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Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 4:07 AM
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From: newbie <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 1:16 AM
Subject: Study Group
I am in the Chicago area looking for a study group. I'm currently taking
2152 class. I plan to take the 70-210 & 70-215 exams in June. Let me know if
anyone's interested in forming a study group.
 

From: Kevin <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 3:00 AM
Subject: Re: Hi!
You might start by learning to be patient.  You posted your question at
11:21 and then ask again at 1:31?
How long have you been working with the OS?  What other experience do you
have?  Have you studied any other books, etc?
You really didn't give us much information to go on.  The class is enough
for some people.  Some people don't need the class.  Others may need the
class as well as lots of lab time and other reading materials.
"newbie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:O5bWrROzAHA.1396@tkmsftngp05...
Hi It's me again. Is there anyone out there who can answer my question
newbie <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:u#N2AJNzAHA.2184@tkmsftngp02...
Hi, I'm new. I just got done taking my 2151 class and I'm about to start my
2152 class. Will these classes be enough to take 70-210 & 70-215 exam?
TY in advance.

From: Dragon <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: Questoin for 70-210
There are a couple of ways of doing this.
First is a bootable floppy with network client. Basically when you boot from
a floppy you are using the OS from the floppy, in this case probably MS DOS.
Once booted with that, you can map a drive in DOS and start the installation
or there are some other ways as well.
Another way is to start the installation via network card. Some network
cards have network boot chips on them which, when started, directly load the
basic OS over the network.
HTH
"erich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I just started study for 70-210 test.
I have the MS Press Book, Exam Cram, and Transcenders. I'm trying to really
understand the material vs. memorizing answers.
Question about over the network installs on multiple computers without a
current OS. How can a computer without an OS connect to a server with the
I386 Win2000 installation files? I know you could upgrade to Win2000 this
way, but with no OS?  The book says you need to boot from a client disk that
includes a network client and defines network client as some software.
Could somebody explain this to me a little better.
thanks
erich

From: xirito <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 8:54 PM
Subject: transcender, braindumps and the rest history within three months?
INDUSTRY  ?By Rachel Fielding, Computing  [17 Apr 2001]
Microsoft gets tough on tests
Microsoft is clamping down on practice test providers for its certification
programmes, following concerns that its exams are becoming too easy.
The software giant has employed an anti-piracy manager in its certification
and training division, and warned that litigation is likely after
discovering that mock exam questions available over the internet had been
copied directly from Microsoft's exams.
"We've created a huge market for Microsoft certified services engineers
(MCSEs), and a lot of companies have made their fortunes by helping people
to get through these exams quickly," said Robert Stewart, general manager of
Microsoft's training and certification division.
"Some people pass the tests, but an hour later they remember nothing," he
added.
Microsoft has changed its Windows 2000 MCSE certification track following
concerns that the exams don't properly reflect the skill sets needed by
today's developers. The certification will include a focus on system design.
"One of the biggest issues facing us is making sure that we're arming people
with the right skills to tackle the issues facing our largest customers,"
said Stewart.
He added that the Redmond giant was considering a new certification track
aimed at entry-level software developers as a step up to the MCSE level.
"The changes to the exams combined with the focus on anti-piracy will help
ensure that certification really means something," he added.
Microsoft expects to make an announcement in the next three months about a
new certification track for Biztalk and XML technologies.
"We're looking at our MCSD (Microsoft Certified Software Developer)
certification and considering ways in which we can make a certification
track relevant to web developers. We're looking at the skills needed for
software architects with a view to a possible certification track."
Also published in Computing

From: DEMAN Thierry (MCSE+I,MCDBA) <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: after exam 70-244
Perhaps a too quicky reading error, the passing score was 740 on my report!
Bye.
Thierry DEMAN-BARCEL? NORMAND INFORMATIQUE (Partner MCSP)
http://www.normand-info.fr
MCSE+I, MCDBA7 (Sp?ialit?: Exchange5,PROXY2, IEAK5, SQL2000Design)
Personal web: http://www.deman.nom.fr/thierry/pageprincipale.htm
"Commander Raven" <[email protected]> a ?rit dans le message news:
[email protected]...
"George" <[email protected]> wrote:
after 70-244 beta, microsoft printed a report that they will inform me
the result after 2 months or more.....................................
I just got my results last Friday.  I passed with a score of 840.  720
was passing.  The exam goes live April 17.
If you haven't receive your score, you should soon.  I took the test
the second to last day in the afternoon.

