End of the World as we know it.

I don't feel fine.  It's September 15 2001, the Saturday after the Tuesday when the attack happened.

Here's what folks on one list had to say, back on the 11th:

Quark,

    I, too, agree with you. There are certainly times when one must stand and be counted. Unfortunately, war can be, and sometimes is, one of those necessary evils that must happen. The cowardly acts against the people of the USA that happened today should not, and I repeat, should not be ignored, nor smoothed over. Once it is absolutely certain whom is responsible for these acts, there should be a major offensive to ensure that our way of life will never again be threatened in this way. Was was a viable tool of our ancestors, and should continue to be so when deemed necessary to preserve our safety and way of life.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: quarkxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:37 PM

Subject: [CentralVa-Pagans] Magickal request
 

Folks,

I don't like to pass on mass mailings, especially on this list.  But
I feel that recent events are of such severity that it is important
to stand together, somehow, to do what we can in the face of atrocity.

There is one thing in the below mailing that I disagree with.  The
author urges us to send energy to the nation's leaders to discourage
them from considering war as an option.  I couldn't possibly disagree
more.  There are times when war is not only necessary, but a benefit;
and we don't know yet, but this may be one of those times.  It is not
only our friends, families and businesses that have been attacked.
It is our core community values.  I an certain that no matter what
else happens, the U.S. has been changed indelibly by this cowardly
attack.

Regardless of my personal opinion, which I realize will not be
popular in the larger Pagan community, I am passing on this mailing
in its entirety:

--------------------------------------------------

Please join in with magickal people worldwide tonight in this
working. {etc. etc.}

To which I responded on the 12th:

You guys,
Well, they never had a war that there weren't plenty of people lined up to go kill somebody in.  I don't understand how giving one's life to strike a blow at global capitalism of the military industrial complex is "cowardly," while murdering people from the safety of a stealth bomber is "brave."  The humanitarians seem to have bloomed like flowers in the spring in this country.  Where were they during the bombing of Baghdad?  Where were they while Israeli thugs killed children and burned the homes and crops of Palestinians, in a power play reminiscent of Hitler's take-over of Czechoslovakia?  Everything Israel has done, it has done with America's weapons, America's money, America's blessing, and with America standing by like a big brother to intervene if things ever are not going Israel's way.  If you want to put your life on the line to defend that, then do what you will, but if you don't personally want to put your life on the line for it, then you should not talk of war.

What happened yesterday is a wake-up call.  It's a different kind of world now.  Nobody is so powerless that they can be stepped on safely anymore.  If we make life cheap somewhere in the world, as our gummint often does, well, then they can make life cheap here, and not just here, but deep in the inner sancta of power, where the rulers imagine themselves safe from the consequences of their actions.  Even behind their walls of nuclear weapons, attack helicopters,  and land mines,  still they cannot escape Justice.

Equality has become fact. Only the habits of victimhood and victorhood remain; the realities behind them are no more.  While anyone is still a victim of injustice, nobody anywhere can be completely safe from the repercussions.

As McLuhan said, time and space have collapsed in the world defined by electronic communications.  Anyone can "reach" anyone else to communicate, to help, or to do harm.  Nobody can be safe as long as anyone is denied justice or their basic needs because today's slaves, untouchables, minorities, victims can get guns, bombs, videocams, computers, and credit card numbers.

WE ARE ALL IN THE DARK, IN THE SAME SWEAT LODGE. WE CAN ALL REACH ONE ANOTHER.  WE MUST ALL BE GENTLE. WE MUST ALL RESPECT ONE ANOTHER.  WE MUST NOT ALIENATE ANYONE, BECAUSE IF ANYONE STOPS FEELING THE GROUP'S LOVE, THEY ARE LIABLE TO HURT US ALL.

So go to war if you want.  Chalk up another crime as revenge for another crime as revenge for another crime as revenge for another crime as revenge for another crime as revenge for another crime as revenge for another crime as revenge for another crime as revenge for another crime...

But be honest about why you want to kill.
 

Matt
 

I guess that's pretty close to my unvarnished opinion.  It's really sad that fundamentalists of all stripes want the world to go to war, to fight the crusades all over again with modern warfare, to bring about that Armageddon they are all so psyched up for.  It's really sad that they all worship a god who delights to see them kill each other in his name.  It's really sad that after so much human blood has been offered to this god, it seems only to have made him thirstier for more.  All that is very sad, but does it get any less sad if I join this side or that?  I know it's easier for the Children's Crusade to march triumphantly out of town if there are no nay-sayers in the crowd, but is it necessarily better?  Does evil become good if it is supported unanimously?

War, and war fever are things I have not experienced before in this lifetime.  It's strange and scary.  It's not a good time for independent thinkers.  It's not a good time to think too much, or too deeply.  I don't like the role of the nay-sayer at the outbreak of war.  I don't like what has happened to them historically: jail is about as good as it gets, like Thoreau, and I guess really bad would be either getting shot or ending up on the radio for the enemy like Ezra Pound.  Hard to live that sort of thing down, even if you are sure you are "right."  What is "right" in a situation like this?  And is there any point in being "right" if everyone hates you for it?

