AN INTERESTING WORLD RESEARCH STUDY OF EVERY CHURCH IN ONE SAMPLE CITY, FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SEE INFORMATION ABOUT CHURCH.
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1. 90 people.
2. 260 chairs.
3. Type of person. Evangelical.
4. Socio- Economic Status: Working to professional. Had met a manager of a pathology
lab, a doctor in Public Health unit, a former principal, a Mains Road engineer,
a COC teacher.
5. Amount of kids. Approx 18. (Note: Sunday school is not on 1st Sunday of each
month.)
6. Ages of people. Some older, mostly young families.
7. % men.
8. Weekly offering church brings in if published. $5,701 average weekly over
22 weeks.
9. Lateness of people getting to church. -
**10. Any other interesting information. Their old building was "Central
Baptist" at cnr Herries & Hume Sts. Baptists are very evangelical in
a church / corporate way. E.G. They run Beach Missions (10 days of Sunday School
in caravan parks), Vocational Bible Schools (for schools). Well attended "How
to Parent Teenagers" nights advertised in secular school newsletters. All
Baptist churches have many home bible study groups.
This church and many churches keep frozen meals in the freezer for those going
through difficulty.
11. Time AND date. 20 June 2004 8.20am - 11am. (Was 217 people at the one service
at 10am 14 May 2000. Weekly year average $2,807.) Visited 3 times old building
at Herries and Hume Sts, 40 times in small groups and 30 times new building.
(Numbers were between 174 and 280. 217 was an average or mean (equally distant
between two extremes). i.e. There were #280ppl for Mother day special 14/5/01.
10 Dec 2000 174ppl.)
12. Time service went till. Allow 1hr 30 min for this service.
13. This and other service times. 8.15am & 10.15am. 5.30pm 2nd & 4th
Sunday nights only.
14. Preacher. Associate Pastor Stewart Pieper. Reverend Laurie Wallace as the second minister had joined mid 2006. (Former Senior Pastor Ray Elvery
left Sep 2004 aged 65 having retired. Former PNG missionary, Ashgrove Baptist.)
15. Feeling of building. Warm, modern brick, large.
***16. Estimate style of belief. As with almost all "Baptist
Union" churches. (In the USA the word Baptist can mean anything. There
are 2 types of Baptists essentially in Australia. Roughly 95% of Baptist churches
are "Baptist Union" churches, not to be confused with "Independant
Baptists" such as Eiser St) to which are less attended.) The Community
Baptist church like all Baptist Union churches are strongly evangelical, missions
orientated, small groups orientated. As with many Baptist churches there are
Charismatics loosely scattered.
***AUSTRALIA IS THE 3RD WORST GIVER TO 3RD WORLD POOR. A CHURCH GIVES 10% OF
THEIR OFFERING TO third world aid. GATEWAY CHURCH IN DALLAS TEXAS paid for their
$8,000,000 building in cash. They grew from 200 to 8000 people in 6 years. In
Africa, the aid has saved 4-5 million peoples lives. (A non-denominational church
with about 50 pastors and a governing Eldership of Pastors.) However, in an
official "Baptist World Aid Australia" magazine it reported that "More
than 1.2 billion people live on less than $1US a day and 2.6 billion people,
nearly half the world's population, live on less than $2US a day. ..... Australia
was declared to have the highest per capita wealth of all the nations in the
world. Yet, as a nation, our per capita giving to overseas aid is the third
lowest of the 25 richest countries in the world (Only USA and Japan are lower.)
- a mere 0.28% of Gross National Income - and much less than the 0.7% benchmark
agreed to by member states (including Australia) of the United Nations."
Editors note: It should be noted that in this entire website, for all intents
and purposes, every church gives basically nothing in 3rd world AID. Again,
basically nothing to the local poor either. It is certainly not reported in
AGM. Common sense suggests if churches followed the Gateway Church example of
giving 10% of the offering to the poor, a lot more people would give and out
of this generosity, the income of the whole church increases. See- http://www.gatewaypeople.com/
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17. Dress to not stand out. Casual to smart.
