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Joseph (from Exceed International):
Four essential types of men tend to attract women 1) The Daring Adventurer:
He's the man who acts impulsively, throws caution in reckless abandon in order
to spontaneously embark on high-stimulation endeavors. He lives for the moment
and holds a vague inkling of the future.
The man's focus is solely for the present and on sheer short-term emotional
pleasure.
2) The Dark Vagabond: He's the man who oozes an almost anti-social character.
With leanings towards the unethical to the downright immoral, this man is known
for womanizing, substance abuse and most activities that appear to go against
social norm. Despite the negativity he attracts both the sensible and "dumb"
blonde kind of girl. Women fantasize about taming such volatile creatures.
3) The Ideal Lover: Oh yeah, we recognize him for the poetry, the smooth lines,
the sensitivity, the utter empathy and almost selfless focus upon the woman.
He manifests a level of high morality, or at least a superficial appearance
of it. Women love this man because of the intense romancing they experience
from him.
4) The Clown: He may not physically look good, but his upbeat sense of humor
and lively optimism sparks enthusiasm in women which then lead to infatuation
, then attraction. This man, as I've observed in numerous social gatherings,
tends to enjoy the limelight. He cracks jokes, spins incredible tales and makes
everyone feel good. As a result, both genders in general gravitate towards this
individual.
The Man every woman hates:
1) The Vanilla-Boy Next Door: Predictable, routine and devoid of imagination.
He possesses adequate social skills but is neither aggressive, funny, spontaneous,
nor romantic. The lack of "emotional massage" he creates on women
shrouds him with a cloak of invisibility. Hence he is the perennial loser.
My conclusion:
It then naturally appears that for any man (good looking or not) seeking attention
and subsequent infatuation from the opposite gender, ought to play solely upon
the EMOTIONS of women. His primary goal is to incite within women, intense emotions
(whether romantic, fearfulness, laughter or adventure) because strong emotions
naturally arouse a pleasurable and exciting rapport. As we are well aware, women
traditionally derive great satisfaction from emotionally charged events and
encounters. A relationship devoid of emotions at the onset immediately create
a negative first impression which instantly cause the woman to box you in the
Vanilla Boy category.
The bottom line: It is the male's ultimate mandate to use any and all means
necessary to spike initial encounters with emotionally charged conversations
and activity (of whatever flavor) because the ensuing excitement automatically
creates the desired rapport that ultimately leads to irresistible attraction.
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Ross:
> GameMaster (Comments from private email about online dating): I know the
top 5% get deluged with mail and sometimes they don't have the time to write
back. I'm sticking primarily with the 34 and up crowd, I've found that is pretty
much the threshold to be able to appeal to their sense of fair play when it
comes to a reply. Lot's of very pretty girls on match.com down here just because
the bar scene is so brutal and the nitelife in this city has sort of lost it's
luster with most people. Still a pro-players town.
Ross: I like that distinction; 34 and up. It may also help to pick women who have already been married once; divorced women aren't so much in a hurry to run to the altar again and are less likely to demand "Mr. Right".
> GameMaster: I just make a list of the girls and copy their profile over to Word and then edit it down and send it back to em'. Or it could just be my devastating charm : )?
Ross: Do you have a form letter? I've been playing with a few and have one that gets a HUGE response (especially since I hid my profile....now, they can't check my profile and eliminate or pigeon hole me).
Clifford: You dangle the carrot, too. I am sure we ALL are curious now to see your letter.
> GameMaster: Some tips on Match.com:
Now that I boil my experience of the last 6 months down, I've found the 3) I
cut and paste their profile to Word and then write a witty one paragraph response
and mail them out once a week, or when the moon's in Libra : ))) With persistence
I've gotten my hit rate up to 70-80% with a 90% close rate after meeting. It's
just not fair.
Ross: How do you handle the pic problem? I am STILL getting eliminated WAY too often, based on my pic. I can't refuse to send one or I won't get a meeting...at some point they want to see what I look like. I am thinking of setting a challenge frame...seeing if I can get them to chat on the phone for some light patterning/voice charm and THEN send it. What are your experiences...remember, I do NOT have a profile up...that has worked to get me more initial response to my emails.
Clifford: I think you need to visit a good photographer. I think that, having seen you mesmerize some of the women who sat in your seminars that I attended, that a good photographer should be able to capture that presence, that dynamism that you project in front of the class and you should be getting a great response to such a photo.
