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Question &
Answer
How can a
god of love send a man to hell?
Am I correct in
these assumptions?
- God loves the
people he created.
- Hell is not
exactly a pleasant place.
- God is
omnipotent and could ease the pain of the people
in hell, even if he didn't invite them to join him
in heaven.
Alex R.
One must
admit that Christianity is by no means consistent
as regards the character of God that it
attributes. However, and I open this up to
everyone, can anyone think of any other religion
that gives God such a milksop image. There have
been preachers who focused on justice in relation
to divine being and, Lord knows, the Old Testament
if full of it but the New Testament is a bit
confusing. You do have the ingroup and outgroup
distinction with members of the outgroup (i.e.,
non-Christians) looking forward to all kinds of
problems and the ingroup being subject to very
special conditions (unconditional forgiveness by
Christ's agents: John 20:23). It is admittedly
very strange indeed and God in Christianity is a
trifle incoherent.
Yours in God,
David Howe
Dear David
There is from a human standpoint a certain tension between God's justice and God's love so that that sometimes it is difficult for us to conceive both aspects of God's goodness simultaneously. A God who did not forgive would not seem loving, but a God who overlooked sin would not seem just. God combines a most tender love for sinners, with an absolute hatred of evil. Sometimes one or the other aspect shows forth more readily.
God's love is absolutely universal - there is no human being for whom Christ did not die.
Unbelievers
{I kind of prefer the Latin based term infidels
but it sounds excessively derogatory to some} like
all men, are certainly included in God's universal
love, which is precisely why He desires to draw
them out of their unbelief and into His grace and
salvation.
Fr. Gregory
Dear
Gregory,
Um. Perhaps I
went too fast. The issue is not whether God has
universal
love
or universal hate (which would also appear likely)
for the sinners of the world, but that it is
honestly not our business to decide.
Further,
Christianity is the only religion I know of that
takes the issue of Divine Mercy out of the hands
of God and makes it, in literal terms really, the
business of the Church. Whether dispensed in "good
faith" by some self-appointed holier-than-thou or
given out in "bad faith" as in the history of
indulgences, the Church has always made a shifting
habit of deciding what's right and wrong and then
has expected God to underwrite the bill involved
(including the most varied and curious
interpretations of His Will) irrespective of
reality (just look up John 20:23).
Notwithstanding
the difficulty of interpreting the Divine Being,
does it seem reasonable to you that God would
willingly condone this definition of His being by
those who do not even assume an open relationship
with it (Would you give people the power to
forgive things willy-nilly in your name?
Imagine.), but rather stand with the confused
teachings of Christ between them and Him.
Christianity
has all the appearances of a glorified chain
letter: If you don't do this you will have bad
luck type of thing. In summary, often Christians
seem to think God is an idiot which appears to be
a great comfort to them but I'm sure has little to
do with God.
Yours in God,
David Howe
Dear David
Christ certainly shared his authority and his work with the disciples in His earthly ministry. Unless one takes an Ultra-Protestant reductionist stance of the Jesus of History, (which Catholicism, Orthodoxy and orthodox Protestants of course do not), then it also appears that Christ committed this authority to his Church on earth after His Ascension as well, (the power to bind and loose).
If the Church's judgement on these matters has been, (as you suggest), regularly capricious, arbitrary, inconsistent and unjust, then the bulk of Christians throughout the history of the Church have been buying into a "lie" for a very long time.
The arrogance of this assertion far outweighs the impact (even for hardened Protestant opinion) of a considered exercise of a ministry developed over 2 millennia for which there is an enormous fund of pastoral experience and godly discernment. Are you aware of this?
Yours in Christ
Fr Gregory
Dear Fr. Gregory,
As you say:
If the Church's judgement on these matters has been, (as you suggest), regularly capricious, arbitrary, inconsistent and unjust, then the bulk of Christians throughout the history of the Church have been buying into a "lie" for a very long time.
I'm so glad you understand and have had the courage to think it through. As far as I can see it, that's the unhappy fact of the matter.
Yours in
God,
David Howe
Dear David
I take you for an intelligent man not given to putting words into peoples' mouths. As the readership will have noticed I said "IF..."
Of course I do not accept your premise; I was merely making it clearer for its underlying presuppositions. I shall assume either infelicitous language or an inexact reading of my text; but please be careful when quoting others!
(Any other interpretation of your answer would reveal sarcasm. I shall assume purer intentions!)
Yours
Fr Gregory
Dear Fr. Gregory,
Sorry. But sarcasm, me, I'm not smart enough!
After all, I did get into this absurd argument with you, didn't I? Sarcasm
requires intelligence. However, I will admit that Socratic irony was a rather
low blow. No need for intelligence with Socratic irony. Thank goodness, Fr. Gregory!
In terms of
this issue, however, I was rather supposing that
you were aware of the most recent examples of this
capricious and autocratic (not to say tyrannical)
element as expressed by Pope John Paul II's
issuance of Motu Proprio "Ad Tuendam Fidem" (June
30) which confers infallibility on the Apostolicae
Curae and bishops in general and the more recent
Apostolis Suos again coming from John Paul which
limits bishop power and gives the Pontiff final
and absolute power over all discussion in the
church. He can now override everyone.
Now, if this
does not illustrate my case, we have lots of
evidence from a revised reading of the Bible (just
look at and contemplate Mathew 5:27-30, Mathew
7:1-6, Mark 3: 22 in this light) and also we have
the curious centuries of heretic and witch
persecution, torture and burning to include in the
church picture in order to get it into a clearer
frame.
Respectfully
yours,
David Howe