two minutes behind everyone."

Brinnea says, "I don't want him to become a puddle...Setz is nice"

(Aurec watches the bet payoffs change hands.)

Blades asks, "can i go kill him now anyways?"

Blades peers quizzically at Sayzor.

Nitefallz pokes Blades in the ribs.

Kadlena begins chuckling at Blades.

Arkenhold asks, "Ye did trap it Sayzor?"

Kahtya snickers.

Blades says, "just for general purpose of course"

Ishiyama asks, "darn, he got to that smooth stone you put in there?"

Delileah says, "but passing off a box cause there is no way in hell I can try it is another story"

Kahtya nods.

Nitefallz begins chuckling at Ishiyama.

Ishiyama snaps his fingers.

Druhar says, "I just hope one of the tools we get is a crowbar for them lockless boxes"

Delileah says, "I'd like to try one.. I'm very well trained in my pick and disarm"

Sayzor chuckles.

Ishiyama looks over at Druhar and shakes his head.

Kahtya says, "we have those...der called glaes clubs"

Nitefallz says, "just pop it"

Delileah smiles at Kahtya.

Kahtya giggles.

Blades says, "nah lockless boxes are for humor, give em to a fiter and watch em smash it over their ead"

Blades says, "then laugh at em"

Kaydenjadir chuckles.

Maneaak says, "Well while we got all ye Rogues here, Im Looking for Some Nice Brig if anyones got some Extra "

Delileah says, "I don't intend on passing any boxes back without an attempt"

(Kahtya holds up a small sign that says "Woo still too powerful")

Kahtya coughs.

Blades says, "curi leather is your friend and so are spells"

Blades nods to Maneaak.

Kaydenjadir says, "Will the gods ever send down anarmy of real people to invade town er something? that be something else"

Kaydenjadir chuckles.

Ishiyama looks over at Druhar and shakes his head.

Sayzor says, "Heh"

Delileah says, "I like my brig.. and I don't want spells"

Sayzor says, "He lived again."

Sayzor snaps his fingers.

Blades says, "i asked Pentar to let me invade town earlier he called me a bloodthirsty barbarian"

Blades mumbles something that you don't quite catch.

Nitefallz begins chuckling at Sayzor.

Delileah says, "I don't plan on going beyond brig"

Druhar's face turns slightly pale.

Delileah says, "but I'm forced to at LEAST get lores"

Druhar says, "Goods imagine that, thousands of Blades attacking town"

Druhar shivers.

Blades asks, "thousands?"

Blades says, "bah"

Delileah says, "it's not stat wise that I disagree"

Blades says, "one"

Blades smirks.

Setzier appears in a flash of light, looking slightly disoriented.

Ishiyama says, "I'd rather have pink and purple polka-dotted roltons invade..."

Nitefallz says, "I don't see why people complain about the self cast lore policy"

Brinnea says, "one is plenty"

Blades squints at Setzier.

Sayzor chuckles.

Setzier says, "Wonderful change."

Setzier smiles at Sayzor.

Nitefallz says, "ya want the lore, you gotta work for it"

Ishiyama says, "hmmm, reminds me of a good night at Helga's..."

Setzier put a mottled veil iron lockpick inside his myklian scale harness.

Kahtya says, "that's cause you had em when they came out"

Delileah says, "I disagree because I don't think rogues should have magic at all"

Blades asks, "do i get to finish him now?"

Blades removes a deadly sickle inset with a dark soulstone and the name "Soulstealer" inscribed in deathrunes along the length of its staff from inside his hideous black scabbard.

Nitefallz asks, "so?"

Setzier cowers away from Blades!

Aurec asks, "Sayzor, are there any plans to change how bard loresinging works with locks and traps?"

Druhar chuckles.

Phobo says, "except for those who cannot cast it Nite"

Kahtya says, "I think there should be an option...like redux for picking skills vs. magic"

Delileah says, "I have one spell"

Nitefallz says, "well if they want it"

Nitefallz says, "learn it"

Blades says, "its a choice, Delileah, not manditory"

Sayzor asks, "Not on my end. That would be up to the Bard Guru. Is there a problem with it?"

Delileah says, "and I am KINDA ashamed of it"

Setzier says, "Now I don't have to listen to the people in the treehouse whining about being blown up."

Delileah says, "but I got it for love"

Phobo says, "some do not have the option of learning it"

Kahtya says, "I know have 2...and wouldn't if not for the change"

Kahtya shrugs.

Kahtya says, "er I now know 2"

Kahtya gibbers incoherently.

Delileah says, "so I could be close to the one I love"

Nitefallz says, "but you'd stell be using lore"

Aurec says, "It could provide some better information. It's rather vague, if anything."

Blades says, "i mean i've thought of making a wizard with only base amount of magic and massive amount of combat skills"

Nitefallz says, "so you're sayin you can't pick without lore"

Nitefallz pokes Kahtya in the ribs.

Blades says, "talk bout a hellish creature"

Delileah says, "and I swore that would be my only"

Aurec says, "Considering that you're actually talking with the box, it should be a bit helpful."

Delileah says, "and now they forcing me to get moer"

Kahtya says, "yes Nite, that is what I'm sayin...after 6 years I'm ALMOST back where i was before the change"

Setzier says, "I still thing there should be a implosion trap that vaporizes the disarmer and their group instantly upon a failure to disarm it."

Kahtya shrugs.

Setzier winks at Sayzor.

Brinnea gawks at Setzier.

Nitefallz says, "you shouldn't need lore to begin with"

Delileah asks, "why not just call gemstone Magicworld?"

Setzier asks, "Isn't it already called that?"

Setzier peers quizzically at Delileah.

Kahtya nods to Delileah.

Kahtya nods to Delileah.

Kahtya nods to Delileah.

Kahtya cowers.

Nitefallz asks, "so you want to pick with someone elses magic but not have to learn it yourself?"

Kahtya mutters inadvertant.

Blades says, "life is a path of choices, Delileah"

Kaydenjadir says, "hey ferget fluff, training points all the way"

Kaydenjadir chuckles.

Setzier nods to Blades.

Sayzor says, "Delileah, nobody is FORCING you to do anything. You are making the choice to be a picker, live with it. If you do not want to be the best picker that you can be, you are already there with your training path."

Blades says, "no need to critize anyone elses path just because of your choices"

Delileah says, "I don't want to have to use magic at ALL"

Sayzor says, "They are your choices. You made them, and you must live with them."