What follows I stole from here.
(Inspired by my friend Sarah)

KOHLBERG'S STAGES OF MORAL DEVELOPMENT

A. PREMORAL OR PRECONVENTIONAL STAGES: Behavior motivated by anticipation of pleasure or pain.

STAGE 1: PUNISHMENT AND OBEDIENCE:

Avoidance of physical punishment and deference to power. Punishment is an automatic response of physical retaliation. The immediate physical consequences of an action determine its goodness or badness. The atrocities carried out by soldiers during the holocaust who were simply "carrying out orders" under threat of punishment, illustrate that adults as well as children may function at stage one level.

STAGE 2: INSTRUMENTAL EXCHANGE:

Marketplace exchange of favors or blows. "You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours." Justice is: "Do unto others as they do unto you." Individual does what is necessary, makes concessions only as necessary to satisfy his own needs. Right action consists of what instrumentally satisfies one's own needs. Vengeance is considered a moral duty. People are valued in terms of their utility.

B. CONVENTIONAL MORALITY: Acceptance of the rules and standards of one's group.

STAGE 3: INTERPERSONAL CONFORMITY:

Right is conformity to the behavioral expectations of one's society or peers. Individual acts to gain approval of others. Good behavior is that which pleases or helps others within the group. "Everybody is doing it." One earns approval by being conventionally "respectable" and "nice." Sin is a breach of the expectations of the social order. Retribution, however, at this stage is collective. Individual vengeance is not allowed. Forgiveness is preferable to revenge. Punishment is mainly for deterrence. Failure to punish is "unfair." "If he can get away with it, why can't I?"

STAGE 4: LAW AND ORDER:

Respect for rules, laws and properly constituted authority. Defense of the given social and institutional order for it's own sake. Responsibility toward the welfare of others in the society. "Justice" normally refers to criminal or forensic justice. Justice demands that the wrongdoer be punished, that he "pay his debt to society," and that law abiders be rewarded. "A good day's pay for a good day's work." Injustice is failing to reward work or punish demerit. Right behavior consists of maintaining the social order for its own sake. Authority figures are seldom questioned. "He must be right. He's the Pope (or the President, or the Judge, or God)." Consistency and precedent must be maintained.

STAGE 4 ½:

Between the conventional stages and the post-conventional Levels 5 and 6, there is a transitional stage. College-age students that have come to see conventional morality as relative and arbitrary, but have not yet discovered universal ethical principles, may drop into a hedonistic ethic of "do your own thing." This was well noted in the hippie culture of the l960's. Disrespect for conventional morality was especially infuriating to the Stage 4 mentality, and indeed was calculated to be so.

C. POSTCONVENTIONAL OR PRINCIPLED MORALITY: Ethical principles

STAGE 5: PRIOR RIGHTS AND SOCIAL CONTRACT:

Moral action in a specific situation is not defined by reference to a checklist of rules, but from logical application of universal, abstract, moral principles. Individuals have natural or inalienable rights and liberties that are prior to society and must be protected by society. Retributive justice repudiated. Justice distributed proportionate to circumstances and need. "Situation ethics." The statement, "Justice demands punishment," which is a self-evident truism to the Stage 4 mind, is just as self-evidently nonsense at Stage 5. Retributive punishment is neither rational nor just, because it does not promote the rights and welfare of the individual. Only legal sanctions that fulfill that purpose are imposed-- protection of future victims, deterrence, and rehabilitation. Individual acts out of mutual obligation and a sense of public good. Right action tends to be defined in terms of general individual rights, and in terms of standards that have been critically examined and agreed upon by the whole society--e.g. the Constitution. The freedom of the individual should be limited by society only when it infringes upon someone else's freedom.

STAGE 6: UNIVERSAL ETHICAL PRINCIPLES:

An individual who reaches this stage acts out of universal principles based upon the equality and worth of all human beings. Persons are never means to an end, but are ends in themselves. Having rights means more than individual liberties. It means that every individual is due consideration of his interests in every situation, those interests being of equal importance with ones own. This is the "Golden Rule" model. A list of rules inscribed in stone is no longer necessary.

At this level, God is understood to say what is right because it is right; His sayings are not right, just because it is God who said them. Persons at this level have accepted God's invitation to "come and let us reason together".
 
 
 

... So what does that say?  I think maybe these post-conventional moral levels are the first casualties of war.
 

Here's the email where I said too much.
September 14
 

 I'm sending this on from another list;it seems important to me that this
> information gets widely circulated.
>
> Who remembers the Oklahoma City bombing?At first, that was believed to be
> a Muslim/Arab act.
 

Yeah.  I have wondered this too.
Let's assume for a moment that the gummint really found a car with Arabic
flight manuals in it...  If the terrorists could carry off what they DID
carry off, isn't it also possible they could have come up with a fake car?
So who could it be, besides the Arabs?  well, it may be a long shot, but I
ran a search for the date, September 11, and found it was the anniversary of
the US sponsored coup in Chile which installed Augusto Pinochet.
This coup destroyed the oldest and most stable democracy in Latin America,
according to Chileans I have met.  The legitimate president, Salvador
Allende, was assassinated.  Pinochet's rule lasted 15 years, which is longer
than that of Hitler.  Pinochet was popular with the right because he was
staunchly anti-communist, as well as anti-union, anti-liberal,
anti-democratic, etc.  His rule was characterized by torture, as discussed
in the play and film, _Death and the Maiden_.  His thugs, excuse me, his
duly commissioned officers of the law, liked to put demonstrators inside
tires, douse them with gasoline, and set fire to them.  He killed thousands.
Nixon and Kissinger were personally and directly responsible for his ascent
to power.  He was an American puppet, and so America assumes responsibility
for what he did.  Even recently, when Pinochet was finally brought to
justice, it was the US and British governments that came to his defense,
arguing that no head of state could ever be held criminally responsible for
what was done under them,  (the ancient and venerated Law which states the
Real Bastards Always Get Off...)   The objects that were hit were symbols of
worldwide capitalism, and the military-industrial complex, the same forces
that in the cold war spelled Chile's doom.

yaddaddaddda

Thing is, I wonder how many dates I could run a search on that would NOT
turn up someone with a good reason to do something like this?
[my point is there's more than one possible explanation for this, however
much the media keeps trying to narrow it down, with so little hard
evidence.]