> GameMaster: 5) get them on the phone and talking as soon as possible and make the most of it. The fucking email thing could go on forever with some of these chicks. Oh yeah, and when they ask for more pictures I send them a pic of my dog Elvis and tell them that's what I look like today. It's really bizarre but they stop asking for more photos at that point and I usually get something back like "you're even more handsome than I thought".
Ross: Yes, but at some point they DO see a pic of you and decide they want
to talk to you because your looks are ok, or they LIKE your looks.
So...what are you doing to deal with the pic problem and how would you handle
it if you just don't photograph fucking well?
> Clifford: You can give a woman orgasms just by talking to her and some women shouldn't be called for 5 days after you meet her. And, now that I think about it, telling some women they are beautiful is the wrong thing to do. But none of these are absolutes -- they are all situation specific but definitely not complete nonsense.
Ross: That is my point; rather than set rules for all people, why not learn to observe the unique person in front of you and test to see what she responds to? Surely, this is self-evidently the intelligent way to go.
> Mark B.:Whenever I wanted to bang her I said "hey, you look so hot
and sexy right now, I want to make love to you" and began kissing her and
undressing her and slept with her every time. I wanted her to do a strip show
for me so I simply asked her "I would like you to do a strip show for me"
and she did. When I met her, I said "I would like to take you out with
me." Then just focused on being fun and easy, kissed her on the 1st date,
told her she was hot and that I wanted her. How much easier could this be?
Why fuck around with techniques when all it takes is a simple direct expression
of what you want while being focused on her, fun and relaxed with a smile. ....
There is a guy in my office who has a beer belly the size of a spare tire
yet he brought to our office Christmas party a HB9 with huge breasts. I took
him aside and asked him how he was able to get her and he said "I was just
honest. I told her I was attracted to her and that I wanted to be with her."
But, like I said before, if someone came out and said that in a system it would
not sell because in order to make sales "the higher the degree of perceived
complexity the greater the perceived value and higher the sales".
Ross: Hey, if a woman is ALREADY ATTRACTED TO YOU, being direct about what
you want certainly will work. Here is the point that guys like Mark just are
NOT getting or aren't
willing to acknowledge:
If a woman is NOT attracted to you, clearly stating what YOU want from her will
NOT MAKE HER MORE ATTRACTED TO YOU. Mark keeps ignoring context. What works,
works in the context of what the woman ALREADY feels for you. Mark has mentioned,
time and again, that women approach him based SOLELY ON HIS LOOKS. Well, duh.
If a woman is drooling over your appearance, telling her what you want is probably
going to be well received, versus being "average looking" and not
having her want you much, if at all.
Context.
Context.
Context.
For those of you who don't understand that simple word, I'll explain.
Context INCLUDES, but isn't limited to: 1. The physical environment
2. What she is already feeling for/about you 3. Her perception of who she is,
what she is used to doing, who and what she is used to liking.
4. Interferences: emotional and external. Is she distraught because her Mom
just died of cancer? Is she being forced to work 80 hours this week to finish
a
crucial project? Did her girlfriend, who hates your GUTS, really go to work
on her to convince her not to see you?
As the SEALS teach: targets dictate weapons. Weapons dictate movement. The more
you know about your "target", INCLUDING THE CONTEXT, you and she are
operating in, the better you are going to do.
Now, if simply TELLING a woman how YOU feel and what YOU want worked to get
her hot and bothered for you, zillions of AFC chumps who have crushes on women
would suddenly be fucking their brains out with their dream girls, just by "revealing
their true feelings".
However, we KNOW from very painful experience, what happens when we tell a girl
how WE feel, when SHE feels little or NOTHING for us. When has this EVER changed
a girl's mind?
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AdamK.:
>Dean: The best and safest way to get a tan is to use the solariums/sunbeds.
When you expose yourself to the sun you are exposing yourself to both UV A &
B rays, one gives you the tan, the other gives you sunburn and puts you at risk
of skin cancer. The Solariums/Sunbeds only expose you to the UV B rays and
thus eliminate the risk of skin cancer. Constant tanning though, even from a
sunbed, can age you faster. A good Aloe Vera moisturizer is recommended, this
also helps in
relieving sunburn. Also, a tan from a sunbed doesn't prevent you from getting
burnt, unlike a real tan and you still need to use sunscreen.
AdamK: This is just plain wrong. Tanning beds are even worse than getting a
tan from the real sun. Tanning salon owners like to argue that you can more
accurately "moderate" the amount of sun that you're getting, with
the beds.
Kind of like moderating how much arsenic you drink. Truth is: You're holding
extreme rays only 2 inches from your skin. Ask any independent dermatologist:
The quickest way to skin cancer is to use a tanning bed.