Kahtya says, "no Nite, I'd like to see the extra trains in lock/disarm come CLOSE to the magic bonus"

Blades says, "then don't"

Sayzor says, "Then don't get spelled up before a hunt."

Delileah says, "I have trained EXTENSIVELY"

Sayzor says, "Don't use magic weapons or armor."

Blades asks, "you have redux don't you?"

Sayzor says, "Don't let a healer heal you."

Sayzor says, "Depart when you die."

Nitefallz says, "the bonus to what"

Setzier says, "No deeds either."

Kahtya says, "the range I can pick"

Blades says, "redux was a great equalize vs. the spell slinging rogue"

Nitefallz says, "you don't like magic"

Sayzor says, "You make those choices, nobody makes them for you."

Delileah says, "well.. you have made it that for me to do that.. I get no experience"

Nitefallz says, "but you try to include it with your skill"

Blades says, "but that equalizer will go away in time"

Delileah says, "I'm not a money hunter"

Setzier says, "Magic is in Elanthia, in form, mana, items. It is not possible to survive without sometype of magic."

Blades asks, "will ya answer this one Sayzor, is redux capped?"

Delileah says, "I'm a favor hunter"

Kahtya says, "nite, drop it, yer jus arguing for the sake at this point"

Nitefallz rolls his eyes.

Sayzor says, "I dunno Blades."

Delileah says, "I want to earn favor so I can help in the Baron invasion"

Blades nods.

Setzier says, "Voln's symbols are magic too."

Sayzor says, "Favor is magic, though."

Nitefallz says, "they won't be used.."

Ishiyama says, "you don't have to learn to cast magic to open boxes, I went through 32 trainings of picking without my own lore"

Ishiyama shrugs.

Leanness says, "i want to earn favor so i can help the baron invade"

Delileah says, "favor is something I earned"

Leanness smirks.

Kahtya says, "it's good to be human"

Kahtya whistles tunelessly to herself.

Delileah says, "and it is not a spell cast"

Sayzor chuckles.

Aurec just tickled Kahtya.

Nitefallz says, "its the favor of the gods"

Setzier says, "Favor is the murdering of innocent undead to please a mortal who enslaves other mortals."

Delileah says, "it is the gods smiling at me for past deeds"

Setzier says, "My opinion of course."

Setzier smiles.

Sayzor says, "I can rationalize that the sky is yellow and the sun is blue. That doesn't make it a fact."

Nitefallz says, "the gods use magic"

Setzier nods to Nitefallz.

Kahtya grumbles.

Kahtya says, "the gods are by their nature magic"

Kahtya shrugs.

Nitefallz raises an eyebrow.

Setzier nods to Kahtya.

Nitefallz says, "so.."

Maneaak peers quizzically at Sayzor.

Kahtya says, "however that's the point..they're gods, we are not"

Kahtya coughs.

Delileah says, "favor is not a spell unless it calls for a warding"

Setzier just nudged Delileah.

Maneaak says, "Ye must be color blind den"

Arkenhold says, "I dont think you can call gods magical, just all powerful"

Kaydenjadir says, "Maybe earn deeds from special acts durring a day... i dunno.. killed the most in an invasion or something"

Setzier asks, "Do you not draw symbols in the sky?"

Nitefallz says, "lots of spells don't require warding"

Setzier peers quizzically at Delileah.

Setzier says, "That is magic"

Druhar asks, "Sayzor any thoughts to one of the guilds skills being a spell list that helps rogues?"

Sayzor says, "The Lore spells do not rquire a warind, therefore they are not magic."

Rayzor says, "'magical is a relative term as well...someone opening a box with a twig could seem magical to a child."

Delileah says, "having the gods take you to the monastery is not YOUR magic"

Blades says, "i just wanna be able to pour some nice sleep poison on my sword"

Blades snickers.

Nitefallz asks, "so then why not learn them?"

Delileah says, "it is THEIRS"

Setzier says, "But non-the-less... it is magic"

Delileah says, "and they take it away as well as they give it"

Delileah says, "it's not magic for them"

Nitefallz says, "yes it is"

Kaydenjadir asks, "Sayzor... how boring is it to write code?"

Nitefallz says, "they learned to weild mana after the end of the drake rule"

Sayzor chuckles.

Sayzor says, "Depends on the code."

Kaydenjadir says, "oh.."

(Kahtya looks for the sign she missed that read "history forum")

Druhar nods to Ishiyama.

Kahtya whistles tunelessly to herself.

Delileah says, "well.. IF it was.. I doubt the gods will be within range of that crystal"

Blades asks, "want a history forum?"

Setzier says, "Actually I would see coding fun. You can create new things. Makes me just wanna go out and apply for a GMship."

Setzier glances at Sayzor.

Blades snickers.

Sayzor asks, "Delileah, did you ever rub a Lore imbeddible before the change?"

Kahtya shakes her head.

Kahtya says, "not yet"

Kahtya says, "tomorrow...or later today"

Kahtya grins.

Delileah says, "course I did"

Nitefallz says, "coding is fun"

Nitefallz says, "when it works"

Brinnea asks, "erm...what is coding?"

Sayzor says, "So, you used something that you did not pay for and now you want to be able to use it again without ever having to pay for it."

Setzier says, "You are coding"

Nitefallz says, "magic"

Brinnea says, "oh"

Setzier says, "This room is coding."

Sayzor says, "To me, that is completely unfair."

Blades says, "coding all the things that blow people into puddles is fun"

Kahtya says, "godly stuffs"

Kahtya cackles!

Sayzor says, "If you want a skill. Pay for it."

Kaydenjadir says, "it's the gods word for MAGIC"

Blades smirks.

Delileah says, "no.. I paid for it"

Kaydenjadir flails his arms about.

Sayzor says, "You paid silver...which is replacable."

Blades says, "course i'd enjoy it"

Kahtya says, "so is mana"

Delileah asks, "so what is your point?"

Sayzor says, "Pay for it with your TIME and your EFFORT to learn it...and then reap the rewards."

Nitefallz glances at Blades.

Sayzor says, "If you don't want to do that, settle for something less and continue to use the imbeddible."

Nitefallz asks, "terate ever teach you his obliteration trick?"

Delileah asks, "Sayzor?"

Delileah says, "I'm 35."

