Note: this letter is not anonymized on special request.
Dear Spank With Love,
You have created a fascinating, fair and very useful website
resource for everyone involved in the discipline of children.
Yes, I am aware of the danger of confusing the word discipline
with punishment. Discipline is teaching. My goal as a parent
is to inculcate a values system in each of my children so that
they can mature and take their place in society as responsible,
ethical adults.
Sometimes it becomes necessary, to help inculcate self-discipline,
to go from normal positive reinforcement to effective negative
reinforcement. Punishment needs to be carefully selected to
meet the needs of specific individuals. There is absolutely
no way to decide, by long distance, what is best, or even
appropriate.
Just as the fine concept "discipline" has been co-opted and
corrupted by the ignorant who think it synonymous with punishment,
the useful punishment "spanking" has gotten a bad reputation
because fools use the term loosely to cover acts ranging from
careless smacks to the face and hands to outright abusive
beatings. For this reason it is vital that a Spank With Love
movement exists.
The non-parent experts can rant all they want about finding
alternative punishments less "violent" than spanking, to be
PC. Have they asked the children involved? Have they actually
tried such things as reduced privileges, Time Out, and that
all-time favorite nebulous concept, Grounding? Let's take a
look at Time Out. When first discussed in professional
educational journals, this was a system resulting from
research at the School of Education, Department of School
Psychology, at Temple University. Nearly all the graduate
students doing the research were directed by Irwin A. Hyman,
Ed.D.
Twenty-some years later, in his book "Reading Writing and the
Hickory Stick" (1990 p138...) Hyman writes: "Time-out is a
widely used punishment in schools-and it has been greatly
abused. It has increasingly entered the list of causes of
EIPTSD (Educator Induced Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) in
young children."
With all the out-of-school activities necessary for a teenager
planning a good college education, is it practical to set up
a computer program to keep track of when the child is allowed
to be away from home on authorized business and when that
child is supposed to be grounded at home?
Is it practical to constantly monitor computer use to be sure
a child grounded from chat groups is actually doing homework
on-line?
The list can go on and on. Often to the person getting punished,
it is the over-all perception of fair justice that is important.
After that, the form of punishment is not so important. No
punishment is fun, or it would hardly be negative reinforcement.
Being PC is of no importance. Therefore to those children
raised with love and occasional spanking, this demonized,
totally controversial, non-PC relic of bygone eras, SPANKING,
is perceived as a routine "cost of business" to a maturing
teenager and older kid.
Where this becomes a parenting art more than science, is
finding a way to make this cost of business adequately steep
that wrong-doing is discouraged, without being so violent as
to cause harm. This is where Spanking With Love is so important.
This is why everyone who even thinks about spanking needs
to visit your website. I think they should also contribute
time, money and share their experience with you. Unfortunately
I do not know where to send you financial contributions.
Next best is to offer my experience.
Currently my own children are: Alexis, 16yo and Ben Junior,
13yo. Living with us while in college and being mentored by me
is Cynthia Davis, 22yo. At various times, all have received
millions of hugs from my husband Ben and myself. Rarely they
have needed to be spanked. When Alexis was about 7 none of
my original methods of distraction and positive role modeling
kept her out of mischief. Shortly after the first time I gave
her covered bottom a couple of smacks while taking her to a
corner, we discovered just how effective a more formal, over
the lap, spanking on panties can be. Ben Jr (BJ) received
the benefit of my increased parenting skills, so I started
spanking him at a younger age, about 6. Unfortunately, by the
time Alexis was 11, those gentle over the lap spankings did
not help her. Nor did any of the popular alternatives.
At that point Cynthia had been living with us her final year
of high school so she could simultaneously take some courses
at the university where she had early admission. She came to
us from her family, long-time friends of ours, well behaved,
with remarkable self-discipline. Cynthia did well under the
structure and close supervision of high school. Unfortunately,
once she was on university campus full-time, with older
students as bad influence and such an open study schedule,
her standards of conduct and self-discipline slid down hill
rapidly. My husband is a professor and dean in the graduate
school where Cynthia was headed. His friend, her faculty
advisor, gave Ben a heads-up that Miss Cynthia was headed
for real trouble.
