Please e-mail address changes, unsubscribe requests, or submissions to me. To subscribe to the "real-time" version of the list send an email to uit_mailing_list-subscribe@yahoogroups.com In this issue: Re: Eley customer range report Re: Eley customer range report ISSF Coach Courses Shotgun in Dallas, TX? Tuners Re: Tuners Re: Tuners Wide standing position ******************************************************************** Question for Robin Szemeti regarding Eley test range: "The test procedure is to mount the action in a 'System Gemini' stock which is mounted in a substantial test vice." This implies an Anschutz barreled action (doesn't it?). How do they mount the rifle if it's something else (e.g. my Winchester 52)? Doug Clark ******************************************************************** > >Question for Robin Szemeti regarding Eley test range: "The test > >procedure is to mount the action in a 'System Gemini' stock which > >is mounted in a substantial test vice." > > This implies an Anschutz barreled action (doesn't it?). How do they > mount the rifle if it's something else (e.g. my Winchester 52)? They retain the ability to do things "the old way", namely clamping the barrel and leaving the action hanging out the back of the vice. They also have a free-floating V-notch rest, if you're really willing to spend time there :-), and a Feinwerkbau aluminium stock. Martin ******************************************************************** Thank you for your e-mail. 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Similarly, successful completion of the "B" Course is a prerequisite for admission to the ISSF "A" Coach's Course. The official language of the course is English. Registration for each course is only possible through a member federation of ISSF. Cost of each course: US $ 1250,--, including course documents, accommodation in double room, full board. The next courses are planned to be held at the end of the year 2002 - detailed schedule will be published in May. I hope to have herewith answered your questions and remain With best regards, Wolfgang Schreiber ISSF NEWS wmschreiber@issf-shooting.org www.issfnews.com ******************************************************************** Is there an Internation Trap training program in Dallas, Texas? R. Story [Editor - I've got no idea. I'd get in touch with USA Shooting who should be able to direct you to the nearest club.] ******************************************************************** Do you have an opinion regarding tuners such as the "Henrich Smallbore Vibration Controller" or any similar device? Ron Mendoza [Editor - They are quite popular with benchrest folk. I know Bob Foth used one (the Henrich) and I hear Lones Wigger had used the Time Precision tuner/bloop tube during some competitions. Other than that, they have not seemed to catch on in our game.] ******************************************************************** I'm on my way to the first outdoortrainingcamp, so I'll be brief. Tuners: Yes they work, all of them.Are they needed?In my opinion.Yes! I've made one myself and attached it to my "testsystem" Ans.and Lilja.Best group so far is 9,7mm measured on the outside with ammo that was around 18mm before "tampering" with chamber,bedding & all! With no pressure in training, in the middle 70's for a full match on 50m. Expect maybe 3mm better groups on good ammo. The tuners I would choose: Time Precision and Hoehn. hey are worth the money(from $90 to 250 I think) Gotta go, the 6BR is waiting!!!! Oyvind ******************************************************************** well .. the way it goes is this ... if you have the opportunity to select from a large batch of ammunition and you can find one that matches your barrel .. you don't need for a tuner. if you dont have that opportunity then you have to match your barrel to what ammunition you have and thats where the tuner comes in. Using a barrel tuner on a rifle that already is well matched to its ammunition will likely have no effect or possibly even a detrimental effect .. but its quite likely that you can make a good barrel and good ammunition that just aren;t well matched shoot even better than it does normally with a tuner .. of course you'll need a decent test facility to be sure of what you are doing .. you could of course be making things worse, not better. My advice would be, before attempting to try a tuner make sure you can test your results. when you are set up and can reliably and repeatedly test say three batches of ammunition and get consistent and meaningful results for group size then (and only then ) are you in a position to start playing with a barrel tuner and measuring and recording the effects. I've heard various stories about them .. I've not seen many in use by top shooters .. cant say I;ve seen in in use by X-class shooters .. whether thats because they can choose ammo that matches their gun, or what I don;t know .. but there it is. -- Robin Szemeti ******************************************************************** I started this thread on another board I frequent and it generated quite a discussion so I though I'd share it on my board and see what people here think. 8^) Recently, Sarah Blakeslee swept the women's events at the US National Junior Olympic Rifle Championship. I noted she used a pretty wide stance that is significantly larger than shoulder width from what it looked like. She's not as bad as the Dove sisters (now in college), but what's with having the feet so far apart? Are they trying to keep the hips level rather than tilted upward? How is it improving balance? Crystal Hamilton and Jayme Dickman are two others who come to mind with very wide positions. Their feet are much further apart than shoulder width as you can see in the picture of Crystal Dove who is the widest I know of. http://www.rose-hulman.edu/Users/groups/RifleTeam/CRCA/pics/Dcp_1387.jpg I don't know of any int'l women who shoot like this. Pfeilschifter and Buehlmann have somewhat wide stances but shift their hips forward so the front leg is close to vertical. The legs of the US women mentioned look like an inverted "V". One hypothesis is the wide position allows the athlete to really "lock up" the femur to pelvis (hip) joints on one axis – side to side so you only have sway to deal with. I can possibly see this but it seems to increase sway more than normal to me so it may cancel out the benefits. Another possibility Bob Foth apparently brought up was many women are not taking full advantage of the rules regarding ISU jackets. They are, in essence, purchasing coats that are shorter than dictated by the rules and having to spread their legs out to snug the jacket up against the hips. WHY would they do this? I am not saying this position is wrong. I just want to know where they got it (since it seems mostly a US thing) and why they think it's superior. I will say that I won't show any of my kids that position, just like I wouldn't suggest tilting your head over a lot simply because Gonci and Kurka do it. I feel the potential for future damage to the hips/back are too great with it to be used for long. Michael Ray ******************************************************************** End of UIT Mailing List #21 Michael Ray - DBA & Systems Engineer Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech. Rifle Coach UIT Shooting Page - http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/1190/index.htm