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Bush Son Had Dinner Plans With Hinckley Brother Before Shooting The Associated Press Domestic News March 31, 1981, Tuesday, PM cycle HOUSTON
The family of the man charged with trying to assassinate President Reagan is acquainted with the family of Vice President George Bush and had made large contributions to his political campaign, the Houston Post reported today.
The newspaper said in a copyright story, Scott Hinckley, brother of John W. Hinckley Jr., who allegedly shot Reagan, was to have dined tonight in Denver at the home of Neil Bush, one of the vice president's sons.
Scott Hinckley, brother of John W. Hinckley Jr., who allegedly shot Reagan, was to have dined tonight in Denver at the home of Neil Bush, one of the vice president's sons.The newspaper said it was unable to reach Scott Hinckley, vice president of his father's Denver-based firm, Vanderbilt Energy Corp., for comment. Neil Bush lives in Denver, where he works for Standard Oil Co. of Indiana.
In 1978, Neil served as campaign manager for his brother, George W. Bush, the vice president's oldest son, who made an unsuccessful bid for Congress. Neil lived in Lubbock throughout much of 1978, where John Hinckley lived from 1974 through 1980.
On Monday, Neil Bush said he did not know if he had ever met 25-year-old John Hinckley.
"I have no idea," he said. "I don't recognize any pictures of him. I just wish I could see a better picture of him.
From what I know and I've heard, they (the Hinckleys) are a very nice family and have given a lot of money to the Bush campaign."
SHARON BUSHSharon Bush, Neil's wife, said Scott Hinckley was coming to their house as a date of a girl friend of hers.
"I don't even know the brother. From what I know and I've heard, they (the Hinckleys) are a very nice family and have given a lot of money to the Bush campaign. I understand he was just the renegade brother in the family. They must feel awful," she said.
The dinner was canceled, she added.
George W. Bush said he was unsure whether he had met John W. Hinckley.
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DENVER
Scott Hinckley, vice president of Vanderbuilt Energy Co., the
independent oil and gas exploration firm founded by his father in
Texas and moved to Denver in 1974, was secluded with his parents at the
home of a neighbor and not available for comment
on his acquaintance with Bush.
Bush, whose job involves preliminary negotiations between Amoco and
various owners of land for prospective oil and gas
wells, also could not be reached.
Amoco spokesman R.N. Murphy said hundreds of independent energy
companies were moving to Denver in anticipation of the
oil shale and coal development boom on Colorado's Western Slope.
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''It is not unusual for companies to enter into a joint drilling venture
but to my knowledge there are no partnerships between
Amoco and Vanderbuilt Energy,'' said Murphy. ''I have contacts with all
the major companies but I had never heard of Hinckley
until yesterday.
Bush told the Post he knew the Hinckley family because they had made large contributions to the vice president's campaign. He said he could not recall meeting John Hinckley Jr., who shot President Reagan and three other men as they exited the Washington Hilton Hotel Monday. ''I don't recognize any pictures of him,'' Bush said. ''I just wish I could see a better picture of him.'' Sharon Bush said she did not know the suspect. ''They (the Hinckleys) are a nice family ... and have given a lot of money to the Bush campaign,'' she said. ''I understand he (John Hinckley) was just the renegade brother in the family. They must feel awful.'' Another of the vice president's sons, George W. Bush, lived in Lubbock in 1978 and ran unsuccessfully for Congress. Police have said John Hinckley Jr. lived in Lubbock at that time and once attended Texas Tech University. Young George Bush did not recall meeting the suspect. ''It's certainly conceivable that I met him or might have been introduced to him,'' he said. ''I don't recognize his face from the brief, kind of distorted thing they had on TV and the name doesn't ring any bells. ''I know he wasn't on our staff. I could check our volunteer rolls.'' Peter Teeley, the vice president's news secretary, said by telephone from Washington he knew nothing about any Hinckley-Bush family connection. ''I don't know a damned thing about it,'' Teeley told a Post reporter. ''I was talking to someone earlier tonight and I couldn't even remember his (Hinckley's) name. All I know is what you're telling me.'' |
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EVERGREEN, Colo.
A statement released by counsel for Vanderbilt Energy Corp. said the
elder Hinckley had "temporarily relinquished his duties"
as chairman of the Denver-based firm "because of a tragedy involving a
member of his family."
John Hinckley Jr., 25, who was arrested seconds after Reagan was shot in
Washington, was being held Tuesday at a Marine
base in Quantico, Va.
The corporate statement did not mention any change for Scott B.
Hinckley, vice president of operations for Vanderbilt and
brother of John Jr.
The father's move came amid confirmation that the Department of Energy
was reviewing Vanderbilt's books. Jack Vandenberg,
a DOE spokesman in Washington, said auditors met with Scott Hinckley in
Denver on Monday.
The Washington Star quoted an unnamed "White House official" as
confirming that DOE auditors asked for an explanation of an
overcharge when oil price controls were in effect between 1973 and 1981.
The Star said DOE auditors told Scott Hinckley
there was a possible penalty of $2 million for the overcharge.
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The Hinckleys, through attorney James Robinson, issued a brief statement
Tuesday expressing their "deep concern" for
President Reagan and all those involved in Monday's shooting, including
their son, John.
Robinson said the Hinckleys had spoken by telephone to their son Monday night and Tuesday afternoon and were trying to hire a Washington lawyer for him. It was confirmed later in Washington that the Hinckleys had retained the law firm of millionaire defense attorney Edward Bennett Williams. The Hinckleys said they planned to see their son "as soon as possible, but at this time they have no definite travel plans worked out," Robinson said. They sent "personal expressions of sorrow" to the wounded men and their families, he said. The Hinckleys reiterated through Robinson that they have provided psychiatric care for their son in the past, adding that "recent evaluations alerted no one to the seriousness of his condition." William Sells, the Hinckleys' next-door neighbor and in whose home the couple was staying Tuesday, said the couple was "just destroyed" by their son's arrest and the attempt made on Reagan's life. In Washington, an aide to Vice President George Bush disputed a Houston Post report that the Hinckleys made large contributions to Bush's presidential campaign. The aide, Shirley Green, said no record of such a contribution could be found. The Houston newspaper also reported that Scott Hinckley was to have dined Tuesday night in Denver at the home of Neil Bush, one of the vice president's sons. Neil Bush's wife Sharon said Scott Hinckley was coming to their house as the date of one of her girlfriends. "I don't even know the brother," she said. "I understand he was just the renegade brother in the family. They must feel awful." The FBI investigated a bomb threat directed against the Hinckleys on Tuesday, but nothing came of it. The senior Hinckley is described by associates as a devout Christian who belonged to a weekly Bible reading club and recently did work in Africa for a Christian service organization. |
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FORT WORTH, Texas
Although the governor lives in Highland Park and is involved in the oil
business, he said he did not know the family of accused
assassin John W. Hinckley Jr., 25, previously of Highland Park, whose
father is president of Vanderbilt Energy Corp. of
Denver.
Clements said he felt ''horrible'' when he heard Hinckley was from
Texas, the same state in which Lee Harvey Oswald
assassinated President John Kennedy in 1963 and where Mark Chapman,
killer of former Beatle John Lennon, was born.
''This hasn't got anything to do with Texas, but if the news media works
on it long it long enough it could hurt the state,''
Clements said.
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''People in public office always run a risk of this sort of thing. There
will always be unstable people, and this young man
(Hinckley) was unstable.''
Clements said he had not increased his personal security since the assassination attempt Monday in Washington and said he and others in public life accepted the possiblity of having attempts made on their lives as a part of public service. ''Anyone in public life, be it the mayor of Fort Worth, city councilmen or the governor, has to expect there is a certain risk there,'' he said. ''It's just part of it.'' Despite the assassination attempt in which a ''Saturday night special'' was used, Clements said he still opposed strict handgun controls. ''Guns have to be registered in Texas now,'' he said. ''I'm not sure it would help. People will be able to get guns.'' Clements was with Vice President George Bush on Bush's aircraft in Austin a short time after the assassination attempt on Reagan, but would not characterize Bush's mood at the time. He also said he received a call from the White House Monday night but did not say who he received the call from or what was discussed. Clements did say, however, the caller said Reagan was ''doing fine.'' The governor did not comment on the assassination attempt during his address to the cattlemen, more than 2,500 of whom are attending the convention. Bush addressed the convention Monday morning just minutes before Reagan was shot. Air Force Two carrying Bush went to Austin where the vice president met with Clements before returning to Washington. |
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HELENA, Mont.
In his self-published novel, ''The Afternoon of March 30,'' Blumberg
blends fact and fiction in looking at the unreported
''connections'' between Hinckley's family and that of Vice President
George Bush, the man who came within a heartbeat of the
presidency of the United States.
''What I'm really after is the case to be officially reopened,'' said
the Rhodes scholar and former dean of the University of
Montana journalism school. ''If they can answer all the questions
satisfactorily, I'll be delighted,'' he said in an interview. ''In
truth, I don't think all the questions can be answered without opening
up a whole new can of worms.''
