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Discussion for Solution
R: A while back, there were several major international Hindu
organizations that were under scrutiny and duress of having their assets
frozen by the
U.S.
government for funding right-wing militant 'Hindus' in
India
, many who were implicated in the
Gujarat
riots.
S: In
my view, this was wrong. US does not understand what we Hindus have suffered
for 1000 years. They want to never forget their history, and want us to
forget our history of genocide by Islam invasions.
R: In order to prevent their assets from being
frozen, they decided to donate a large amount of money to Manav
Sadhana/Gandhi Ashram. Virenbhai, ..
S: My guess is that he is a Jain or
Buddhist. No much problem.
R: .. one of the founders of MS, was reluctant to
take their money because of their reputation, ..
S: This "reputation" is built by
anti-Hindu people and the media. However, I am not saying all Hindus or
Hindu org.s are perfect.
R; .. but gave them a proposal that allocated a
good chunk of their money for renovating Muslim schools in Ahmedabad.
To his surprise, they accepted the proposal.
The money was spent to put a corrugated tin roof on one Muslim school,
and build toilet facilities for another Muslim school. Can you
imagine a school without a roof or toilets? I visited both of
these schools with Virenbhai and met with the official as well as talked
to the students. To my surprise, the kids didn't speak Gujarati...
only Urdu. ..
S: Urdu is not a Vedic
language, but of the Islam invaders who ruled over Hindus brutally.
There is nothing Vedic in it, and
Hindustan
is a Vedic land of the Vedic people.
R: .. Both schools were still in pitiful condition. At the
school where the toilets were put in, they have gone out of use because
the lazy school officials don't supervise proper cleaning... so clogging
and overflowing has rendered them useless. I learned that most of
the kids leave school after the 3rd or 4th standard. When I spoke to
Virenbhai about this, he said that its important that
as a secular but primarily Hindu organization, MS works with Muslim kids
as well. ..
S: Hinduism is
inherently secular, and the Western concept of secularism does not apply
to
Hindustan
. To understand this, one needs to read an article at www.
bharatvani.org by a Swami.
R: ..When they drop out of school after the 3rd standard, they
start to 'study' at madrassah's and then start hating Hindus.
S: This is because of
the message in Koran. A Kafir (any Non-Muslim) needs to be converted or
killed per Koran. As long as Koran is taught
anywhere as it is understood, this problem will occur at that
place. When Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries have only Islam as
the legal religion, (and you and US and the world are happy with it,)
what is wrong in declaring Islam as an illegal religion on the Vedic
land simply because it is not compatible with Hinduism as Jinnah has
said it correctly in 1947, and is evident from reading Koran and Gita?
Why the world is hell bent on making
India
(which already has shown tolerance beyond rationality over centuries) a
"secular" than making all Muslim countries secular? Would it
not be proper first to focus on Islam countries than on to
India
?
R: ..He says that we have to catch them while they are young, and
instill them with friendship for us before haters take over. They
live in all Muslim neighborhoods, rarely interacting with Hindus, so its
easy to demonize them. ..
S: Again, the root cause is in Koran, which is not needed on the
Vedic land. They have their separate Urdu madresas to teach Koran, and
these madresas are funded by Hindu tax money. What could be more stupid
than this? In contrast,
Pakistan
has killed or chased away the Hindus from Pak (and occupied
Kashmir
) after getting it. Pak only has forced bhangis (Hindus shudras) to not
leave Pak.
Bangladesh
also is in the process of killing converting or chasing out the Hindus
from there. It forgets that its independence from Pak was secured by
India
.
R: ..If MS doesn't work the schools to make them better, many of
these kids remain ignorant and end up becoming narrow-minded haters
under the influence of ignorant mullahs and narrow-minded parents.
S: Here you are indirectly
saying mullas are the problem. This means Koran is the problem, because
mullas teach Koran, not Gita. We Hindus need to teach Gita to all on the
Vedic land.
