From: J Figueredo <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: Passing score for test 70-210
Yeap, as unbelievable as it sounds I took mine three weeks ago there were 50
questions and passing was 540.
For more info go to http://www.brainbuzz.com
Jose
MCP, A+
"test" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
So what is a passing score for 70-210?  Is this 540 stuff I keep reading
about for real?
Thanks,
Mario

From: Murphy <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: cbts
Didn't Bill Cosby ask that in the Noah story?
"jahrrt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Computer Based Training
Nick wrote:
what does cbts stand for?
Nick

From: Steve Ingram <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Passed 210
Congratulations on the pass. It sounds like this is your first exam - and
the first one is always the hardest! (Psychologically speaking.)
Steve Ingram
"thomascherian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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After a couple of weeks of working real hard @ reading the text (Sybex),
doing the labs, finishing up by doing mock test (Transcenders) and some
Troytecs plus messing around with my own equipment, I sat for the 210 this
week and passed.... scored 780!! Will be taking my 215 at the end of the
following week.... Persistence pays, never loose sight of your own goals and
desires. Your biggest enemy is yourself. Believe in yourself and work
towards it.....
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From: Wade <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: 70-240
Do not use just MOC, other then that good luck, sounds like you are doing
all the right things, at this point either you know it or you don't.
Wade
"patti" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:O7EgotuDBHA.1096@tkmsftngp04...
Hey guys--- I'm taking 70-240 next week and am hearing how evil it's
supposed to be. Any words of encouragement? I've basically been locked in
the server room for the past few months, building and rebuilding and
following the MOC, also getting ready for our office's upgrade (we are local
government so we are behind the times). A stack of books and a pile of
software... anyone lived through it? Thanks in advance,
Patti

From: <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 4:56 AM
Subject: Re: Make Certifications Count (A Call To Action)
At whose directions? Yours?
Bwaaaahahahahahh!
How much can you bench press, needle-dick?
On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:33:18 -0700, "Consultant"
<[email protected]> wrote:
move on gramps
<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
I agree, I have been in IT work as an Administrator and an Engineer -
mainly self-taught (with the aid of books) college off-and-on to get
Novell and NT classes, for over 8 years. I started out programming
spray paint robots in relay ladder logic as a Millwright, then started
building PC's, then servers, then networks. I had a BBS back then, and
my first exposure to networks was my own home network.
Making the big bucks has more to do with how willing you are to play
the corporate game, than any real talent. Those guys hire me to do
their work, then fire me for a trivial excuse before anyone realizes
THEY are not needed <G>.
You want to make huge bucks, study being a lying, two-faced,
unprincipled a**hole. Works EVERY time from what I see.
Oh, and just to dispel the myth, I am in my 50's, and also run a
repair/building business from my home, not all of us "old" guys are
hardware-stupid. Remember, "The digital age is not an age-it's an
attitude."
On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:00:51 GMT, "Mike Cobley" <[email protected]>
wrote:
yes I to have working for 2 different training company's and it's clear that
there are people with only a certification or 2 but do not have any real
skills. BUT I know many people who have $100,000 per year jobs who say they
are Unix, Linux, Router, MS, Novel etc... experts and have had jobs for
10+ years and they are in there 40's and 50's but do not have the knowledge
to install a CD-RW and make it copy CD's. or  they lack the skills to
upgrade NT4 to win2k etc... just because you get the big bucks does not mean you
have the skills, just that you have more knowledge than your boss! that's
why I have always told people that you should be after yours boss's job from
day 1 and have no trust for anyone in your organization. after all you care
about feeding your family not anyone else's. You have no obligation to your
peers or your boss only your company there is a big difference! If you can
do his job get it. If you can get those people fired, do it! Take their
jobs, money, respect, titles, girls, etc... let that be a lesson to all
paper certified people in the world, if they have a job get them fired it
can only make your job easier not to have to work with incompetence.
"Kim Fyfe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
As a certification holder, and network engineer and a instructor I have been
pondering this proposal for quite some time.  I would like to post it for
review and comment.
Certifications such as the MCP, MCSE, CCNA, CNE and others are currently
being discounted in today's market because of the sheer numbers of people
that have obtained certification and of those people the strikingly large
number that do not possess the knowledge to implement the technology
they are supposedly certified to manage.
This is due in large part to a large number of lucrative jobs, a focus by
educational institutions to cash in on the training demand and by companies
and/or individuals that produce exam prep software that is nothing more than
reproduction of exam questions. The result is the "paper
fill-in-the-certification" and consequently low salaries and respect for
certification.
Because I know and associate with professionals from other fields such as
CPAs, attorneys, doctors, auto mechanics, engineers and other trades like
construction, all of whom have industry certifications, I have had
opportunities to speak with them about their certifications and requirements
to obtain them.  Almost without exception their certification was not based
on an exam alone.
An example is my wife, who is a CPA (Certified Public Accountant).  She
first must complete not only here bachelors degree plus 45 credits of
continuing education (which is usually a Master's program) but also work
2000 hours for an CPA firm  in addition to passing the CPA exams.
Obviously doctors and attorneys have not only a vast amount of education but also
internships and such before being allowed to practice their trade as an individual.
Then why are IT professionals held to any less of a professional standard?
Are we better than other professions?  Are we less organized?  Are we lazy?
It strikes me that a professional that encompasses so many of tomorrows
critical job skills that we do not take our certifications more seriously.
We do not educate employers on what certification mean, how they are
obtained or how to verify that a employee is certified.  We do not have a
formal code of ethics nor a grievance process.
Because of these issues it is, in my opinion, time to hold ourselves
accountable and begin to treat our profession with respect.  It is time
to begin requiring certification coupled with either documented training
or work experience before a certification is granted to a candidate.  We
must act in order to re-establish our profession as a legitimate one among
our companies and institutions.
I propose that if you are a certified IT professional or are seeking
certification that you let companies like Microsoft, Novell, Red Hat, Cisco
and others that you want your certification to mean something.  Make them
understand that exams alone do not, and cannot, measure the competence
of an individual to perform the job they are becoming certified in.  If we do
not fix this system your certifications will continue to lose ground as
more and more candidates beg, barrow and steal certifications through less than
honorable means.
I will post this to my web site at http://www.nwttc.com.  Please feel
free to reply to my at [email protected] with constructive feedback.  You
don't have to agree with this.  In fact, if you don't I would like to know
why. I would also be interested in your thoughts and ideas about drafting this
posting into a more formal proposal to be submitted for comments and
perhaps an RFC.  I can't see why there can't be a RFC for certifications...
Bruce Fyfe, Network Engineer,
Northwest Technology Training Center
[email protected]