I know some folks think I am naive, but I think there is a Connection
between the decency and honor with which our nation treats other nations and
people, and the likelihood of some hateful attack on us.  In other words, if
our presidents are going to bomb brown people every time they need to juice
up the ol' opinion polls, and if the American people are gonna shout "hell
yeah" whenever they do, then sooner or later it's gonna start coming back.

Am I saying that if we start being real nice they will forget all the dead
and be our friends?  Of course not.  There will always be some nutcases that
would like to try something.  Our chief weapon against them is Intelligence,
infiltration, Finding Out About them.  SO our spooks, and the Israeli spooks
and the Saudi spooks are always trying to wiggle their way into the Moslem
community, buying information, etc.  This spook business is easier, safer,
and far more effective if the tension level is low, if people don't have
legitimate grievances, and if the spooks are not in danger of getting hit
with US made missiles!   Look: comfortable people make lousy
revolutionaries;  people in refugee camps with pictures of all their dead
relatives pinned to the plastic make good revolutionaries.  If the
Palestinians are a threat, then the best bet is to see to it that most of
them don't have so much to complain about, and maybe have something to live
for besides revenge.

The responsible way for our nominal leadership to handle this would be in
two parts: finding out what happened, and trying to prevent it from
happening again.  What happened means all the five W's: who what when where,
how and why.  Prevention would proceed from there:  deal with the "who,"
make the "how" impossible, and render the "why" meaningless by addressing
whatever the problem is.   This administration does not know who, nor
understand why, (though an international-relations undergrad could explain
it to them...) and its plan for making the "how" impossible is going to
restrict freedom far more than necessary, as the right uses this opportunity
to whip up on the usual suspects, like you and me.  And I don't think the
administration is really focused mainly on preventing reoccurrence.  In
fact, every new "act of terrorism" will legitimate the previous "measured
response" from us.  (read, killing people on both sides.  It's one of the
chief lies of patriotism that when we kill them they don't bleed red, and
their families don't get upset... and vow revenge.)  In fact, making this
religious war last and last is probably GW's best shot at a second term.
Permanent alienation of the Moslem world would really help those Texas oil
men... and a national defense argument would roll right over anyone trying
to stop oil drilling anywhere, even in the Chesapeake Bay.

You guessed it.  I really don't care for president junior, and I care for
his old man even less.  He's the one who drew first blood in this war, all
in an attempt to keep the Iraqi oil locked out of the world market, not for
cheaper oil, but to make it expensive enough to keep domestic production
moving at all.  At heart, this is a war between the three great he-god
religions, and between rival gangs of oil pirates from Texas and the Middle
East respectively, both places where men are men, women are property, and
wealth is cattle and oil, and both places where hard-core fundamentalism is
the chief opiate of the masses.  The American people have no place in this
war.  We are being manipulated into it by other parties who do not have our
best interests at heart.  But we elected them, or at least didn't run them
out on a rail when they assumed office anyway...

BTW
Who was in charge of CIA when Pinochet took over?  George Bush.

Lux et Voluptas
{means 'light and pleasure,' which spell check turned into}
Lug et Voluptuous
{which means open mouth, insert foot, etc.}

Matt
 
 

And here's what Starhawk has to say.  I trust her.
 
 

Please Forward...
_______________
Hold the Vision

September 14, 2001

The world has changed in the past week.  An act of violence and horror
has cost the lives of thousands, and shattered all of our plans and
expectations for the future.

We who have been working for global justice now face an enormous
challenge.  Since Seattle, we've built and sustained a movement in spite
of continually escalating police violence and attempts by the media to
paint us as violent thugs.  Genoa did not intimidate us, and momentum
was growing for the demonstrations in Washington DC at the end of the
month. Public opinion was shifting, and the whole edifice of corporate
rule was losing legitimacy.

The terrorist attacks of last Tuesday could undermine all of our work,
at least in the short term. They are the perfect excuse for the state to
intensify its repression, restrict civil liberties, and for anyone who
speaks out against blind retaliation to be demonized.

The mood of the country is potentially ugly.  People are scared.
They're angry.  Their sense of power and invulnerability has been badly
shaken, and in the U.S., they're not used to it.  They're grasping at
anything which can restore their sense of power over their lives, and in
a violent society, that means punishment, retaliation, war.

And many of us activists are also scared.  I know how easily I can sink
into fear and despair right now.  I'm scared of the repression that
might come, scared of being personally targeted, scared of the loss of
our liberties, scared, yes, of further attacks.  But most of all I'm
scared for the movement, which I believe is crucial to our survival as a
species.

