sl4rt1b4rtf4st: hail sl4rt1b4rtf4st: zsar is away for a day or 2 and can't make it sl4rt1b4rtf4st: he said he'd be happy to go along with whatever we deside cybercultone: I still have chores and Michael to dal with, so be patient with me sl4rt1b4rtf4st: k cybercultone: First thing we should didcuss is how to communicate with each other. cybercultone: We can't constantly get pissed off, we need to figure our a way to vent sl4rt1b4rtf4st: well waiting till everyone's on helps cybercultone: Helps cybercultone: we are not all here? sl4rt1b4rtf4st: i think so skylyrc: i am here and reading. sl4rt1b4rtf4st: what pissed me off was finding things out after they'd been desided skylyrc: i'm not going to throw more into that boiling kettle bc meeting thing was in the motd and took another guildie to question it. sl4rt1b4rtf4st: things used to get talked about with all staff, then desided sl4rt1b4rtf4st: i'm not just talking about that cybercultone: I hate this thing LOL cybercultone: I know that you are refering to me as well sl4rt1b4rtf4st: mostly to you cybercultone: Fine be that way :-P sl4rt1b4rtf4st: i will :P cybercultone: So discuss it with me in private and lets fix it cybercultone: Don't simmer over it sl4rt1b4rtf4st: is there any point? cybercultone: Umm eventually I might get it through my think head. 8-} sl4rt1b4rtf4st: might be to late by then cybercultone: You knw me I have had too many blows to the head, I tend to forget things cybercultone: The fall out of 20+ years of Pro wrestling sl4rt1b4rtf4st: and i bet you've still not had that checked out skylyrc: so lets get back on track here. so we send everyone memo's... send Micheal a day planner.... cybercultone: I can't afford it, I still have bills coming in from Michaels broken arm sl4rt1b4rtf4st: ouch sl4rt1b4rtf4st: why send michael a day planner? cybercultone: So as far as communicating what we are doing, shall we post prior cybercultone: Memos are good for me too skylyrc: usually ppl who have day planers are the ones that tend to forget easily cybercultone: I use a calendar, works for me so far. skylyrc: but that was more than a joke sl4rt1b4rtf4st: either post something in staff, or grab officers as they come on skylyrc: i can't type on here sl4rt1b4rtf4st: like i do with you if something has gone on sl4rt1b4rtf4st: will you 2 right click on my name on your list and click appear online cybercultone: ok so if we do something, send a memo. If we don't send a memo, please have mercy as we do have real lives as well sl4rt1b4rtf4st: it takes a couple of seconds to say me and whoever talked about whatever, what do you think sl4rt1b4rtf4st: thanks cult cybercultone: took me a minute to figure it out skylyrc: same works in verse...... all i got was spat in the face soon as i said ya i know something about the guild meeting and u loged off... sl4rt1b4rtf4st: cos i was pissed, like i said it's nto the first time this has happend cybercultone: Well can we get over this hump? cybercultone: Guess not cybercultone: She hit the wrong key can you reinvite skylyrc: sorri hit esc when i wanted to retype something sl4rt1b4rtf4st: you can invite as well, it's easy on yahoo, just click conference, then a list of name comd up cybercultone: k can we get over this hump and move on? sl4rt1b4rtf4st: come* cybercultone: yea right, it's to complicated for me sl4rt1b4rtf4st: not as bad as aim, i have to open a chat window with someone to invite them cybercultone: I'm sure we are going to have miscommunications again. If we can just accept that these things happen? sl4rt1b4rtf4st: so which point we doing first? cybercultone: Banking? sl4rt1b4rtf4st: sure cybercultone: What are your thoughts? cybercultone: I did read the ranking system, I see that bank access is allowed by rank sl4rt1b4rtf4st: that other guild teek was in, only officers could see the last tab, which had all the good stuff in, not sure what that was sl4rt1b4rtf4st: money and items had to be approved by an officer skylyrc: same with who able to guild invite and so on. unfortunately i didnt weed out alot of the daoc content that was still in it. but more to give an idea sl4rt1b4rtf4st: items i guess it depends what they are sl4rt1b4rtf4st: maybe something like each rank has differnt access cybercultone: Well we are going to have to scrape the ranking system and rebuild it sl4rt1b4rtf4st: at the mo all members from guild mate can invite cybercultone: fine by me. We are going to need to figure out what rank gets what access. This will need to be done on the board. sl4rt1b4rtf4st: first