An Interview with Mridanga Vidwan Madras
A Kannan
Radio Sangeetha Sammelanam Concert of Ganakalanidhi Dr. Vinjamuri Varadaraja
Iyengar in 1956
Sri Govindasami Naikar Violin, Sri Madras A Kannan Mridangam, Sri Alangudi Ramachandran
Ghatam,
Tambura Gopal onTambura, Chitti Babu (Disciple) Vocal Support
During my visit to India in Feb March of 2008, another musician
that I met was Sri Madras A Kannan. It was quite an adventure to find his residence as he
moved from behind Madras Music Academy to a flat on Lloyds Road. Sri S Rajam
and MMA gave the old address. The telephone number in the directory did not work in spite
of trying for a few times at various timings and during several days. I went in search of
the house hoping that someone in his old neighborhood would know where he moved to. But,
they could only say that it is close to Jayalalithas office. For my
third attempt I was totally determined that somehow I should find him and I called the
directory assistance and asked them to give me the address of Madras A Kannan. Luckily
they had something under Mridanga Vidwan and so finally I got the correct address. Thus I
could go to the building and find my way to his flat.
Madras Kannan, in spite of
all the laurels that he obtained during his long illustrious career as a Mrindanga vidwan,
is a very unassuming person. He was very pleasant, a little
hesitant in the beginning. I gave him the picture of his playing for my Father Dr
Vinjamuris 1956 sangeetha sammelanam program. He immediately warmed up and the
conversation went on for a long time. He was so moved by the whole experience of my visit,
when I was to leave his place he told me that he feels as if his own daughter is leaving
the house! I too was very emotional and did not want to leave him or put an end to the
conversation, but I had to. What an experience! - Sandhya Vinjamuri-Giri
As
soon as I gave him the photo that I framed and brought for presenting to Kannan, he was
very pleased and started looking at it along with his son. The picture was my Father Dr.
Vinjamuri Varadaraja Iyengars vocal concert of Madras Sangeetha Sammelanam in 1956
with Govindasamy Naikar on the violin, Madras A Kannan on the Mridangam, Alangudi
Ramachandran on the Ghatam, (Tambura) Gopal on the Tambura and Chittibabu (Fathers
disciple) for vocal support.
After he finished looking at the photograph and realizing that it was
from 1956, he commented about himself to his son jokingly and with a tinge of pride,
did you see how ayya was sitting?. He also told me that someone
who is the son of Tatachari of AIR (he could not recollect the name of the person but also
a Vinjamuri) also is conducting our Fathers day (Birthday or the Memorial Day or
something that he could not recollect) in Mylapore. He said PB Srinivas presided over the
function one year and he (Kannan) presided also one year in which he also talked about
Father (need to be investigated!).
I
asked him to talk about his association with my Father and his playing for my
Fathers concerts as I heard from (Late) Bangalore Venkataram (Ghatam Vidwan) that he
played for a lot of concerts of my Father. He said, many people remember that they played
for so and so and, so many concerts, in this place or that. But, he does not remember
those details about any Vidwan, not just Father.
He
said A lot of others might have told you that they played for so many
(number) concerts of him. But, my association and affection with your Father is not just
as Mridanga Vidwan and Vocal Vidwan. That is how our friendship started, but later it
became more than that. We were like members of the same family with the affection and
closeness and, the way we used to feel happy and proud of each others achievements.
More than the concerts alone, we used to meet often and talk a lot about Kutcheries and
other things. The discussion would not be about others or little things. We always used to
talk heartily about the big people (older generation Vidwans) such as Ramanuja Iyengar,
Viswanatha Iyer, Tiger Varadacharier, Mazavarayanendal Subbarama Bhagavatar a
very great vidwan, I played for him also. I started playing for Sangeetha Sammelanam
programs from the time they were introduced. When they first introduced Ragam Tanam
Pallavi program in AIR, the first person to sing was Mazavarayanendal Subbarama Bhagavatar
for which also I played. Thus Father and I would only speak about periya Vidwans like
those. Other than such things he did not know how to make small
talk and I did not know either."
