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FWB 2602 tube / 1913 stock size
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I was told by a friend that you might be able to help me. I ordered a shooting coat from custom leather wear in Canada last August. They said it would be shipped in 8 weeks. I have not received the coat. And the phone number and website have been disconnected or taken out of service. Do you know any way that I could get in contact with them,or have any ideas. please let me know.
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[Editor - I hadn't looked in about 6 months, but indeed their website is gone now. Anyone have any ideas?]
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Dear Mr. Ray,
I have a few comments about the 2602, but first I'd like to say that I've been reading your digests and I've learned quite a bit and I'm glad to be in your group.
I've been using my 2602 alu stock with the short barrel for a little over a year now and the overall performance is excellent. I was lucky enough to meet someone with the 2602 and a KK200 at a local match. For me I found the 2602 trigger and balance was better. I've also shot a 2007 and 1913 before I received the 2602 and they were too heavy standing (if you do 3-p). The balance on the 2602 is just forward of the trigger guard I can let my right hand off of the pistol grip and it just balances there. It's a pretty cool gun. The adjustments are also in my opinion easier to deal with than the Anschutz. The buttplate that comes with the rifle is junk; the way it is designed, it won't allow you to drop the the buttplate (again for standing) low enough. I would suggest that you purchase a MEC free position buttplate assembly for further adjustments in that area.
In comparison to another rifle, my younger brother has a Anschutz 2313 short barrel alu stock, and he likes it very much. Even if we argue about the 2602 being easier to adjust than the 2313. [:-)] There are only a few things I don't like about their stock. The pistol grip is held to the stock by a single screw (for adjustments, the grip moves in more positions than the 2602) so they sacrifice strength for movement and the cheek and buttplate length adjustments are harder to move in position. Those are really the major things I don't like about it. It's all basically preference.
You can maneuver an Anschutz buttplate on to the back plate. A friend of mine preferred an Anschutz buttplate so his dad did something to attach the two pieces together. I could find out the specifics if you are interested.
As far as the FWB air rifle cheek pieces, The alu stocked P-70 (and 2602) are easier to adjust than the 600 or the C60, they can now cant (side to side) and the cheekpiece itself can move along a slide, right and left.
The pictures really don't explain much. The pistol grip moves in a drop and raised position. There are two screws on the opposite side that allow for that adjustment. The back end of the stock also moves independently with a side to side movement.
Weights are not available for the 2602 as far as I understand. Offset sights and aperatures are available through Neal Stepp at ISS. You may consider purchacing an adjustable front sight instead of the individual aperatures(less mess in the toolbox).
For service I'd suggest 10-Ring Services in FL,Phone# 904-724-7419, they were great after UPS ruined my P-70 by dropping it on the trigger guard. They are factory qualified to service FWB, Anschutz and other match firearms.
I hope some of this information will be useful to you.
Best Regards,
Alex KD7CLQ
P.S. I wouldn't give up my 2602 for anything in the world.
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FWB 2602.
Not many of us lefties about even in the U.K. but I would/have bought one of these great rifles and have been using it for about 9 months now in anger, I only had a few problems with the FWB, the main one is that they do not make L/H sights, that's a bit of a swine when you have been waiting for 3 months for your new toy to arrive, open the box and find the R/H sights. I got NO response from FWB when questioned about this. ( what do the L/H Air rifle shooters do ) They take it out of there shoulder after every shot and adjust??? the right-hand sights UGH! has no one in Europe complained about this.
As luck would have it the New Anschutz rearsights fit the wider dovetail and should make you feel at home, the foresight is a problem as the one supplied is not worth having, you have to use an allen key to tighten it onto the tube dovetail, I stripped the thread before I started shooting with it so threw it in the bin.
As I am a lazy swine and I still enjoy 100yds shooting I got a local machine shop to remove the dovetail on the tube and I fitted a stepped Redfield foresight block for 100yd/50m, I can now use my old Anschutz foresights. The Anschutz, Freeland and the new Gehmann handstops all fit the FWB so no problems there, I went for the new Gehmann 845 width adjustable handstop.
As far as adjustments go on the butt plate it's fully adjustable and the cheekpiece is also adjustable just like the Anschutz. Accessories should be available from http://www.centershot.com/ in the U.S. but cannot help on the service side that side of the water.
The loading port is further back, but then again the rear of the stock ( from trigger guard ) is shorter than the Anschutz so you need to use more of the in/out adjustment on the hook to get the same measurement, the handgrip is adjusted on bolts as well and if you are like me, slightly short arms and smallish hands it works well, the trigger also has a better feel than the anschutz.
The plus side on the stock it the adjustment of the rear of the stock, as it's moveable from side to side on a central pivot, like the old handmade shotgun stocks that hade a kink in them, you can actually lay prone and adjust the fore end of the stock so that it is in perfect alignment.
The other adaption I made was to have a new foresight tube made, I have quite a cant and as the new Anschutz rearsight is cantable it , to me , made sense to have the foresight cantable as well to maintain sight picture so my new tube can be rotated and locked in position so that both sights are as near as damn it vertical.
All in all if you are willing to customize a few bits (I had to do it on the Anschutz as well) I would recommend it, Hey! and it's RED what more do I want......
Regards,
Bob Mallet.
[Editor - I was surprised that FWB didn't make LH sights so I emailed and received the following response, which indicates they rarely if ever make LH sights (special order?):
Dear Sir,
We refer to your e-mail dated 4 Dec. 2001.
Concerning lefthand version of the FEINWERKBAU
sporting arms we inform you that the diopter
(sights) is generally only deliverable in
right-hand version.