how many ranks will there be? cybercultone: We'll start a new thread, I will layout the ranks and we will have to determine what rank gets what access skylyrc: depends on how many can we have first? sl4rt1b4rtf4st: at the mo there's 6, then warlord and gm cybercultone: Well the sample rank that Neitix posted seem good to me. 9 ranks, ours is 8. but I messed up it should be 9. So how many rank wouldn't change skylyrc: most of that ranking system was based on how long you've been with the guild and how many guild events you attended and if you signed up on the board as well it all counted towards your promote cybercultone: What game did those ranks come from skylyrc: my favorite mmorpg dark age of camelot...aka daoc skylyrc: its alot more complicated than wow is cybercultone: kool umm So lets post ideads, we will simply put for the meeting Thursday. That we are revamping ranks. Thats all they need to know. Maybe ask them for some ideads on access and such. What do you think? cybercultone: I also think that those who are signed up on the message board should be the only ones that be allowed to invite skylyrc: i have no problems with telling them we're revamping the ranks and changes are bound to be happening. but actual chat about what ranks get what should remain with us...or we'll have a big headache of keeping 20 other ppl happy skylyrc: they joine they agree to what ever policy we have afoot skylyrc: i don't agree i much rather see officers or longer loyal to guild mates be able to invite. so we can cute this guild hoping business in the butt skylyrc: ok i like my "e'" button cybercultone: I'm not sure that we can do access and time in guild together. Could create too many ranks. Maybe dedicated time should be what we judge them on sl4rt1b4rtf4st: what about with how active they are, how much they post on the board and if they deposit in the bank? sl4rt1b4rtf4st: what does your e button do? cybercultone: yea i think that would qualify under detication sl4rt1b4rtf4st: i have a question skylyrc: i keep hiting my 'e' trying to type every word. i had to retype my stuff 3 times sl4rt1b4rtf4st: what would happen if, or when chotu comes back? cybercultone: So we will have to switch off a level system to and active system cybercultone: Chotu is a loyalist sl4rt1b4rtf4st: does he go back to warlord? cybercultone: but I won't make him an officer sl4rt1b4rtf4st: so he'd be a general? cybercultone: noblemen sl4rt1b4rtf4st: what's general then? skylyrc: i'm refering to ppl like arrelia who left guild 3 times and rejoined using the same excuse "i was helping someone" cybercultone: He's not around enough for officer status sl4rt1b4rtf4st: one time he was making 10g, can't really blame him for leaving for that skylyrc: if u leave even before you leave its common courtsey to say something or pm a officer. he should know them cybercultone: He's gonna have to work up the ranks again. I haven't promoted him, has anyone? sl4rt1b4rtf4st: but are you saying if someone does do that, then they have to start at the bottom rank again? skylyrc: actually he's level 70 .....10gold for joining the same guild after he leaves ours.....10 gold really nothing cybercultone: Nor has he replied, when I have said hello. He maybe leaving the guild again and not by choice sl4rt1b4rtf4st: i've not promoted anyone, i have no idea who gets access to the bank, so i've left it all to you cybercultone: yea a restart will stop that activaty. We should put that in the code of conduct skylyrc: he talked to me this morning. he asked if i had a problem. i told him i won't lie to him but i was uncomfortable with his lack of loyalty. that there was a high chance that we wont be reinviting former guildies and that he wont be reinvited next time sl4rt1b4rtf4st: right, so if someone leaves, and says there leaving for whatever reason,then comes back, they have to work there way up the ranks agian? skylyrc: thats part of why i wanna push that certain guildies that are loyal to the guild have that privie sl4rt1b4rtf4st: only thing is, sometimes ppl you think are loyal still leave sl4rt1b4rtf4st: i stopped helping ppl at one time cos i got sick of helping them, then them leaving skylyrc: i know. but in the mean time their not going to grab the sniveling kid who can't get someone to power level him through sm type sl4rt1b4rtf4st: oh, sym, beastwarlord, did he say he was leaving or just leave? cybercultone: he told me, BUT he left two times already cybercultone: he told me each time sl4rt1b4rtf4st: bumped into him in shatt, he was asking