And yet I also believe that the current crisis can be a great
opportunity, if we can only see how to grasp it.  Extraordinary times
create extraordinary openings and possibilities.  Our usual patterns and
ways of thinking are shattered.  When structures fall, something new can
be built.

To do that, we have to behave in extraordinary ways.  We need to
acknowledge our fears, but not act out of fear.  Fear leads to bad
decisions and constricted vision, just when we need to see most clearly.

"Hold on, hold on, hold the vision, that's being born," our cluster
chanted in Quebec City.

It may be that the most radical thing we can do right now is to act from
our vision, not our fear, and to believe in the possibility of its
realization.  Every force around us is pushing us to close down,
insulate, retreat.  Instead, we need to advance, but in a different way.
We're called to take a leap into the unknown.

As a movement, we've often been accused of lacking a clear vision of the
world we want.  I think we do have a vision, that includes diversity and
rejects uniform, dogmatic formulations.  But within all its varied forms
there's a clear common ground:  we want a world of liberty and justice
for all.  It sounds downright patriotic but if you think about its
ramifications, they are revolutionary.  And we want a world in which no
one has to fear violence, which is the ultimate violation of freedom.

There are many voices right now trying to mobilize people around fear,
anger and blame.  As radicals, tried to mobilize people out of guilt, or
shame.  This is the moment to reinvent our approach, our strategies and
our tactics, to believe in the possibility of moving people to act from
hope, to act in the service of what they love.  What would this look
like?  It would mean embodying the world we want to create in our own
movement, and in our actions.

Times of grief and anguish can strengthen our bonds.  Right now, more
than ever, we in the movement need each other as never before, and we
need to treat each other well, to cherish and care for and support each
other and become the community we like to imagine.  Our solidarity must
go deeper than we've ever known before.  Solidarity means listening to
each other with respect, and being willing to protect and support people
with whom we may disagree on many levels, or who might simply irritate
us.  Solidarity means strengthening our practice of direct democracy,
our openness and communication with each other, our willingness to bring
everyone to the table and give everyone affected by a decision a voice
in making it.  It means putting aside our usual internal politicking and
maneuvering and treating each other with openness and trust.

This is not simple to do.  But in a moment when the ordinary patterns of
life around us have been shattered, shifting our own patterns of
behavior may actually be easier.  Perspectives change, and the issues
that last week seemed so important now seem trivial.

What would this look like tactically, say, in DC two weeks from now?
First, we'd have to deliberately drop our assumptions, whether they are
that confrontation is always the strongest action, or that nonviolence
is always the most moral action, or that direct action is always our
strategy of choice, or that a march and a rally with speakers are the
ultimate form of politics, and ask what makes most sense?  What is most
visionary?

I'd like to see whatever we do involve some kind of process of mutual
discussion and education around our visions of alternatives.  And I'd
like to see us think of ways to take that outside of our own groups and
into the community, and to bring in voices from the community to teach
us about their issues and concerns.  That could be a consulta, a
teach-in or maybe a learn-in, where we go out into the community and ask
people how issues of power and inequality affect their lives, or what
their visions are of the world they want.  In a time of fear and
despair, calling people to consider their visions could be a powerful
form of action.

I also think it's important, symbolically and politically, that we make
some kind of strong, visible presence in the streets, that we don't
voluntarily relinquish the one political space in which we've been able
to have a significant impact.  But I also think it's important that what
we do in the street be appropriate to the moment.  A mourning
procession, a vigil or rite of healing might make sense right now:  a
standard march with shouted slogans and printed signs would be
offensive.  But it's hard to predict what the mood or situation of the
country will be two weeks from now.  We could be heading into a full
fledged war, and a large march might be a needed and powerful statement.

Direct action is a powerful tool, but like a chainsaw it's not the tool
you want in every situation.  Direct action points a spotlight on an
issue, can directly interfere with an unjust group or situation, and
delegitimize an institution or policy.  Used at the wrong moment,
without a strong base of support, it risks legitimizing the very
institutions we seek to undermine.

Many police have just given their lives because they stayed in a
dangerous situation helping other people get out.  A lot of us in this
struggle talk about being willing to die.  They just did.  Whatever we
feel about police as tools of the state, now is not a good moment for a
heavy police confrontation.  In fact, although generally I'm against
negotiating with the police, in this case I'd certainly consider that it
might be a wise and even a generous thing to do.  As individuals, the
police are of a class that doesn't gain from the policies we oppose.
Let's not write off the possibility that some of them could be brought
to support us.

I want peace, not war.  But calling for 'peace' at this moment does not
sufficiently address the fear, anger and powerlessness people feel.  I'd
like to see us call for justice:

Justice for the victims of this week's terrorist attacks.

Justice, not blind vengeance -- meaning that we need to know clearly and
certainly who carried out the attacks before we retaliate.

Justice for the Arab Americans who live among us.  They deserve our
support and protection.

Justice for the people of other countries who could soon become our
victims.

Justice for the many, many victims of ongoing terror around the world,
and recognition of the part we have played in supporting and forging
that terror.

Economic and environmental justice.

These are my thoughts at the moment.  They could change as the situation
changes.  But mostly I suggest that we all begin a creative thinking
process, that we consciously choose to set aside our fears and our
depression.  I suggest that before we agree to do anything we've done
before, we consider at least three creative new alternatives.  I think
we should show up in Washington, if not in the numbers and way we
expected, then in some other dimension of strength, and hold open the
possibility that we can create not just a protest, but moments of public
beauty that can transform the world.