The one big specialty about your Father was, at all times
he used to look as if he was going for a kutcheri! It does not matter whether he was going
somewhere, or to work or for the concert he was always fresh looking, happy and was
with delightful conversation. All the time that I knew him, I never saw him moody or
otherwise. Since we were always discussing about the maha vidwans, we never used to think
of ourselves to be big. We had the longing of becoming like them but we never thought of
ourselves to be big. My Guru used to put a meTTu that even today I feel I still cannot get
the same sound. I will somehow play but cannot play equal to my Guru and get his sound.
People call me periyaVidwan and give me titles
and put information in the papers and all, but I never let it get to me. Your Father was
also in the same way.
While
singing in the Kutcheri, a lot of singers as well as accompanists think of themselves to
be great artists and showoff a lot. But when your Father used to sing in the concerts he
used to sit very majestically and naturally (without any special act for the occasion),
just as we are sitting and talking, and he used to sing
without any affectations and I too used to play just like that. There are some singers who
shake their bodies and hands, move the head up when they sing in Tara sthayi and lower the
head when they sing mandaram and such actions. I am not criticizing anyone but I am saying
this to emphasize that your Father did not have any such affectations. He did not have any
undesirable actions during his kutcheries. When he sits on the dais in a majestic way with
his angavastram on (he would not take it out and put it aside), he used to look so good
like a royalty and his presence would make the sadas like a raja darbar! The majesty that the older generation artistes had -
that kind of majesty was present only with Vinjamuri Varadaraja Iyengar!
As
his daughter you are meeting the vidwans and making them to talk about your Fathers
greatness; I do not know what you will be doing with all this but, I think he is more
fortunate to have a daughter like you than all the music, name, fame and fortune that he
acquired. I think you too are equally fortunate to have been born to such a great artiste
as his daughter.
I
dont remember when and where I played except the names of the vidwans. I do remember
the particulars only about the incidents that happened when I was very young. In Mysore
court there used to be a vidwan called SubbaNNa Veena SubbaNNa. I went there during
his time, played for him at the palace during Dassara celebrations. There was another
vidwan called Narayana Iyengar who was the Mysore palace court musician. In those days,
samasthana vidwan had a bigger position as a right-hand person to maharaja. Many people
could be just Asthana vidwans without such importance. Mutthia Bhagavatar, SubbaNNa,
tiTTai Krishnaiengar, Mysore Vasudevachar were all there. I played for Vasudevachar also
at the darbar when I was 12 years old and also when he was the principal of Kalakshetra
with Rukmini amma, at that time also I played for him. Rukmini Amma had a special liking
for me. She brought Tiger Varadacharier, Mysore Vasudevachar, Budalur Krishnamurthy
Sastrigal and such great vidwans as principals and honored them. By doing so she honored
herself, the Kalkshetra and the Carnatic music itself. She used to have special affection
for me. So I played for all such important and great people. I believe it was tigers
Memorial Day for which they had Maharajapuram Viswanatha Iyers Kutcheri. For that
also I played. That day was pongal day, January 1st or Chtra 1st or
some special day. That day she did not give any presentation to anyone. Someone told her
that it was some special day for me. So she brought a silk (uttareeyam) and put for me
alone. Viswanatha Iyer was very happy for me. The reason why I am telling you this
specially is; either during present times or in olden times, it is very rare that someone
will have the large heart to feel happy for the next person who was honored when they
themselves were not honored. But, that day the way Maharajapuram Viswanatha Iyer showed
his happiness for me - it was as if his own son was felicitated!
To
talk about your Father, I do not remember details about whether I played for concerts,
whether it was Ragam Tanam Pallavi or Radio program or National program or where and when.
I do not remember such details about anyone.