R: ..Similarly, there are plenty of Hindu kids who
never interact with and understand Muslim kids. The same way that
Muslim parents feed their children hatred for Hindus, Hindus feed their
children hatred for Muslims.
The common problems are poverty, ignorance, and mindless indoctrination
of hate.
S: Poverty is not the
problem, Koran is. There are many rich Muslim people and countries, and
they do terrorism as directed by Koran. Ben Ladin or Saudi family are
not poor. Wahabis are not poor. A strong (financially or in any other
way) asura is a bigger problem for suras.
R: ..The proper solution is alleviation of poverty,
education, and freely mixing with other religions so that the hatred
based on isolation and misunderstanding reduces.
S: ..Gita teaches how hatred can be controlled, Koran does not. Allowing
children (or any one) to learn and live by Koran and expecting them to
not hate Kafirs is foolish.
R: .. Just today, Kasam chacha from
Kutch
dropped into Ahmedabad. He's a Muslim, but when we were in
Kutch
, we ate dinner at his house more than once. He treats us with
incredible hospitality, and greeted me like a long lost friend. He
doesn't hate Hindus, and whenever he
finds Muslims who are haters, he talks to them and teaches them about
how mistaken they are for hating non-Muslims. We spent one night
at Mehmoud bhai's house. At night, under the twinkling stars, he
sang moving songs in Sindhi expressing love for "mera Hindustan".
Many of
the people we spent time with in
Kutch
were Muslims. Some don't normally mix with Hindus either, but just
by being friendly with them and sharing a meal or spending time with
their kids, they see that we Hindus aren't so bad.
S: Yes, there are many good Muslims in
India
, but that does not make Koran a scripture of peace and love, as Gita
is. These Muslims are actually Hindus (and Muslims by name only.) The
test for them comes in critical time when they really need to chose one
side or another. Many would go to Islam side. They need to be persuaded
to give up Islam all together, because their ancestors were forced to
become Muslims.
R: ..This is part of the solution.
S: .. And it will not work, as long as Koran is
allowed to be taught in Madresas.
R: .. Uniting Hindus together in a cohesive hate-force is not the
answer. Its just the other
side of the same problem.
S: This
is like saying, "Arjun united a cohesive hate-force against
Kauravas" when he fought Mahabharat war.
Krishna
said Arjun to fight adharma. He did not say, "I am god, so you do
not fight. I will fight for you." If one says, that the message of
Krishna
in Gita was only good for that time, then he or she totally dumps Gita
in drain and says it has no value at all. This is not true. Gita has the
message for all the people of all the times and places. What
Krishna
said, can be followed. Why follow who do not follow
Krishna
? It is good to love enemy,
and then fight and defeat him. However, all cannot love, but all must
fight adharmis in any possible ways (else adharmis will rule over
dharmis). All who fought for Arjun did not love Kauravas, but they
fought on the side of dharma. Just because a victim of an asura is not
perfect, he does not loose the right to fight the adharmi asura or
asura's ideology.
R: .. If we went to these Muslim homes and schools
and told them how stupid their religion is and start threatening them
that they better stay in line, its easy to hate Hindus. ..
S: .. The hate is taught by Koran, and centuries of
Hindus' foolishly tolerating Islam beyond rationality have not made any
Muslim love Hinduism. So, any effort to make Muslims love Hinduism will
not work as long as Koran is taught. This is the lesson of the Hindus'
history which all the anti-Hindus want Hindus to forget.
R: .. When you go as a friend and emphasize your
common humanity, its very difficult to hate one another, even if your
religion might tell you that hate is proper. ..
S: So, then who not focus on Koran, the root cause? If the root cause is
not addressed, the problems will not go away. You just keep one cancer
cell in your body, and you will suffer cancer again. Why make a futile
effort of forcing doves and hawks live together and in peace?