Finally, I want to say a word about faith.  'Faith' and 'religion' are
being thrown around and served up to us in ways that are at the moment
rather sickening.  Religion of any denomination can motivate the worst
acts and be a rationale for hate.  And yet it's hard to get through
times like these without faith in something.

I don't generally like to inflict my spirituality on people who might
not want it.  But I feel moved to tell you what's getting me through the
night, along with the love and support of my community.  It's the faith
that there is a great, creative power that works through the living
world toward life, diversity, healing and regeneration.  That power
works in us, in our human love, in our work for justice, in our courage
and our visions.  We don't need priests or ministers or even Witches to
contact that power for us:  we each have our own direct line.  It exists
within us, infinite, unlimited.  Ultimately, it is stronger than fear,
stronger than violence, stronger than hate.  I wish you all deep contact
with whatever feeds your soul, and nourishment from whoever and whatever
you most love.

-- Starhawk

Copyright 2001 Starhawk
http://www.starhawk.org/activism/holdthevision.html
Permission is granted to reproduce, if copyright info is included.
 
 
 

Well, she's a bigger person than me...  I was explaining something about the bouquet and texture of shoe leather...
Then I apologized to the list for the first email in this way:

>assumed office anyway...
 

Sorry folks.  I was rude and obnoxious.  I will not criticize our commander
in chief anymore till the war is over, or it's six months before the next
presidential election, whichever happens first.  I promise.  Feel free to
remind me, if it becomes necessary, please.

Not fun being the last one on the bus.

Matt
 

Ain't THAT the truth.  It SUCKS being the last one on the bus.  Everyone sees you get on, and wonders where you were, and why the bus had to wait for you, and you have to sit next to some other unpopular person.  You should see the hate stares I get on the highway, all of a sudden.  Why?  I guess because of the bumper stickers that say "Love is the Law," and "Love your enemies.  It gets them really confused!"  Jeepers.  I had thought those were pretty positive when I put them on.  I had deliberately chosen not to apply the one that said "Don't MAKE me get VOODOO on your ass!" because of its threatening tone and possible profanity issue, etc.  But now loving one's enemy is downright unpatriotic.  I guess I'm a sorry piece of poop.  I am so selfish, to be last on the bus, last to show loyalty, last to show hate like a proper American.

It reminds me of when I was a kid on the school bus.  Jamey C. was all pumped up one day to have a race riot on the bus .  He wanted all the white people to beat up all the blacks.  I said I didn't think so. He said we'd win, since there were more whites on the bus than blacks.  I said no, because not all the whites would join in the fight, myself, for instance .  He called me a traitor.  That's how I feel now.  I refuse to take part in an ancient evil, and for refusing, I become vulnerable, hated, outcast, guilty.
On the other hand, he never got his race riot.  Maybe he would have, if I had not shut him down.  Probably not, but heck, there exists some minuscule chance that my treachery to the "Cause" back then might have helped to prevent a really horrible occurrence, not the sort of thing that would have made TV news or even local news, back then, but which would have been a real trauma for the people that went through it.  I'm sure it was not fun for the blacks to ride on a bus where this kind of talk even went on, but I'm equally sure that if you asked any of the other white people who were on that bus then if there were and "race problems" they'd say, "Oh, no," and paint a picture of idyllic harmony.

So it goes.
 

So in keeping with my patriotic duty, I have a few ideas about how to really destroy the pan-Islamic movement, forever, and make them do things our way.  First, we have to understand the parameters of action.  This war has been going on in some form or another almost continuously for at least 1000 years, maybe back to the time of Christ, if we place the Romans as the first Europeans to "Crusade in the Holy Land," after a fashion.  So a solution that takes a generation or two to take effect is not out of the question.
So think on this:
Islam does not allow loaning or borrowing of money at interest.  This is one of the main differences between them and the Jews and Christians.  This is one of the main reasons why Moslems are at such a disadvantage in Capitalism: they reject some of its basic premises as evil.  Suppose business loans were made available, at the micro finance level, to Palestinian and other lower-class Moslem women, in programs administered by women's rights organizations?  Under threat of poverty, some women would brave the disapproval of the rest of their families and communities and start western-style businesses.  Men would have a hard time getting the loans, because, let's say, men of fighting age have to take a polygraph test to prove they are not terrorists, and the standards of "selling out" to the west would be so high that few men would make it.  As women became the breadwinners, they would come to embrace western values for their children.  They would have fewer children, in the first place, and educate them in western business models.  These women would become the richest people in town, and create an avalanche of westernization and the eventual annihilation of traditional values.  Hell.  It worked here, didn't it?  Capitalism is Our national religion, just as Islam is theirs.  Money, riches, and what it can buy are our gods.  We put aside all our differences and work together in peace with people we disagree with intensely in this country.  Is it because we are good people and love our neighbor?  Heck no.  It's because we value that dollar more than we value whatever we disagree about, whether it's religion, politics, whatever.
What about reprisals?   Won't traditionalist Moslems fight back?  Well, I expect they will, but their targets will all be women in their own communities, and not us.  When retributions come, we have our media play up the "violence against women" angle, until they are too ashamed to fight back.  It puts them in a trap they cannot get out of: they westernize, and sell out to the "great satan" of worldwide usury, as they see it, or they remain in poverty while other parts of their society become rich and decadent.