Delileah says, "I have 14 mana and 5 spirit"

Delileah says, "I really don't see the point"

Kaydenjadir says, "Hey I'm 20 and just got my 4th mana"

Sayzor says, "Then live with that fact."

Setzier says, "Learn magic and you get mana."

Brinnea beams happily at Kaydenjadir!

Brinnea giggles.

Kaydenjadir giggles.

Blades peers quizzically at Setzier.

Delileah says, "I'm not begrudging mana users"

Blades asks, "since when?"

Arkenhold asks, "You do?"

Setzier asks, "Since I said?"

Setzier coughs.

Blades says, "shudup"

Delileah says, "I just said why I hunt what I hunt"

Setzier stares off into space.

Maneaak says, "I got 68 Mana, but uhh Tis jes Sittin there like a lump"

Kaydenjadir says, "I resort to scrolls"

Maneaak says, "Every now and again I use 2 or 3"

Blades says, "the way i trained was to be as self sufficent as possible in my time period"

Maneaak grins.

Delileah says, "because I'm trying to stockpile favor for the invasion"

Nitefallz asks, "share or spells for rogues?"

Kahtya says, "I just want to know why increadingly...to be good at picking, it's leanin toward a magic usin rogue..you simply CAN NOT equal that with the pure physical trainin"

Kahtya says, "er increasingly"

Delileah says, "I'll never train share"

Ishiyama says, "share is a waste"

Delileah says, "I don't have enough"

Ishiyama says, "I would know"

Ishiyama mumbles something that you don't quite catch.

Blades says, "my mother told me not to share"

Nitefallz nods to Ishiyama.

Blades smirks.

Rayzor nods to Blades.

Maneaak says, "And from the looks of it Blades, ye have Trained verra well indeed"

Delileah says, "I do have enough to get lore"

Maneaak nods to Blades.

Setzier asks, "Sayzor, I don't think I heard you. When are the changes in the spells you mentioned going to take effect? When you finish them?"

Nitefallz says, "listen to her"

Nitefallz chuckles.

Ishiyama says, "worst 25 mental points i've used"

Kahtya sighs.

Nitefallz says, "I spent 50 phsyical"

Nitefallz's face turns slightly pale.

Kaydenjadir chuckles.

Ishiyama looks over at Druhar and shakes his head.

Kahtya snickers.

Sayzor says, "Probably sometime in April. I'm shotting before then, but plans change."

Setzier nods.

Kahtya says, "wanna share...be an empath"

Kahtya whistles tunelessly to herself.

Delileah says, "sure.. at year 35.. I need some spells to do vruul.."

Setzier says, "I've some enlightment on a GM's schedule... and its not pleasing."

Setzier shudders.

Kaydenjadir says, "wanna share pain? incinerate yerself"

Sayzor says, "So Vruul must need to be fixed."

Arkenhold says, "Its not april yet"

Blades says, "you're still a good bit younger then them, Delileah"

Arkenhold slaps himself on the forehead.

Delileah says, "no"

Delileah says, "not really"

Ishiyama says, "eh? not if you triple train..."

Delileah says, "I use EVERYTHING when I go there "

Blades asks, "how old are vruul? 45?"

Delileah nods.

Brinnea says, "for what? mana share? ifn yer a rogue and got alot of mana dats good..learn share..cause us empaths that heal ya after ya blow up use over 500 mana to heal ourselves up"

Brinnea babbles something unintelligible.

Delileah says, "it's within 10"

Setzier asks, "Any plans on lowering the treasure on Sheruvians to get rid of the old people who cannot learn from them and just want to money hunt?"

Setzier peers quizzically at Sayzor.

Delileah says, "and they are hard for me"

Kahtya says, "dat's only if ya do the scars yourself"

Kahtya just tickled Brinnea.

Delileah says, "I don't see they need to be tweaked at all"

Ishiyama just gave Brinnea a smooch.

Kahtya cowers away from Brinnea!

Brinnea giggles.

Nitefallz says, "don't hunt above your trainings"

Brinnea nods.

Ishiyama says, "I can send ya 1 mana"

Delileah says, "I hide "

Sayzor says, "Well you need magic to hunt there."

Ishiyama giggles.

Sayzor says, "So by your logic, they need to be fixed."

Delileah says, "but I don't come out unscathed"

Arkenhold asks, "What do you need magic to hunt?"

Blades says, "critters come in many varietys"

Delileah says, "no.. vruul are fine"

Sayzor says, "But that's the same logic you are using."

Blades says, "raax or whatever the heck they are now are very very square based"

Delileah says, "I hunt them only to gain favor for the baron"

Nitefallz says, "you want the best of both worlds it seems without havin to pay for it"

Maneaak says, "Im 31 and I kin hunt TKs, jes the Dern Harbs there i dont like"

Maneaak grumbles.

Kahtya says, "Sayzor, why is your philosophy that it should be necessary for rogues to pick well if they can reap other magical rewards, like massies, without knowin it demself"

Sayzor nods to Nitefallz.

Kaydenjadir says, "No one should hunt and comeout unscathed... a scratch at minimum unless yer having a good day"

Blades says, "TKs are square based too"

Setzier says, "You mean myklians."

Brinnea pokes Kahtya in the ribs.

Setzier just nudged Blades.

Ishiyama asks, "umm, Sayzor, you told us to mail you any suggestions, but uhh, did you ever specify which part of Feedback we send it to so it reaches you specifically?"

Ishiyama coughs.

Blades nods to Setzier.

Blades says, "whatever"

Ishiyama says, "e-mail address"

Ishiyama clears his throat.

Setzier smirks.

Ishiyama whistles tunelessly to himself.

Delileah says, "I really don't think you are listening to me Sayzor"

Sayzor says, "Kahtya, I want Massies to be changed."

Maneaak says, "Aye"

Sayzor says, "I'd prefer to see all spells Self Cast only."

Nitefallz just tried to pull Sayzor towards him!

Maneaak nods to Blades.

Blades nods to Sayzor.

Blades nods to Sayzor.

Blades nods to Sayzor.

Blades nods to Sayzor.

Setzier cowers away from Sayzor!

Maneaak says, "jes gotta be a lil careful is all"

Setzier says, "That will damage warriors."

Rayzor nods to Sayzor.

Setzier says, "Then I have to listen to them whine"

Setzier sniffs.

Nitefallz says, "well wait"

Kahtya says, "that's fine, just make the critters ability match their levels then"

Nitefallz chuckles.

Kahtya shrugs.