Blumberg's unease is now focused on the indifference shown to what he
calls ''the story behind the story.''
Bush, he said, has questions to answer in connection with the attempt.
So do the FBI and the judge who presided over
Hinckley's trial, according to Blumberg.
''I'm not saying there was a conspiracy to assassinate Reagan,''
Blumberg emphasized. ''I'm saying there was a conspiracy to
keep significant information from the public that it has a right to
know.''
Blumberg asks his readers to consider his contentions that:
-- Hinnckley's brother was scheduled to have supper with Bush's son the
day after the assassination attempt, which struck
Blumberg as ''the most remarkable assassination coincidence in the
history of this country.''
-- Thee friendship between the Hinckley and Bush families goes back more
than a decade to their shared conquest of the oilfields
of Texas.
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-- Thee Hinckley oil company was warned, just hours before the shooting,
that it faced a $2-million fine for overpricing oil. The
possible charges were never mentioned after Hinckley's attempt.
-- Thee widely accepted official story that Hinckley was trying to get the attention of actress Jodie Foster was based entirely on a letter that Hinckley was said to have written, but which the public and the media never saw. Blumberg's book attempts to documents those assertions and blasts the nation's journalists for sloth and neglect. He said journalists were fed a barely believable story full of inconsistencies. ''And the press had submitted to this in a way I find unprecedented,'' he said. But Blumberg, a long-time media critic, decided the example warranted more than a critique of press performance in a crisis. Such efforts, he said, usually ''go out there and die.'' Instead, he chose to weave his questions into a novel so it would reach a broader audience and allow him to probe problems in society and corruption in government, as well as maladies of the U.S. press. The book chronicles the adventures of a fictitious Montana newsman who follows the information trail deserted by the national media. His documentation is put in the form of an article the fictitious hero is writing. The professor was living in semi-retirement at his home on the shores of Flathead Lake, near Bigfork, Mont., when he was jarred by a newscast that mentioned the planned supper between Scott Hinckley and Neil Bush. That sparked an intense interest which has grown into an admitted obsession with the assassination attempt. ''So I began looking into it and checking all the papers and right away all sorts of things began cropping up,'' he said. The press, according to Blumberg, underreported anything but the official story of the assassination. He looks skeptically at the theory that Hinckley shot Reagan to impress Foster, who starred in a movie revolving around a similar plot - ''Taxi Driver.'' The novel has been criticized for Blumberg's inexperienced prose style, but praised for its research. However, he has been stung by suggestions that he is crazy or a ''conspiracy nut.'' Blumberg published the book on his own Wood Fire Ashes press to ''retain total control over the quality.'' ''Have you ever heard an author say what a great job his publisher did with a book?'' he asks. But, without a commercial advertising campaign, he's had to market the book in an ''organic, straightforward fashion.'' Blumberg says he mails out several copies of the novel each week and expects it to ''stay alive as long as people continue to care about justice.'' |
This is like the Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon game, right?
Of course, this will get more media coverage than Clinton's R&R in Moscow ever did...
What trash, "he was a date of a girl..." . The smearing here is disgusting. I get really sick of some of you wacko's
Six degrees? It would not be a surprising coincidence were I to know someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows you.
How about walking me thru this just a little?
Un F***ing believable! You guys are getting so desperate, your starting to look like candidates for the looney bin.
>How about walking me thru this just a little?
Sure thing, Dr R.
Author Blumberg does a nice job of summarizing the key points in the last article of the thread, so I'll just quote him:
''I'm not saying there was a conspiracy to assassinate Reagan,'' Blumberg emphasized. ''I'm saying there was a conspiracy to keep significant information from the public that it has a right to know.''Blumberg asks his readers to consider his contentions that:
-- Hinckley's brother was scheduled to have supper with Bush's son the day after the assassination attempt, which struck Blumberg as ''the most remarkable assassination coincidence in the history of this country.''
-- The friendship between the Hinckley and Bush families goes back more than a decade to their shared conquest of the oilfields of Texas.
-- The Hinckley oil company was warned, just hours before the shooting, that it faced a $2-million fine for overpricing oil. The possible charges were never mentioned after Hinckley's attempt.
-- The widely accepted official story that Hinckley was trying to get the attention of actress Jodie Foster was based entirely on a letter that Hinckley was said to have written, but which the public and the media never saw.
Blumberg's book attempts to documents those assertions and blasts the nation's journalists for sloth and neglect.
-- The widely accepted official story that Hinckley was trying to get the attention of actress Jodie Foster was based entirely on a letter that Hinckley was said to have written, but which the public and the media never saw.
I fell for that story as the motive, back when I was a young trooper stationed in Germany.
Man oh man, Wallaby. Look at what you've done. You've opened the flood gates!
"What I'm really after is the case to be officially reopened,'' said the Rhodes scholar and former dean of the University of Montana journalism school.
Probably a Mason too.
"Next!"
When Carl Rowan and the likes of you start attacking GWB, it makes me feel warm and comfy all over!
Don't insult Wallaby. He's just the messenger. And he didn't mention GWB, you did!
It would have taken a lot more than Presidential assassination to get Jodie to give him a second glance, from what I've heard.
I know at least ten people who knew Ronald Reagan and could get an appointment with him. Could I have gotten an appointment with him? Not in a million years! Same with the Pope. Same with George Bush. Do I consider myself "connected" with these people? Not a bit.
Man this is big news I wonder what if anything it has to do with GW Bush? Are we all supposed to know who our brothers know and what impact,if any it will have 19 years later.
What next an interview with the Bush family plumber to see what was pulled out the sewer lines during the past 20 years?
Neil Bush's conduct in connection with the Silverado bank presumably shows that he is somewhat lacking in moral standards. What, by the way, is the chronology of his connection with Silverado.
People here may be interested in this other thread, A CIA AGENT TALKS: Cocaine, assassinations, NWO, Bush, Clinton (Part V) , in which the CIA veteran Gene "Chip" Tatum and his interviewer, the FBI veteran Ted Gunderson, claim that, by the time of National Security Decision Directive 3, issued sometime in 1981, George Bush, Sr. was running the country.
Pardon my ignorance, but this is news to me. Since this news is prior to CNN, I don't know how to interpret it.
You know what they say about coincidences, don't you?
What subsequently became of the Hinckley oil company?
Do you have any info, Wallaby, on the story about how Nancy Reagan purportedly saved her husband's life by bypassing the surgical team and the hospital where he was taken and bringing in her own team of surgeons which, I believe, included at least one of her relatives? I wonder if this anecdote can be verified or rejected as just another 'urban legend'...
Sounds like Klintoon's butt-boys, Car-vile, Terry and IGI, have been at work again...anyone check Hustler's petty cash funds for unusual expenditures lately?
And, your point is?
IF YOUR BROTHER IS A MURDERER DOES THAT MAKE YOU ONE? YOU ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR BROTHERS ACTIONS.
Dang, Wallaby! You go and post some newspaper articles and suddenly you're Thyphoid Mary (or CholeraJoe;-).You REALLY stepped on some lips here!
Let's see now, you're accused of shooting Reagan, Right?
Well, something JUST as bad. You posted articles that raise questions in a reasonable persons mind about the Paragon of all Dynasties, the BUSH FAMILY .
CARTER'S BROTHER WAS A DISGRACE AND CINTON'S BROTHER IS A CONVICTED DOPE DEALER AND HIS SISTER IS A CONVICTED BANK ROBBER AND NO ONE HELD THEM RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.
From time to time, the dogs are unleashed on President George Bush, and his family, on FR, and there is no shortage of strays who'll join the hunt.
Bush pushed drugs, Bush did drugs, Bush tried to have Reagan killed, Bush got Clinton in the White House, Bush's sons are ripping off the taxpayers, Bush's dad and uncle are criminals, Bush ran the CIA therefore he must be a clandestine traitor...
JimRob is right to weed this garden, from time to time. He ought to weed it more.
At the time, I was officing in a converted house on McKinney Avenue in Dallas.
Within sixty minutes of the assasination attempt, there was an FBI guy in the lobby. Seems that Hinckley had once listed this particular house as a residence...
The FBI can sure move quickly...when it wants to.
But does this coincidence mean that I was colluding with Hinckley? Or the Bushes?
>based entirely on a letter that Hinckley was said to have written, but which the public and the media never saw.
I haven't found any story saying that Hinckley's letters or tapes have ever been released. I'd be interested if anyone knows if they have. Here's a story from '88 in which apparently at least one prosecutor found it peculiar that the evidence was still under seal at that point:
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Hinckley's attempt on President Reagan's life on March 30, 1981, was said to be an effort to impress Foster, with whom he
was obsessed after seeing her portray a prostitute in the movie "Taxi Driver."
Prosecutors submitted the correspondence under seal to a federal court judge here two weeks ago, the night before a
scheduled hearing to determine whether Hinckley should be allowed out for the day trip, which would have been supervised by
hospital officials.