how the guild was doing cybercultone: however both times he said he was starting his own guild, but then joined another sl4rt1b4rtf4st: he said he doesn't like the one's he's with now sl4rt1b4rtf4st: which i can understand, it's the same one teek was in cybercultone: I'd give him one more invite, but thats it. Vote is up to you two.yea or na skylyrc: he'd have to work his way up w'e rank ladder we make. i don't know him sl4rt1b4rtf4st: he does do a lot of instant runs, he's asked me a few times about healing, but i've been on keeko sl4rt1b4rtf4st: what neitix said cybercultone: he's a good player, I just think he didn't like being in a guild with 2 70's and half dozen low levels cybercultone: Yes he's have to work up rank absolutley sl4rt1b4rtf4st: i don't really know him that well sl4rt1b4rtf4st: he asked if you were still being evil as well :P cybercultone: I think when we redo rank, I will just put everyone to guild mate and them check what they ahve done so far and rank accordingly. Through agreed vote sl4rt1b4rtf4st: so we leting guild members deside how the ranks work? skylyrc: i'd rather not cybercultone: no but they can have some input cybercultone: tell them nothing and ask them what they think we should do sl4rt1b4rtf4st: so we leaving the rank thing till after the other meeting? cybercultone: yes sometime after the meeting we will revamp sl4rt1b4rtf4st: we could do another staff one after that one cybercultone: also what is your opinion on people that have been inactive for more than a months? cybercultone: excluding alts of ccourse sl4rt1b4rtf4st: depends why there inactive i guess skylyrc: unless their alts..... but atm i wouldn't even know bc no one uses the "note" to specfic this is alt this is main... so thats would be kinda of hard cybercultone: Well if they tell up we make notes. But do we cut the dead weight or leave it, as it doesn't hurt us sl4rt1b4rtf4st: that's why i did the thread on the board then we can work out who's who cybercultone: mine are marked cybercultone: I'm not sure who's are who's yet sl4rt1b4rtf4st: we know yours, there all generals cybercultone: What about new recruits? Perhaps we should drop them if they reach a month inactive skylyrc: leave it for now. its not really bother us skylyrc: aye drop the recruits after month. it'd be clear at that point cybercultone: might light a fire under some of their asses sl4rt1b4rtf4st: once we work that out, we can put it in their board notes then i can put it in the officer one's in guild so we know who's on the board sl4rt1b4rtf4st: drop recruits sl4rt1b4rtf4st: i was gonna say waht abotu demoint inactives, but we're redoing the ranks so that doesn't really matter cybercultone: their going to become recruits again sl4rt1b4rtf4st: so will be dropped sl4rt1b4rtf4st: problem solved cybercultone: this be bumped anyway sl4rt1b4rtf4st: btw, i'm doign a post on the board as we agree stuff cybercultone: good and I assume you shall keep this chat saved. Send me a file copie so I can go through it please sl4rt1b4rtf4st: you know i have yahoo on auto save cybercultone: Thise are my issues, now who has an issue that they need to discuss cybercultone: I was thinking that molten core could be a goal for the mid levels. sl4rt1b4rtf4st: that's a 70 cybercultone: What goals do you two have in mind sl4rt1b4rtf4st: remember when i wnated it and we wiped cybercultone: Molten core is a 60 skylyrc: mc is 60 cybercultone: it's a 40? person raid cybercultone: not sure there skylyrc: kido has her attunement for that but for an easy run you'd need at least a group of 70's with that grop of 60s cybercultone: I am attuned so I can help sl4rt1b4rtf4st: no cos we went in with the hunters and wiped on the first 2 mods cybercultone: I think Teeko is as well cybercultone: you need at least 10 70's skylyrc: that all depends on what or how geared those 70's are. when i was ran through the 70s all had their kara epics on for the most part of em cybercultone: thats why we wiped sl4rt1b4rtf4st: i wanted that eye thing so i can see dead ppl and get them recipies at scholo cybercultone: we can work that out on the board cybercultone: but what guild level goals do we have besides Kara, and rep sl4rt1b4rtf4st: teek's not attuned for anything, only high level instances she's done are shatt halls, sv and botanica sl4rt1b4rtf4st: on teek i want to get all the alchemy recipies cybercultone: one of the problems for making goal for the guild is they refuse to speak up skylyrc: that Sym we actually have to ask our members exactly what it is they