Nitefallz asks, "ditch those 3 mass spells?"

Delileah says, "I think you'd like for everyone to be self sufficient.."

Sayzor says, "No, don't ditch them."

Blades says, "mass spells can stay, but i always though if someone left the group mass spell went bye bye"

Aurec says, "Just make the mass spells group dependent like bard song renewal."

Setzier says, "And a whining warrior, is not a thing I wanna mess wid."

Sayzor says, "If you want the benefit of a Mass Spell...be joined to the caster to get it."

Rayzor nods to Blades.

Delileah says, "and no one would have to interact with anyone else.."

Brinnea just tickled Setzier.

Sayzor says, "If you are in Vruul, and the Caster is in town. You are not joined, so do not get it."

Kahtya asks, "sooo...we should all hunt in 5 member parties?"

Kahtya chuckles.

Nitefallz asks, "but other spelsl be only self cast, like alkars?"

Setzier nods to Sayzor.

Nitefallz coughs.

Nitefallz says, "spells"

Setzier says, "Like bard spells"

Sayzor nods to Setzier.

Blades says, "wall of force has become a disgusting crutch sometimes"

Sayzor nods to Blades.

Kahtya laughs!

Blades says, "not that thats going to stop me from learning it of course"

Setzier says, "But truely, if all spells become self cast only except for mass spells... The warriors will whine about it."

Nitefallz asks, "how so?"

Setzier shudders.

Blades smirks.

Delileah says, "So.. I go out and solo trees.. and make EVERYONE mad"

Kaydenjadir says, "I used wall of force only once... it is a bit over kill for me.. I se as little spels as I can get away with"

Kahtya says, "i don think that comes in till yer older..I've had it once in my whole life cast on me"

Maneaak begins chuckling at Blades.

Rayzor says, "if anything just halve the ammounts of anything not self cast including imbeddibles and scrolls and that wouldn't be a bad start."

Dara asks, "why don't you do pookas?"

Delileah says, "I do"

Nitefallz chuckles.

Delileah says, "they are just so populated that it's rare I get favor"

Blades says, "basically, my hunting was warfs, then to figures, then i hunted darkstone for to long"

Kahtya says, "cause yet again, der rich for their age..which he said will be addressed"

Maneaak says, "The best thing to hunt in ye 30s is Sheru Monks though, I kint git enough dat place"

Delileah says, "and I've done miners"

Setzier shifts his eyes to Maneaak.

Setzier mutters to_himself.

Delileah says, "I'm not caring about money"

Maneaak just tickled Setzier.

Blades says, "its not healthy to call yourself a moron"

Blades pokes Setzier in the ribs.

Setzier shifts his eyes to Blades.

Delileah says, "my trip to miners.. I joined"

Delileah says, "and I didn't take a single thing from the hunt"

Blades says, "where'd you come from Lundy Dundy"

Ishiyama says, "hmmm, I'm gonna go..open boxes"

Ishiyama grins.

(Blades guards his shins.)

Dara bites Blades!

Maneaak says, "How could ye stand huntin them Figs Blades"

Setzier says, "If you think of hunting Sheruvian members, then ya should remove that tattoo on yer finger"

Setzier pokes Maneaak in the ribs.

Blades says, "whew"

Kaydenjadir asks, "Whats good to hunt after you out grow Frosties?"

Sayzor says, "That's funny. You gain favor by just witnessing the kill."

Setzier nods to Sayzor.

Blades says, "figures were a bit different back then, Maneaak"

Kahtya says, "warfies Kay"

Ishiyama asks, "is it just me or are there only like 10 people in this room now?"

Ishiyama shrugs.

Blades says, "they didn't show up all spelled up"

Kaydenjadir says, "really? finally someone decided to give me an answer"

Kahtya pokes Blades in the ribs.

Blades nods to Kahtya.

Maneaak says, "I Jes hate they Spell"

Maneaak says, "errm Dispell"

Sayzor says, "21, actually."

Sayzor grins.

Rayzor chuckles.

Arkenhold says, "You gain Favor by watching undead die? that should probably be changed"

Blades says, "fire elementals are a nicely designed critter, need more crit padding though"

Setzier asks, "Are you going to appear during the Tresure system forum?"

Kahtya laughs!

Delileah says, "Sayzor.. if you want to really see what it's like for a GOOD rogue you are more than welcome to use me.."

Setzier peers quizzically at Sayzor.

Blades says, "its live or die there"

Sayzor asks, "Delileah, what exactly is a "good" rogue?"

Delileah says, "I'm trained in everything but magic"

Rayzor says, "hmm perhaps I messed up and need reroll. I thought I was good too."

Rayzor begins pouting.

Blades pokes Rayzor in the ribs.

Delileah asks, "you can look at my skills.. why don't you?"

Setzier begins chuckling at Rayzor.

Kahtya pokes Rayzor in the ribs.

Sayzor says, "I could actually pick that statement apart...but your training choices are your own to make."

Rayzor says, "if the first 5 times don't do it...a 6th might."

Kahtya says, "multiple of 3...3rd times the charm..seems valid"

Kahtya cowers away from Rayzor!

Delileah says, "the only thing I lack is the magic you so desire"

Kaydenjadir says, "I live with my stats... may not always like them but I live on"

Rayzor says, "if I did that Leanness would just pick on me.. Maybe I'll stay put."

Sayzor says, "You are not fully trained in Ambushing."

Blades pokes Sayzor in the ribs.

Blades says, "be nice"

Rayzor leans on Leanness.

Sayzor says, "You are undertrained in stalking & hiding."

Blades asks, "what did i say?"

Blades furrows his brow.

Delileah says, "I've got 55 ranks"

Setzier says, "But you have to understand, Delileah. Elanthia is a realm of magic. Everywhere you turn, you see magic. It is hard to survive without some sort of magic."

Sayzor says, "You aren't fully trained in brawling, which you should be for any weapon style to be used effectvely."

Delileah says, "and I'm doin more"

Sayzor says, "You are not trained for AsG12 yet."

Kahtya blinks.

Kaydenjadir asks, "Can you give me some extra Training points to become a proper rogue?"

(Kaydenjadir hopes for a miracle)

Kahtya asks, "brawling?"

Kahtya sighs.

Sayzor says, "You have very little climbing and swimming."

Delileah says, "oh... so then now I understand the warrior plight"

Delileah says, "I know"

Setzier says, "I got three ranks of disarming and lockpicking. I can pick some boxes"

Arkenhold says, "Heh, im not fully trained in anything i don think"

Setzier stares off into space.

