Another Lecture of Prabhupada, which can CLEARLY refute

Another Lecture of Srila Prabhupada, which can CLEARLY refute

the Final Order by Krishna Kant

Dear Devotees,

Hare Krishna. Please accept my humble obeisancess. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Here I am presenting another lecture of Prabhupada, which can clearly refute the conclusions given in the Final Order book.

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Here are few paragraphs (Comic Sans font) from the FINAL ORDER BOOK:

“Diksa cannot be offered to a sudra [...] This initiation is offered not according to Vedic rules, because it is very difficult to find out a qualified brahmana.” (Srila Prabhupada Bg. Lecture, 29/3/71, Bombay)

Thus, strictly speaking, Srila Prabhupada should not have initiated any of his western disciples since they were all born lower than the lowest Vedic caste. Srila Prabhupada was able to over-rule such Vedic laws through the invocation of higher order sastric injunctions.

The difficulty with this theory is that the instructions Srila Bhaktisiddhanta left his disciples, and the ones Srila Prabhupada left us, are different. Srila Prabhupada certainly left instructions that the GBC should continue managing his Society, but he said nothing anywhere about the emergence of a future self-effulgent acarya for ISKCON. Instead he set up a ritvik system whereby he would remain the acarya “henceforward”. Obviously, as disciples we cannot jump over Srila Prabhupada and start following Srila Bhaktisiddhanta.

If Srila Prabhupada had been given some dictation from Krsna that his Society was shortly to be helmed by a new acarya, then he would have made some provision for this in his final instructions. Instead, he ordered that only his books were to be distributed, and that they would be law for the next ten thousand years. What would a future acarya have left to do? Srila Prabhupada has already put in place the Movement that will fulfill every prophecy and purport of our disciplic succession for the remainder of the Sankirtan Movement. (Taken from The Final Order)

Here are some excerpts from the lecture given by Srila Prabhupada in December of 1976:

Disappearance Day of Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati, Hyderabad December 10, 1976

Prabhupada: "...simple expression of reverence and love. The disciple, Abhaya Charan Dasa, was to become His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, founder-acarya of International Society, Krishna Consciousness." So whatever I appreciated forty years ago, the same principle is going on. We have no change. What I understood my spiritual master... Practically I met him in 1922 and this poetry was written in 1936. That means fourteen years before writing this poetry, I met my guru maharaja in 1922.

Here Prabhupada mentions that the principles of Bhagavad-Gita are same for all time. They have no past, present or future. But in the final order, they argue that Prabhupada has changed some Vedic principles; and thus ritvik is also new addition by Prabhupada. But here and down below, Prabhupada never promotes any changes to the Vedic principles, which are absolute in themselves, being the sound representation of Sri Krishna. May be ritviks think, Sri Krishna, a cow-herd boy, who is in the heart of all living beings is not competent enough to give Vedic Principles (which are eternal) that will be effective in Kali-Yuga. If they don’t think like this: why don’t they accept the standard parampara method??

These scientists, they cannot explain what is the chemical composition is there. But there is. So that is in the hand of Krsna. So this knowledge means to understand the original source. That is philosophy, find out the original source. That is knowledge. So the vedais ca sarvair aham eva vedyo. Actually the knowledge terminates when you understand Krsna. He is the source of everything. So there is a "struggle for existence, a human race, the only hope, His Divine Grace." So we got this information from His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, and that knowledge is still going on. You are receiving through his servant. And in future the same knowledge will go to your students. This is called parampara system. Evam parampara prap... It is not that you have become a student and you'll remain student. No. One day you shall become also guru and make more students, more students, more. That is Caitanya Mahaprahu's mission, not that perpetually...

Here again, in 1976, Prabhupada is encouraging his disciples to qualify themselves to become authentic gurus, for the purpose of continuing the disciplic succession of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

Yes, one should remain perpetually a student, but he has to act as guru. That is the mission of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. It is not that because I am acting as guru, I am no longer student. No, I am still student. Caitanya Mahaprabhu taught us this instruction that we shall always remain a foolish student before our guru maharaja. That is the Vedic culture. I may be very big man, but still, I should remain a foolish student to my guru. That is the qualification. Guru more murkha dekhi karila sasana. We should be always prepared to be controlled by the guru. That is very good qualification. Yasya prasadad bhagavat prasadah. Ara na kariha mane asa. So we should become always a very obedient student to our guru. That is the qualification. That is the spiritual qualification.