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At the hearing before U.S. District Judge Barrington Parker, St. Elizabeths officials abruptly withdrew their proposal after
learning that the Secret Service had uncovered unspecified new writings by Hinckley. Sources identified these writings as
Hinckley's request for Foster's picture.
Jay B. Stephens, U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, said he expected the Hinckley correspondence to be made public at that point. But Hinckley's attorney, Vincent J. Fuller, asked that the documents remain under seal. In papers filed this week, prosecutors argued that "whatever minimal privacy interest Mr. Hinckley may have in the materials at issue . . . is plainly overcome by the strong public interest in open judicial proceedings and in understanding the reasons for the hospital's withdrawal of its request" to allow the field trip. Prosecutors argued that the writings were in the hands of a "third party" who provided them to the Secret Service -- which sources suggested was the mail-order firm. The "third party," prosecutors said, was free to make them public whenever he saw fit. Privately, sources expressed some surprise that the correspondence had not already found its way into news reports. Fuller, Hinckley's attorney, has argued that there is no need to give the public access to his client's correspondence, which he said is protected by Hinckley's privacy and property rights. "By disclosing the sealed documents now, the government hopes to inflame the public passion against Mr. Hinckley," Fuller said in pleadings submitted to Parker. Hinckley, who was committed indefinitely to St. Elizabeths after he was acquitted of Reagan's shooting on grounds of insanity, was prevented from leaving the hospital to visit his parents last year when hospital officials found photos of Foster in his room. Hinckley's room was searched after a psychiatrist testified that he had written to Theodore Bundy, a multiple murderer now on Florida's death row. |
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Bmp.
Unadulterated crapola!
Where does Jody Foster fit into all this?
>And, your point is?
See my reply to Doctor Raoul here
Don't forget Brady (as in the Brady bill) got to the hospital before Reagan did-The SS said that they "got lost" on the way.
So the Bushs had RR shot? Were they on their way to the weekly coke run? Did Barbara toss the leg of the small child she was eating into the air when she heard that their good friends had come through for them and shout Yippie! ? Ill bet she did...those Bushes ....you know they all have shifty eyes....and I hear they went to Ivy league schools and you know what that means....wink,wink
I had never heard that Brady/SS tidbit before...
Took the ambulance drivers one heck of a long time to get Princess Diana to the hospital too... [Just a passing thought - - no "coinkydink" intended.]
I had never heard that Brady/SS tidbit before...
Took the ambulance drivers one heck of a long time to get Princess Diana to the hospital too... [Just a passing thought - - no "coinkydink" intended.]
I had never heard that Brady/SS tidbit before...
Took the ambulance drivers one heck of a long time to get Princess Diana to the hospital too... [Just a passing thought - - no "coinkydink" intended.]
If Neil was responsible and the rest of the family was not, it seems to me they had a responsibility to turn him in.
I don't believe that about all crimes, but this one, if true, would really have been reprehensible.
The spin of your little summary seems to be that George Bush senior and son Neil were conspiring with the Hinckleys to have Reagan killed so that Bush could become president. Of all the nutso threads that have been started around here, this surely is the nuttiest, and there was certainly very stiff competition.
many will accuse you of posting this to discredit w.
i remember the houston post stories immediately after the attempted assassination. serious questions remain unanswered, and like the jfk assassination, will probably never be answered.
it is a curious thing that many of the supposed assassins appear to have been brainwashed and manifest multiple personality disorder: the assassins and attemped assassins of jfk, rfk, john lennon, and ronald reagan and others.
read fenton bresler's "who killed john lennon?" before you laugh at this post. it includes information on the rfk assassin. there are only two places that they want these assassins: dead or locked away in loony bins for the rest of their lives, so that competent psychiatrists cannot examine them.
What the heck are you talking about?? =JimRob= believes there is a connection between Bush and cocaine running. Where's he gonna start "weeding"?
You can thank AP, UPI, and The Washington Post for this posting.
"weed the garden"
A lot of wierd threads have appeared in the last two days. Maybe some are just getting in thier last shot. Then again maybe some or just testing the waters.
Wednesday should be a very interesting day as Jim starts pulling those weeds out his garden.
In case you missed this thread --- More .
Jodie, doesn't fit with any man except in the movies and Hinkley fantasies. I worked with one of Truman's drinking buddies, but I didn't drop the A-bomb, honest.
This is all old news.
thanks for the link.
i've read john decamp's book. and i have personal experience while working in the field of psychology that the government is involved in this. innocent therapists that stumble upon these people are often attacked by the media, the cia, and their henchmen.
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DENVER
Vanderbilt announced Monday that it had received a proposed remedial
order calling for a $790,241 settlement from the
Department of Energy after an audit of the stripper well sales.
A stripper well is one that produces fewer than 10 barrels of oil per
day.
The Post quoted a source, who asked not to be identified, as saying ''it
could be one inference that could be drawn from the
facts'' when asked if an audit of the company might have been protracted
because of the assassination attempt.
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''Another inference is that it's in retaliation for an unpopular jury
verdict,'' the source said.
In an official statement, Vanderbilt said the ''routine audit'' of the stripper well properties was begun by DOE in February 1981. ''On March 30, 1981 (the day of the Reagan shooting), while the audit was still in progress, information was leaked to the press by a government official claiming Vanderbilt had overcharged purchasers by approxiamately $2 million.'' James Dodd, an Enid, Okla., lawyer representing Vanderbilt, who said he had visited ''ever one of the wells,'' aid the government's overcharge allegations were completely ''fraudlent.'' He vowed to fight ''tooth and nail'' the settlement of the alleged overcharges. The Vanderbilt statement noted that ''as a result of additional audit work by the DOE and meeting with advisers retained by Vanderbilt, the alleged overcharges were first reduced to $1.4 million and a few days later to $800,00.'' Vanderbilt received the proposed settlement ''claiming that overcharges on the sale of crude oil at stripper prices are now $509,404, plus interest due of $280,347.'' The company said the ''alleged violations stem from differing interpretations made by Vanderbilt and the DOE of the extremely complex regulations governing such matter.'' Vanderbilt said it used an ''officially prescribed method'' in pricing the oil, but ''the DOE maintains it is not the preferred one.'' |
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So Hinkley and Bush killed Kennedy. It all makes sense now!
I was just joshing.
I was just joshing.
"Of all the nutso threads that have been started around here, this surely is the nuttiest, and there was certainly very stiff competition."
It's enlightening that Wallaby has posted a series of published newspaper articles from the past that deal with the persons peripherial to an attempt to assassinate Reagan, and HE is accused of something sinister.
The mere mention of the name Bush has a serious, mind clouding polarization capability unlike even the topic of Slick and his adventures. Why is it that a political dynasty like the bush family is so protected? Reminds me of the Kennedy's from years gone by :-)
"So Hinkley and Bush killed Kennedy. It all makes sense now!"
No, I think Hinkley might have been too young. Now Bush.....
I referred to his summary. And no, I don't think the guy is "sinister", just a nut, or at least affecting a darn good imitation of one.
Usually someone named Lulu posts this bullshit, but she always says that GW and Jeb had dinner with the Hinkley parents at a restaurant the night before the assassination attempt. This seems to be a new version.
So, you're trying to say, with your very subtle teal high-light, that the Bush family tried to kill President Reagan, right?
Where have you been for the last 15 years?
I still don't get the point. As I recall, Hinckley's dad worked for an oil company, he didn't own one. And the fact that the Bushes and the Hinkleys both were involved with oil companies is not much of a coincidence in Texas. The Hinkleys were well off and contributed to the Bush campaigns, not really surprising, either. The fact that one of the Hinckley sons ran in the same social circuit as Neil Bush's wife should not be that surprising either. So, that leaves us with one normal son and one crazy son, big deal.
I really strongly dislike Shrub who is indeed a dud, but this thread makes him smell like a rose in comparison. This isn't even mediocre circumstancial evidence of anything.
So tell the truth, you are generating sympathy for him, aren't you? ;-)
Sorry, you'll have to blame the Jodie Foster connection on Ms. Foster herself. She has the letters, she has the proof and she's the one who won't discuss Hinkley because...as she has stated a million times...she doesn't want to encourage any other whackos or get Hinkley going again by thinking she knows he's alive.
Shame on you, Wallaby. You've gone and posted AP and UPI articles that Deb doesn't like to read! Next time check in with her first, please?
MOst of us here probably agreed that there is some strange crap passed around regarding the attempt on Ronaldus Magnus. However, these 10+ year old articles are merely interesting reading such as Batboy stories with about the same amount of importance and truth as them.
I remember this when it came out but it never seemed to pan out. I am still waiting a live interview with Batboy too.
Then there was also an attempt to link Hinckley's dad because of his Christian connections. Pretty pathetic.