18. Travel up James towards Clifford Gardens, cross the Anzac Av lights, turn
your first left at the Lutheran church then turn right going west along Glenvale
Rd for 1.3kms turn left into the large property at the corner of Greenwattle
and Glenvale Rd.
*1. 247 people.
2. 260 chairs.
3. Type of person. Evangelical.
4. Socio- Economic Status: Working to professional. Had met 2 retail salesmen,
student teacher.
5. Amount of kids. 52. (Note: Sunday school is not on 1st Sunday of each month.)
6. Ages of people. Some older, mostly young families.
7. % men.
8. Weekly offering church brings in if published. $5,701 average weekly over
22 weeks.
9. Lateness of people getting to church. -
**10. Any other interesting information. This church and many churches
keep frozen meals in the freezer for those going through difficulty.
11. Time AND date. 20 June 2004 8.20am - 11am.
12. Time service went till. Allow 1hr 30 min for this service.
13. This and other service times. 10.15am. & 8.15am & 5.30pm 2nd &
4th Sunday nights only.
14. Preacher. Associate Pastor Stewart Pieper. (also Senior Pastor Ray Elvery.
(former PNG missionary, Ashgrove Baptist.)
15. Feeling of building. Warm, modern brick, large.
***16. Estimate style of belief :
Associate Pastor Stewart Pieper
said the police once took away his licence and he had to ride a bicycle. (This
type of "being real" preaching is a large trend in the Body of Christ
since about 2000.)
17. Dress to not stand out. Casual to smart.
18. Travel up James towards Clifford Gardens, cross the Anzac Av lights, turn
your first left at the Lutheran church then turn right going west along Glenvale
Rd for 1.3kms turn left into the large property at the corner of Greenwattle
and Glenvale Rd.
5.30pm (2nd&4th only) COMMUNITY BAPTIST Glenvale & Greenwattle Sts.
1. 34 people.
2. 260 chairs.
3. Type of person. Evangelical.
4. Socio- Economic Status: Working to middle.
5. Amount of kids. Half of group are 15-25yo.
6. Ages of people. Mostly 15-22yo.
7. 50% men.
8. Weekly offering -.
9. Lateness of people getting to church. -
*10. Any other interesting information. A fund was there for an Associate
Pastors position which has raised $15,000 dated 9/2001. As of 11/2002 they employ
this Pastor. Baptists are huge on children's outreach so the whole church was
covered head to toe with huge painted cardboard cut outs and black plastic walkways
etc..
11. Time AND date. 23/9/01 5.25pm-5.45pm.
12. Time service went till. Allow 1hr 30 min for this service as there is a
$2 light supper after.
13. This and other service times. 5.30pm 2nd & 4th Sunday nights only. 10am.
14. Preacher. Pastor Ray Elvery.
15. Feeling of building. Warm, modern brick, large.
16. Estimate style of belief. Evangelical.
17. Dress to not stand out. Casual to smart.
18. Travel up James towards Clifford Gardens, cross the Anzac Av lights, turn
your first left at the Lutheran church then turn right going west along Glenvale
Rd for 1.3kms turn left into the large property at the corner of Greenwattle
and Glenvale Rd.
1. 30 people.
2. 105 chairs.
3. Type of person. Older people mostly, no young families.
4. Socio- Economic Status: Working to middle class.
5. Amount of kids. Very few.
6. Ages of people. Older.
7. 65% of men.
8. Weekly offering church brings in if published. $309.
9. Lateness of people getting to church. -.
*10. Any other interesting information. The Baptists are owned by the congregation,
few become members which have the power to sell the building, choose ministers,
anything.
11. Time AND date. 14/5/2000 (2 Sep 2001 31 people).
12. Time service went till.-.
13. This and other service times. 10am (A pre-church all age Bible Study starts
at 9am. 8 people attend.); 5pm (3rd Sunday of month, fellowship tea follows.)
14. Preacher. (Ps Eric Horton -deceased 2002.) TREASURER Roy Neuendorf. 15.
Feeling of building. ok.