From: JayDubb <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: Things to know....
I've taken Cisco and Microsoft exams at 2 of the Prometric testing centers
in our area.  For every exam, the Prometric staff has offered me scratch
paper & pencils, and any time I needed a calculator there has been a
button on-screen that launches the Windows calculator.  The only thing you
need to bring with you is knowledge.  :)
Good luck!
AlexC wrote:
Is that different regions have different set of questions? or they all
connect to the central exam database?
I'll go for 70-215 next week, my 1st MCP exam, i'd like to know if the Test
Center provides any paper and pen ( u know, sometimes the questions are so
bad worded that u cannot visualize without writting it out) and
calculator(mostly for calculating the subnet).
Thanks,
Alex

From: David.Chen <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 1:29 AM
Subject: Re: Minimum Spec for MCSE - Microsoft says 64Mb Ram .. ?
There is a difference between Microsoft and real life.  Just go with what
Microsoft says on the exams, and go with real life experiences in real life.
It's crazy to install today's OS on anything lower than 64MB, 128MB is my
absolute personal limit.
David Chen, MCSE, A+, Citrix CMA
Manager of Systems Administration
Salsa Systems, Inc.
[email protected]
"Morgoth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:OkH86r2wAHA.1928@tkmsftngp05...
is this right? ...as many of the MCSE reference books refer to the absolute
minimum spec of 32Mb
I'm confused - personally I wouldn't try to install on a machine with 64Mb
but I'm not setting the exam (70-210)
Please clarify,
Cheers :)

From: Joseph Callimari <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 5:05 AM
Subject: Re: 70-210 Exams
Janet,
You may want to try http://www.troytec.com
I had a lot of success using their study guides.
-Joseph
"Janet" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Anybody has these exams to practise?
Thanks

From: Mike <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: SALARY IN CANADA
Canada is a big place....
Big difference between Ottawa, Vancouver, and Toronto when compared to the
rest of the country....
I'm in London, ON, and am at 40K
Korny wrote in message <#GFylqcwAHA.1120@tkmsftngp03>...
Can anybody pls. give approx. salary range for IT prof. in Canada or where
to get info on that. Thanks

From: Dragon <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: Are books enough?
MS has a reputation of not having complete information regarding one exam in
a single book. In the recent books, they have done a much better job than
they did earlier. I personally would not reply only on MS Press books for an
exam. I believe there are lots much better books out there. Check bn.com and
look for reviews. You can also check out Amazon.com.
HTH
"superstu" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I have just bought the 4 core module books from MSPress. Will I be able to
pass the exams after studying these by myself? I'm working in an IT
enviroment and have access to loads of resources.

From: SteveS <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Who employs "paper MCSEs"?
On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:33:05 GMT, (Jeff Cochran) wrote:
It's like paper MCSEs are so many nowadays that one keeps wondering who
employs them or how they get jobs. Maybe somebdy has something to say about
this?
"Would you prefer paper or plastic?"  :)
Actually, every paper MCSE will get a job if they want one.  They'll
get a better job later.  Around here it seems the paper MCSE's always
get hired at the cushy high-paying jobs just to piss those of us with
experience off.  When they depart from that position six months later
we cackle with glee at the employer getting what they deserved, then
watch as another paper MCSE gets hired for the position.  :(
Jeff
Jeff,
I don't mean to be argumentative.  Not at all but don't you ever luck
out and get that "paper MCSE" who is inexperienced but full of
knowledge, aptitude, and has a not-so-steep learning curve?
I agree that they shouldn't be making as much as you but they can be
an asset to an IT staff (not to mention a candidate for crawling up
into the ceiling to run cable <g>).
Regards,
Steve
MCSE, N+

From: BUBIPOO <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: 70-210 Failed My Story and Useful Info
stick with it digger, you do the miles and you'll get there. good luck in
your future studies
"AL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Well I took the test Monday and I failed I got a 560.  I studied for a
little over 2 months and I used New Riders Book, and Trancenders.  I know if
I would have had the year experience on the job it would have helped me with
some of the questions.
My point of this post isn't for pitty its to help people out.  I put in
alot of time studying the book and trancenders, I when I was done I wouldn't
say I was I grand master of the material but I thought I had a solid understanding.
When I took the test there were some questions that were asked that I just
didn't know!  They weren't covered in the the new riders book or the
trancenders.  So what I'm trying to say is it wasn't for lack of effort the
knoweldge just wasn't available to me.
I came home and was upset I wasted 100 for the test was gonna have to pay
and take it again, and I was gonnna have to study more, but I already knew
my information that I had available to me pretty well.
What I did I joined bearshare.com and to my surprise they had alot of
helpful study materials for the test that I could read right now I"m going
through MCSE Training Kit for 70-210 and I've been through the first 5
chapters already and I've learned alot more stuff that wasn't covered in
the other materials that I had available to study from.
The point of the story is I think that it might help when studying for these
tests if U don't have that year experience is to get your hands on maybe a
few books, cause they do offer some different perspectives and information,
that other books may not.
PS please spare me the speech of using bearshare.com to get study material,
I paid enough money for a book and for the test I"m gonna have to take
again, so don't flame me for what I"m doing in that respect.  I am putting
the time in and really trying to learn this stuff.