Arkenhold chuckles.

Nitefallz asks, "warrior plight?"

Nitefallz snorts.

Sayzor says, "I have played full blown magical Rogues, like Blades...Semi-Magical Rogues...and Purists."

Delileah says, "I'm not willing to lose who I am for what ya'll want me to be"

Sayzor says, "I've trained them up in the levels, and I know the advantages and the disadvantages for each."

Blades says, "you make me sound like a disease"

Blades pokes Sayzor in the ribs.

Dara asks, "real players not just testing?"

Blades mumbles something that you don't quite catch.

Setzier says, "That is fine, Delileah, but understand magic is in Elanthia."

Sayzor says, "I don't want you to be anything."

Sayzor chuckles.

Kaydenjadir asks, "Ooo what do you think is most fun?"

Kahtya asks, "aren't you?"

Sayzor nods to Dara.

Kahtya peers quizzically at Blades.

Kahtya snickers.

Blades says, "usually"

Sayzor says, "Real players."

Blades nods to Kahtya.

Delileah says, "why should magic envelope a rogue.. it doesn't a warrior"

Kahtya blinks.

Setzier says, "I know some warriors who know magic"

Blades says, "choices, Delileah"

Kahtya says, "it does till they get redux"

Brinnea nods to Setzier.

Nitefallz says, "I know magical casting warriors"

Kahtya chuckles.

Brinnea says, "me too"

Leanness says, "Just appreciate the diversity"

Leanness mutters under her breath.

Setzier exclaims, "Heck Dalimar sends me 100 mana everytime he sees me!"

Setzier shudders.

Nitefallz says, "redux only works IF you get hit"

Nitefallz smirks.

Blades says, "you could be just of a jerky hided tin can wearin thick skulled giant too as a rogue"

Delileah says, "I do too"

Blades says, "just drop your rogue skills"

Delileah says, "but I don't think it's normal"

Blades says, "normal is different for everyone"

Delileah says, "I have a spell"

Setzier asks, "It goes back to the argument I have with Romulus and the sorcerers. Why should I train in spell aiming( a wizard skill) just to use my sorcerer skills?"

Sayzor says, "Who are you to define what "normal" is? I won't even take on that mantle."

Kaydenjadir asks, "Hey Sayzor, ye writing code?"

Delileah says, "but yer still taking things away"

Rayzor says, "I consider it normal to do any and everything possible as a rogue...to be a rogue. The day I start having to enchant armor...then I'll consider myself not a rogue."

Sayzor asks, "What did I take away?"

Kaydenjadir says, "if not, get at it, we want more stuff to complain about"

Maneaak asks, "Does any ye Double in CM ?"

Sayzor just tickled Kaydenjadir.

Kaydenjadir ducks his head.

Kahtya says, "sometimes"

Delileah says, "everyone opens their boxes"

Kahtya says, "my pickin abilities Sayzor"

Nitefallz says, "I couldn't get my spells"

Nitefallz chuckles.

Sayzor says, "I didnt touch your skill."

Delileah says, "even warriors"

Kahtya says, "it took my 6 years to get back to where I was at 17"

Blades says, "rogues are survivalists in a sense, street survivalists"

Sayzor says, "By using something you paid nothing at all for."

Nitefallz says, "what ever works"

Nitefallz nods to Blades.

Kahtya shrugs.

Blades says, "thats the definition i would give"

Kahtya says, "now I'm payin in not gettin redux a bit longer and listenin to Nite smirk in my ear"

Setzier says, "I open some boxes. Incinerators open me."

Kahtya smiles wryly

Setzier coughs.

Delileah says, "I'm concerned about the other guilds after us"

Brinnea giggles.

Setzier peers quizzically at Delileah.

Nitefallz says, "rogue is a word for someone who strays from mainstream"

Blades says, "i'm going to join the empath guild"

Blades nods.

Blades snickers.

Delileah asks, "are they gonna give them opportunities also to open their boxes?"

Setzier cowers away from Blades!

Kahtya begins chuckling at Blades.

Brinnea beams happily at Blades!

Kahtya asks, "what, if they offer anti-healin?"

Setzier says, "Actually, some think you are going to join the sorcerer guild, Blades"

Dara says, "if they had enough staff they could do more than one guild at a time"

Kahtya pokes Blades in the ribs.

Sayzor says, "That will be determined when we start work on those guilds."

Setzier says, "No, Delileah. Romulus went over this. Opening boxes is primarely a rogue skill."

Blades asks, "are they still planning to do secondary guilds, Sayzor?"

Kaydenjadir asks, "Look how long it takes to make our guild... do you think they have the manpower to spare for other guilds?"

Blades says, "when all the main profession guilds are open that is"

Sayzor says, "I cannot discuss that."

Blades pokes Sayzor in the ribs.

Delileah says, "well the more guilds that open their own boxes.. the more you are ridding a profession"

Maneaak says, "I always Inisioned for us to Through little Smoke Bombs, and Bright Bursts of light to Render our opponents some what Dazed and Confused"

Setzier says, "Just like the Ranger Guru won't let them have box opening skills."

Sayzor asks, "How so?"

Kahtya asks, "then why make it necessary to get lore AND woo if yer gonna be competative...if it costs such an exorbitant amount?"

Brinnea asks, "erm..secondary guilds?"

Sayzor says, "You are the only profession that can Triple Locks and Traps."

Delileah asks, "howso??"

Blades says, "bakers guilds"

Sayzor says, "You have the cheapest skill costs, overall, of any other class."

Blades snickers.

Setzier asks, "Merchant guilds?"

Setzier peers quizzically at Blades.

Delileah says, "well everyone is training disarm now"

Blades says, "sure sounds good to me"

Sayzor says, "Nobody else can Triple Train it."

Setzier nods to Blades.

Blades says, "i always like the idea of an assassins guild"

Delileah says, "and if the guild skill is given "

Blades says, "but i'm biased there"

Kahtya says, "aye, but I have to give boxes too high for me to my sorc husband...that shouldn't be possible...for him to woo a box better than I kin pick"

Setzier says, "Thats the rogue guild."

Setzier pokes Blades in the ribs.

Blades peers quizzically at Setzier.

Blades asks, "since when?"

Setzier asks, "Since I said?"

Setzier coughs.