16. Estimate style of belief. Regular Baptist belief.
17. Dress to not stand out. Casual to smart.
18. Travel west along Bridge St, turn right into Holberton, go past North St
and it's on the left.
5pm (3rd Sunday of month, fellowship dinner follows.) ROCKVILLE
BAPTIST 11 Holberton St.
1. 20 people.
2. 105 chairs.
3. Type of person. Older people mostly.
4. Socio- Economic Status: -.
5. Amount of kids. Few.
6. Ages of people. Older.
7. 60% of men.
*8. Weekly offering church brings in if published. $204.
9. Lateness of people getting to church. -.
**10. Any other interesting information. -.
11. Time AND date. 16/9/2001 5pm-7.45pm.
12. Time service went till.-.
13. This and other service times. 5pm 3rd Sunday of month. 10am (A pre-church
all age Bible Study starts at 9am.);
14. Preacher. (Ps Eric Horton -deceased 2002.) TREASURER Roy Neuendorf.
15. Feeling of building. ok.
16. Estimate style of belief. Regular Baptist belief.
17. Dress to not stand out. Casual to smart.
18. Travel west along Bridge St, turn right into Holberton, go past North St
and it's on the left.
1. NUMBER OF PEOPLE: 81people.
2. NUMBER OF CHAIRS: 225 chairs. (144 plastic, 80 wood.).
3. Type of person: As always a lot of people go cause they are locals.
4. Socio-Economic Status: Quite a few Charismatics here, perhaps 1/4 said one
main leader.
5. Amount of kids: 12 kids 0-16yo.
6. Ages of people: Good cross section here.
7. 50% are men. 32 men, 37 women.
8. Weekly offering published: Offering not listed.
9. Lateness of people getting to church: Some.
10. Any other interesting information: Part of the Baptist Union of Qld.
11. TIME THERE AND DATE OF VISIT: 9.40-9.55am 2/7/00.
12. Length of service: Till 11am prob.
13. This and other service times: 9.30am, (9am Prayer Meeting). 11am Morning
Tea.
**14. Preacher: Ps Daryl Rossow (Daryl has been the pastor since approximately
1993. The church had been looking for a Pastor and tried out 16 different Pastors
before asking Daryl, a long time member, to give up his secular civil engineering
partnership. Baptist Pastors usually rise up from within the congregation and
statistically a massive 2/3rds do not have an undergraduate Bible college diploma
but possess degrees from other areas. Dr Les Ball, the academic dean from the
Baptist College in the state of Queensland Australia confirmed this. He said
"However, by 2013 we expect most to have an undergraduate degree and possibly
a Masters as well as many are choosing this. It takes 3 years full time to do
the Bachelors but you also need a 1 year full time Graduate Diploma to graduate.
However, the Masters is a 2 year full time post-graduate degree and it's possible
to skip the 1 year Graduate Diploma if you do the Masters.
**15. Feeling of building: Looks nice on outside but inside a smidge dowdy.
All Baptist churches do well in new buildings. They were the biggest Baptist
church till Community Baptists got their new building.
*16. Estimate style of belief: Ps Rossow has his church joining C.L.N. Combined
Churches celebrations. 30% of the church are Charismatic said one spirit filled
Youth leader. Also, Ps Daryl sought God for 3 days in a retreat as to which
way the church should go and he came back and announced their church should
be a missions and training church which resulted in a great many going into
missions full time, particularly in Thailand. Including a medical Doctor who
works there for 6 months and in the west for 6 months.
* Bill & Lynne Whyte did some lay preaching here. When tongues was preached
about, a person in the church objected strongly. Bill left the church and formed
"Christian Revival Centre" 9.30am Sundays 47 Flinders St. He has pastoral
credentials as of 2004. Worked as a Pastor in ministry 1986 - 1991 with this
large South Australian denomination. He started this house church late 2003.
17. Dress code so as not to stand out: Casual to smart.
18. How to get there: Travel to Alderely St and between Hume and Ramsay is Geddes
St which comes to a T section, turn down Geddes and the church is 50 metres
on the left. Park on the big grassed area.