So there it is.  As an "outside the box" thinker, philosopher, social-scientific observer, this is the best I can do, in my country's time of need, the very "evilest" blackest, darkest, most merciless angle of attack I can imagine my country taking against this threat.
 

Matt Komoroski, 9-17-01
It seems the US is leaning on Pakistan to go to war with Afghanistan  http://www.smh.com.au/news/0109/18/world/world1.html
 
Eight days ago, that would have been a nightmare, as the Pakistanis have primitive nuclear weapons.
 
That's one way this could play out: the Pakistanis nuke Kabul, stirring the rubble left by the Russians and the civil war.  This way, the American public would have the satisfaction of seeing a mushroom cloud over the cities of those the government says are our enemies, but America would not have to take the blame.  In fact, we could then demonize Pakistan.
 
I think it's important for a nation to have enemies.  They keep it propped up.  They give the government something to point at that they hope is even more terrifying than them.  Enemies give the government an excuse to lock up those who disagree.  Nations define themselves in terms of enemies: they are this way, and we are not like them.  They are brutal cowards, and we are righteous avengers.
 
Why didn't the US get rid of Hussein, last time we were in this sort of mess?  I think there were several reasons.  First, it would have been expensive.  Second, it would have put US troops on the ground in a hostile country, and that means casualties.  Third,  the press would have gotten in and seen what the US really did to those people, and the Americans with their yellow ribbons were not prepared to deal emotionally with what was actually done in their name.  Fourth, it might have been necessary to give Hussein his day in court, and he might have exposed secrets Bush didn't want exposed.  (I think he went after Noriega to shut him up.)  Fifth, if Hussein had been replaced, then the Iraqi oil would have been coming to market, and the price would be a lot lower, which is bad for domestic oil production.  (The higher the price goes, the better it is for domestic oil: Bush's buddies.)  Mainly, though, Bush needed a reliable enemy.  He needed some place to bomb periodically in order to fan the flames of patriotism and hate.  It had to be somebody that the American people already hated and feared and knew little about and cared less.  It had to be somebody guaranteed never to hit back (hence, the weapons inspections.)  Cowardice?  No, Realpolitik.
 
After communism, what then?  The communists were great enemies.  The public was scared of them, because big business told them to be.  Communists did not believe in interest-based capitalism, and that made them bad.  After the cold war, when there was no enemy, the US almost fell over from shock.  We turned against ourselves; all that hi-tech paranoia that was developed for the cold war got turned against internal enemies in the 'culture war.'  We put more Americans in prison, and executed more, and adopted punitive laws against being poor, and hired armies of new police, and gave them free reign to kick the stuff out of anybody who couldn't afford a lawyer.   The US army occupied Humbolt Co Ca. in a war against civilians and a plant.  The government develoed unprecedented ways to spy on Americans, and ingenious chemical weapons specifically to be used against civilians.  (Did you read about the microwave ray gun they were so proud of recently?  It shoots a thin beam of microwaves that burn flesh if they are pointed at it.  The government wants to use this for crowd control.)
 
So now that we have a new enemy, and a worthy one, we can relax a little.  Things are right in the Universe again.  This one is totally different from the other one, except for one thing:  Moslems are forbidden to lend or borrow money at interest.   Lending money at interest, or usury, is the basis of capitalism, along with the "limited liability corporation," a sort of mechanism for rich folks to raise money, and then not have to be responsible for what they do with it.  The communists said that was all wrong, just like the Moslems do.  Big business hated communism, because when communists took over, they would nationalize the holdings of multinational corporations, holdings those companies had built up through years of careful bribery to the US-friendly dictatorships that the communists typically targeted.  And more importantly, the communists would write off the old debts, and tell the banks to get lost.
 
In this war, as in the cold war, what we are really fighting for is worldwide capitalism: usury and the limited liability corporation.
 
I'm working on a suggestion to send to right-wing national leaders, (the only ones that count,) about destabilizing the Moslem world through micro finance: small business loans, given with rudimentary instruction in how to run a business.  These loans would be handled by feminist relief agencies, and would be available only to women, or to men who had passed some horrid and humiliating polygraph to prove they aren't terrorists.  Poverty would drive the women to start businesses, begin educating themselves in western business culture.  With women as the bread-winners, men would lose heart.  I think in a decade or two, traditionalist Moslems would be a shrinking and impoverished minority surrounded by rich and decadent sell-outs to the west.  Take too long?  Well, the war has been going on a thousand years or more...   Why not?  We have seen how fast these sorts of forces have crushed traditional values here in the west (whatever side you are on.)  Why not turn these weapons against our enemy?  Look, these people will never be beaten to submission, just as we won't.  How many airplanes and how many buildings would it take before you or I were ready to just give up and submit to them? It'll never happen.  Well, I tell you that no matter how many cities we bomb, they will not submit either.  The best way to attack the Moslems is to hit the soft underbelly of family life.   The best weapon is money.  Our fifth column is Moslem women.   There is a darker side to this:  reprisals against the women by forces of tradition.  I think this too can work to our advantage if we play up the "violence against women" angle, and perhaps even take action to protect them.  Cold, I know... but is all-out war better?  I'm thinking of giving it a title like "send in the Wombyns!"
 
I think there's nothing the Bush administration would like more than to send a bunch of feminists to the middle east to teach capitalism.  He might even go along with it.
 