Prabhupada: Forty-three years. So it is better late than never. Yes. So he desired me. I thought, "Now I am a family man. Let me adjust things." I would have accepted immediately but I was not so intelligent at that time. I thought my responsibility to family is there. Let me wait." But still, guru maharaja was so kind to me that when I was grhastha, I was seeing him in dreaming and I was... He asked me, "You come with me." So I was going, and after that, I was thinking, "Oh, I will have to take sannyasa and go with him?" So it appeared to me very horrible. I was not very much inclined to take sannyasa, but guru maharaja is so kind that he ultimately forced me to take sannyasa and do this work. So it is all his kindness. So this is the memory of his kindness. So forty years ago I remember the same thing as it is in 1922, and still the same thing is going on. There is nothing new. We have nothing to do, new. Simply let us present as it is; it will be successful.

Now, here Prabhupada is giving his experience of 54 years. And according to Prabhupada there was no change in the instructions, or some of his instructions being different than the instructions of his guru maharaja. But in the final order, ritviks claim that some of the Prabhupada’s instructions are different than his guru maharaja’s instructions. But here & in many places Prabhupada says, no change, no change, no change has happened to any of the principles given in Bhagavad-Gita, and THAT IS PRIME CAUSE OF HIS SUCCESSFUL PREACHING.

Considering the conclusions given in Final Order: “Who is trying to change the standard parampara principles (evam parampara praptam)?” And when this question is asked, the ritviks say that it was Prabhupada who has changed, and not them. And they use the argument that Prabhupada has ruled-over some Vedic Laws during “Diksa” (initiation), which is not offered to the Sudras. But are the disciples being initiated by Prabhupada sudras?? (who do not follow 4 regulative principles of illicit sex, meat eating, gambling & intoxication)

And the ritivks say that Prabhupada should not have initiated western disciples, because they are lower than the lowest of the Vedic castes. Haven’t ritivks read the Bhagavad-Gita’s verse that “Varnasrama dharma” is based on quality of work and not by birth?? So, if by Prabhupada’s association (fire), his disciples have attained the qualities of brahmanas(fire), should they not be allowed to take diksa (initiation) from Srila Prabhupada?? And how did Prabhupada over-ruled Vedic Laws by giving initiation to his western disciples?? Had Prabhupada not taught us to neglect the bodily identification, and come to the spiritual platform.

According to ritviks, if one is considered for diksa (initiation) on the basis of race & culture (western), then it is nothing but bodily identification. How can anybody who is illusioned by maya like this give proper knowledge or conclusions?? Because as spirit souls everyone: westerners, Africans, Indians, etc are same, and as human beings if one has understood that he is not this body, but spirit soul & one should elevate himself to become pure devotee of Sri Krishna, should they not be given initiation by Prabhupada??

Prabhupada: Yes. So we shall discuss again. So the same thing, it is chalked out by Krsna, and by parampara system we have understood this philosophy. Evam parampara praptam imam rajarsayo viduh. So keep this parampara system. This Vyasa-puja is parampara system. Vyasa-puja means to accept this parampara system. Vyasa. Guru is the representative of Vyasadeva because he does not change anything.

What Vyasadeva said, your guru will also say the same thing. Not that "So many hundreds of thousands of years have passed away. Therefore I will give you a new formula." No. There is no new formula. The same Vyasa-puja, the same philosophy. Simply we have to accept it. Then our life will be successful. Thank you very much.

Devotes: Jaya! (end)

Here Prabhupada is very crystal clear, and re-affirming not to try to change any of the formulas given in Bhagavad-Gita.

And the ritviks also say that “If there is a self-effulgent acarya after Prabhupada, then Prabhupada will get dictation from Sri Krishna, regarding: who is the next self-effulgent acarya, and then Prabhupada will give that information to his disciples of: “Who is the next guru?” after him.” But do the ritviks consider that it is Sri Krishna’s will whether to let Prabhupada know about the next self-effulgent acarya or not. So, ritviks must have assumed that Prabhupada did not get the message from Sri Krishna in this matter. But ritviks are adamant enough to argue that Sri Krishna must give this message to Prabhuapda, and Prabhupada must inform this to his disciples. I do not get from where the ritviks have manufactured this idea, considering the clear statements from Prabhupada & his predecessors, that an “acarya” is not rubber-stamped, but self-effulgent. Here ritviks are intelligent enough to assume that “rubber stamping” must be done by acarya, Prabhuapada. If rubber-stamping is done by Prabhupada, then it is not a mistake. But Prabhupada, a great acarya, says that “acaryas are not rubber stamped”.

So, we now need to make a decision on whom to follow, Prabhuapda’s instructions or the author of the Final Order.