I've seen young (19 year old) girls with big hunks of flesh that had to be taken
out of their face... scarred for life... because of their use of tanning beds.
Here's a tip: I have a great, year-around tan. How? Sunless tanners have made
incredible progress in the last two years. Check out the web site: www.sunless.com
The best is one called Au Courant. But I've used Banana Boat spray on my legs
and have had several women comment and ask how I was able to get such a nice
tan in the beginning of June. ($7 at Walgreens, and it's 100% safe).
Experiment with which brand works best for you. Application of a good sunless
tanner can take some practice, but when you get it right...
it's amazing! A good sunless tanner will leave you tanned like a natural tan.
Not orangey or yellow.
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NightLight9: Commenting on Crisonic's 'angry approach' I have often thought
something like this would work, but I don't have the balls to try it. It demonstrates
total alpha characteristics and great congruency. I do have a slightly related
'approach' where when women are walking by, I put my hand up (as you would to
stop someone) and say "stop!!! stop it!!!" This is pretty effective
where women have a bitch shield. You can do it deadpan leading to a smile or
with a big smile. I base this on the girl. Either way it needs to come off like
a father scolding a child. It really generates curiousity and rarely has a negative
response. Timing and delivery are very important so you'll have to experiment
a little.
I wonder how this would work if you just remained looking angry, instead of
smiling. Never tried it as it's not my personality.
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Mark B.:
Have a look at this quote I found on the net: "In the particular form of
psychotherapy I had, we learn about the three levels of consciousness and the
three groups of sub-organs of the brain. Many men, will display their fascination
for everything sexual, but in reality a man wants a woman that he can have a
stimulating conversation with (Third Level, Cortex) a woman to laugh with, share
tears and joy and be partners when there is the need to grieve (Second Level,
limbic system) and a woman to have hot sex with (First level, brain stem). All
people wish to be approached in that order, Third, Second, then First. Many
men think about dating in the reverse order, and fail. They need to appreciate
the realities of our nervous systems and minds and treat women in the right
order in the quest to share deep love for a special person in their entirety.
-David from Venice, CA"
MB: So it seems conversation first, then having fun and being easy to evoke
feelings of feeling good about being with you then the physical side comes next.
Looking back at virtually all the women I have successfully dated and slept
with it always started out with an easy conversation followed by having fun
and laughter followed by the physical. But if I tried to sleep with her before
establishing a good level of communication and feelings of ease and laughter
it always backfired. On the other hand, it seems if you have the two already,
good conversation and are having fun and laughing, and you do not go for the
physical then she thinks you are not interested and will say "let's just
be friends" or "you are not interested in me" like a few women
have said to me when I failed to make the move while the conditions were present.
It seems this is a natural order and trying to skip the steps or stall at one
of them before moving into the next one backfires.
I have put this into a nice little formula for myself: Initiate contact, complement
her and show genuine interest, have a good conversation filled with lots of
smiles, fun, laughter, and ease avoiding talk of other women or relationships.
(Not other women because the one you are with needs to feel special like your
mind is only on her and not relationships because that will happen as a by product
of you having fun with her and also you do not want to come off as desperate).
Then once these are established show your physical interest in her to which
she will very likely respond. I keep in mind to make sure she knows I am attracted
to her as well as focused only on her with the goal of just having fun.
After all
women want to be cherished and adored. Superimposed on my past experience this
formula worked like a charm and now when I do it the results are highly profitable.
>Clifford: You can give a woman orgasms just by talking to her and some women shouldn't be called for 5 days after you meet her. And, now that I think about it, telling some women they are beautiful is the wrong thing to do. But none of these are absolutes -- they are all situation specific but definitely not complete nonsense.
MB: Well, call me naive but I have yet to find myself or anyone else who can give women an orgasm just by talking to them, not calling a woman for 5 days and then getting a positive response after 1st meeting from her or telling her she is beautiful and have it backfire. So far it seems that these things are supposed to be theoretically true yet in the real world.........Besides why would I want a woman who cannot take an honest complement, low self esteem????? NO thanks.
>Clifford: While I agree that being direct (aka being honest) is the best approach, it doesn't always work the way you are describing and a lot of women do not give in so easily without some real warming up.
MB: The key is progressing through the right stages as described above. But I would say to her within 5 minutes of meeting "hey how about a strip show" in a joking way if I feel she feel relaxed enough with me to take it. I feel that placing a humorous spin on what you say allows you to get away with saying almost anything.