49. How many missionaries do they support: 15 pairs of missionaries are directly
or indirectly supported by the church plus one single. Plus there are another
22 missionary couples supported in Qld indirectly.
6.30pm SOUTH TOOWOOMBA BAPTISTS. 279 Geddes St
1. NUMBER OF PEOPLE: 37.
2. NUMBER OF CHAIRS: 225 chairs.
3. Type of person: -.
4. Socio-Economic Status: -.
5. Amount of kids: 3 kids 0-16yo.
6. Ages of people: -.
7. 50% are men. -.
8. Weekly offering published: $2,0160. ($1370 9 Mar 03; Budget per week is $2231.)
9. Lateness of people getting to church: -.
10. Any other interesting information: -.
11. TIME THERE AND DATE OF VISIT: 6.30pm- 8.10pm 9 Feb 2003. (16 Feb 2003 33
people 6.30pm- 8.15pm.) (22p at 16 Mar 2003 Part 6.)
12. Length of service: 1 hr 20m.
13. This and other service times: 6.30pm (Note, this service was a special 6
part video series by David Pawson "The Challenge of Islam to Christians."
IT'S HIGHLY RECOMMENDED VIEWING. It's not about reaching the Muslims, it's about
filling the spiritual vacum in the west before the Muslims do more.) 9.30am.
14. Preacher: Ps Daryl Rossow
15. Feeling of building: -.
16. Estimate style of belief: -.
17. Dress code so as not to stand out: Casual to smart.
18. How to get there: Travel to Alderely St and between Hume and Ramsay is Geddes
St.
**(A general rule of thumb with many religions is that
there are 2 very distinct sides to any split of a denomination, 80% of them
become less strict - virtually by default. 20% become more strict and they are
the one's who leave the other church members behind, so in Australia you have
the Baptist Union which are the majority and the Baptist Independents which
are the conservative minority.)
1. # of people: 20 at Adult Sunday School 9.30am. (15 people stayed) then 23
people at 10.30am service.
2. Empty chairs: 40
3. Type of person: Parisioners told me "I was a farmer, now I'm a bobcat
truck carrier." "I'm a Traffic Router." "I'm a knife hand."
"I'm a supervisor at KR Bacon." " I make wood products."
Like Bretheren this religion consist of ones who are strangely and predominantly
workers of their hands in often a business situation. (For researchers or academics
only: For further research purposes, see "RE" in the RIASEC model
of Dr John Holland's theory of careers and notice strong correlation of RIASEC
model of careers to actual churches.) Blue collar workers seem to be attracted
to this type of religion.
4. Socio- Economic Status: Working.
5. Kids: (8)
6. Ages: 1-18
7. Men: 50%
*8. Offering: Not given. Pastor said "There is no wage coming out of
the offering" which may mean he's getting paid as a missionary from his
USA home church.
*9. Late arrivals: (Case in point as all these churches have big trouble
keeping their numbers.) Song Leader was 5 mins late, 5p arrived 5 mins late,
4p arrived 13 mins late.
*10. Interesting info: Pastor said these rather amazing words "This is
a soul winning church. We go out for 1.5 hrs Saturday mornings. I was in a (sister)
Brisbane church 11 years.. In 2-3 years my plan is to have a church of 3-400.
We rent this now. We're only 9 weeks old and look how many we have already.
I've been naturalized a year ago having been a successful (United States) business
man prior to salvation. I was only saved 12 months and God said "Go to
Australia." For less than $100,000 we can get a brand new church 17m x
35m. This building costs $175,000 -has no parking. In Brisbane the minimum church
building costs $210,000 but we believed God and got one for $77,000 for our
25-35 people. We're a mission minded church! .. I heard a Yank in a (sister
church) but (God fore-saken church) say "Going to another church is spiritual
adultery!" I don't agree. But I told my church in Brisbane "This is
a dead church!" .. I was in a garage and I heard a man using God's name
in vein & I said to him "Excuse me sir but I would appreciate you not
saying my God's name in vein cause I'm a born again Christian." The swearing
man said "So was I!" Also, in 2002, this church, the "Garden
City Independent Baptists" asked "Community Baptist" from the
"Baptist Union" if they could build their own church on their land.