To avoid a conflict of interest, I stepped in, offering to
be her mentor. When she accepted me in the role, we talked
at great length. Cynthia was wise enough to see all her
years of hard work would be ruined. Shyly, she went to her
undies drawer, and produced one of those plastic paddles
sold by Toys-R-Us as a Fun in the Sun flyback-type game.
Cynthia explained that her late mother had bought it for
her out of frustration, and that it had no hole to attach
the elastic string! Several times her mother had asked Cynthia
to bend over her bed, expose her panties for a few spanks
with the little paddle. So saying, Cynthia calmly walked
to the side of her bed, handed me the paddle, lowered her
jeans and bent over, palms flat on the bedding. She closed
her cute eyes, bit her lower lip and assured me she deserved
to be spanked. By the time I applied maybe 16 spanks, equally
to the base of each buttocks, we both were in tears. We must
have hugged for several minutes. She was just 17 when she
graduated high school, and the first time I spanked her was
late August, before the fall term started. From then until
she turned 20, Cynthia and I spend countless sessions in
her bedroom. Sometimes I would confront her about misbehavior
I noticed. More often Cynthia would confess and accept my
judgment, normally a spanking.
As Cynthia's attitude improved, despite the need for spankings
several times a month, Alexis and BJ were sliding downward.
I took them on a field trip to the nearest Toys-R-Us 40 miles
away from our ranch. There I bought each a new Fun in the
Sun set, explaining the next time either misbehaved, their
paddle would be unwrapped and put to good use. Alexis
discovered the sensation of paddle spanking that evening.
It took BJ nearly a week to test me.
In March of 2001, as Alexis approached 16, she was becoming
a moody, uncooperative self-centered brat. Her plastic paddle
was getting us nowhere. At the same time I noticed the
transformation of her best friend and classmate Amy S. By
Christmas 2000, Amy could not make it through the briefest
service at church without needing to be taken outside by
one of her parents. This is a conservative rural community,
despite the 25,000 people at the university a few miles
away. Amy lives on the next ranch, less than a mile from
us and I know her mother well. Besides, sometimes the
congregation could hear a wail as a parental hand met Amy's
bottom in the hall.
At a committee meeting planning for Easter and Palm Sunday,
I complimented Mrs. S on the improvement in Amy. She told me
she had recently joined a parent effectiveness organization
in our town started by a former teacher from Texas who was
now a Ph.D. marketing consultant married to a sports medicine
physician and professor. One of the tools provided by that
group was a wood paddle with one side covered by a neoprene
pad. That had become such a high cost of business Amy cleaned
up her act after just a few sessions. I asked about auditing
a meeting, and was subsequently invited to a Tupperware-style
party/sales pitch surrounding a worth-while parenting class.
At home after Palm Sunday services I introduced all of the
children to this new paddle, each in their own room. All had
committed serious rules infractions within the last couple
of days, so they knew they deserved punishment. Those were
the last covered spankings applied in our family. Once each
had stopped crying, I gathered them at the dining table, along
with Ben. We made it clear we were united and committed to
their welfare. Since all future spanking would be bare
bottom, the better to ensure all spanks land on target and
that none are too harsh, as parents we decided Ben would spank
our son BJ, while I would punish the girls.
Cynthia was good as gold until the Fourth of July. After
Alexis' first bare bottom spanking, she managed to stay out
of trouble nearly a month, reducing her spankings from more
than weekly. A vast improvement! BJ actually bonded better
with his father and shows me renewed respect, only needing
a spanking every few weeks.
Peace does not last, unfortunately. Following the horror of
September 11, Alexis fell into one of her old gloomy moods.
Shortly before Thanksgiving she began to act-out in really
childish ways, much like the way Amy had misbehaved the previous
year. I turned to the parenting effectiveness group for
help. Our leader/consultant mentioned "If she acts like
a child, use children's punishment." Searching on-line
through various parenting groups, I eventually found your
site shortly after New Years. Based on the recommendation
of my parenting class, I was thinking of trying over the
lap again. Coincidentally, New Years Day the only mass market
store open was a Sav-On which I rarely visit, with a
display of sturdy wood hairbrushes. Honestly, I bought one
because it seemed good for my hair.