> Cliff: The reality of "systems" is that everyone's skill levels are different. I have seen guys pick up SS over the course of a weekend seminar and have massive immediate success.
MB: Is that because they said so or because you saw them do it? And how do you define success? Talking to a woman, getting a number, a date, a boning session? Besides to a guy who has trouble talking to women just being able to talk to them is massive success. Are you also suggesting that guys who before could not get laid if they were the last mammal on earth suddenly get laid like crazy within days or weeks just because they know how to recite patterns or can control their states?
Clifford: I have seen guys approach women who previously gave me the impression of being too shy to do so, who have succeeded in getting phone numbers, closing that night, etc. Not everyone, clearly, gets these results but some guys just seemed to have needed to be put on the right track and they just fell right into place. And I am not suggesting that the most socially inept of the group were the ones that became successful - as I have tried to say, it varied based on the individuals. Some became highly successful, some started getting success, others had no results, etc. But there were several that I would have put in the "very limited social skills" category who turned themselves around very quickly. And I saw these with my own eyes.
> Dean: Commenting on getting a tan, coming from an Aussie and as you should all know, Australia has the highest incidence rate of skin cancer in the world, you can get a tan. You just don't get a tan from the sun, that's all. A tan really does makes you look healthier and is more attractive to women........When you expose yourself to the sun you are exposing yourself to both UV A & B rays, one gives you the tan, the other gives you sunburn and puts you at risk of skin cancer. The solariums/Sun beds only expose you to the UV B rays and thus eliminate the risk of skin cancer.
MB: I found this also to be the case. Since I started tanning in a bed about
once every 4 to 5 days for about 25 minutes at a time I found that women approach
me more often and are more receptive to my initial approach and make more positive
comments on my looks than before. This has nothing to do with personality or
confidence, just looks period, as they make comments and approach me before
any dose of personality or confidence from me. Case in
point: I am sitting at the back of a strip club a few weeks ago watching a hot
feature stripper do her show. She throws out her regular dose of posters then
she picks up her last poster, motions to me at the back of the club to come
up closer to the stage so she I could catch her last pic. I approach and she
throws it to me. I go back to my seat. During her 4 songs, she threw out maybe
10 of them. After that I was the only one she came up to in order to autograph
her pic. Then she says "I love to travel. You look like you have been somewhere
recently" You can check her out at www.bikini69.com.
> Stephane: Mark, it never ceases to amaze me how comfortable you are in
talking so deeply about sex with your sister. She is lucky to have a bro like
you. Could you please explain to the rest of us insecure/immature dumb asses
HOW you are able to talk so freely about sex with your little sister?
I mean, you even recommended to her that she should get into the porn business!
What are your views on this?
MB: I am not sure how to take this question from you? What do you mean by "insecure/immature
dumb asses" and why do you find it amazing? Regarding your question we
just have been very open with each other as far back as I can remember. (I am
28 and she is 23.) It just seems the way to be as our whole family is very open
about sex in discussion and in general as we never attached any shame or guilt
to anything to do with the human body or human desires. I guess this is why
it's so easy for me to tell women I want them. I tell her about what I do with
women and in turn she tells me what she does with her men as if is no big deal
actually, like a normal conversation. But if I had to think about it I would
say that I guess I am open to her first and then on that basis she opens up
to me. I tell her "yeah, I ate out an HB
yesterday and she tasted like vanilla coffee" She would say "Mark,
you sick bastard but yeah, my BF was over last night and he fucked me 3 times
and blew in my mouth, ha ha ha" We make a joke out of it and both laugh.
But it's great because we offer each other advice on relationships and are both
much further ahead. I divulge all of my secrets to her and she let's me in on
what women think. Regarding the porn business, since she looks like Jenteal
in real life I made a joke out of it to call her a porn star and suggest she
gets into the business knowing she is too smart to actually do it. She is doing
a masters in sports therapy, she does not sleep around, always uses condoms
and always takes her time to get to know a guy before she sleeps with him so
being this open did obviously not hurt. However on another point I am equally
open regarding sex and all sorts of bodily functions with all women I meet and
they inevitably become equally open with me. I find that when I open up first
it frees them to also open up.
Just like when I tell them I want them it frees them to feel and express that
they want me.
Mark B. (Commenting to B.L.): Better to say "I want to make love to YOU" rather than "I love to fuck." Saying you just want to fuck makes it seem that you want to use her as a piece of meat. Many guys think they are appealing to her by being "open" to sex when in fact they turn her off. I have never had a woman slap me, run away or otherwise turn away when I told her I wanted to make love to her. In fact, after indicating my sexual interest in her, women tend to come close and develop a greater contact with me. To me, this seems to be the ultimate compliment to woman as long as the focus is on YOU MAKING LOVE TO HER, not just making love or fucking in general. Subtle but important.