Delileah says, "well.. we should just rot away and die"

Sayzor says, "Why not, Magic is...as I said...random."

Maneaak says, "We are also the Most likely to Survive Profession"

Blades stands up.

Blades hauls off and slaps Setzier up'side his head!

Blades sits down.

Setzier splutters.

Sayzor asks, "Would you like me to make you a casket or would you prefer incineration?"

Sayzor raises an eyebrow in Delileah's direction.

Rayzor says, "knowing when to hide and sneak away is always a great survivalist's trick."

Setzier says, "Woo I'll take a brown lacquered casket."

Setzier just tried to pull Sayzor towards him!

Delileah says, "that don't matter Sayzor to someone that has 300 mana"

Setzier says, "My pet fly died"

Setzier removes a large dead fly from inside his sacrificial satchel.

Setzier sniffs at his large dead fly.

Nitefallz begins chuckling at Setzier.

Blades says, "nah good survivalist tactic is to stick anything that looks at you funny"

Setzier pokes his finger at a large dead fly.

Sayzor chuckles.

Setzier put a large dead fly inside his sacrificial satchel.

Blades asks, "were you abused as a child?"

Blades peers quizzically at Setzier.

Setzier smiles with an insane glint in his eye.

(Setzier cackles madly!)

Setzier says, "No."

Sayzor asks, "Then why are they constantly complaining about lack of mana and the ability of opening boxes being stripped from them?"

Setzier stares off into space.

Blades asks, "or related to Thalior in anyways?"

Setzier begins chuckling at Blades.

Setzier shudders.

Delileah says, "so yer just leavin me with kob boxies or maybe up to wraith"

Kaydenjadir says, "on the farm, he saw roltons get taken away in space ships"

Kaydenjadir glances at Setzier.

Setzier glances at Kaydenjadir.

Setzier says, "No, but I saw a person come down on a airship and turn Tsalin into a common frog."

Setzier smirks.

Arkenhold asks, "I dont think either of you will ever convince one annother so why try?"

Nitefallz says, "if you've tripled since you been in the lands you should be able to get some pretty high locks"

Dara says, "my sorc took a big hit when the lore changes went in - went from being able to 140 traps down to 90 or 100 maybe"

Blades says, "i always said roltons should fly"

Kaydenjadir smirks.

Setzier nods to Dara.

Sayzor nods to Dara.

Setzier says, "I used to beable to open up to 140 boxes. Now I can't even open kobolds"

Setzier begins pouting.

Setzier says, "And that was manually"

Blades says, "hell i took a nice hit when the changes came in"

Delileah says, "I can get up to like -520 without lore.. top end"

Rayzor asks, "who didn't?"

Kahtya blinks.

Rayzor nods to Blades.

Maneaak says, "Morph and Mini are neat spells"

Nitefallz says, "I can get -460 with lore"

Delileah says, "I tripled for a long time"

Nitefallz says, "stop whining"

Delileah says, "but I'm playing catch up with others"

Kahtya says, "Nite, stop bein so damn superior because you had it when the change came in"

Setzier says, "Course, soon I'll be meditating and throwing rotting fruit down on you all."

Arkenhold says, "Hmm, i can only get like -310, maybe -320 with lore"

Setzier cackles!

Arkenhold sighs.

Nitefallz says, "I'm not"

Setzier says, "erm levitating"

Nitefallz says, "my skill sucks"

Setzier splutters.

Blades says, "lets look at this one, Delileah, i can pick hmm -360 without lore and 560 with lore, and i'm 73 years older then you"

Blades asks, "see a bit of a difference?"

Kahtya asks, "and yet you kin woo boxes open that are how high?"

Kahtya peers quizzically at Blades.

Delileah says, "you trained magic"

Delileah says, "alot of it"

Blades asks, "ever see a mithril box?"

Blades peers quizzically at Kahtya.

Kahtya grins.

Delileah says, "you depended on magic to open boxes"

Kahtya says, "aye, see a warrior with a club too"

Blades says, "i did when it was a common thing to do, Delileah"

Setzier says, "Each profession has their own unique abilities... some aquire abilities of other professions. That is life. People teach and trade ablilties and knownledge with other people. We cannot have seperate abilities and expect to live together in a realm."

Kaydenjadir says, "hurry up and make a code for complaining, so everone can hear ya no matter where they are and tell ya ta shut up"

Kaydenjadir chuckles.

Kaydenjadir ducks his head.

Delileah asks, "it's hard to catch up ain't it?"

Nitefallz asks, "if you retrained from the beginning, would you take the same path?"

Nitefallz glances at Blades.

Blades says, "hard? i don't try to catch up"

Blades nods to Nitefallz.

Rayzor says, "I only depend on magic (lockwise) for soul golem boxes...disarming I need help since I skimped knowingly bad. And I'm not tripple trained in picking, not even doubled in disarm."

Blades says, "i wanted to be the best hunter, not the best locksmith"

Setzier nods to Blades.

Sayzor says, "She is viable, but she is not ideal."

Setzier frowns.

Sayzor says, "If you want to be the best at one thing, then you are not the best at others."

Blades says, "perfection is near impossible"

Nitefallz nods to Sayzor.

Rayzor says, "heck I always thought huntin in groups was to cut the chances of ya dying instantly by the amount in the party. And hiding only improved it."

Sayzor says, "If you make choices to cut corners in places, expect to fall behind in those places."

Blades says, "and it always will be unless you have 500 trainings"

Kaydenjadir chuckles.

Maneaak says, "I like the way things are, If they were any different Id probably nae be here, Its the Challenge that Enjoy alot"

Rayzor says, "some of the funnest times I've ever had was hunting warfs with no spells and risking life and limb every attack."

Sayzor nods to Rayzor.

Sayzor says, "Mine too."

Nitefallz asks, "who wants to have things easy?"

Blades says, "theres only two skills i won't not drop i rank in, thats one handed edged and ambush, all the rest i've slacked off a tiny bit"

Nitefallz says, "er"

Nitefallz says, "nevermind"

Delileah says, "that's not true "

Delileah says, "my training pattern is ok"

Kahtya gives Kittoa a firm punch and backs away from him.

Sayzor says, "For you, it is."

Delileah says, "I am who I want to be"

Sayzor says, "That is my point."

Sayzor says, "Now live with that choice, and accept it."

Delileah says, "but I hate to see a mage younger being the same"

Kahtya asks, "Sayzor, why have I come to the undeniable opinion you DON"T like purely physical rogues?"