When
some people sing we feel sorry for them as they appear to be singing with so much of
strain. But Vinjamuri used to sing very smoothly. It is the case of only one or two out of
hundred! When Ramanuja Iyengar used to sing, he used to sing songs effortlessly and
continuously without even breaks in between. After him, it is only your Father who had
such a pattern. Some people sing a song and then break for coffee or give interval. He did
not have such breaks. Once he sits for the concert, until the concert is finished he would
sing very smoothly and easily. His voice also was very pleasing to the ears. People could
have a lot of knowledge but if the singing is not smooth and pleasurable to listen to, it
is of no use. How much ever one knows if they do not know how to present beautifully, it
would not be good. Only people who are thorough with tremendous practice and concentration
could make the presentation smooth and beautiful, like your Father. For example, on the
day of the concert that might be at 6.00PM, I would not pay attention to food or breakfast
or whatever but would keep looking at the mridangam sruthi or check the sound or the look
at the thoppy and so on. In spite of doing all that the evening may not go smoothly. But I
do not think about it but concentrate only on what I have to do to prepare. This
preparation and concentration is what makes the God to show mercy there. Not because I
deserve but because I concentrated so much. He would think, poor man he did not even think
about his meals or Tiffin or breakfast but was checking the mridangam all the time hitting
here and there and He shows his grace (laughs). We cannot be making changes to sruti at
the concert, so we have to do it at home. Even after all this, there will be mike
adjustment; ambience, audiences and their facial expressions affect the performance also.
There will be some audiences who will be stone faced, who will show no emotion to whatever
has been sung. Whether they are knowledgeable or not and whether they are able to enjoy or
not cannot be read on their faces at all. But some people are such that we get inspiration
by just looking at their expression. Only experts will have the concentration not to be
distracted by all these and be able to perform smoothly on all occasions. That was there
with your Father. In all the concerts that I played for him I noticed that he would not be
distracted by anything. Of course, I always try to help make the concert a success and not
concentrate on making myself look good. Some people try to make themselves look better
than the singer. But my opinion is that the accompanist should allow the main artiste to
be the center of the performance, like the way my Guru used to do.
Once
my Guru played for an artist the way he treated him was, as if he put him in flower
palanquin and gently moved it and such was his respect for the singer! I always think
about it and follow his footsteps. From the old time giant artistes to the present day top
artistes, say Balamurali, when I play for them they liked very much and appreciated as if
someone is singing along. I used to play for your Father also in the same way. He used to
feel happy about my playing more than his own singing. He used to talk to me in Tamil and
sometimes in Telugu also. He used to say, I am happier with your playing than my
singing even and encourage me.
The
more you talk with many more big vidwans than me about the vidwat and Music of your Father
and propagate his greatness the happier and prouder I will be! As a friend and as an
admirer of him, I will be more proud of him than even you as his daughter!
You
are born in a family where there is opportunity to do something like this (you have a
Father who was a great musician and therefore you are able to do this). I tell you; even
that occurrence is one in thousands! I say this because, unless you have so much of
affection and respect for your Father and his music, who would, on purpose go in search of
Vidwans and ask about their association and their experience with your Father? For you to
think of doing this I will pray to God to give you all the wealth and all that is good in
the world and I pray that you should have a long and a happy life!
Just like Appa I too want to look presentable. For your taking my
picture I want to put on the shirt. (He also put on a huge Navaratna Mala).
About
Music and other Topics
Sruti
and Laya is sangeetham. To have Laya correctly one needs to put the talam with stress.
Otherwise the layam will not be as good. It looks to me that Sanjay Subrahmanyam strains a
lot to sing, it is seen to the naked eye. If you close your eyes he would sound very good
but when you look at him you feel that he was singing with a lot of strain. When Tiger
used to sing, no one would know what he was going to sing, he himself would not know. I
will tell you a story about Tiger. When I was 6 years of age my father passed away. When I
was 8 years old I had my Mridangam Arangetram. For that Tiger Varadachariers vocal,
Parur Sundaram Iyer for Violin and my Mridangam. See what happened when I was 8 years old,
the memory is still solid in my mind. All the others that happened later on cannot be
recollected by me. You know, Tiger had the habit of putting the first beat and keep
singing and then again another beat after a long time. He used to have all the
calculations in his mind and would not put the talam continuously. In the same way we too
need to have the calculation in our mind to play for him. Once I was playing for a concert
in Mylapore and Parur Anantharaman was the violinist. S Ramananthan was there and was
talking about me with the organizer. I believe the organizer told him, Look at
Kannans playing; he takes the picture of the singers singing. For which S
Ramanthan replied, No, he does not take a picture; he takes an X-Ray itself. I
did not narrate this story to anyone until now. Since you are so genuinely happy to hear
about someone elses success and glory, I told you this. I never told anyone else.