> B.L.: This is great stuff. I've actually tried this before, and while I didn't get to fuck this girl, she totally seemed to get into me. She didn't react badly at all. She basically just said, "Really? Why is that?" No slap, no running away...It was a pure 100% positive result. She opened up to me after that. I didn't even realize the value in it until now. What I want to know is when do you usually use this? It seems to me to be too strong for an opener, but maybe quite soon after starting conversation? Do you use this at a certain point in your pick up? What about on younger, more immature girls, have you had the same results with them?
MB: Also see my first comments above. When you ask out a woman and she agrees
to go out with you WHY THE FUCK IS SHE THERE??? To talk about the weather, sports,
pets, your dead uncles. NO, she is there because of something that she stands
to gain from you as a woman and you being a man it is your obligation to give
it to her. Once there is an obvious comfort level between the two of us as indicated
by laughter, a flow to conversation, some
light touching, eye contact, etc. I decide that there is a connection there
and it's a good time to let her know I want her. But I make sure I let her know
I think she is attractive throughout our time together. Each and every time
when I told a woman I wanted to make love to her, women have endeared themselves
to me. Even though I do not get to sleep with all the women I say this to, they
suddenly initiated more conversations, begin calling more and become generally
much more receptive to anything to do with me.
Regarding pickups my opening line is "You know I could not help to notice
but I think you are a stunningly beautiful woman" then I engage her in
conversation, make her laugh, ask her out, more conversation on anything fun,
get her to laugh more and feel easy then once that is in place I tell her I
want her and 30%-50% of the time I get her with some persistence. BUT if I hold
back and wait when the conditions of comfort are present women say LJBF or "you
are not interested in me, Mark." Regarding age, I target women 25 and up
so younger than that I would not know about but I do not see how it should be
different other than maybe it requires more work to get them to feel easy with
you.
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Dwacon (Saajan Ke Ghar Jaana Hain www.dwacon.com): > GameMaster (Comments from private email about online dating): I know the top 5% get deluged with mail and sometimes they don't have the time to write back.
Dwacon: I also find many wimmin who write back, then you reply to them and
never hear another peep. I took some material from Ross and tweaked and tweaked
and it gets quite the response... but I suppose I need a good uppercut to take
them down after the right hook. Another thing I've noticed is that when you
sign on to a singles' service, you get a ton of emails from some girl with a
ridiculously perfect picture and she says stuff like she doesn't care how ugly
you are, she just wants you to... but first, check out her web site and put
in your credit card to see her pictures.
Yeah... and I can imagine tons of AFCs who fall for this.
> GameMaster: They have a feature where they show that you are "Logged in Now" and the girls have told me that's a turnoff when they find that we are cruising "for them while they're surfing for us. Doesn't make any sense but these are women we're dealing with.
Dwacon: That's why I've adopted a "no mercy" approach when sarging
a woman.
Their lack of logic is painful.
>Cliff: The reality of "systems" is that everyone's skill levels are different. I have seen guys pick up SS over the course of a weekend seminar and have massive immediate success, and others who have studied everything and couldn't get their act together if their life depended on it.
Dwacon: I remember the day I got Ross' book in the mail about 4 or 5 years ago. I called this chick off the personals line and was literally reading paragraphs of the book to her... she was knocking on my door within the hour and her panties came off before I could finish opening the bottle of wine. Later, I met some wimmin who couldn't be sarged if I had a thousand dollar bill taped to my forehead. It's kinda like Las Vegas... TO ME anyway. But I like to turn the odds more in my favor. I do notice that tonality covers a multitude of sins and I do worse in clubs with the loud music pounding.
> Ciz: I think, similarly to guys who get into the exclusive relationship, engagement, marriage sort of thing, there are also guys who get, "type casted," into the adventurous, one night fling, multiple girlfriend, sort of thing. Maybe girls can sense this. Sort of like the movie audiences that only accept Arnold always in action movies. We need to somehow becomes guys like Robert De Niro, who can play tough guys, eccentric guys, mentally deranged guys, Mafioso, CIA agents, etc. Somehow, something we project sends out the, "not for relationship!" vibe. I do not know what it is. This may give certain advantages to getting the quick fuck, and maybe there is a reason why certain guys unconsciously exude this.