From: MCSE_Instructor <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 7:55 AM
Subject: Free Certification Courses
Free online Certification Courses
http://www.CreativeLearningLabs.com
Click the 'lessons' icon on the navigation bar at the top of the page.

From: Steven Doka <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: Make Certifications Count (A Call To Action)
I've heard that too.   I've also heard of courts rejecting the Professional
Engineering Society claim that a CNE was claiming to be a real engineer.  I
personally disagree with the court because I find many
similarities--especially when it comes to Electrical Engineering and the
routing of cable for a network system.  Let's face it, most of the layer 1,
2, & 3 stuff in the OSI model are governed by IEEE.  In addition, the SNMP
protocol was developed by an electrical engineering professor at the
University of Tennessee.
Nevertheless, the point that I would make is that certification has to focus
on fundamentals--not a specific product.  Just because someone goes and and
receives training (and possibly  passes a test) at Carrier or Trane center
doesn't make them a mechanical engineer certified in HVAC.  The second thing
I would point out is that in the other professions, there is a legal claim
to the title.  You can't claim to be lawyer unless you meet legal
requirements.
Steven

From: Amiri Jones <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: Make Certifications Count (A Call To Action)
Let me see you say that after you've earned your CCIE....
"Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:#622T74ABHA.1276@tkmsftngp07...
To be perfectly honest all certs are now a joke thanks to companies like
Troytec.  Anyone with ZERO computer experience can get their MCP's,
MCSE's, CCNA, etc..  I laugh at these people and I cry for those that really put
the effort into learning computers.  Just my 2 cents.
Let's see perhaps due to the turmoil of the Engineer problem lets rename
the certs altogether.  Lets call it.
My Cert Seems Empty
My Cert Seems Dead
My Cert Died Between Algorithms
Computers Can Not Add
Computers Can Not Program
Just some attempts hahaha
"Anyone can make a mistake.  It only becomes an error if you refuse to
correct that mistake."  Admiral Thrawn
"Consultant" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:eDeAZx9$AHA.1352@tkmsftngp05...
just go get your ccie, ms certs are a joke anyhow
"Kim Fyfe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
As a certification holder, and network engineer and a instructor I have been
pondering this proposal for quite some time.  I would like to post it for
review and comment.
Certifications such as the MCP, MCSE, CCNA, CNE and others are currently
being discounted in today's market because of the sheer numbers of people
that have obtained certification and of those people the strikingly large
number that do not possess the knowledge to implement the technology
they are supposedly certified to manage.
This is due in large part to a large number of lucrative jobs, a focus by
educational institutions to cash in on the training demand and by companies
and/or individuals that produce exam prep software that is nothing
more than reproduction of exam questions. The result is the "paper
fill-in-the-certification" and consequently low salaries and respect for
certification.
Because I know and associate with professionals from other fields such as
CPAs, attorneys, doctors, auto mechanics, engineers and other trades
like construction, all of whom have industry certifications, I have had
opportunities to speak with them about their certifications and requirements
to obtain them.  Almost without exception their certification was not based
on an exam alone.
An example is my wife, who is a CPA (Certified Public Accountant).
She first must complete not only here bachelors degree plus 45 credits of
continuing education (which is usually a Master's program) but also work
2000 hours for an CPA firm  in addition to passing the CPA exams.
Obviously
doctors and attorneys have not only a vast amount of education but also
internships and such before being allowed to practice their trade as an
individual.
Then why are IT professionals held to any less of a professional standard?
Are we better than other professions?  Are we less organized?  Are we
lazy?
It strikes me that a professional that encompasses so many of tomorrows