I am very happy that you went in search of my address and came to see
me. Because of that I got this opportunity to talk about your Father. You talked with many
vidwans but as his friend and well wisher I am honored to be able to talk about him. You
are happy that you gave me this picture of your Father with my playing. But what I am
happy about is: by the grace of God you are doing well and are happy. Dont think
what else do I need? I am telling you, by Gods grace you will become more
sreyas. I am not forecasting or fortune telling. We have the sastras and all
the others. But whatever is done in the name of our Father and Mother, the God will be
happier, I believe. Whatever Yagam, Yagnyam or rituals are done, God is more contented and
happy when things are done to ones parents. Only people who are brought-up in a
traditional family will have such a belief. Out of all the creatures created by God, man
is the only one who could talk. All the others also have a mouth but they cannot talk. The
scriptures say that the reason man is given talk is to praise and worship the God. But God
is happier with the people who say the prayers (do things for their parents) to their
parents than saying the Gods prayers. You had been doing this for your father that I
am so happy for you. It is your fortune. But, he also had done a lot of good deeds in his previous life to give birth to such a
satputri like you. Mostly only people who had done good deeds are the ones who
would be involved in music. Music is the most favourite of all bhakthis to God. Each
person expresses his bhakthi to God in a different way. But musicians have the first
preference with God, like ThyagarajaSwamy, Naradar, Anjaneyar and others. (Kannan sings
SrI kAnthimathim) Sukha saunakAdi sadA sEvitham
Kannan
started talking about the Father- Child relationship and how Sri Thyagaraja Swamy enjoyed
calling Rama with various names such as Seetha Raman, Janaka
Suthaaramana, Pattabhi Rama, Ayodhya Raman, Kausalya Raman, Kodanda
Rama, Ramayya Rama and many others. Thyagaraja was still not satisfied
and called him Raja pamkthi ratha raja tanaya Sri Rama. (Kannan sings
Rama Ninne Namminanu Husseni Thyagaraja Kriti to discuss the
meaning as he learned from a Telugu Pandit.) Here he (Thyagaraja) brought a new
Raman as rAaja pankthi ratha rAja tanaya SrI Rama. I am sure you
understand the meaning to some extent. I will tell you the inner meaning. Thyagaraja Swamy
is saying appA, your father Dasaratha maharaja was the jewel of sUrya vamSam, he
ruled ayOdhya for 60,000 years and he was a great king who was endowed with the army of
ratha, gaja, turaga, padAdi (he had the army of chariots, Elephants, Horses
and people on foot and more such) and YOU are the son of such a great king! The reason why
I am saying all this is I will tell you. I am always curious about things and I have a
passion for this song. I thought it would be nice to know the meaning also. When I went to
an out-station concert I met a great Telugu Pandit and asked him about the meaning of
Raja pankthi ratha raja tanaya Sri Rama then he gave me this meaning.
Not only that, he told me that as I asked him with reverence and interest he gave the
short meaning but if one wants to elaborate it would go on for over an hour.