The request was denied.
11. Date & Time spent: Oct 1 2000 9am-12.32pm
12. When service finished. 11.50am
13. This & other service times: 9.30am 6pm Sun. Wedn 7pm.
14. Preacher: Ps Bartlett.
15. Feeling: I felt ill at ease due to blanket statements as Pastor was extremely
confrontational to people in the church. This seems to be a denominational problem.
As of mid 2004 they shifted from Herries and Phillip St to Jones St. Bartlett
had asked Queensland Railways for a building and was given an old building for
free rent at bottom of Jones St.
16. Their belief: Born again, non- Calvinists, fully immersed baptised, very
non- Pentecostal and Pastor said there would be not one person who speaks in
tongues in his church. Almost every Pastor in Qld is American! (Ps Rod Marsh
in Redcliffe is Qld leader and has bible college there, is there with all American
tutors in dark blue 3pce suits. They "tell" girls to go home and change
at youth group if they wear jeans to church etc..)
7pm INDEPENDENT BAPTISTS WEDNESDAY 7pm service has 10 people. (A small sign of slightly over controlling church is having full church meetings on a Wednesday instead of home meetings. All Independent Baptists do this, others as well.) It's really a mini church service.
1. Number of people: 22.
2. Number of chairs: 70.
3. Type of person: Blue collar businessmen.
4. Socio-Economic Status: Low Medium.
5. Amount of kids: Few.
6. Ages of people: 30-50yo.
7. 50% are men.
8. Weekly offering published: -.
9. Lateness of people getting to church: -.
10. Any other interesting information: Pastor is in his late 70's and quite
ill and soon will leave completely the guard to another. I met Ps Bob Barret
from Garden City Baptist there before he started his own church with this Pastors
permission.
11. Time there AND date of visit: 23/9/01; 8/2000.
12. Length of service: 1hr30m.
13. This and other service times: 11am, 9.45am Adult Sunday School - not available
in School holidays; 6pm.
14. Preacher: Well aged Pastor has resigned Aug 2001 and now an elder runs the
church, Allan Rosser.
15. Feeling of building: Not bad.
16. Estimate style of belief: Non-Charismatic. Denomination has rules like "No
males to wear hats or
caps inside church." Almost every Pastor in Australia are Americans. 17.
Dress code so as not to stand out: Casual to smart.
18. How to get there: Travel along West St, turn west.
6pm EISER ST BAPTISTS
1. Number of people: 11.
2. Number of chairs: 70.
3. Type of person: -.
4. Socio-Economic Status: -.
5. Amount of kids: -.
6. Ages of people: -.
7. 50% are men.
8. Weekly offering published: -.
9. Lateness of people getting to church: -.
10. Any other interesting information: -.
11. Time there AND date of visit: 7/10/2001.
12. Length of service: Allow 1hr-1hr 15m.
13. This and other service times: 6pm, 11am (Check if correct).
14. Preacher: -.
15. Feeling of building: Not bad.
16. Estimate style of belief: Non-Charismatic.
17. Dress code so as not to stand out: Casual.
18. How to get there: Travel along West St, turn west.
*1. NUMBER OF PEOPLE: 46.
2. NUMBER OF CHAIRS: 68.
3. Type of person: Blue collar and Accountant or Conventional. They seem a little
militant somehow, in their behavior.
4. Socio-Economic Status: Low- medium. Mildly educated.
5. Amount of kids: One third are children and 18yo-22y range are in church too.
6. Ages of people: Oddly almost all 18-30yo.
7. -% are men.
8. Weekly offering published: Not given.
9. Lateness of people getting to church: Zero (Due to control).
***10. Any other interesting information: They believe
no other Christian is saved unless they speak in tongues as well as go to their
church only. You cannot take communion until you have been re-baptised and speak
in tongues other wise "you will get heavy judgement on yourself" 1
Cor 11:29. (I was warned from the pulpit not to partake.)