like to see going on cybercultone: I have nudged for answers to this question several times sl4rt1b4rtf4st: getting quests done is a good one skylyrc: alot of the reasons bc they don't know themselves skylyrc: or they really don't mind just kinda go with the flow sl4rt1b4rtf4st: i started playing in jan last year, then it was all about leveling, once i hit outlands all this rep stuff and getting attuned come out sl4rt1b4rtf4st: mostly i still have no idea what half of it is, or how to get it skylyrc: don't ask directly kinda let them talk. like taub, i found out how he don't really care for inviting ppl just off the street sorta of speak cybercultone: Most of what you need to do is posted on the board already cybercultone: Well we are going to stop invites soon skylyrc: cool bc i keep getting spelled checked from some level 5 warrior. cybercultone: We are catching many lames, but it is justified, by many of the good people we got cybercultone: bet he is a 10 year old LOL sl4rt1b4rtf4st: yeah the guild is better now skylyrc: coming to be time where its if your a friend or alt..... or have grouped with us in a run type invite cybercultone: only thing is I want to maintain a 70 - 75 account level. If we drop I will start recruiting again skylyrc: i'd even settle with sign up here to get invited skylyrc: but im use to that being a requirement tho not alot are in this game. sl4rt1b4rtf4st: kobal said he had to pass a test to get into a guild he joined cybercultone: Only other way to recruit is WOW forum. I have never done that. They seem like assholes there cybercultone: He quit Independent? sl4rt1b4rtf4st: that place confussed me, i can never find what i want sl4rt1b4rtf4st: he left got the stuff he wanted with the other guild then went back sl4rt1b4rtf4st: that's why i said watch him the toher day, he wants something cybercultone: yea he has all my gear :(( sl4rt1b4rtf4st: awwwwww cybercultone: What would Philana think about merging back to sovereign? sl4rt1b4rtf4st: Guild Heirarchy and Expectancies? skylyrc: another issue i have its guild expectancies......since we really don't have anything posted.... behavior......immaturity...spaming....grieving...begging for gold/runs/whater sl4rt1b4rtf4st: you want the truth? cybercultone: yes sl4rt1b4rtf4st: no way in hell sl4rt1b4rtf4st: btw, headless and beth have the baby tomoz cybercultone: We have a basic set of guildlines cybercultone: http://wowsovereign.proboards84.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1166727438 cybercultone: Which we should start adding these other subjects to cybercultone: kool I have to congratz cybercultone: Why no way in hell? Your position or his? sl4rt1b4rtf4st: i think it's a guy thing sl4rt1b4rtf4st: his cybercultone: * Racism, sexism, or and type of discrimination will gets you an automatic ban. No warning shall be given. skylyrc: that all nice but it all seems to protain to the boards. not in game. where nothing really enforced cybercultone: We are definatly going to have to admend the basic rules sl4rt1b4rtf4st: it tends to be more at an offices disscression sl4rt1b4rtf4st: i've kicked a couple of ppl, one for giving abuse the other cos i was asked to by members cybercultone: We haven't really had a problem ingame yet. Usually we do we kick, and have done so skylyrc: right. if what huntmen stated on saturday going to be allowed my kids toon coming out skylyrc: or what slikkillar sent me in tells...my kid out cybercultone: Thats another thing, if something like that happenes, get a screenshot sl4rt1b4rtf4st: hunt i know about, what did slik say? cybercultone: What is being said? skylyrc: i do but i can't send it to anyone. i took like 5 of the whole convo sl4rt1b4rtf4st: post it on the board in staff sl4rt1b4rtf4st: hunt i told you about skylyrc: i can't.....i can probably send it through here but i can't post it. lol cybercultone: Lets make a thread for that and start posting cybercultone: you told me hunt said something but not what he said sl4rt1b4rtf4st: you need an account at somewhere like photobucket, upload the pic to there, then post the link on the board skylyrc: what hunt said I would of just tolerated in my old guild bc in my old guild it was made known if u didnt have big balls (their words not mine) u shouldn't be there cybercultone: S.O. isn't like that. We have had young kids in the guild cybercultone: We are family oriented sl4rt1b4rtf4st: the guy who left said something about it being the way, hunt said you can stick the way up your arse skylyrc: ya having huntmen sit and