Thyagarajaswamy thought of Rama as his God, father, brother, son and also a friend. He
wanted to address him with various names and feel happy as any father would like to adorn
his son in various ways and feel happy. . Sri Kannan asked me what my name was in
order to tell me why he was elaborating the meaning of the word that Thyagarajaswamy used,
so much. I told him (for the first time in my meeting him) that my name is
Sandhya. He started saying, ammA when you came, if you had told me
sir, my name is Sandhya, I came from America and I am in this big job there, I came
to see you, it would have been one way. But you said I am Vinjamuri Varadaraja
Iyengars daughter, Sir. Then the respect does not go to Vinjamuri Varadaraja
Iyengar but actually it goes to you! Thats what Thyagarajaswamy was saying. The
pride to Rama is to be called as the son of HIS father. I feel proud only to be called
Ramadas Raos disciple. If someone says, He is Ramadas Raos
disciple, Sir. He had the opportunity to meet and be blessed by Dakshinamurthy Pillai,
Sir. He was praised by Dakshinamurthy Pillai, Sir, that is what is the recognition
to me. I played a lot for Semmangudi Srinivasa
Chari (Iyer). He used to live next door to our house on the Lloyds road. We used meet
often and talk. He used to come to our house too as we are very close to each other. Once
when I went to his house, he called me in and offered a seat. I was looking at the
pictures there. There was a picture with Dakshinamurthy Pillai Mridangam and he was the
vocalist. I saw that picture and said Sir, I listened to this concert, when you sang for the grand old mans violin playing. I
did not say HE played for YOUR singing but said YOU sang for HIS playing. He looked not
very happy but said, Kannan, we had been known to each other for a long time, from
the time you were very young, what is your age? I
said, please dont mistake me but I do not want to discuss my age with anyone
other than a doctor or someone like that. You had known me for so long, you should also be
able think and decide. Hearing my answer he laughed but looked a little
disappointed. Auto Parts Natarajan was also there. He said, Do you understand what
Kannan is saying? Semmangudi replied, I dont understand what he is
saying. The meaning in what I said was You are so much older than me; you had
been seeing me for so long and never made an attempt to know my age. Now since I said I
attended you concert with Dakshinamurthy Pillai Avl you are asking my age. You yourself
could have calculated my age. Auto Parts Natarajan understood this and told
Semmmangudi. He then said, okay I will calculate myself. Not many could
confidently say that you sang for Dakshinamurthy Pillais violin playing
because it is 70 years since Dakshinamurthy Pillai even passed away. That means the
concert is more than 70 years ago. So he was curious how Kannan could know this and asked
for my age. The reason why I am saying this is, when we have to ask someone about
something we have to think twice before asking. Some people ask question without
hesitation like, what kind of job you do, how much your salary is or how many children do
you have. Unless one knows the person very intimately and have long association one should
not ask questions that might make them uncomfortable. That is how I was raised. In my
experiences in concerts or otherwise I had such situations that I faced but I never showed
any emotion even a little. I dont even tell anyone. I used to tell only my father
when he was alive. He will listen to it all and ask me what did you say when they
said that? I used to tell him, I did not say anything, just kept quiet. He used to
feel happy about it. Some people complain when something is not up to par. But I never
complain about anything. Only people who did not have any association with big
(periyava) people only do that. Dakshinamurthy Pillaival did not even know how to
complain. Take Tiger Varadachaiar for whom I played from my young age. He used to preside
over a lot of concerts also. When someone gives a concert for 3 hours, wont there be
at least 5 seconds of good of Mridangam or Fiddle or
vocal? He takes that and praises the persons and blesses them. That is the quality of
big people. But people who are not big (not really great vidwans
with large heart) will find the only slip in a concert that was all good and complain and
talk about it. This is the difference between real great vidwans and not-so-great vidwans.
After people like Dakshinamurthy Pillai there was another periyaval
that is Palghat Mani Iyer. He would not talk about anybody: show any emotion he
does not praise good or criticize bad. Kanchi periyaval said dont feel happy
when something good comes and feel sad when something sad happens. This is not an
easy thing to practice. But, Palghat Mani Iyer had this quality. When anyone praises or
honors him he would not show any emotion and he does not criticize anyone. He was such a
balanced person. I will share a happy occasion with you once I got Asian
International Music award. This was during the time when Indira Gandhi was the prime
minister. Veena Emani Sankara Sastri and I were selected for the award. He was also in
Radio at that time and I was in Radio too. The Government sponsored us and sent us for the
award and they interviewed us, and put the information and pictures in the papers. Yehudi
Menuhin was the president there that year. I have a picture with him also. All these
pictures were published in the papers like The Hindu, The Mail etc. with the information.