critical job skills that we do not take our certifications more seriously.
We do not educate employers on what certification mean, how they are
obtained or how to verify that a employee is certified.  We do not have
a formal code of ethics nor a grievance process.
Because of these issues it is, in my opinion, time to hold ourselves
accountable and begin to treat our profession with respect.  It is time to
begin requiring certification coupled with either documented training or
work experience before a certification is granted to a candidate.  We
must act in order to re-establish our profession as a legitimate one among
our companies and institutions.
I propose that if you are a certified IT professional or are seeking
certification that you let companies like Microsoft, Novell, Red Hat, Cisco
and others that you want your certification to mean something.  Make them
understand that exams alone do not, and cannot, measure the competence
of an individual to perform the job they are becoming certified in.  If we do not
fix this system your certifications will continue to lose ground as more and
more candidates beg, barrow and steal certifications through less than
honorable means.
I will post this to my web site at http://www.nwttc.com.  Please feel free
to reply to my at [email protected] with constructive feedback.  You
don't have to agree with this.  In fact, if you don't I would like to know
why. I would also be interested in your thoughts and ideas about drafting
this posting into a more formal proposal to be submitted for comments and
perhaps an RFC.  I can't see why there can't be a RFC for certifications...
Bruce Fyfe, Network Engineer,
Northwest Technology Training Center
[email protected]

From: Karen <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Best Study Material for W2K?
passed 70-240 using
- Sybex Accelerated Study Guide (not too bad)
- MS Press Training kit for 70-240 (too long & disjointed)
- Syngress Osborne Accelerated Study Guide (probably better than Sybex - if
you can cope with the book repeating sections & generally having a strange
order.)
used TechNet when I needed more information
for practise exams used Transcender and the Test yourself book from Syngress
Osborne.
my best suggestion (which I have seen in this group over and over again)
- make sure you understand DNS very very well.
Karen
A+ N+ MCSE
"Jeff Farrar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:#6W#8SxABHA.1716@tkmsftngp05...
I would like to know what the group considers to be the best material for
study in regards to the W2K track specifically the 70-240 exam. Here is
what I am currently using:
Microsoft TechNet Articles
Microsoft Windows 2000 "Step-by-Step" Guides
The Microsoft Windows 2000 Deployment Guide
MCSE Windows 2000 Accelerated Training Kit
MOCs number 2153 and 2154
I have a home network set up with 3 units with Server on 2 of the units and
Pro on all 3 units. I am doing the labs and exercises in  the MCSE Windows
2000 Accelerated Training Kit  and following the steps in the Microsoft
Windows 2000 "Step-by-Step" Guides. I have 15-20 of these guides and about
10-15 TechNet Articles. I have also read the majority of the Deployment
Guide which is well over 1,000 pages.
I would like some suggestions for more study materials that might help out
in addition to what I am already using.
Thanks!
Jeff Farrar MCSE NT 4.0

From: december <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 11:37 PM
Subject: I am MCSE now
I worked about 8 months.Days and nights.And on Friday I passed my last
exam.I worked the moc and sybex.But for 70-216, I worked moc, sybex and
Windows help files.is there anyone to say something to me about America,
Canada, New Zeland or Australia ....Because I am not have experience.I
wonder if I  have a chance for abroad?I am from Turkey.Thanks.

From: Ken MacLeod <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: Would You Like to Help Me
Hey Chief
Don't forget to mention on your resume that you cheated on your cert exams.
You lessen the achievements of real MCSE's.
That might have worked in grade school.
Doesn't work in real life.
PeeWee Herman
"Chief" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I am looking for the Transcender for the Migration exam (70-222).  Don't
give me the crap about going to Transcender, and all this other
shit...just if you have it drop me an e-mail.  I got a lot of stuff to trade, so
contact me and we can make a deal.