Dwacon: I'm pretty convinced this is my case. I'm still working on how to make
this work to my advantage. I first became aware of it when, about six years
ago, a colleague accused me of harassing her at work. She was interrogated and
it pretty much came out that I had very little interaction with her... never
asked her out, never touched her, never said more than two or three words for
her. But her feeling was that when I looked at her she felt as if she were naked.
That made no sense to me at the time...
still doesn't... but it is a known constant that men act on what they see and
women act on the hidden meaning behind what they see... even if there is no
hidden meaning there. Back when I worked at that company, I responded to this
accusation by being extra nice and avoiding conflict. This was tantamount to
dousing a roaring fire with a bucket of gasoline. These days (although I still
walk on eggshells around the workplace) when a woman gets this way I use NLP
to turn it around... to take what she is projecting on me and putting it where
it truly belongs... between her thighs.Anyway...
exuding a certain je ne sais quoi (how's my French?) works to my advantage when
I let it.
> Ciz: I think one of the things of girls knowing that you have other girlfriends or have a wild sexual history is that it attracts the younger, sexually adventurous girls.
Dwacon: In my area, it is the 18-19 year olds that fall into that role. Any older and they're already carrying more baggage than a squadron of red caps can handle. Thought balls also work great on those girlz... go figure.
> Mark B: My little sister called me today and admitted that she slept with her new boyfriend for the first time. This is the same guy who she told not to call her again because he talked too much about his other women. He kept on being persistent and finally scored.
Dwacon: I met this little Janet Jackson lookalike via the personals and she was like, "no, I won't kiss you." This kept on for a while. So I just grabbed her and kissed her. She was like offended for a second, then got hot and we wound up bouncing the mattress. Something about me just taking it turned her on.
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PRODUCTS AND LINKS (There's some NEW STUFF in here, and I will try and put something new in here as often as possible):
For those of you who are just reading about this for the first time, I decided a couple of emails ago to add links to these emails. The idea would be to get enough money in to hire someone to take over the administrative work (and also to buy things which would improve this list, such as proper mailing list software) for this list. If you were going to buy the product anyway, just use the link that appears below and you are helping to keep this list going at no extra cost to anyone.
NON SEDUCTION-RELATED SITES
One of the more useful links I have set up is to amazon.com -- I know I buy
a lot from them and I am sure that many of you also do. So I arranged a link
with them and you can now buy from them and help out this email newsletter at
the same time. If anyone has any other suggestions of sites that would be a
good one for me to set up a link to, please let me know.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/nositeihaveap-20 For those in
the U.K., this should work: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=cliffslist-21&site=amazon
Here's a way for you to accept credit cards on your site today: http://zzz.clickbank.net/r/?cliffslist
RECOMMENDED LIST
DOUBLE YOUR DATING One of the best places for you to start your journey on becoming
more successful with women would be to get David DeAngelo's Double Your Dating
e-book. David (who posts here under the name "Sisonpyh" -- which is
"hypnosis" spelled backwards) is a good friend that I have known for
several years now that I originally met through one of Ross's Speed Seduction
seminars. His posts here have been among the most outstanding contributions
I have had over the years and his book (and the free bonuses) is highly recommended.
http://www.doubleyourdating.com/cl/ HOW TO SUCCEED WITH WOMEN Ron Louis and
David Copeland have been reading these emails for awhile and recently sent me
their Mastery Program Tape series which I have finished listening to. It has
some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you
can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those
who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent
basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For
those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set
of tapes.
http://www.howtosucceedwithwomen.com/cgi-bin/at.cgi?a=169700 SEVEN MAGIC WORDS
Comments on this product from Tony B.:
I thought I might drop you a quick line regarding some of the more popular sites
that have been seen within this "seduction community." After seeing
several terrible reviews and "flames" from alt.seduction.fast, I decided
to make a decision for myself based upon my own ideas of what could be offered
on the Seven Magic Words product and after several months of reading great novels
about how to attract women and multiple posts about how women are most attracted
to men, I STILL found the site to be beneficial. After joining the site, I was
happy to learn all the new techniques that I have never seen on any list and
that alone made it worth the money. I am not typically the type of person that
spends money on a site especially a seduction site, I would rather pay for some
audio or video, but the information that was offered was different and unequal
to anything I have seen in the past. At any rate, I know you wanted a review..
and I have actually come to know the owner, and he puts more attention in his
members area than I would expect to see from any other site.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/smackudown DATING INSIDER Not only does
this next site give you an unconditional 1 year no risk money back guarantee,
but it stands alone and it's program is unmatched. Right now they're doing a
Free Trial period, and I'd take advantage of this while you can. The site reads
"Learn the proven secrets for meeting, attracting, and seducing women.