From: Marco <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: Who employs "paper MCSEs"?
Why is everybody frustrated about Pape MCSE's? To me it seems one should be
frustrated about the Manager that hired them.
Where I am currently working as System Manager, we had a paper MCSE who
runned the show before me. I took it over in 4 days and never had to make
calls like: euhm, how does this or that work.
I am only NT4 core certified, but those exams didn't bring much new, even, I
think they were hard, because I had to forget about hands on experience and
the way Microsoft wanted me to solve a problem.
I am now gonna do Windows 2000 and see where it gets me. I have no Active
Directory Experience, since we don't use that yet. But I will be responsible
for the implementation. To a certain point you could see me as a paper
vertified person, because The AD is completely different from the NT4 domain.
If there is anyone that read a book about NT of 2K and said that there
wasn't anything new in there why did they bother to read it at all. It's not
the way that you are certified and the experience before certification, but
it's what you do with it.
Some paper MCSE's will be as good or even better as the experienced MCSE's,
some never will.
Marco
"bagabu" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:uOTQ3NQvAHA.1968@tkmsftngp03...
It's like paper MCSEs are so many nowadays that one keeps wondering who
employs them or how they get jobs. Maybe somebdy has something to say
about this?

From: Inspectorclaven <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: new MCSE version?
The XP exams will be added to the 2000 track, but will not replace the
existing 2000 exams.  Any 2000 exams that are new to the 2000 track (in
other words not the legacy electives) will still be around when the XP exams
hit.  In fact, Microsoft states that you will need to have Windows 2000
experience before taking the XP exams.  What this means... I have no clue.
They have not specified (to my knowledge) whether a 2000 MCP will be
required to take the XP exams or if they just *recommend* you have 2000
experience.  Time will tell.
Inspectorclave
"Joe Letter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:OcYffHZvAHA.1924@tkmsftngp04...
With the new version of Windows coming out this fall is there new of a
revamping of the mcse2000 track?  How serious of a revamp?

From: S.Y. Paul Lai <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 10:43 AM
Subject: 070-229 and 070-244 LIVE!
070-229 starting from April 14, 2001
070-244 starting from April 17, 2001
http://www.microsoft.com/trainingandservices/default.asp?PageID=mcp
I think we will receive the beta result within two weeks.

From: David.Chen <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: Who employs "paper MCSEs"?
Here are pros and cons of paper MCSEs:
Pros:
1) They have at least been exposed to the technology and terminology (even
if it's from the book.)
2) They have a broad knowledge of interaction between Microsoft systems
(Operating System, TCP/IP, various servers, etc. even if they are limited to
book knowledge.)
3) They are very trainable for entry level administration jobs
4) They are cheaper than "experienced" people if they are not arrogant
enough to ask for "average" salary.
5) By just being able to pass the exams, they've shown that they can at
least learn new things on their own.
Cons:
1) They cannot be counted on to do intermediate to advance administration
tasks alone.
2) Some of them are arrogant enough to ask for the same pay as the other
MCSE, even if the other have more experience and real-world problem solving
skills.
3) They generally require a mentor to answer silly questions like, "How do I
open Active Directory?"
4) As time went by they are very disgruntle as if somehow their MCSE status
has raisen them above all the other more experience administrators without
MCSE certs.
Conclusion:
As a manager, you have to be straight forward with them from day one.  Let
them know their status and stature and what you expect of them, and what
this company expects of them and realization of their "true worth."
Generally I like to hire young paper MCSEs as my junior admins, they usually
do a decent job and have vast potential.  And the turnover rate has been
lower now with all those lay-offs, and in fact, I recently hired a junior
admin that was once the "Network Infrastruture Manager" of some dot-com....
David Chen, MCSE, A+, Citrix CMA
Manager of Systems Administration
Salsa Systems, Inc.
[email protected]
"bagabu" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:uOTQ3NQvAHA.1968@tkmsftngp03...
It's like paper MCSEs are so many nowadays that one keeps wondering who
employs them or how they get jobs. Maybe somebdy has something to say
about this?