I seem to remember you showing up and approving of the thread accusing President Bush of assassinating JFK. Guess you and Boyd will be real busy from now till the election keeping these Bush bashing threads bumped :)
From Chapter -XVII- The Attempted Coup D'Etat of March 30, 1991
"George Bush was visiting Texas that day. Bush was flying from Fort Worth to Austin in his Air Force Two Boeing 707. In Fort Worth, Bush had unveiled a plaque at the Hyatt Regency Hotel, the old Hotel Texas, designating it as a national historic site. This was the hotel, coincidentally, in which John F. Kennedy had spent the last night of his life, before going on to Dallas the next day, November 22, 1963. Here was a sinister symbolism!"
(note from Patriot76...boy do they love to insert symbolism when they do something big)
Not more than five hours after the attempt to kill Reagan, on the basis of the most fragmentary early reports, before Hinckley had been properly questioned, and before a full investigation had been carried out, a group of cabinet officers chaired by George Bush had ruled out a priori any conspiracy. Haig, whose memoirs talk most about the possibility of a conspiracy, does not seem to have objected to this incredible decision. From that moment on, "no conspiracy" became the official doctrine of the US regime, for the moment a Bush regime, and the most massivew efforts were undertaken to stifle any suggestion to the contrary. The iron curtain came down on the truth about Hinckley. "What was the truth of the matter? The Roman common sense of Lucius Annaeus Seneca (who had seen so many of Nero's intrigues, and who would eventually fall victim to one of them) would have dictated that the person who would have profited most from Reagan's death be scrutinized as the prime suspect. That was obviously Bush, since Bush would have assumed the presidency if Reagan had succumbed to his wounds.
The same idea was summed up by an eighth grade student at the Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington DC who told teachers on March 31: "It is a plot by Vice President Bush to get into power. If Bush becomes President, the CIA would be in charge of the country." The pupils at this school had been asked for their views of the Hinckley assassination attempt of the previous day. [fn 17]"
There is much more at the above link.
It's all just co-incidence. Just like all the dead bodies associated with Slick and his rise to fame and glory and moanica and stuff. Fair enough? Everything can be explained.
But Why all these co-incidences and then "BANG", somebody gets shot?
And he didn't mention GWB, you did
A little touchy tonight perhaps?
>Where have you been for the last 15 years?
Hi Deb. I didn't know until yesterday that Neil Bush was to have dinner with Hinckley's brother on March 31, 1981 . I was surprised to find the wire story, and when I found how few papers picked it up, and the short half-life of the report, I could understand why I never had heard of this before.
Just curious: If I'd found several wire stories linking the Hinkleys with Roger Clinton would you still object to my teal highlighting?
Looks to me like Neil Bush hired John Hickley, through his brother Scott, to kill Reagan so that George Bush, then Vice President, could become president. Seems pretty open and shut to me. (Just kidding.)
Where's he gonna start "weeding"?
Right under the front porch.
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Hinkley represented during his trial by attorney Greg Craig -- the guy who represented Clinton during his impeachment "trial"?
Additionally, I believe Condoleezza Rice would have been in graduate school in Denver at the time of Reagan's assasination attempt under the tutalege of Maddy Albright's dad, Josef Korbel. You may want to try and find out if they were family friends of the Hinkley's as well.
"I remember this when it came out but it never seemed to pan out. I am still waiting a live interview with Batboy too.
Bat Boy...did somebody say Bat Boy???
"I seem to remember you showing up and approving of the thread accusing President Bush of assassinating JFK. Guess you and Boyd will be real busy from now till the election keeping these Bush bashing threads bumped :)"
Just trying to draw you out of your reclusive nature, Deb.
Really, if Wallaby keeps finding information like this, and all youse guys get on the thread, heck, I'm a fun guy! I'll join in, rub elbows with the big guys (sinkspur), let my eyes rove around looking for Theresa :-) Maybe even taunt you with the prospect of posting my photo :-)
BTW, please don't bring that trouble-maker Boyd into our discussion. He just gets folks riled up posting stuff like Wallaby does.
hospital officials found photos of Foster in his room.
Found pictures of Vince Foster? Incredible!
NDCORUP is the famous (and only) FReeper who has posted links to a nutcase who insists that President George Bush is a pedophile.
He's a specimen.
Look, alot of Texans are in the oil business, alot of these oil people are Republicans and one of them happened to have a mentally ill kid.
You need to go easy with Deb. She has been very despondent lately�she's been involved in a custody battle over the cats ever since she and Jeter broke up.
Very rarely, I'm embarrased by one of the posts here. Very rarely.
BTW, Bush's grandfather had a secret pact with Hitler to create Y2K and split the Spam profits. Most people don't know this, because they are dumb sheep. Go Pat Go.
"she's been involved in a custody battle over the cats ever since she and Jeter broke up."
I wasn't aware of that before I got smart with Deb. I'm ashamed.
Deb, if you just cut those cats right down the middle, lengthwise, you can share them equally. Try them with Curry. Tastes like Chicken! :-)
"Found pictures of Vince Foster? Incredible!"
They were Nudes. Now Hillary's out to get HIM!
"Just curious: If I'd found several wire stories linking the Hinkleys with Roger Clinton would you still object to my teal highlighting?"
THAT would be O.K. with Deb, Betcha! But only if you used that pink/lavender that she prefers.
John Hinckley is a paranoid schizophrenic who developed an erotomanic delusion about Jody Foster after seeing her in a movie with assassination as part of the plot, as I recall. He believed that he would kill Reagan to prove his worthiness to her, they would marry, and move into the White House. His parents wrote an interesting and informative book about John and his psychosis. I read it years ago and don't remember the title, sorry.
Interesting set of symptoms from a Freudian standpoint, however, as it more or less recreates the basis of the Oedipus complex (kill dad and marry Mom.)
Mom? Oh yeah, one other tidbit for the skeptics--Joanne Hinckley's nickname was Jody.
A thread like this could be a logic professor's dream. Here you post a few articles from the mainstream press, and all these sad folks come unglued.
BTW, Bush's grandfather had a secret pact with Hitler to create Y2K and split the Spam profits. Most people don't know this, because they are dumb sheep.
As an example, I give you that. Now, I'm uncertain how to classify this bit of logic. Is it reductio ad absurdum? Is it the straw man gambit? Is it ad hominem? Is it all three rolled into one? Sure would be a good one for a test question.
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Hinkley (sic) represented during his trial by attorney Greg Craig -- the guy who represented Clinton during his impeachment "trial"?
I don't know, but someone out there might.
The tin-foil hat people have been taking history lessons from liberal Oliver Stone again.
Next we're hear that William Seward and Andrew Johnson "were in on" the conspircy to kill Lincoln! (Haven't you heard, John Wilkes Booth was FRAMED by U.S. Grant!)
>Greg Craig ... the guy who represented Clinton during his impeachment "trial"?
This isn't the first time that Washington attorney and former Hill aide Greg Craig signed on to help a famous politician survive a titillating scandal fraught with allegations of impropriety and questionable conduct.(from "INVESTIGATING THE PRESIDENT New White House Aide Has Hill Scandal Experience," Amy Keller and John Bresnahan, Roll Call September 17, 1998)Craig - who was tapped earlier this week to "quarterback" President Clinton's legal defense strategy and to craft the White House's response to independent counsel Kenneth Starr's damaging report - served as Sen. Ted Kennedy's (D-Mass.) lawyer back in 1991 when the Senator's career was nearly undone by the infamous Palm Beach controversy.
That fiasco erupted over Easter weekend in 1991, when a vacationing Kennedy roused his son and nephew, William Kennedy Smith, out of bed to go nightclub- hopping in Palm Beach, Fla. Smith was later charged with raping a woman in the course of that evening - he was eventually acquitted - but Kennedy's own reputation was sullied and his career endangered as the story made national headlines and he was forced to testify at the trial.
If Kennedy owes any part of his political resurrection to Craig, then Clinton may have hired just the right guy, and in a prepared statement, the Senator praised Clinton's choice.
"Greg is a wonderful friend and outstanding lawyer with great ability, sound judgment, and an extraordinary commitment to public service," Kennedy said of Craig, who also served as a foreign policy adviser on his staff from 1984 to 1989. "He did a brilliant job as foreign policy adviser on my staff in the 1980s, and he's been a wise and trusted adviser ever since. The President's made an excellent choice."
In more recent days, the Harvard-educated Craig has been camping out in the State Department advising Secretary of State Madeleine Albright on Tibetan issues - but it's Craig's legal career that has earned him noticeably more fame and appearances on TV shows like CNBC's "Geraldo."
During his years in private law practice at the D.C. firm Williams & Connolly, Craig - who got to know the Clintons when the power couple was attending law school at Yale and he was making waves as an anti-war activist - was the attorney who represented Ronald Reagan shooter John Hinckley and successfully defended him using an insanity defense. (Ironically, Hinckley, it was later revealed, had stalked a number of politicians over the years, including Kennedy.)