11. TIME THERE AND DATE OF VISIT: 17/12/00 10.30am-5.30pm
12. Length of service: 2 1/4 hours.
13. This and other service times: 10.45am; 2.30pm For new converts. 7.30pm every
WEDNESDAY (Notice how the whole church meets for this mid week meeting.) -58people
13/12/00
14. Preacher: A 53yo man. Ps Brian Griggs (paid).
15. Feeling of building: Warm but "militant". The building is a school
music room.
***16. Estimate style of belief: MOST CHRISTIANS BELIEVE
THERE IS ONE CHURCH WHICH BELIEVES YOU MUST SPEAK IN TONGUES IN ORDER TO BE
SAVED. THIS IS NOT TRUE. THERE ARE TWO. THIS CHURCH AND "REVIVAL FELOWSHIP"
IN GREGORY ST. THE TWO CHURCHES HAVE ZERO MUTUAL KNOWLEDGE OF EACH OTHER. Both
churches have said they did not even know of the other's existance. Fully Charismatic,
message in tongues/ interpretation, prophecy, healing, miracles. Many people
reported being dramatically healed of incurable illnesses here. Note: People
from other churches can get barred at the door! They resist all other churches
and individuals. You can attend if you don't belong to another church. Are very
good "looking" people, in a secular way.
***They are going away from 25/12/00 till middle of January for a yearly national church Caravan park camp trip at Coffs Harbour this time. I asked about adultery and John said "If that happens the Pastor would handle it but we wouldn't excommunicate them but we believe that the Lord will take the person out and they will be just "gone." I asked if I could go to a meeting and when I said "If something big comes up, then I will be there next time." Leader said "The devil will try to stop you from coming, something will happen. If you can't make it this time, you won't make it next time that's the truth cause you won't be meant to be there. I had big lust problems, my wife had the nerves, my child had asthma, when I came to the LORD I and my family got healed of everything! I'm free." If I joined their church I would have to be re-fully immersed water baptised. No question. "We've been around since the year dot." We call ourselves "The Assembly. We are not Bretheren. We are not the Revival Fellowship from Gregory St. We are worldwide. We pay a stipend to our Pastors if it's a large enough assembly.
17. Dress code so as not to stand out: Ties for men.
18. How to get there: Travel to Gabbinbar School grounds Stenner and MacKenzie
Sts.
**19. ACCEPTANCE IN CHURCH AS A VISITOR: WARNING! THEY
WILL ASK YOU IF YOU BELONG TO ANOTHER CHURCH AND IF YOU SAY YES THEY WILL RECOMMEND
YOU NOT ATTEND THE SERVICE!
***Please note that ANY Pastor in any church willl often
ask "What church do you normally attend?" DO NOT LET THIS INTIMIDATE
YOU. Put on your brave face and DO NOT get in a tussle with the Pastor over
any seemingly regimentry point of view. So say something like "I do attend
such and such a church but making a change is not inconceivable." Or "I
have been to such and such a church in the past." Or "I am not a member
in any church." Or "I don't regularly go to any church and have been
looking for awhile now." See FAQ's for more.
20. People who talked to me after the service: I was stared at as I was new.
The preacher said hello.
21. Length of time they talked: 1 min to 7 minutes.
22. How soon do visitors get talked to after service?: Almost straight away.
*23. HOW MUCH CHURCH IS OPEN TO WIDER CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY: Zero openness.
They do not say it but they give the feeling your not saved unless you belong
to their church. They never advertise their meetings.
***24. Unusual things about worship: THIS IS A CHURCH
WHERE SPEAKING IN TONGUES IS almost mandatory. They will ask you to face the
back of your seat for 5 mins on your knees and as a church, all pray in tongues
mid way in the service. (It's generally accepted practice, if you can't pray
in tongues, then pray softly in English.)
25. EMPHASIS OF MINISTRY: .
26. Famous business people: -.
27. Famous people: -.
*28. KNOWABLE SONGS: They use very old worship books of hymns I have not
heard of but for a couple of classic hymns.
29. Quality of sound system/ loudness: Little or none.
30. Quality of preaching generally: A bit unusual. Clearly these people follow
the bible only.