Kaydenjadir says, "psst... Sayzor... can you like add a few trasining points to me? I got a dollar bill with yer name on it"

Sayzor asks, "Because that is your opinion?"

(Kaydenjadir realizes he said that too loud)

Kahtya shrugs.

Delileah says, "Ok.. now I'm just inclined to believe what I've heard"

Sayzor says, "I don't like one over the other either way."

Rayzor says, "odd...I was lying prone with no shield the other day when Kux cast his hardest lightning at me and he said...that's not right. Some mages think we've got it too easy."

Sayzor says, "I like it when a person pays for what they use. Not when they get something for free."

Sayzor says, "If you want to do something, learn how to doit."

Delileah says, "I got nothing"

Delileah says, "for free"

Kaydenjadir says, "I'll pay a dollar"

Blades says, "the only spells i think are silly are boil earth and spikethorn"

Delileah says, "I paid for everything"

Kaydenjadir ducks his head.

Blades says, "and call lightning"

Sayzor says, "You paid for nothing. Silver is irrelevent."

Blades says, "theres literally no protection"

Kahtya says, "ya know, it prolly wouldn't bother me if I hadn't been alive before the change...I guess I'll just try to pretend I ne'er knew how it was and accept it"

Kahtya shrugs.

Delileah says, "I didn't mean silver"

Delileah says, "silver means nothing"

Sayzor asks, "Then how did you pay to use an Imbed?"

Sayzor raises an eyebrow in Delileah's direction.

Setzier says, "Possessions and items can be replaced. Your beginning training skills when you were younger cannot."

Setzier glances at Sayzor.

Kaydenjadir asks, "can I have your silver then?"

Setzier says, "Oof"

Setzier glances at Delileah.

Delileah asks, "an imbed?"

Maneaak says, "Well i dont Understand Meteor Storm, How kin that Benefit a Mage"

Setzier says, "It don't."

Setzier smiles at Maneaak.

Kahtya pokes Maneaak in the ribs.

Sayzor says, "An imbedded spell such as Lockpick Enhancement."

Delileah asks, "maybe cause me fiance Zeilden imbedded lore for me?"

Blades says, "if they want to commit suicide it helps"

Sayzor asks, "How did you pay for it?"

Sayzor raises an eyebrow in Delileah's direction.

Sayzor says, "It cost you nothing to use."

Delileah says, "with me and Zeilden.. we just give each other.. ther is no tally"

Delileah says, "we love each other"

Sayzor says, "So, as I said..."

Sayzor asks, "How did you pay for it?"

Sayzor says, "It cost you nothing to use."

Setzier asks, "Isn't Zeilden a rogue?"

Setzier glances at Delileah.

Sayzor says, "You were using an ability that others spent years learning how to use."

Delileah says, "yes.. he is"

Arkenhold says, "You've got to use your own time to get the silver"

Sayzor says, "For free."

Setzier says, "See, and he uses magic to make you your imbed."

Setzier just nudged Delileah.

Sayzor says, "So, in essence, you leached off of someone who paid to use the spell for your own benefit."

Blades says, "its not magic...well maybe it was"

Delileah says, "he had magic before"

Kahtya says, "and I'm sure she picked for him free...he used her years of trainin too"

Delileah says, "he didn't get it for me"

Sayzor says, "That is not the point."

Sayzor chuckles.

Delileah asks, "leached Sayzor?"

Delileah says, "I really want to slap you right now"

Rayzor chuckles.

Nitefallz says, "he's a rogue why he need her to pick"

Delileah says, "He gave it to me because he loves me"

Delileah says, "I didn't ask him for it"

Setzier cowers away from Blades!

Blades says, "theres yer future"

Blades nods to Setzier.

Blades says, "a headache"

Blades smirks.

Setzier says, "Oh dear Arkati the fog is back"

Setzier flails his arms about.

Setzier squints.

Sayzor says, "Delileah, I don't care who gave it to you or for what reasons. I am talking about pure mechanics here."

Sayzor says, "Your personal life is your own business."

Delileah says, "and if you think as a love relationship that when I give him something... he's leeching from me.. I WILL slap you"

Kaydenjadir says, "I wonder how hard code would be if they changed GS to a graphical interface"

Delileah says, "you are too cold Sayzor"

Rayzor says, "this is a game Delileah...you might be taking this just a bit to seriously."

Sayzor says, "You, as a person...a Rogue...were using a spell. a mechanics, that you did not pay, Development points, for to use."

Delileah asks, "game?"

Delileah says, "I don't see a board in front of me"

Sayzor says, "You had an ability that you had not trained for given to you freely, without cost, which you took advantage of."

Setzier says, "Sayzor is merely stating that you are leeching from Zeilden's magic abilities to help yourself when you did not learn those magic abilities when you were younger."

Sayzor says, "Now, you must train in that ability if you wish to use it."

Delileah says, "what he just said had nothing to do with OOC"

Delileah says, "no.. that's not true"

Sayzor says, "Why am I still awake."

Sayzor chuckles.

Blades says, "see hes not bleeding"

Setzier bends slightly and slaps Blades up'side his head!

Delileah says, "alot of times he lores me in the CY.. and I get mad"

Setzier mutters under his breath.

Rayzor asks, "a glutton for punishment?"

Delileah says, "I coulda done it myself"

Sayzor nods to Rayzor.

Setzier asks, "How could you have done it yourself when you don't have the spell?"

Setzier peers quizzically at Delileah.

Sayzor says, "That's what I feel like right now."

Sayzor chuckles.

Delileah says, "but he's gonns condemn me for taking the imbeddibles my future husband gives me"

Nitefallz asks, "what happens if you never had a husband?"

Setzier stares off into space.

Setzier nods to Nitefallz.

Delileah says, "and I did not ask nor pay for them"

Leanness grins.

Delileah says, "and rarely use them"

Setzier says, "Then you don't deserve them."

Setzier nods to Delileah.

Kahtya says, "oh please, like it's hard to find a friend to imbed"

Sayzor says, "Delileah, as I stated...your personal life has nothing at all to do with a purely mechanics discussion which I was participating in. I am sorry that I failed to understand that you wished to combine the two, however that is nowhere near what I was discussing."

Sayzor smiles.

Dara asks, "do you have trouble opening chests now?"

Aurec says, "Suppose you just find an amulet or whatever lying on the ground. You can use it without ever doing anything in terms of skills or training."