But besides Craig's legal prowess, Clinton defenders are hoping Craig can help fill the communications gap between Clinton and the Hill. As Clinton adviser Doug Sosnik told The Associated Press, "He's thought of as a good bridge between the political world and the legal world. People on Capitol Hill know him as someone they can work with and someone they can trust."
He was also fond of posting that Lucianne Goldberg and Linda Tripp were CIA!! One of my faves.
Bada-bing, bada-boom.
Thanks...
Gut and fry up all the cats you want...I'm a dog person and Skuttlebutt is a lying asshole.
One thing to consider in all this is is the debunking of the Jodie Foster madness attributed to Hinckley valid?
Deb, I think I'm on your side at least in this post, though I do tend to think conspiracies in general may be as likely as loner crazy assassins when it comes to assassinations in general, one man's opinion not based on scientific analysis here.
At any rate on a prior post on a thread I started on how Hinkley Jr. may get out of jail soon (has he already?), the article mentioned that they were reviewing whether to let Hinkley Jr. go at one point and they found a whole bunch of Jodie Foster pictures in his prison cell. Not kidding here this was in the article.
I respect Jodie Foster's acting ability so it is somewhat distasteful to talk about this here, but as the subject is being mentioned in an intriguing discussion here, I wanted to make this point about additional possible Jodie Foster obsession or is this more planting of myth?
Keep up the good digging, always amazed at the interesting stuff you find.
Even if a wild goose chase is initiated, not saying it is or has been or is being, but even if one was, the facts should be examined.
Assuming you didn't just "become aware" of this timely news item from some tootholess e-mailer, I guess it never would have occurred to you that "so few newspapers picked it up" because it didn't mean anything...there was nothing to it...it was meaningless. Unless you're one of those bright stars who believe the press has been protecting GHW Bush over the past 19 years. Yeah, you probably are.
WRT Roger Clinton, since he's been in prison for drug dealing, drug use and drug distribution, plus has a white trash party-boy history consisting of public drunkedness, hustling women and fathering illegimate children, the connection would be somewhat more believable that he would be having dinner with the family of the Hinkleys. So you can shove your veiled accusation of hypocrisy on my part, up your ass.
In his self-published novel, ''The Afternoon of March 30,'' Blumberg blends fact and fiction in looking at the unreported ''connections'' between Hinckley's family and that of Vice President George Bush, the man who came within a heartbeat of the presidency of the United States.
The novel was self-published because no self-respecting publisher would print this drivel. Don't you think that publishing firms hostile to the Reagan/Bush administration would jump at the chance to publish this if there were a shred of evidence to support his lunatic assertions? Or is this analysis too much for your marsupial intelligence?
While Blumberg is blending fact and fiction I've got something else you can blend.
The last I heard Hinkley was approved to have supervised visits with his family. I think the Reagans were against it, Jodie Foster wouldn't comment publicly, but was said to be against it and the Clinton White House was all for it.
Haven't heard or read a word about it since then. I do remember the thread that stated more pictures of Foster had been found in Hinkley's cell and letters to her too.
Does that make her Jodie Foster Mother?
Don't you have anything a little more au courant?
Like 1986?
Where does Jodi Foster fit into all of this?
Maybe she was an honorary member of Skull and Bones while at Yale, perhaps even serving as a cheerleader to the boys during their chess and checker matches...
My, so many are sounding and sounding like donkeys, each with an old set of leather blinders on. Funny how their rhetoric changes when its their boy that's on the whipping post.
Here is some back-up:
----------------<< Notes from Our Ruler Bush >>-----------------
12/09/98
Excerpts from a talk given by Lt. Col. "Bo" Gritz in Mesa,
Arizona on April 4, 1992.
In Mesa, I met with him [Cleon Skaas(?)] and I said, "Why in the
world did Ronald Reagan sell us down the tube by taking George
Bush as his running mate?" And I really didn't know that Cleon
knew Ronald Reagan rather well. But he told me: He said, "Bo,
George Bush was Ronald Reagan's greatest opponent," (if you'll
remember, back in the 1980 elections), "and Ronald Reagan said he
would never have him. Then, Ronald Reagan was invited to New
York to go see Rockefeller. When he saw Rockefeller, he was
told, 'If you do not take my head of the Trilateral Commission'"
(remember, the Council on Foreign Relations, George Bush) "'as
your running mate, the only way you'll see the inside of the
White House is as a tourist.'"
Two months after he was inaugurated, two months is all that
Ronald Reagan lasted. March 30th, 1981, two months after his
inauguration in January of 1981, he was shot -- was he not? And
the news said that he was shot by John Hinckley, Jr., and that
John Hinckley, Jr., was some kind of a Jodie Foster freak. And
that he came out of nowhere, and that he shot Brady in the head,
and he shot a policeman in the neck, and he shot a Secret Service
man and blew him back over the vehicle, and he shot Ronald
Reagan. Right?
Well, remember the hardware. That's why I gave you a little
introduction... I did. [Gritz had talked earlier about some
sophisticated "tools of the trade."] Soon as I see this stuff I
begin to wonder, because I've been a part of these kinds of
operations. Let's just go back and review. It's all in the book
[*Called to Serve*(?)], and so, very quickly I'll run down
through you.
When Brady was shot, no question. Here we've got John Hinckley,
Jr., Oh, by the way, is John Hinckley, Jr., just some kind of a
"weirdo?" Isn't it strange that John Hinckley, Sr., is the owner
of Vanderbilt Oil? And, of course, George Bush is the owner of
Zapata Oil. Was it a coincidence, then, that John Hinckley, Sr.,
and George Bush are neighbors *for years* in Houston, Texas,
working together? Is it any coincidence that John Hinckley, Sr.,
when you go back through the FEC, the Federal Election
Commission, his own record of giving maximum donations every year
to Mr. Bush even when he started running for Congress. Well now,
does that make his son, John Hinckley, Jr., seem a little bit
less of a coincidence? I think it does. Here's why:
When the President was shot, if you'll remember, he was pushed
into the car by a man named Jerry Parr(sp?) that was his Secret
Service guard. Jerry Parr fell on top of him and, I just saw in
the *Reader's Digest* where Jerry Parr was telling his "valiant
story." And the limousine tore off, didn't it? Now it was *five
minutes later* that the ambulance arrived and they put the Secret
Service man, the Washington, D.C. policeman, and Brady in the
ambulance and *it* roared off. Using normal time-rate/distance,
who should have arrived at George Washington University Hospital
first? The President should have. Well, who did? You know it's
a trick question. The ambulance arrived 15 minutes before the
President. When asked, "What happened?" the Secret Service
simply responded, "We got lost."
The Secret Service does not get lost in Washington, D.C. They
don't get lost in most places of the world. And so, now the
investigation starts to get a little interesting. When they take
Ronald Reagan in, they can see that he... matter of fact, his
heart almost stopped. And he is convulsing; there's blood on his
lips. They know he's hurt... seriously. But they can find no
wounds. They X-ray him *3 times* and can find nothing.
Finally, a nurse notices a tiny entrance wound right at the
seventh rib, underneath the armpit. And a doctor takes a probe,
and by... very carefully, because they couldn't see it on X-ray,
the doctor is able to extract what he said was a planchet,
thinner than a dime, that was one-quarter inch from Ronald
Reagan's aorta.
Now, Ronald Reagan says... as a matter of fact, let me just see
if I can just read it to you... best what Ronnie says. I've got
all this in the book... This came right out of a newspaper:
I knew I had been hurt, but I thought that I'd been hurt by
the Secret Service man landing on me in the car. As it
was, I must say it was the most paralyzing pain. I've
described it as if someone hit you with a hammer. But the
sensation, it seemed to me, came after I was in the car and
so I thought that maybe his gun or something had broken a
rib. I set up on the seat, and the pain wouldn't go away
-- and suddenly, I found I was coughing up blood.
Now you see, to almost anyone else you might say, "Well, just
some kind of a fluke." But I'm a skeptic. Because I know how
these things have happened ever since they "took out" John
Fitzgerald Kennedy. I think maybe JFK was the last honest
President that we had...
But of course, we know now that Kennedy was as much a cheat as Bill Clinton.
Holy smokes, Wall, you've really stirred up a hornet's nest. I mean, the Dubya lemmings are acting like you said the shot came from the Bushy Knoll. ;-)
The Washington Hilton, where the shooting occurred, is a one-mile, five-minute [max] ride by ambulance to George Washington University Hospital.
Were JFK president today he very likely would be considered a conservative.
*Tax-cuts
*Intending to get out of Vietnam [compare to Clinton's adventure in Serbia]--I received FOIA documents which corroborates this; former Congressman Henry Gonzalez also told me this directly in a conversation from a call I made to a radio talk show that JFK had told him that
*Intending to abolish the CIA, the Establishment's [not so covert] enforcer
*Online to circulate money already printed up out of the Treasury Department [backed by silver], ultimately to do away with the Federal Reserve [just as the bill Ron Paul presently has before Congress]
*Eliminating/reducing the oil depletion allowance
Here's a bit of an historical refresher: Seven people were hanged as co-conspirators in the Lincoln assassination.