It looks like Mani Iyer saw them. I believe when Emani Sankara Sastri came here (Madras)
for an AIR concert, Mani Iyer saw him and congratulated him for his award. He seemed to
have asked for me. At that time I was not in AIR. The next evening he sent a disciple of
his to my house to find out whether I was home. He used to live close-by in Lakshmi Puram
in those days. It should be like furlong between my house and his. He was close to
Srinivasa Perumal Koil. He was opposite to that Koil. We used to see each other often. The
disciple came and said that Mani Iyer wanted to see whether you are home. I told him,
Why, I am here and I will come to him? He said, No, he did not ask me to
bring you there; he wanted me to see whether you are home. He is leaving town this night
so I came to see whether you are home. I
came downstairs and was waiting there expecting his arrival. He came in vesti and thundu.
I cordially invited him upstairs and made him have a seat. He said, I saw in the
papers that you and Sankara Sastri got the Asian International award, I am very
happy and pulled out 2 lemons and gave them to me and said, Offer one to God
and with the other, ask someone older than you
to take drishti to you. I said I will do that and said it is because of the
blessings of elders like you. He said, You are saying that it is all because
of the elders blessing for the sake of respect for elders. I will take it as only
respect. But (he looked at my fathers picture and said) it is your fathers
blessings. He did not say it is Gods blessings but said, it is your
fathers blessings. I am telling you this to emphasize the importance of father. Such
a great man Palghat Mani Iyer! After Dakshinamurthy Pillai, who was not a vidwan but was a
MAHAN, it is only Palghat Mani Iyer. He was a Maha medha vidwan.
Continuation from Audio Tape
Dakshinamurthy
Pillaival had sajeeva Samadhi. He got into the Samadhi when he was still alive. A lot of
people wrote about it. He had his time setup and as the people were praying and ringing
the bells he got into the Samadhi chamber. A lot of people saw that with their own eyes.
My Guru saw that. Also, Saraswathi Bai amma, who was a kathA kAlakshEpam artiste, saw that
with her own eyes and wrote about it. That is the reason why I had been calling him a
Mahan.
Another
thing that I noticed about you is how interested you are in knowing about older generation
musicians. I usually dont talk about the older generation and I do not have anyone
to talk to. I have no reason for me to talk about also as people are neither interested in
hearing nor have patience. They just live in the moment - not even a day.
Kannan asked me about Giri (my husband) and what he does. He said he
was asking not to know what he does but to appreciate that he encourages my musical
activities. When I told him that I am a fan of Ariyakudi, Kannan talked about Ariyakudi
reminding about what he told me previously about Ariyakudi that he does not waste even 10
seconds. He also mentioned that some people sing Ragam and Tanam for 30 minutes and sing
Pallavi very short, so disproportionate that he would feel whether it is necessary to have
such long AlApana. But Ariyakudi includes Varanam, RTP, Kritis, Javali, Tillana all
important items in the concert and nothing makes you feel excess. Ragam will not appear to
be excess, Tanam will not appear to be excess or Pallavi will not appear to be excess and
he sings one after another like bullets charging, as if a recorder is played
with machine-like precision. Kannan started talking about Ariyakudi. I played for
him for a lot of concerts. That is a rewarding experience. In Samayapuram there used to be
a person called Sundaram. He used to have Sri Rama Navami ustavams and all the great
musicians used to perform there. That was in olden days where I started playing for him.
Only later on that Palghat Mani Iyer. Palani, Sundaram and others started playing for
Ariyakudi. Did you hear about Haridasa Giri.
You must have heard about him after he took sanyasam. He honored me once in Naradagana
Sabha. He was in Gopalapuram and I used to meet him often. (Unfortunately
the rest of the story is not taped as the tape reached the end)
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