From A - Z, you'll discover the most advanced techniques for picking up women
ever developed." Check out their Free Trial (before it ends) and you'll
see why their members like this program so much. Click on
http://www.dating-insider.com/international/welcome.html.
How to Lay Girls Guide The ultimate SEDUCTION SECRETS database: http://www.layguide.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=Cliffslist
NEW RECOMMENDATIONS:
I have finished reading The Sexual Key and it is one of the best works I have
read about understanding the language that women respond to. I give this a strong
recommendation and the price is right, too. The book, and/or its companion book,
Gut Instinct (which I will be reviewing) can be downloaded off the net for $39.97
each or $49.97 for both.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist.sexualkey
THE UNKNOWN! (Not reviewed)
HYPNO-TECH Here's another one which I think has been reviewed here in the past
but I haven't gone through the old emails to check. "Do You Want To Know
A Simple, Two Minute Hypnotic Technique That Lets YOU Secretly Put Any Woman
Into An Instant Trance And Persuades Her To Ask YOU Out?
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/hypnotech ADVANCED MACKING Advanced Macking
has one of the most enticing websites. An updated review would also be welcome.
http://www.advancedmacking.com
This one also looked pretty interesting. The link for more information on breakups
and loving-styles is http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/Tigress Success Secrets
Our free newsletter reveals it all Money and Personal Finance secrets; Business
& Marketing secrets; Health, Fitness, and Weight-Loss advice; Self Defense
secrets; Memory Improvement tips; Smart Advice on Flirting, Dating, Sex, and
Relationships; Personal Development tips; Communication and Negotiation tips;
Tax Secrets & Loopholes!
Investment and Stock Market tips; and Much More http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/prodeskcom
The Ultimate Guide to Powerful Relationships is only $8.95 and looks very interesting.
Comments, please. http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades Here's a new
one I found which needs to be reviewed: "Guys! Get More Pussy with our
Adult Personals Inside Secrets Guide! Plus! Free Survey Results of Women Using
Personals for Sex The Guide contains the following Inside Secrets Replying to
ads - how to get noticed and get a date for hot sex.
Placing ads - how to beat the competition and get lots of replies How to handle
follow up communication to keep her interested. Examples of replies that worked
on us. You can just copy and paste these into your ads or replies. Saves you
time and increases your chances! A directory of the best websites for meeting
hot women! Sick of chicks who are only into cybersex and nothing else! The Guide
contains a list of the best adult personals sites."
http://secure.ibill.com/cgi-win/ccard/rscookie.exe?RevShareID=9804000000274976&
returnto=http://www.mysexinfo.com
Secrets of Power Persuasion! A course by Jian Wang to teach you how to write
hypnotic language to make others obey your command.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/mrchange (if this doesn't work, try this:
http://www.mrchange.com/?hop=cliffslist.mrchange, but both worked for me) Arte's
New Sex Video is kind of interesting. He shows a lot about playing with a woman's
g spot (which he demonstrates on his comely girlfriend - but I could have done
without seeing your dick, Arte). I will do a more extensive review after I have
watched it again more carefully: http://amos.simonweb.com/loveebook/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=lrec
FREE PLUGS
The following are all recommended but clicking on the links and buying from
them doesn't send any money back here (it is also recommended that the sponsors
of these sites consider setting this up -- from the little experience I have
had since I started the commercial section a couple of weeks ago, I think you
are missing a lot of business by not doing this) http://www.speed-seduction.com/
- The # 1 source; read the free newsletters & get the basic course.
http://www.trucor.com/ - Major Mark's site, the place to learn hypnosis and
about married women
http://www.essential-skills.com/ - learn anchoring, tonality, rapport, goal
getting, etc.
http://www.davidshade.com/ Give women incredible pleasure get David Shade's
Manual
http://www.fastseduction.com/ - great resource, a must visit http://www.sosuave.com/
- lots of free materials, many good ideas and articles http://www.mindcontrolmanual.com/
- seduce men and women through the power of the mind
http://www.oscarbruce.com/ - All his books deal with perusasion, manipulation
and a mild form of seduction. Books like School for Scoundrels focus on getting
your way with people and getting them to see things your way.
http://www.pickupguide.com - Maniac High's PUA Archive http://www.seductionnow.com
- This site has a lot of links and it contains pretty much all that an aspiring
PUA needs to know.