"This is old news."
Now where have I heard that line before...
no reason to be embarassed. the bushes and browns were selling oil to hitler until 1941 when a congressional investigation told them to stop it.
"He was also fond of posting that Lucianne Goldberg and Linda Tripp were CIA!! One of my faves."
NANA, Deb. It was NANA that good ol' Lucy was tied to.
Stole my thought exactly.......... I gotta get a bigger tin foil hat.
"Gut and fry up all the cats you want...I'm a dog person"
I really like them best (cats) baked. Don't forget the Curry!
Dog is excellant mixed equally with Pheasant and made into Eggrolls. Try dipping them in a mixture of Soy sauce and vinegar. Or hot sweet/sour mustard. Delicious, but not for everybody! :-)
Gosh, all you did was post an article, no conclusions, no connect the dots, just a silly old newspaper report. People sure do get riled up easy.
Lol I had better watch what I say for a freeper is sure to post a picture. Let's see I am thinking about Sophia Loren. Go to it.
Bush pushed drugs, Bush did drugs, Bush tried to have Reagan killed, Bush got Clinton in the White House, Bush's sons are ripping off the taxpayers, Bush's dad and uncle are criminals, Bush ran the CIA therefore he must be a clandestine traitor...
None of this would have been pushed if Pat would've stayed on Crossfire, where he belongs. His cult is out of control.
"Our boy at the whipping post?" Is GHWB running for President again?
"Our boy at the whipping post?" Is GHWB running for President again?
My brother is a mechanic and I can't even change oil.
WHAT A POST!
I can see clearly now, the media(rain) is gone
I can see all media(obsticles) in my way.
Gone are the dark media(clouds) that had me blind.
Going to be bright, bright sun shinny DRUDGE(day).
Your wish is my command! :)
What up wif dat? Pre-emptive strike?
Here, I've passed on numerous 'young Bush' stories in the last several months, but I'm malleable.
be nice.
genius to goat, depending on the 'message'.
Agendas are like southern apertures...everybody has one.
I guess it never would have occurred to you that "so few newspapers picked it up" because it didn't mean anything...there was nothing to it...it was meaningless.Now that the flames have simmered down, let me try to respond to this point and to some of the others raised on this thread.
Some kindhearted and friendly posters have responded in my defense that I was only posting wire stories, after all. While I appreciate their support, I won't pretend that is all I was doing. Of course, I select which stories to post and which ones are not worth posting.
Why then did I post this one? Do I believe that Bush conspired to kill Reagan and that this post is part of a case that proves such a horrible allegation? No. On the other hand, do I believe that the story is meaningless, as you wish you could believe? No. Nor do I think you are a hypocrite. For, I think you and the others who became so abusive toward me are genuinely fearful of the potential significance that a story like this has. You say you'd be more inclined to believe that Roger Clinton had a dinner engagement with the Hinckleys than that Neil Bush did. Please. First, you know enough about social class to know that Roger Clinton's having dinner with the Hinckleys is as likely as a royal flush. Second, you know that the wire stories leave little doubt about the fact that generated the storyline for this post. The Bushes themselves didn't deny it. Yet, those who acted as though they didn't understand the potential significance of this post were really curious about something else: my motives for posting this story.
So again: Why this post? Since you are an oldtimer, let me draw an analogy to the old days on FR. Almost two years ago, when I posted one of Chris Ruddy's stories, a report that Ron Brown had a circular hole in his head, I was not trying to "say" that Ron Brown was murdered, nor that Clinton murdered him. I was trying to inform people of a fact that had enormous potential significance. The fact that four forensic professionals were willing to put their names behind the claim that the pictures in that story were of Ron Brown's head was a fact that carried great potential significance. It did not have to be "explained" or "spun". My motives were not the issue. Similarly, the above wire stories make it clear that there is no disputing the connection between the Hinckleys and the Bushes. Though your heated remarks occasionally waffle on this point, there is really no way around that uncomfortable fact. And it is an uncomfortable fact. No homicide detective would ignore taking a long look at those who stand to benefit from a death.
Now, does this story really have sinister implications? Maybe not. But I think it belongs on this forum just as surely as the story about the hole in Ron Brown's head.
"But I think it belongs on this forum just as surely as the story about the hole in Ron Brown's head. "
From one oldtimer to another:
Indeed, it does [belong on this forum].
Hey, I know better than to question your motives. Nor have I.
I agree that the stories bear posting, on their own merit. But I don't know that any conclusion, beyond mere coincidence, can be drawn from them.
That the Hinckleys and the Bushes, both from Texas, both in the oil business, would know each other is no surprise.
That the Hinckley stripper well business would be involved with some kind of regulatory nightmare is no surprise, given the arcane regulations that came out of the OPEC price-fixing.
That Neil Bush was scheduled to host Scott Hinckley for dinner the night after the assassination attempt is, to say the least, bizarre. But I don't know that any sinister conclusion follows.
On the other hand, a round hole, .45" in diameter, in somebody's head suggests that a sinister conclusion might be in order.
Perhaps, though, I'm drawn to the coincidental version by virtue of my own coincidental connection to the event...
okie01,
My above reply was written to Deb. I just meant to cc you and the others. Sorry I didn't make that more clear.
-w
I think we are in substantial agreement. I think the connection might be coincidental, and it might not be. I found the story while searching for articles on another line I was investigating. It took me by surprise and I thought others deserved to learn of it.
Yes it does belong on this forum... let's hope it survives many BUMPS through December 1 when the FR clean-up job is scheduled to begin!
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the Dubya lemmings are acting like you said the shot came from the Bushy Knoll. ;-)
A thread like this could be a logic professor's dream. Here you post a few articles from the mainstream press, and all these sad folks come unglued. Judging from the foul language and arch attempts at impugning the messenger (if not the vintage media) ... there may be something to these stories after all. It's like you're threatening to move the morphine out of reach that keeps everyone comfortably numb when it comes to accepting the overwhelming corruption of only our enemies. Our side being way too moral to indulge in (if not too incredibly lunkheaded to effectively counter) such activities.
When you think about it, it's as if WE HAVE been the "better" at the game all along. Always a bright side, baby.
Next thing you know, it'll be Clinton defending the Bush's ill treatment by his own (if not the "real" journalists). After all, fair is fair when it comes to plea bargaining for or defense of one's ideological, political and moral antithesis!
Night Wallaby!
FORBES IS DOING THIS HUH DEB????
I think Lunatic Fringe is more appropriate...
You're good-verry good.
I appreciate your posting this. I heard the following from a reliable source:
During Reagan's first campaign, he said he would not accept Bush as his VP running mate. Two days later he did a complete reversal and announced publicly that Bush would be his running mate. Jerry Falwell was a big supporter of Reagan and asked him why he suddenly changed his mind. Reagan's response was (paraphrasing): "Nancy and I have just experienced the worst two days of our lives and that's all I'm going to say about it."
And I heard from "a reliable source" that jedediah smith was romanically involved with a pink, cross-dressing, french poodle. Word has it, Chip Tatum assassinated the poodle because it was a double agent for the Sandinistas. Tatum is currently on the run and in hiding.
Developing...
Well, looks like he's got his information down real good from the get-go. His chapter title only misses the date of the assassination attempt by 10 years. Hope the rest of his facts are as rigorously checked.
Fine,now we know who killed Kennedy, but who ate Gilbert Grape ? And who killed that fifth of Jack Daniels in the desk drawer???
Thanks.........we needed that.
Did you check anything else? I saw it too and I can quibble about misprints from the paper or books every day if I want to.
What desperate, sick people there are out there. . .
Clinton at least earned his 'smears'. . .
While I'm at it ... with regard to "they" and Reagan.
I think all of us have conspiracy overload. When I see Orrin Hatch tell me Louis Freeh and Janet Reno are "honorable", I want to wretch.
We can't handle anymore bad guys. We don't even know if there ARE any good guys. Our government is in a state of lawlessness with no heroes. Everybody is pretending nothing is wrong.
Even the heroes like Drudge soft peddle on the "Clinton Body Count". Why does Drudge dodge that one?
It's FRINGE?? Fringe? My God in heaven man, there are no fringes. We are in freefall.
"I think all of us have conspiracy overload."
I've thought about that more than once.
It'll keep you off the creepy sites for days at a time, but then there is that ever-present LURE...
and then you are willed to visit CNN and ABC and PMSNBC and the rest of the 'creepy' sites just to make sure you're right.
Doing my part to start the New Year off Right!
Still trying to light the fireworks! :-)
Just hate to see this much good info go into the background :-)
Posting all this cr@p again is not going to get one single vote for Pat. Pat has had it. Learn to live with it.
Sure. bump. :-)
How about Allan Keyes?