Instead, make the hawks give up their hawkish and
aggressive (even barbaric) ideology.
R: In
three days, a team from Manav Sadhana is going to
Kashmir
. I will not be going because of
Krishna
's wedding, but I'm confident that the approach that Manav Sadhana has
identified the right solution to problems of communal harmony.
S: I do
not think so, as I have explained above. Doves cannot live in harmony
with invader ideology follower hawks. Hawks wills strike when they see
right opportunity. This has happened in history.
R: .. So far, you have failed in first identifying the problem
correctly.
S: Koran and Gita
comparison does not support that statement.
R: You
think the problem is Islam. So long as you think that, you make
the real problem worse i.e. you increase the ignorance, hatred, ..
S: Koran is doing it already.
R: .. and poverty in
India
.
S: The
issue is no money, it is ideology.
R: .. You yourself become the enemy of
India
, that which
you accuse Muslims of being.
S: .. I am emery of adharma and adharmi and
invaders and proselytizers.
India
does not need these.
R: .. So you need to think deeply about this. Your hatred is quite
hard-boiled and you've become narrow-minded, but unless you fix
yourself, you can't fix anything and only cause more problems for
everyone.
S: When doves decide to not tolerate hawks, they are labeled
"narrow minded".
R: .. Last week, a rickshaw driver cheated me
badly, and I ended up getting
stranded for several hours without any money to get home. Now
think
about what you would do in that situation. If he was a Muslim, you
would start hating Muslims even more, or maybe wouldn't have even
gotten into his rickshaw. But if he was Hindu, would you start
hating
Hindus? I don't think so. Turns out he was Hindu.
S: He was an adharmi too. Gita did not reach him. Sure Hindus need to
learn Gita and live by it.
But that does not mean they have lost the right to
fight adharmi ideology.
R: ..You need to ask yourself why you hate Muslims
so much.
S: .. I am just saying Koran is not compatible with
Gita. Koran does not belong to the Vedic land. it is invaded, and should
have no place there.
R: Has
a Muslim hurt you personally?
S: Yes,
but I do not hate Muslim, I hate Koran being in the Vedic land. I know
the history how Hindus have suffered (and are still suffering) by Islam,
and I find no reason to love Islam.
R: Are you extending that hate to all Muslims?
S: No. I am not extending hate to all Muslims, but
they have chosen Islam foolishly.
They need to be educated by comparative study what
is a good a religion, and by the consequence of following Islam on the
Vedic land. I have no problem if they choose to live out of Hindustan,
but they must not invade or bother
Hindustan
. They living in a chicken house like
foxes is not acceptable. The so called/perceived
"chickens" are chickens only so long as they do not know their
own Gita. That is the priority - to make Hindus understand Hinduism well
and live by it. Jainism and Buddhism cannot solve Islam problem. Bamian
Buddha statue was destroyed by Islam, and no one could stop it, and no
one is thinking to re-make it again as it was. Dalai Lama is exiled in
India
and Maoists are destroying Buddhism in
Tibet
. Is it not a clear sign that Buddhism is not perfect, because it could
not solve Maoist problem? Hinduism is.
R: .. Or were you just mindlessly indoctrinated?
S: No one has indoctrinated me except Gita/Krishna.
R: .. Focus on curing your own hate.
S: I
cannot love an asuric ideology in the Vedic land. it only has caused and
will cause suffering to the Vedic people.
R: peace.
S: Yes, and it does not come to cowards and those
who fail to understand the enemy ideology and its followers. There is no
wisdom to keep cobras as pets, until you remove their fangs (make them
free from their barbaric ideology). Else keep them out of your own
home(land).
That will give real peace. A separate land was/is
given to them, but the whole purpose of giving was foolishly defeated by
allowing them to live in
India
also. Now
India
has not only a permanent enemy at the border (where he can freely cook
plans to take over
Hindustan
), but within also (where ISI net is spread and working well against
India/Hindus.)
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