Matt

9 18 01
 

Here's a site that explains what Afghanistan's women are doing....

http://rawasongs.fancymarketing.net/bro.htm

Jamey

 
And think what that lot could do with some resources!   Someone told me a year or more ago, when I'd more or less given up on all parties in the Mid East as _prefering_ hatred and eternal conflict to getting along, that the ray of hope I was looking for was the women's organizations.  It was pointed out to me that it's the men, for the most part, who yell for more killing, and the women, for the most part that mourn the dead.
 
That got me thinking, and remembering, that feminism is the thing Arab guys I have known understand least and fear most in American culture.  They don't get it At All.  One of the biggest issues in their culture is the veil.  There are many many variations of veiling, from no veil and a short, western-style skirt, to being covered head to foot in folds of black cloth you made yourself, by which a woman telegraphs at all times exactly how westernized she is, or isn't.  Any time she is in public, a woman is making a statement about how traditional she is, and this is the main indicator of how pious her husband, or father, or other male protector person is.  If there isn't enough piety, then more pious Moslem men may look down on him,  say he isn't man enough to keep "his" women in line, or in a really strict country, they might do more than that to him.  Sort of like southern baptists, no?
 
Now if you took the money spent on just one of those "smart shell" doo-hickeys they used in the gulf war: the $30,000 thing to be shot out of a gun, with the video cam in the front, and the controls, so a guy with a joystick could guide it into a target,  well,  $30,000 anyway, and gave it to these dissident Afghan women, in the form of food and medicine, then these women would become the de facto power in the area, having the things people really need.  It worked for Hammas. It can work for us.
 
We (the US) could win this conflict (the struggle against Islam, which has been going on for over 1000 years)  simply by pumping money through women's organizations, feminist NGO's, even 'faith based' relief, provided that the aid was given to women.  It would alter the most basic power relations between men and women in the home, and the traditional culture would come down like a house of cards.  If you look at what Moslem religious leaders really say, this kind of secularization, and the resulting breakdown of their society, (and the reduced status of impoverished guys with beards and books) is really what they fear the most from us, and from Israel as well, if it comes to that.   We already know what the "hard" approach, of "getting tough" and bombing someplace back to the stone age will yield for us:  martyrs and avengers, and big piles of rubble, here, there, wherever.  Islam, or any religion, comes out of that stuff stronger than ever.   If we killed them till there were only ten left, they would all fight tooth and nail to the death, and die as martyrs for Allah.  Not, imho, a winning strategy.  If, on the other hand, we use our money and their poverty as milling wheels to grind away the underlying macho power structure, raise the status of women, which in itself will lower the birth rate and increase the literacy rate, then life can be seen to get a lot better very quickly for those who have "sold out to the western imperialists," or whatever.  Men may beat their chests about Allah, but women want food and medicine for their children.
 
I am really pushing this sort of an approach.  I think it deserves serious thought and discussion.  I think, while it might not appeal to right-wing (Bush) sensibilities, it may appeal to their sense of humor:  sure, send the "feminazis" to deal with the Moslems.  Ha ha.  That'll show'em!  I mean, who would give them a better run for their money, Ollie North, or Betsy Ashby?  Social conservatives will understand exactly what we are doing, basically confirming their belief in the corrosive power of liberalism on traditional power structures.  Liberals and doves will like it because it's liberal and dovish, and because it will give them something to do, as a whole generation volunteers for relief organizations, now heavily funded, of whatever stripe,  from feminist to "faith based"...  It's a chance to do good by doing right, and to defeat our enemy by dragging his people kicking and screaming into the modern world.
 
(Jamey and Paula, I hope y'll will forward this to Betsy.  She'd get a kick out of it, and might send it 'round.)
 
Matt Komoroski

9-19 01
 

> > >Most of you have probably heard that Clear Channel,
> >who owns about
> > >10% of the radio stations in the United States has
> >issued a list of
> > >songs that they have decided are "lyrically
> >questionable".
 
 
Hmmm.  Yeah.  Bothersome.
 
On the other hand, whenever I have listened to clearchannel stations, as I think maybe WROV is one, it's sounded like a lot of saccharine pap and spineless pseudo-rebellion.  The idea that they would censor is not shocking AT ALL.  The idea that they would try to soothe their audience into a nice inoffensive mood of  unexamined patriotic feel-good-ism is not surprising because it's what they do all the time anyway.
 
Makes sense too, really, from the point of view of not pissing anyone off, besides folks like me who are pissed at them anyway.  There are those who are in the habit of whining to someone whenever they hear anything in any medium that does not fit into their neat little boxes of how things should be.  These people can be incredibly stupid and unexamined in the stuff they will pop off about, and as a station manager or whatever, one cannot respond, "Well, you are an idiot with no understanding.  Why don't you get a grip and stop trying to be the least common denominator / limbo bar that everything has got to fit under?  Why don't you get a life?  Don't you have anything better to do than whine about the music other people listen to?"   I am sure that's the sort of thing station managers and even their bosses say in their dreams to the hordes of mentally deficient idgits who harass them every day.  But they can't.
 
As much as I hate corporate radio, which does for music precisely the same miracle that McDonalds does for food, I think if it had been up to me, I may have concocted a similar list.  Of course, it should have been enough to say "Keep things in some kind of good taste until this crisis is over, " but that may not have been enough, and what seemed perfectly good to some might seem totally offensive to others.
 