Blades says, "unless it was an amulet i imbed with eblast"

Blades stares off into space.

Delileah asks, "Sayzor? have you EVER been wrong?"

Nitefallz pokes Blades in the ribs.

Sayzor chuckles.

Blades stands up.

(Aurec whispers to Blades, "Mana Focus is better.")

Nitefallz pokes Aurec in the ribs.

Blades looks over at Aurec and shakes his head.

Delileah says, "I beg to disagree"

Kahtya pokes Kaydenjadir in the ribs.

Blades says, "they don't always get hurt with mana focus"

Aurec asks, "Hey, what's wrong with making nodes?"

Blades asks, "they don't always die?"

Sayzor says, "Am I going crazy, or are we talking about the same subject but from two drastically different angles."

Sayzor chuckles.

Setzier nods to Sayzor.

Kahtya says, "different agnles"

Kaydenjadir nods.

Kahtya says, "angles too"

Arkenhold says, "Both"

Nitefallz says, "what was the subject anyway"

Blades says, "angles are bent not curved"

Blades nods.

Kahtya begins chuckling at Blades.

Aurec asks, "Or is it Angels?"

Kahtya says, "kinda like most of my lockpicks will be soon"

Kahtya giggles.

Sayzor says, "Well I thought it was the mechanics of the changes to the Lore spells, and the reason for those changes. I didn't realize that I had made the changes as a personal attack."

Sayzor chuckles.

Kahtya squints at Blades.

Setzier says, "People take things personal anow a days."

Setzier nods to Sayzor.

Rayzor says, "you made me break a pick the other day Sayzor."

Kahtya says, "that's gotta hurt yer pet"

Maneaak rubs Rayzor gently.

Rayzor says, "I can't belive that smooth pick didn't open it right off. Took me two picks."

Rayzor says, "maybe boxes without locks would solve everyones problems. Just push all our lockpicking skill into pickpocketing and call it even."

Delileah says, "so.. rogues pay in two ways for spells... well three.. they neglect things in their program, they give up redux and they pick less as what expected"

Aurec exclaims, "I know. I know! Locks without boxes!"

Setzier says, "Redux was ment for warriors."

Nitefallz begins chuckling at Aurec.

Kahtya sighs.

Sayzor says, "Okay, I'm going to go get some sleep before fantasy clashes with reality again."

Kaydenjadir asks, "I wonder... if there was an absence of boxes all together... who would still survive?"

Blades says, "redux is not out of reach for anyone"

Setzier nods to Blades.

Nitefallz asks, "you got some?"

Delileah says, "I have redux"

Setzier says, "Its out of reach for sorcerers"

Blades says, "maybe i shouldn't say that"

Kahtya says, "it's a nice plus for us though since spells are so expensive to get..we kin nay spell ourselves up too well"

Blades says, "hes semi-magical"

Blades pokes Rayzor in the ribs.

Dara says, "well there are worse things than missing a few boxes"

Rayzor says, "I think I know way to many spells myself."

Sayzor nods to Dara.

Aurec says, "Thank you, Sayzor."

Delileah says, "I don't think rogues should be magical"

Sayzor says, "Good night everyone. It has been a pleasure, and hopefully I will be back on the Boards again soon."

Delileah says, "but I'm willing to deal with it"

Sayzor is englufed by shadows and is gone. You hear a faint snicker which fades slowly away.

Delileah says, "every deep question I had. he chose to ignore"

Kahtya says, "welll, that only lasted up...8 hours"

Nitefallz says, "well spent 8 hours"

Kahtya says, "aye Del, mine too, mostly cause they were the same"

Kahtya shrugs.

Delileah says, "he's a jerk.. and in charge"

Delileah sighs.

Kahtya throws her head back and howls!

Rayzor says, "Delileah no ones out to attack you in any way. I once believed in never having spells myself, but the lure of the lores bent my ways long ago."

Kahtya says, "good I hope I haunt him in his nightmares"

Nitefallz asks, "How many spells ya know, Rayzor?"

Rayzor says, "we couldn't even tripple in disarm or lock picking then."

Delileah says, "he couldn't answer my quesions Rayzor"

Kahtya says, "i will learn through 404 and that's it"

Rayzor says, "I know 27 right now."

Kahtya says, "and I'll never ever stop thinkin woo is too strong for what it is"

Kahtya grumbles.

Kahtya says, "he never addressed that"

Nitefallz says, "untill you learn it"

Kahtya mumbles something that you don't quite catch.

Nitefallz winks at Kahtya.

Delileah says, "I'm forced to get lore.. so I will"

Kahtya says, "i will not Nite"

Maneaak says, "Well I was nere dat good a picker wif lore, Now Im forced wif out it, so nows i gotta quit doublin in CM and Git me 2 more spells"

Maneaak sighs.

Delileah says, "but it will take about 16 training"

Nitefallz rolls his eyes.

Rayzor says, "if you're a pure trippler...you can probably do as well as any with lore."

Rayzor says, "most folks with lore only double and use lore as a crutch."

Kahtya says, "aye, I dropped my picking to 1 or 2 to get the spells, 1 every 3 years"

Delileah says, "I'm NOT a tripler"

Kahtya says, "no you can't Rayzor"

Kahtya says, "i only did it for 14 years yes...but as soon as the changes with lores..pllfft"

Delileah says, "I tripled for a while and now I'm catching up CM ambush anbd brawl"

Maneaak says, "I got 149 in Lockpick at 31"

Nitefallz says, "I alternate tripling between disarm and picking, and spare a spell every 2 years, share every 5"

Kahtya says, "i have that at 23 Maneaak..and I still am not as good a picker as someone with lore, with less trainin"

Maneaak says, "So thas 49 Ranks"

Rayzor says, "no ones perfect out there...no matter how good they seem."

Kaydenjadir says, "I tripled in me first 15 years... but you know what? I fergot to train in shield fer a year or two... was too caught up in picking"

Kaydenjadir sighs.

Rayzor says, "everyone is always guessing whats right or wrong. I'm totally at a loss myself."

Nitefallz says, "I think I'm a horrible picker"

Kahtya says, "well, part of my problem is I don't have the points or the wisdom"

Nitefallz chuckles.

Kahtya says, "but oh well"

Kahtya gibbers incoherently.

Kahtya says, "i'd like that dex option to come in..it'd be nice to have the 100 do some use"

End.

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