The only drawback for me to traditional over the lap is
that Alexis is almost my height. Mothers I know warned that
I would not find this working as well as when the kids
were little. Someone suggested a modified version, with
the child supported on the bed facing away from me on my
left side, with the bottom over the outer aspect of my left
thigh. By twisting just a little, I would have a good angle
to spank and could visualize the bottom very well. That
suggestion seemed to have merit. Then I got to the "Spanking
Positions" chapter on your site. Right there, at the end of
page one is Over The Lap, Facing Backwards. You describe
it was I had learned it, but you do not recommend this
position. In your opinion, "It is not as comfortable as
normal 'over the lap' position, and it recuses verbal
communication during the spanking because the child's head
is positioned behind the parent's back."
Thank you. In fact, my voice is often called a fog horn
and I can verbally communicate across fields without a cell
phone, so I don't think recusing communication will be a
problem. Besides which, I rarely scold or lecture after I
start active spanking. I want to concentrate on the target,
and I want the child to focus on the moment, doubting they
hear much anyway.
To test the comfort theory, in a parenting class conducted
that the large home of our leader, we paired up, so mothers
of equal build and height were working as a team. All of us
were dressed as we would at the gym. Using a bed, a couch
and several different kinds of pillows, we workshopped over
the lap and over the lap, facing backwards. Our conclusion:
After some adjustment, it actually is far more comfortable
for both disciplinarian and naughty person, at least until
the spanking starts. The improved angle and visualization
were most effective. Even the mothers with natural soft
voices, rare in our community, could bring on a command
voice that got around the recusal issue. It was tempting
to try more than reaching and patting the proffered
targets, but that would have been kinky and wrong. Playing
the role of child, I found my left arm was blocked by the
"parent's" body, and my right was easily controlled by the
parent's left hand. Even with my face in a pillow I could
not escape hearing the discussion from behind me.
That was then. Subsequently I have administered two spankings
using full-on over the lap, facing backwards (OTLFB). In
addition, because Alexis had learned of my plans prematurely
and had become curious, I provided her with a 4 spank
"Taste Test" hoping to prove to her she would not want
this kind of spanking.
Sure enough, because of the childish connotation, I do not
need to use nearly as much force with OTLFB, so the redness
fades very quickly, but the residual memory lingers.
Dear, Sweet, Caring Spank With Love moderator and experts.
Please rethink your recommendations. I suggest that in many
cases, OTLFB is more appropriate than OTL.
Of course, I also note you do prefer the hand as the spanking
implement. I beg to disagree, with respect. Just as grounding
is not practical, neither is spanking with the hand. For
example, although we live on and operate a working ranch, I
earn my living as an ER trauma nurse supervisor, who is
constantly on-call. I cannot risk even temporary injury to
my hand due to contact with sturdy athletic teenage buttocks.
My husband teaches veterinary surgery, so he must retain his
delicate touch.
Fortunately although you do not recommend either the paddle
or hairbrush, you do not strongly discourage them, as you
rightly do the belt, strap and tawse.
You are correct, the hairbrush has bad potential, but if the
back is flat, as is the Hair Doc model 849 I own, it is
functionally a small paddle, light in weight. Like all aspects
of discipline, punishment must be done with love and only
after practice and a lot of thought.
It might sound weird, kinky and even silly. In class we even
considered the proposal that each of us experience a brief
spanking to see what it is like for our children. In my
case I was only spanked three times, the last being when
I was 10, so it had been 26 years previously the first
time I spanked Alexis when she was 7. Fortunately for the
sake of my backside, the consensus was that sort of
full-contact workshop was not appropriate, nor would it be
circumspect. If publicized it would be embarrassing and
counter-productive.
I apologize for the length of this important message. I
hope you do give some of my suggestions consideration. I
thank you for your attention and for the outstanding service
you provide with your website.
Should Spank With Love have a way of receiving financial
support from fans and visitors who benefit, please be sure
to contact me. My check book is open and ready!
With deep gratitude, cordially, Judy P. Goodman, RN