It's bothersome that peace/protest music is so heavily represented.  Why not that terrible green beret song, (which nobody listens to anymore anyway)  or the "Battle Hymn of Lt. Calley," (ditto)?  Why not "Killing an Arab" by the Cure?  Guess that passed as patriotic or something.   But then again, peace itself is offensive to some.  (As unexamined patriotism is offensive to me.)  And those of us who advocate peace are heartily hated by many Americans, including some who used to be on the LP list.  Let's face it.  Patton was right.  There are many Americans who truly love war, and they consider themselves to be the only "real" Americans, and they are happy to "prove" it by doing violence to anyone they disagree with, here, there, or anywhere.
 
The world has become far more interesting and dangerous.  We who criticize show either a great faith or a great stupidity:  faith that we won't be at the top of the list the next time the nation needs a witch-hunt, or stupidity that we think the first amendment will protect us in this new world order.   Have we really thought this through?  We know for a fact that email is filtered by big brother.  We can guess that there exists somewhere a list of all the millions of us that have responded to this event, not with an outpouring of patriotism but with more of our usual prattle about what goes around comes around, and if we did not want our cities bombed, maybe we should not be so cavalier about bombing other people's cities.  People have been jailed in this country for less, and lynched, and occasionally framed for murder.  Those of us who criticize actually show more faith in America than those who are afraid to do so.
 
Do I personally have that much faith, that I will not ever be hauled away for the views I have expressed?  No.  Can't say I do.  Remember Joe Hill.  But I can't stand to let those bastards win without a fight.  I personally have nothing to lose: no children they can threaten, no career they can take away, no respect in any community that can be besmirched.  I know I can be jailed or killed, but in the great scheme of things that would only give my views greater legitimacy.  I would so much rather die proudly for what I really think than die cowering in a fox hole for someone else's war, or be silenced by dirty looks from armed "patriots."  F--- them!  As Yellowbeard said, "They'll have to KILL me before I die."  I tell the truth as I see it because I _CAN_.
 
What if we (America)  "win" the current "war," but at the cost of our constitutional rights?   What then?  Is that a good outcome?  Well, winning is better than losing, I guess, but really, if we throw away democracy and freedom in order to defend the wealth of the wealthy against those who would destroy it, then we make our critics right: all America really DOES care about is money, comfort, continued exploitation of others to support our lush plush lifestyle.
 
On the other hand, as long as you hear voices of dissent raised freely, think of it as the sound of the canary in the coal mine.  When you hear that sound, there is still some freedom somewhere for the patriots to be fighting for.  When it stops, you can assume that from that point on it's all about money, and nothing more honorable than that.
 
 
Matt
10 02 01
 

Whew

10 06 01
Reading back thru what I have said...
remembering other times I got too hot headed and full of myself and lost friends, and then I remember there were wars on then too, wars in the cause of lies and hypocrisy, wars where our brave boys were just killing wholesale, and where our media were too "patriotic" to show the American people what it looked like, and where the American people cheered on the streets to hear that American bombs had destroyed a hospital or a water treatment center...

How much do you suppose the German people "really" knew about what the Nazi government was doing?  Not much.  All their propaganda showed them as innocent victims, just as ours does.  When the brave Americans bombed their cities to rubble, we called them heroes.  Sooner or later, when our cities are bombed to rubble, those who did it will also be called "heroes" and with just as much reason.  Americans don't have the excuses that Germans had.  We are not forcibly prevented from finding out the truth about our government.  We just don't care enough to bother.  We are not forced to support our government, on pain of torture.  We don't criticize because we are afraid of losing our jobs.

Americans eat more red meat than anyone else on earth, but they like it packaged, so that their delicate hands need never touch the icky blood, and they don't want to see the animals slaughtered, or smell anything, or even know a real animal had to die for their Big Macs.  Americans want to be insulated against the brutality that makes their life-style possible.  Similarly, Americans go to war, roughly once in every presidency, usually bombing brown people from airplanes, and again Americans like their killing packaged so they don't have to _experience_ it, feel it, or smell it.  They don't want a war to interrupt shopping, work, and gossiping about what their neighbors have bought recently.

Ignorance is no excuse.  Those people in the WTC or on those airplanes were ignorant, as most Americans are, of the issues that concern most of the world.  They were so ignorant, they didn't even know that they were already at war, before the terrorists struck.  They did not know that the war was begun a decade ago in Bush I's crusade to make the world safe for Texas oil companies, or even before that, when the US decided that the only foreign policy we needed in the Middle East was to do whatever the Israelis said.  Did that ignorance help them?

Ignorance is not the same as innocence.  Americans are NOT innocent.  Americans live surrounded by consumer shit made by child slaves all over the world.  If somebody did that to a child in MY family, I'd sure be pissed, and if I had to kill just a few thousands of civilians to get the attention of the country responsible, I might just do it.

Ignorance is not the solution.  Most people I meet resent me for pricking holes in their blissful ignorance, which they insist is really innocence.  Well, f--- 'em, then.  Let it come down.  Let all these spineless consumer robots get what's coming to them, what they have done to others without even thinking, without even wanting to know.  Payback is gonna be a B----!

OK.  They can come lock me up now.  Clearly, I must be insane to insist on telling the truth at a time like this, or at least highly inconsiderate.  You can count me out on any future government killing sprees too.  If there are some who think I am a coward, then I challenge them to tell me to my face.
 
 
 

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