say " shove it up ur ass" should of been noted cybercultone: We have had the occasional slip up in excitement. But I don't want it common place skylyrc: slickkillar was mad over getting his butt continously kicked bc of his own stupidity and took it out on me bc i made a smartalek comment of so you fall for bait and got ownd sl4rt1b4rtf4st: another thing, here an ass is an animal, so means nothing cybercultone: We'll need a warning system, perhaps we can adapted the CDF one sl4rt1b4rtf4st: that would work on the board, but not really in game skylyrc: here its not. my kids go in saying even shit their suspended. trust me i have to be careful with my son bc he already drop kicked one kid last year nearly got expaled cybercultone: I don't mind ass so much as I have censor control on my system for Michaels sake. But everyone in the guild will have to be subject to the guildlines skylyrc: ya but there other "content" around that censor sl4rt1b4rtf4st: i took mine off cybercultone: I say warning for board members, no warning for non board members, just kick skylyrc: I'd rather just say thsi is a PG rating game wither u have that on or not skylyrc: guild not game cybercultone: yes we are PG skylyrc: i don't know who all board members w'o continously alt tabing cybercultone: My son can sound things out, so it is a problem skylyrc: I left that all to teeko sl4rt1b4rtf4st: that's just the thing though, pg is what 12/13? cybercultone: I'll go through the board members and fix that problem skylyrc: no that general nowadays sl4rt1b4rtf4st: most at that age are swearing anyway skylyrc: i'm nto talking movie rating... but like the teasing we did to Sym with this "how many inches you get up there" that i just made the innocent comment "i'm not touching that one" and everyone else picked up on it sl4rt1b4rtf4st: that's somethign that can be took either way, most took it the wrong way lol skylyrc: i know. it had me and zsar laughing in ulda over it for a while sl4rt1b4rtf4st: i went way into the gutter :)) cybercultone: LOL I'm not sure in todays age, if kids would pick up on that stuff. I know I was nieve as a kid. There was lots of sexual stuff in Bug Bunny and I only understood it as an adult sl4rt1b4rtf4st: that they might not get, but the swearing they do cybercultone: so we will ban words too. skylyrc: so we jsut keep the swearing to the curver sl4rt1b4rtf4st: if someone's annoyed about something and swear, it doen't bother me, but it does when it's every other word, or there's no need for it skylyrc: ya cybercultone: I have sweared once or twice.but only when I was really pissed skylyrc: did we ever figure out what we're doing about "borrowing" from the bank or what plans we have for that funds skylyrc: i'd hate to have someone donate and them ask for help later and be i don't know what to do cybercultone: I have alway though the fund where to assit guildies sl4rt1b4rtf4st: another thing, some swear words are accepted, like us brits say bloody all the time, and pissed seems to be another one skylyrc: bloody sint swearing....nor is pissing..... cybercultone: bloody and pissed I'm fine with skylyrc: i tend to use Pivish which most of the time means im jsut very moody sl4rt1b4rtf4st: that's jsut it, piss in which ever form was considered a swear word like the f one is here till very recent cybercultone: I think their should be a limit on borrowing, No more than 10% of the current level of bank funds cybercultone: Or up to what you have deposited if it's more cybercultone: brb, my sons still up sl4rt1b4rtf4st: k sl4rt1b4rtf4st: 10% sounds ok to me sl4rt1b4rtf4st: we'll have to keep a track of who's put what in skylyrc: i'm use to bank funds being for like repairs to gear especially after runs that may cost ya a bit. like guild runs cybercultone: as far as items in the bank I really don't care what they do with them as long as they don't keep it fulkl skylyrc: there is a log that tells you who has donated for both items and coin skylyrc: i did figure that out sl4rt1b4rtf4st: no, i think you should pay for your own repairs cybercultone: I'd bankrupt the guild bank with my repairs cost LOL sl4rt1b4rtf4st: what if you get someoen who's forever runing instances and charge it to the bank cybercultone: On average I'm about 10g a clip skylyrc: i'm talking aabout kara repairs which is later down the road skylyrc: only those who raid were able to use that fund sl4rt1b4rtf4st: oh, teek had the option to get repairs through the bank as well, yet keeko doens't cybercultone: thats got to be a glitch