Best regards,
F e i n w e r k b a u
Westinger & Altenburger GmbH]
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I use a 2602 short barrel with laminated stock for 3P. I chose a short barrel for better balance but as I am bigger now, then when I bought it approx 3 years ago I keep wondering what a long barrel aluminium stock version would be like as I wish to try something a bit more bulky. Unfortunately, the lack of cash at the moment prevents me trying one.
My previous rifle was a 1913, which I didn't really get on with, as the pistol grip required breaking my wrist to fit, but the new stocks seem to avoid this upset.
As regards Lefties, a colleague of mine (who may already be on your list) has one, but he did grumble with the lack of true left hand sights, but I think he sorted this with a generic replacement set. The problem centres around different angles on the dovetails used for mounting of sights as Feinwerkbau has its history with air rifles which do not require left hand sights as it can be adjusted on the bench.
I prefer the adjustability of the 2602 over a 1913 as it is easily adjustable and appears to be simple. For 3P, I have three butt plates and stock inserts giving me a simple cassette system for quick and easy changing. However, since then both Walther and Anschutz have made significant changes, especially with the introduction of aluminium as a standard option in the last couple of years.
What about trying a generic stock manufacturer for mounting your 1913 action. I have pulled an old advert from days before aluminium stocks were common place but I don't know what they do at present. They are known as S+N (UK) Ltd, 26 The Craft Centre, Storridge Rd, Westbury, Wiltshire BA13 4HU, England Tel. + 441373 825853.
Regards
Peter
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May I can help you to make your decision to buy or not a FWB 2602 Super Match.
I� ve been owning one for 3 years and a junior I coach used to shoot with a light barrel one during 2 seasons. I still use mine, but with another stock, and he has sold (without regrets) his rifle to buy a 1913 action with a French aluminium stock (GE 600).
Both, we had problems to adjust precisely the trigger weight and the trigger point (the junior shooter had several trigger incidents during the previous European championship, then he lost totally his confidence in the rifle). The trigger system is the same than the FWB 602, and you can�t adjust the slack weight (only the slack length), also I prefer the Anschutz system.
As I�ve got a large hand, I estimate the stock is too thin (40 mm) and it was painful after 40 shots in prone shooting. The normal barrel (24 mm) is really heavy in standing position and the aluminium retaining tube too (180 grs), even if it increases the sighting length only for 85 mm (I don�t think you�ll need barrel weights). This tube is not precisely adjusted to the barrel diameter and is screwed directly into the barrel by 2 screws, which is not considered by a majority of good shooters I know, to be the better way to fasten it. Of course, you can�t put any front sight on without it.
We have never used 22mm aperature sets because the rifle is sold with adapter rings for 18 mm ones.
The sighting block is the same as the FWB 603 one (12 clicks by round) and We prefer Anschutz, Hammerli, Gehmann or Elite ones.
And what about the buttplate ? : we�ve never shot with it because we have tested Anschutz, Gemini, Mec, Unique and GE600 ones and it�s the worst I�ve never tested (the top is too large, the hook is too short, ...).
After what I�ve just written, I don�t think I�ll have lots of friends in the FWB corporation but if I keep mine it�s because I know how it would be difficult to sell it at a decent price. As you, I like (aesthetically) the FWB stock better than the Anschutz or the Walther ones but if I had to buy a new rifle today, I�ll make another choice.
I can easily send you photos (jpeg format) about the details (FWB 2602 stock, grip, cheekpiece or buttplate) you want to examine. You just have to tell me.
If you want to have a look to the GE600 stock we use, go to : http://www.ge600.fr.st (only in french language)
bests regards,
Jerome Garcon
France
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>What about trying a generic stock manufacturer for mounting your 1913
>action. I have pulled an old advert from days before aluminium stocks were
>common place but I don't know what they do at present. They are known as
>S+N (UK) Ltd, 26 The Craft Centre, Storridge Rd, Westbury, Wiltshire BA13
>4HU, England Tel. + 441373 825853.
I believe that the above address is now out of date, as Robert Nibbs (who
is "Mr. S+N") has moved factory location recently.
I think that the S+N stocks are imported to the US by Centershot, who also
sell the S+N buttplates (http://www.centershot.com/products/S+N.htm)
The original Gemini stocks will accept Anschutz 14/18/19 series actions, and
the Concept stocks (http://www.centershot.com/products/Palma.htm) will
accept Anschutz 20 series actions.
I'm slightly biased, in that I've been using S+N buttplates since 1995, and
an S+N stock since 1997 (when I transplanted my 1413 from its original stock
to a Gemini). I count myself as a very satisfied user :)
Martin Sinclair
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First, thanks for the above responses.
Since the 2602 has a mini bloop tube, I assume I would have to take it off periodically and clean it like the normal bloop tubes?
Another person not on the list told me the tube/weight is in 2 pieces. While the catalogs (10/98 and 4/01) show this for the P70, they do not for the 2602. Is this something they have added, but don't bother to show?
I do like the closer loading port and shorter stock since I must be configured like Mr. Mallet above. I cannot load a 1913 without dropping the rifle out of my shoulder. I haven't tried the 1912 yet, but will soon.
Can anyone with a NEWER walnut 1913 tell me how wide the foreend is and give an estimate of the radius size if you were to take a cross section of the foreend? The old one I've been using is 2.25" (5.7cm), has small radii and has greater than 90 degree angles (eg, the foreend is wider at the rail than it is at the barrel). I note the 1912 is only 2" wide (5cm), has larger radii and uses 90 degree angles. I suspect this stock would be much easier for me and wanted to know if the newer 1913 have a similar profile now.
Michael Ray
The Editor
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Michael Ray - DBA & Systems Engineer
Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech. Rifle Coach
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