Thanks for this post. I don't understand why the assassination attempt on Reagan is not ever mentioned as one of the top stories of the century. Even on a forum such as this where the mainstream is unanamiously distrusted,the assassination attempt on Reagan is not given much attention. A major course of history was within millimeters of being changed. Clinton deserves to be demonized, but our government did not start to rot when he showed up on the stage of history. A careful examination tells us its been rotting for a long time.
Hinckley's brother was scheduled to have supper with Bush's son the day after the assassination attempt, which struck Blumberg as "the most remarkable assassination coincidence in the history of this country.
Just for the record, I feel the most remarkable assassination coincidence was that of John Wilkes Booth's brother and Lincoln's son. It seems that at a railroad station in Washington DC, a couple of years before Lincoln was shot, a man fell on the tracks in front of an oncoming train. Another man standing on the platform reached down and pulled the first man out of the way in the nick of time. The man who had fallen on the tracks was Lincoln's son and the man who saved his life was Booth's brother.
Maybe one of the Bush's pushed him or something. I bet Oliver Stone would know.
What is your agenda? Is it to do your utmost to see Bush fail, like Perot & Bush Sr. or to help Buchanan win? If it is the first, you are a democrat & a disrupter, if its the second I really don't know what to call you. How about misguided? confused? not in touch with reality? Buchanan had his time in the spotlight & he wasn't chosen, he's not going to be chosen this time.
How is the reporting of interesting connections in a small world 'smearing'?
You didn't mention Allan Keyes. I support both of them at this time. They've both been consistant and definitive in their views. I haven't seen another candidate as consisistant or outspoken, have you?
Do the Repubs really want to run jr. and divide their voters? It'll guarantee their loss. They could put their machine behind Keyes since he still stands for American Sovereignty and would obtain most of the disaffected repub votes. But they're still acting as though he doesn't exist.
You know that it's exposure and publicity that makes a Candidate. Same as it got jr. elected in Texas. Why the dynastic moves on the part of the Bush family? They all have well documented taint in their lives. Does Keyes, or Buchanan?
Bttt.
Bttt.
BUMP.
If you want this all put in perspective read the book "Trance Formation of America" the book can be ordered and there are over 20 reviews at Amazon.com. It will be the most shocking book you ever read.
Wallaby, just from the reaction you are getting from the shill,s it appears you have hit the nail right on the head. There WAS more to the 1981 shooting than just Hinckley.
Looking back with eyes that now KNOW Lee Oswald did not act alone (to whatever extent that he acted at all), that KNOW Gerald Ford admitted to Warren Report deceptions, that KNOW Martin Luther King was NOT shot from the rooming house where James Earl Ray was staying, that KNOW Vincent Foster was murdered, that KNOW, Ron Brown's plane did NOT crash in the "worst storm in a decade" that KNOW TWA 800 was struck by an outside object, it's time to take a closer look at just what happened back in 1981, to see if there was more going on than we were told.
As you point out, the family of the then Vice-President knew the Hinckley family. Hinckley's lawyer counts Bill Clinton and Fidel Castro among his other clients.
As was the case in Dealey Plaza, the Presidential protective detail was strangely inactive in the first few moments of the shooting. Reagan's life was saved by a Washington DC street cop who threw himself in front of Hinckley's gun just as he opened fire. Were it not for that cop, the assassination would have succeeded. How does a street cop, not trained to throw himself in front of a gun, manage to do so faster than the Secret Service, who are?
Oddly enough, the "insanity defense" law that kept Hinckley out of jail only existed inside the District of Columbia at that time. Had Hinckley fired that gun in any of the 50 states, he would have gone right to jail. How odd that he chose his supposedly insane attack in the one place where his insanity would keep him out of jail.
Frankly, I don't think Hinckley should be released. But if he is, I suspect he might have some interesrting things to say about what really happened in 1981.
Finally. Finally there is proof. George W. Bush personally gave the gun to John Hinckley, and planted a post-hypnotic suggestion to kill Reagan. Now we know.
Just for the record, I feel the most remarkable assassination coincidence was that of John Wilkes Booth's brother and Lincoln's son. It seems that at a railroad station in Washington DC, a couple of years before Lincoln was shot, a man fell on the tracks in front of an oncoming train. Another man standing on the platform reached down and pulled the first man out of the way in the nick of time. The man who had fallen on the tracks was Lincoln's son and the man who saved his life was Booth's brother.
Think about it. Booth.... Bush.... both start with the letter B and are followed by a vowel. Furthermore, they are both one-syllable names.
Should be fairly obvious to the discerning!
You're working at it just a little too hard.
Still is fun. ;^)
"Still is fun. ;^)"
Given the recent history of this nation, anyone who starts out assuming there isn't a conspiracy involving the ex-head of the CIA comes off looking like an idiot or a shill.
Given the recent history of this nation, anyone who starts out assuming there isn't a conspiracy involving the ex-head of the CIA comes off looking like an idiot or a shill.
Actually, I agree with you. After a point, though, there comes a point when that theorum (CIA involvement) may be discarded in a given scenario.
Sometimes, to quote Freud, a cigar is just a cigar.
And your point is . . . ?
I would think $2 million overcharge would be considered peanuts in the oil business. Certainly not worth killing a president.
"Actually, I agree with you. After a point, though, there comes a point when that theorum (CIA involvement) may be discarded in a given scenario."
You have not demonstrated that we are at that point.
You're not even in the same time zone as having demonstrated that we are at that point.
If there is a lesson to be learned from rcent history it's that nothing is what the government and media tells us it is. We have, for every day of our lives, been fed a lie of a smooth continuous well-running and law abiding goverment, the better to coerce taxes and children from us, while the reality is that our history is determined by an ongoing, covert, and very bloody war between rival factions,m who fear nothing so much but that the people will figure out what's really going on and lynch the lot of them.
"I would think $2 million overcharge would be considered peanuts in the oil business. Certainly not worth killing a president."
If you are talking about the oil depletion allowance, it amounted to considerably more than that. And people who are addicted to money can and have murdered for far less than that amount.
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Finally, this statement from assistant Bush press secretary Shirley Green:
''Neil met Scott Hinckley at a party in January that his (Neil's) wife, Sharon, gave for him. A lady friend of their's had a date
with Scott and brought him to the party. Neil has not seen or been with Scott at any time since.''
Mrs. Green confirmed the same unnamed woman friend was invited to the Bush's home in southeast Denver for dinner
Tuesday night and planned to bring Scott with her.
''Obviously, that has been canceled,'' she said.
Amoco officials also confirmed there was no connection beween the oil giant and Vanderbuilt Energy Co., the Denver-based
independent oil and gas production firm founded by J.W. ''Jack'' Hinckley, the father of the accused attempted assassin.
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''We have looked into that,'' said Ralph Stow, supervisor of corporate-media relations for Standard Oil of Indiana, Amoco's
parent company. ''At this point, there is nothing to indicate we have any joint ventures with Vanderbuilt.''
Scott Hinckley, 30, is the vice president of Vanderbuilt Energy, which moved its headquarters to Denver from Dallas, Texas, in 1974. Another Amoco official said it was not unusual that the paths of young Bush and Scott Hinckley would cross in Denver's booming oil business scene. R.N. ''Dick'' Murphy, Amoco's public affairs advisor, said ''hundreds'' of independent energy companies were moving to Denver in anticipation of the oil shale and coal development boom on Colorado's Western Slope. ''It is not unusual for companies to enter into a joint drilling venture but to my knowledge there are no partnerships between Amoco and Vanderbuilt Energy,'' said Murphy. ''I have contacts with all the major companies but I had never heard of Hinckley until yesterday.'' Murphy said the vice president's son had worked for Amoco for about one year as a ''land man.'' ''A land man goes out and gets leases signed before we drill or lay any lines,'' said Murphy. ''He takes care of the preliminary negotiations and is the contact man between the company and the land owners.'' Neil Bush told the Houston Post he knew the Hinckley family because they had made large contributions to the vice president's campaign. However, Mrs. Green said a check of the campaign records showed neither Jack nor Scott Hinckley had been a Bush contributor or supporter. ''One Bush met one Hinckley at one time and that was it,'' she said. ''Neither does the senior Mr. Bush know the senior Mr. Hinckley. |
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Not only is this lunch between Hinckley's brother and "Sweet Deal Neil" (who later gained lasting infamy from the Silverado S&L scandal) well documented, but in late 1981 the Washington Star newspaper (which closed down a year later) reported in its society pages that John Hinckly Jr and VP George H.W. Bush were ninth cousins to each other, being descended from a governor of Connecticut. No further details were given but 9th cousin suggests that the ancestor was a British colonial governor. A couple of years later I was told by some acquaintances who claim to be dabbling in genealogy that this allegation was reported in genealogical magazines, but again I have no further details.
About ten years ago Burke's Peerage published a separate volume about the family trees of US Presidents - it stopped with Reagan, so it didn't include Bush's family, but I wrote to the editor for info about this Hinckley story - and never got a response. A couple of years ago Hinckley Jr was in the news again trying to get released from the mental hospital and I found the name of his lawyer and sent the lawyer a letter asking him to ask his client about family connections with Bush - and never got a response.