31. Meaningfulness/ depth of preaching: Not really deep as such.
32. Enjoyment/ lightness of preaching: No.
33. Impact/ deepness/ enjoyment of worship: Nope.
34. Amount of home groups: They do have some home groups but I felt they were
a bit "confrontational".
35. How to access home groups: Through various people.
36. Friendliness of home groups: OK.
*37. Intention to build: This church does not own buildings nor do they believe
in buildings.
38. Estimate percentage church owned / rented?: Probably rented by this state
school for very little cost.
39. Estimate age of building: The school would have been made in about 1980.
40. Dowdiness of building outside: Not bad. You can park in the front or rear
carpark and follow the people around through a maze of buildings to the music
room. At the end of the service they put all the class desks back etc..
41. Inside?: Not bad.
*42. Have sister churches where? They are an international church. They meet
nationally for a huge retreat.
43. Sunday School availability: -.
44. Ages availability: -.
45. % kids attend: -.
46. Noise of kids at back: OK.
47. Where is bible college? -.
48. Where do kids school? -.
49. How many missionaries do they support: -.
50. What cost? -.
51. What is average they give to missions: -.
52. What is average they give to local poor? -.
53. International poor? -.
54. Other emphasis on giving: -.
55. Per head total giving: -.
56. Extent of other church programs: They are busy 6 nights a week with church.
Picnics in Queens Park after Sunday church etc..
57. Pastor receive stipend? Not sure.
58. How much? -.
59. Qualifications of Pastor: -.
60. Estimated of parishioners complaints: They wouldn't speak out. The leader
adopts a style "If you don't like it, get out."
61. Estimated ability to resolve parishioners complaints: Little.
7.30pm WEDNESDAYS. "BIBLE TRUTH FELLOWSHIP" at
GABBINBAR SCHOOL. Gabbinbar School grounds Stenner and MacKenzie Sts.
*1. NUMBER OF PEOPLE: 58. (Notice how the WHOLE church meets for this mid
week meeting.)
2. NUMBER OF CHAIRS: 68.
3. Type of person: -.
4. Socio-Economic Status: -.
5. Amount of kids: -.
6. Ages of people: Oddly almost all 18-30yo.
7. -% are men.
8. Weekly offering published: Not given.
9. Lateness of people getting to church: Zero (Due to control).
10. Any other interesting information: -.
11. TIME THERE AND DATE OF VISIT: 21 April 2004 7.15pm 2m; 13 Dec 00 7.15pm
till late.
12. Length of service: 2 1/4 hours.
13. This and other service times: 7.30pm every WEDNESDAY -58people 13/12/00.
10.45am; 2.30pm For new converts.
14. Preacher: Ps Brian Griggs
15. Feeling of building: Warm but militant. It's a school music room.
16. Estimate style of belief: -.
17. Dress code so as not to stand out: Ties for men.
18. How to get there: Travel to Gabbinbar School grounds Stenner and MacKenzie
Sts.
2.30pm Sundays. "BIBLE TRUTH FELLOWSHIP" at GABBINBAR
SCHOOL. Gabbinbar School grounds Stenner and MacKenzie Sts.
*1. NUMBER OF PEOPLE: 44.
2. NUMBER OF CHAIRS: 68.
3. Type of person: -.
4. Socio-Economic Status: -.
5. Amount of kids: -.
6. Ages of people: Oddly almost all 18-30yo.
7. -% are men.
8. Weekly offering published: Not given.
9. Lateness of people getting to church: Zero (Due to control).
10. Any other interesting information: -.
11. TIME THERE AND DATE OF VISIT: 17/12/00 10.30am-5.30pm.
12. Length of service: 2 1/4 hours.
*13. This and other service times: 2.30pm Sundays for new converts. 7.30pm
every WEDNESDAY -58 people 13/12/00. 10.45am Sundays.
14. Preacher: Ps Brian Griggs
15. Feeling of building: -.
16. Estimate style of belief: -.
17. Dress code so as not to stand out: Ties for men.
18. How to get there: Travel to Gabbinbar School grounds Stenner and MacKenzie
Sts.
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