sl4rt1b4rtf4st: we're no where near ready for kara yet, we can work that out when we are cybercultone: So repairs for after kara members sl4rt1b4rtf4st: no idea, up to yesterday it always said 0c for repairs skylyrc: ya i know we're a ways from kara yet.lower dungeons should be a problem with sl4rt1b4rtf4st: i think you can move that option off skylyrc: shouldnt* cybercultone: But we make the repairs only on guild run events sl4rt1b4rtf4st: what was that? cybercultone: Thats was zsar skylyrc: zsar just loged off skylyrc: i just had 3 lol cybercultone: He wants to run lowbie there low level instances I told him he could do it sl4rt1b4rtf4st: fine with me skylyrc: np here sl4rt1b4rtf4st: want me to see if he wants to do the monday runs of dm and stocks? cybercultone: sure sl4rt1b4rtf4st: k cybercultone: We will have to amke a thread for each issue in officers, add the notes and work on the issues sl4rt1b4rtf4st: the one i'm doing has the stuff we've agreed on so we knwo where we're up to sl4rt1b4rtf4st: bank money sl4rt1b4rtf4st: 10% of the balance, we all agreed on that? cybercultone: bank loans should depend on rank, cybercultone: 10% or amount deposited sl4rt1b4rtf4st: that means we're gonna have to keep a record of who's deposited cybercultone: hmm we might. I need to check the logs sl4rt1b4rtf4st: they only go so far back cybercultone: Let me check the guild tab, see whats there too skylyrc: take a screen shot every so often sl4rt1b4rtf4st: you want me to take care of that then? cybercultone: bank? sl4rt1b4rtf4st: well doing who's deposited what skylyrc: i don't mind organizing the bank items but i rather not being in charge of the money cybercultone: yes and fine sl4rt1b4rtf4st: you do the items then, and i'll do the money cybercultone: whoever has time can do the items sl4rt1b4rtf4st: k, i'm just thinking so we don't add ppl more than once to the list cybercultone: now if we have too much of an item, should we vend ot AH it? sl4rt1b4rtf4st: depends what it is really cybercultone: lord help me type skylyrc: depends on the item... speaking of which someone eneds to let the guildies know theres not point in putting bandaids in the bank cybercultone: I vend all the less valued stuff and deposit the money cybercultone: Well have to make a thread with policy for that skylyrc: armor/weapons that are lower level should be chanted down to mats... than the mats AH'd at market value cybercultone: good idea skylyrc: both teek and myself have chanters in guild so that shouldn't be a problem cybercultone: I have a low level, he could use the training too sl4rt1b4rtf4st: nope, my enchanter is in independant and doen't know enchanting anymore sl4rt1b4rtf4st: so it's sym and you ;) skylyrc: lol cybercultone: Well anything grey to you, let me do cybercultone: just tell me what skylyrc: most anything lvl 60 below will be gray to me. im at 359 chanting cybercultone: any other ideas on the bank sl4rt1b4rtf4st: why not look at the leve of the stuff, if sym can do it, let sym, if not neit does it cybercultone: sounds good cybercultone: I am limited on what I can do at this point anyway skylyrc: guild runs. when we have a d'e do the d'e mats go to the bank or get rolled on? cybercultone: I'll move Mago to IF sl4rt1b4rtf4st: where is he/she? cybercultone: get rolled cybercultone: westfalls sl4rt1b4rtf4st: where's home? cybercultone: it's up to the individual if he wants to bank it cybercultone: westfalls skylyrc: Guild Crafters.....how are those handled as do we charge guildies mat prices or not at all? cybercultone: High levels need mats to upgrade their gear. sl4rt1b4rtf4st: slow down a bit :P cybercultone: I'd rather not at all, then we can get items free as trade. cybercultone: I never make gildies pay for items I make sl4rt1b4rtf4st: me either, even though some do cybercultone: I do think that if a guildie needs something expensive, he should supply the mats at least sl4rt1b4rtf4st: yeah like when gil was gonna make that sword, gave him 5 primal mights cybercultone: I am also thinking we shoul have a meeting one a week or every other week. I think that will stop some of the problems skylyrc: ok. bc i got asked if i could make something i showed what i could do. than the guy was like ok make me this and this.... he was lvl 14 druid...i was ready to comment i don't work for cheap for something i had to work for cybercultone: Yea and never got the sword LOL cybercultone: Well in that case, he should provide the mats sl4rt1b4rtf4st: that's the thing, me and phil farmed for the mats to make the mights,then