I had also heard that VP Bush knew the Hinckley parents fairly well, had stayed at their house while campaigning for President in early 1980, etc. Again, I have no details or verification.
If anyone can enlighten me on these stories I would be appreciative.
IF the story about a family connection between Bush and Hinckley were true, it might explain a few things about Hinckley's motives ... and about how and why the prosecutor took a dive on the insanity plea.
Not only is this lunch between Hinckley's brother and "Sweet Deal Neil" (who later gained lasting infamy from the Silverado S&L scandal) well documented, but in late 1981 the Washington Star newspaper (which closed down a year later) reported in its society pages that John Hinckly Jr and VP George H.W. Bush were ninth cousins to each other, being descended from a governor of Connecticut. No further details were given but 9th cousin suggests that the ancestor was a British colonial governor. A couple of years later I was told by some acquaintances who claim to be dabbling in genealogy that this allegation was reported in genealogical magazines, but again I have no further details.
About ten years ago Burke's Peerage published a separate volume about the family trees of US Presidents - it stopped with Reagan, so it didn't include Bush's family, but I wrote to the editor for info about this Hinckley story - and never got a response. A couple of years ago Hinckley Jr was in the news again trying to get released from the mental hospital and I found the name of his lawyer and sent the lawyer a letter asking him to ask his client about family connections with Bush - and never got a response.
I had also heard that VP Bush knew the Hinckley parents fairly well, had stayed at their house while campaigning for President in early 1980, etc. Again, I have no details or verification.
If anyone can enlighten me on these stories I would be appreciative.
IF the story about a family connection between Bush and Hinckley were true, it might explain a few things about Hinckley's motives ... and about how and why the prosecutor took a dive on the insanity plea.
Another interesting "coincidence" on Drudge today under" Gonzalez lawyer was Clinton Foreign policy planner:
...An early example was the trial of John Hinckley Jr., who attempted to assassinate President Ronald Reagan in 1981. Craig was on the team that formulated Hinckley's insanity defense, which surprised many and angered some by succeeding.
Are all these people in bed together?
You are a certified idiot! Twenty year old rumors, right.
"Are all these people in bed together?"
Many of them are, but what you're seeing is the interconnections of the moneyed elite. There is and always has been this containment as far as mostly staying in their "class" when marrying, socializing, doing "deals", etc.
It's understandable as a part of human nature, stay with those you're accustomed to. But the downside now is the massive wealth and therefor power that is centralized in a very small % of our population.
We've evolved into a Class Structured Society as a normal sequence of events more so than was in effect while our Constitution was strongly supported. Two sets of Rules, one for us, one for "them".
"You are a certified idiot! Twenty year old rumors, right."
Rumors? It's documented.
BTW, Wallaby is FAR from being an idiot. You don't read for detail, do you? Just glide over the high spots and let your blind party loyalty take over. That's closer to the "idiot" category than keeping an open mind so you'll learn something.
Good finds. Keep pissing on the Shrub. Either you'll kill it or someday it might grow into something useful. Either way the country is better in the long run.
This is a very old story that has been posted several time.
Hinkley is a nut who was obscessed. It had nothing to do with the Bushes or who they were.
Hinkleys parents are good people Christian people and knew many people and they were devistated by what their son did. There was no conspiracy.
Get over it. This is a non story.
"Pardon my ignorance, but this is news to me. Since this news is prior to CNN, I don't know how to interpret it."
Whay planet have these people been living on. This story has been trying to get out there for the past year. I have seen it posted here several times.
Thanks, Texas Mom. I should have known it was a non story from the beginning.
I'm sure you can verify that Waco is a non story for the rest of us. That 42 year-old Waco investigator, Carlos Ghilotti (sp), would probably agree with you. Only problem is that he was discovered dead today.
Sorry for going off topic, Wallaby.
And your reason for posting this for about the 20th time is???
In case you didn't get the word, Bush and Gore are the contenders for the Novemeber election. Polls indicate Buchanan will be lucky to take 3% and all others are EVEN FURTHER BEHIND.
Do you mind sharing your agenda with us?
DonQ stated:
"... in late 1981 the Washington Star newspaper.. reported in its society pages that John Hinckly Jr and VP George H.W. Bush were ninth cousins to each other..."
"A couple of years later I was told by some acquaintances who claim to be dabbling in genealogy that this allegation was reported in genealogical magazines..."
"I wrote to the editor [of Burke's Peerage] for info about this Hinckley story - and never got a response."
"...I found the name of his [Hinkley's] lawyer and sent the lawyer a letter asking him to ask his client about family connections with
Bush - and never got a response."
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Yeah, sure...
Ever hear that old Latin saying, DonQ? You know, the one that says, "Even when a liar tells the truth, he is not believed"?
In just the past few days, I've seen you lie about Clinton's perjury and Giuliani's divorce (posts 98, 100, 112, 120), about Janet Reno's post during the Waco assault (posts 40, 44), and about Alan Keyes' State Department career (see posts 5, 13).
I can't speak for others, but I have to assume that everything you say, absent hard evidence and ample documentation, is a lie. IMO, others here would be wise to do so as well.
BTTT
BTTT...
This Is Why I Won't Vote Bush
And I thought it was because he was a NWO gun grabbing queer loving baby killer.
LOL!!
Okay, who dug this up and sent it to LewRockwell.Com?
'Fess up!!!
Was the Hinckley-Bush situation referenced on Lr.com? Could you post a link?
And the point is?
THE BUSH FAMILY CONNECTION TO THE HINCKLEY FAMILY
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10. Samuel Hinckley (1652-1698), wife Sarah Pope (1657-bef 1727)
11. Mary Hinckley (b Barnstable MA 23 Jul 1678, d 7 Jan 1741), m Samuel Banks
13 Jan 1703 (b Eastham MA 12 Jul 1680, d Harwich MA11 Jun 1750)
12. Joseph Banks (b Harwich MA 30 Jan 1713, Oblung NY ca 1757, m Thankful Hamlin Barnstable MA 18 Sep 1735 (b Barnstable MA 6 Aug 1715, living 1768)
13. Lemuel Banks (b Harwich MA 31 Dec 1739, d Portage NY 9 May 1824), m Rebecca Keeler ca 1774-1775 (b Ridgefield CT 29 Apr 1751, d Grand River, Upper Canada 24 Feb 1812)
14. Elijah Keeler Banks (b Stratford CT 4 Jun 1780, d Philadelphia PA 13 Sep 1856), m Esther Stockhouse Philadelphia PA 29 Oct 1807 (b Philadelphia PA 17 Oct 1787, d Philadelphia PA 27 Sep 1819)
15. Mary Ann Banks (b Philadelphia PA 15 Jun 1817, living 1876), m Joseph Ambrose Beaky Philadelphia PA 1 Jun 1840 (b Emmitsburg MD 14 Jun 1818, d on Mississippi River steamship "Minnehaha" 27 Jan 1858)
16. Martha Adela Beaky (b Emmitsbury MD 1 Jun 1841, d 1 Jul 1917), m David Davis Walker St. Louis MO 25 Dec 1862 (b near Bloomfield IL 19 Jan 1840, d Kennebunkport ME 4 Oct 1918)
17. George Herbert Walker (b St. Louis MO 11 Jun 1875, d New York NY 24 Jun 1953), m Lucretia (Loulie) Wear, St. Louis MO 17 Jan 1899 (b St. Louis MO 17 Sep 1874, d Biddeford ME 28 Aug 1961)
18. Dorothy Walker (b near Walker's Pt. York ME 1 Jul 1901, d Greenwich CT 19 Nov 1992), m Preston Sheldon Bush, U.S. Senator 1952-1963, Kennebunkport ME 6 Aug 1921 (b Colombus OH 15 May 1895, d NewYork NY 8 Oct 1972)
19. George Herbert Walker Bush, U.S. Vice President 1981-1989, 41st U.S. President 1989-1993 (b Mitton MA 12 Jun 1924- ), m Barbara Pierce, Rye NY 6 Jan 1945 (b Rye NY 8 Jun 1925- )
20. George Walker Bush, Governor of Texas 1994-2000, 43rd U.S. President 2000- (b New Haven CT 6 Jun1946- ), m Laura Lane Welch, Midland TX 5 Nov 1977 (b Midland TX 4 Nov 1946, the dau of Harold Bruce Welsh and Jenna Louise Hawkins)
180 Posted on 10/10/2001 18:13:05 PDT by Sangamon Kid
181 Posted on 10/10/2001 20:20:07 PDT by Plummz
182 Posted on 10/11/2001 14:29:09 PDT by Sangamon Kid
183 Posted on 10/11/2001 20:42:08 PDT by Plummz
184 Posted on 10/11/2001 20:49:58 PDT by dalebert
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