From: Jeff <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: mcse
Apparently, XP is based apon Win 2000 and no certification upgrade will be
required. A fellow MCSE W2K is now working with beta 2 and said it is pretty
much the same. I would (and did) go for the Win 2000 MCSE while there is
allot of study material now available.
BTW, Troytech has excelent practice exams, but be careful with the answers
they give.
Jeff MacLaurin
MCSP, MCP, A+
Mark Doyle <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:859301c0bc7c$ddda4610$9ee62ecf@tkmsftngxa05...
I spent a lot of time networking windows 3.1, 95, 98, and NT. Now I plan on
some certification. I know I can persue win2k, but is winxp available as well?
How to decide where to spend the $$ ? If someone becomes proficient in win2k will
they pick up xp on the fly ?

From: David.Chen <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: Where to Start with Certification??
Sounds like you're a developer with 5 years of VB5.  Ever look into the MCSD
certification?  They are a less watered down and the job market is great.
Anyway, if you want MCSE2K info go to the Microsoft website.  It's got great
information there.  Usually people start off with operating system test,
than move on to network-related exams (TCP/IP, etc.)  Finally specialized
application exams (SQL, Exchange, etc.)
David Chen, MCSE, A+, Citrix CMA
Manager of Systems Administration
Salsa Systems, Inc.
[email protected]
"stuart.gibson2" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Hi many thanks for taking the time to read this.
It is my intention to learn all i need to gain MCSE certification, but where
to start there seem to be an extraordinary amounts of exams to take.
how or should i say where do i start, friends that have already started
training are looking at networking essentials. but i hear that this exam
becomes invalid next year????
can anyone offer some advice on where to start.
experience wise i have 2 years of VB5 with 5 years building PC's and a
brief understanding of protocols/ TCP IP etc...

From: Paul Lynch <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.certification.mcse,microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:11 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone added UNIX to their skills?
Get yourself a copy of Solaris 8 for the Intel platform from here :
http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/binaries/
You can either download the iso files (legally and if your connection
is quick enough) or you can buy the media for approx 75 US$
Then get yourself a copy of this book and your on your way :
http://www1.fatbrain.com/bookinfo/bookinfo.cl?theisbn=1400522498
Unix is a good skill to have - and its not the black art it's
practitioners would have you believe either.
Paul
MCSE
On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 06:46:14 GMT, "Powerslave" <[email protected]>
wrote:
I am in the Virginia Beach area and I'm thinking about taking some UNIX
classes (or trying to teach myself).  It seems like every employer out there
wants UNIX and Microsoft.  Is anyone else encountering the same thing?  If
you have added UNIX to your portfolio, please post a response.  How similar
(if at all) is it to the Microsoft stuff?  What are the best training
materials for a UNIX newbie?  Is it worth my time... in other words, will my
pay significantly increase for my efforts.  Any info would be usefull.
Thanks.
Rankin

From: Karla Hook <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: Passing score for 210?
620
"Big Sexy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Can someone tell me what the passing score for 70-210 is?
Cheers,
Y

From: Mike Wilson <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 5:32 AM
Subject: Re: WinXP beta2!
Contact http://windowsbeta.microsoft.com after becoming a Beta Tester
for the XP beta program.
On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 13:10:13 -0400, "najm" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi guys, I am not from the united states (north Africa), I want to get the
XP beta but it's going to cost me a fortune to get permission to send money
abroad+shipping fees. I am not able to pay more than $100 for a beta (this
is what it is going to cost). do you know guys where I can download  a copy
for free. thank you for your help!

From: Excuse Me <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: huh
"If you can find 1 sentense that inspires you when reading a book, that book
already worths it costs."
=== Chinese Proverb.
Well personally, I don't have problems using braindumps as a reference for
my study in the past, not because I copy the answer, but because of the way
i viewed it: as anpother exercise books / notes for some real life /
simulated problems that may arise but i have never came across them
personally. I found them not very useful in exams, actually, but useful in
my daily practicing in my company when problems arise. It helped me think in
another way, the microsoft way, for instance.\, and bingo! i knew why i
couldn't fix it for the whole day!  It is to me just another version of
going up to the newsgroup, posting a problem and ask for help (i.e. you can
post 3 questions a daily in the news group every day and ask for answers,
what difference does it make?)
Hope those who are studying can share knowledge, but not COPY them......
Trust me, it won't help a lot.
ExcuseMe
MBA, MCSE, MCSE 2000, MCDBA
Jimmy <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
who is cheating i saw that someone asked for brain dumps ? a way to study
?? get a little more informed i dunno i didnt see anyone ask them to take
a test for them