got nothing for it cybercultone: if he can;'t get the mats and only you can then I would just charge him mat price. sl4rt1b4rtf4st: pappa wanted some, he farmed the mats for it, so i gave him an extra one cybercultone: I don't think Giliad was with us, more like for himself sl4rt1b4rtf4st: he was to a point sl4rt1b4rtf4st: i do potions, don't charge for them, but then when a few ppl wanted them,the high stuff, it got a bit expensive cybercultone: However I am not going ti interfer if a craftman wants to charge for their items. It would be unfair of me. sl4rt1b4rtf4st: you know kobal never asked for healing pots agian after i told him i was gonna charge 2g for 5 sl4rt1b4rtf4st: even though he was paying 20g at ah cybercultone: they are expensive sl4rt1b4rtf4st: cost's me 1g 80s for the vials, so i though 2g wasnt't that bad a price cybercultone: I hardly get asked to make stuff. Most people don't use armor kits skylyrc: i've never really done anything craft wise for another person. i built my set of toons to be self effecient sorta of speak sl4rt1b4rtf4st: awww, what rogue stuff can you make? cybercultone: So basically on this subject, charge if you wish, I do leave it up to you. It would benifit the guild if we trade within the guild. cybercultone: me? sl4rt1b4rtf4st: ja you cybercultone: I can make a lot of diffrent armors as well as stamina/agily kits cybercultone: +30 stamina +10 agility sl4rt1b4rtf4st: me and gimps argue on this, she like agil, i like strenght cybercultone: once I get cenaron rep I can do +40 stam +16 agility sl4rt1b4rtf4st: nice cybercultone: neither cybercultone: go for resilience sl4rt1b4rtf4st: i've tryed food that does both, banks does more damage with strenght then agil cybercultone: Thats why lost in BG today skylyrc: are we done here tonite? cybercultone: we can pick it up next meeting skylyrc: which will be when? cybercultone: we can continue in the threads skylyrc: ok cybercultone: one week two weeks which is better? sl4rt1b4rtf4st: after we've got input from guilders sl4rt1b4rtf4st: i guess one week as we need to sort rank out skylyrc: next monday good for me. by than we should have something more hammered out with the ranks cybercultone: do we need to talk PVP? sl4rt1b4rtf4st: sounds good to me skylyrc: i don't pvp so thats all u guys sl4rt1b4rtf4st: i dont think so at the mo cybercultone: kk sl4rt1b4rtf4st: can i hit post? cybercultone: sure sl4rt1b4rtf4st: posted skylyrc: sorri its just something that always frustrates me easily so i avoid it sl4rt1b4rtf4st: i'l email this full convo to you sym, then edit it and post a link if you want one cybercultone: I'm going to spend time tomorrow working on ranks. I will post the thread, then you guys can tear through it and add sl4rt1b4rtf4st: k skylyrc: kk cybercultone: what frustrated you? sl4rt1b4rtf4st: i think it would be nice to have a rank or 70's as well cybercultone: PVP? sl4rt1b4rtf4st: for* cybercultone: lol thing all change once the expansion comes out skylyrc: pvp..... wow version sucks.... even in daoc where there's more pride in taking something over.. it frustrated me. bc i always played a healer bc its my strong point skylyrc: healer = KoS no matter what game :) sl4rt1b4rtf4st: yup sl4rt1b4rtf4st: everything loves the healer cybercultone: Well depends on the strategy. no one in allaince is useing it sl4rt1b4rtf4st: i'm thinking of taking teek that way once she goes shadow skylyrc: my old game we had dedicated PvP raid leaders...if they were good you lived through half the battles cybercultone: I'm thinking 10 person team, with spec jobs, using voice chat skylyrc: I was always pve raid leader no matter what. alot of that was bc i am not someone who can follow i tend to step right up and over and take over if my toon needed something sl4rt1b4rtf4st: we have a leader who took the full guild to stonard and got them killed cybercultone: yea but thats different cybercultone: thats people verse NPC sl4rt1b4rtf4st: i've only ever been in bc once, had no idea what was going on cybercultone: Well maybe we shall give it a try in the future, right now I shall continue to get ganked until I have my armor for Kara sl4rt1b4rtf4st: i just wanna get this instant runs done then i can get teek back to shadow cybercultone: Shattered? sl4rt1b4rtf4st: shatt, sv and lots of tempest keep cybercultone: uhunter rogue and mage is all we need skylyrc: kk guys i need to log off yahoo for a bit cybercultone: g'night cybercultone: anything else on your mind? 1
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