Get on Mystery's Lounge - send him an email at [email protected] (note
this new email address) with REQUEST MEMBERSHIP in the subject line.
Include your REAL name, your experience, background in the PUA, some online
PUA's who can vouch for you (references), and a real pic of yourself. If you
do not wish to give this REAL information, don't join. Only the PRO's are in
there anyways - we discuss lots of stuff but it's the REAL pix of our conquests
and the fact that we don't HIDE who we are to each other that makes it appealing.
MANY of the members Mystery has personally sarged with.
The rule is simple don't fuck up anyone's game. If you can abide by that and
have a track record for contributing, then that's basically good as gold. Pix
are a requirement, however. The Lounge is in many ways an EXTENSION of Cliff's
List and is not an alternative. You don't have to be a PRO, but you MUST play
the game. If you are only WANTING to ONE DAY chase skirts, please don't bother
joining.
http://www.mysterymethod.com/ - Mystery offers MM in-field training with his
3 day workshop, Sex Magic in several cities. Learn how to put women under your
spell by Mystery himself. Need to learn how to approach groups of people and
have solid material to fill the silence? Click now for more info & to sign
up.
Playerware which is designed specifically for men who like to date and interact
with a large number of women. The program is essentially an electronic chick
organizer. It contains features such as contact management, photo storage, an
electronic journal, a sophisticated rating and comparison system, date/interaction
tracking, as well as other unique features. Visit the site and you can get a
40 day free trial. Full registration is currently only
$15. http://www.playerware.com/default.asp?refid=10
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New Links to be explored (WE NEED THESE REVIEWED!): 1) The website reads as
follows and we need someone's review of this: "Impress everybody! Make
your life happen on purpose! Matthew Whiting an English and Psychology graduate
from Canterbury University and later a graduate of The National Academy of Performing
Arts, has created this revolutionary step-by-step training system which will
give you the means to becoming irresistibly attractive. Hence enabling you to
gain the relationship and life that you want. Whether it is on stage or in real
life we all know the "x" factor when we see it! But can we produce
our own individual "x factor"? In this book Matthew Whiting's radical
new approach to "being irresistibly attractive" will show you how
to: Master these personal strategies to become more Charismatic: · Learn
how to be master of your own intention · Taking action
· Being a successful leader
· Learning confidence
· ...and a lot more...
Master these personal strategies for more Passion: · How to be funny
· Leaving a lasting impression
· How to utilize the power of speech
· Extraordinary kissing
· Flirting - a delightful, innocent, and respectful way to play with
each other!
· ...and a lot more...(18 Chapters in total!) This book is jam-packed
with tonnes of information, (185 A4-size pages). It is written in a tongue-in-cheek
manner which is easy to follow, and you are sure to enjoy. Once you experience
the marvelous changes that Matthew Whiting enables you to make, you can shape
your relationships and other life circumstances exactly as you'd like them to
be." http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades 2) How to create sexual
chemistry! This one looks interesting -- we need a review!
http://www.attractwomennow.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi/Cliffslist 3)
Welcome to CheekyCherry.co.uk, home of what has been called the bible of 'attracting
women, keeping them and sleeping with them'.
http://www.cheekycherry.co.uk/Main_categories/seduction_and_dating/dating_guide.html
4) Courses for women to seduce men!
http://www.ihrt.co.uk/seductionsystems/text%20gals.htm 5) Guys Guide to Girls
- A guide to relationships. How to overcome shyness and understand your partner...
http://www.philipov.com/guys1.htm 6) Wally's Seduction Tips for Desperate Bachelors
http://www.wallyandmurk.com/wally/sedution/Wallymag.html 7) Help with seduction
- for women who want to seduce men.
http://www.seducehim.com/
8) The website reads as follows and we need someone's review of this: "Ladies!
Never date a stranger unless you've checked him out first!
Fortunately, a basic background check is an easy thing to do, via the telephone
and the Internet. In just a matter of minutes, you can find out a great deal
on your own about any potential date (or even your fiance' or husband) using
the simple, free background check techniques described in our new "how-to"
manual.
CHECK HIM OUT FIRST! "Check Him Out! - The American Woman's Guide to Background
Investigations" guides you through the entire background check process
using clear, nontechnical language. You'll be amazed to learn that there's a
lot that can be done just by using the telephone intelligently!
Without even touching a computer, you can usually verify someone's name, address,
age, occupation, and even marital status over the telephone if you know which
government public records office to call and what information to ask for. "Check
Him Out!" is written for you -- the American woman with no knowledge of
public records and background checks, but with a need to do some quick basic
checking. It's easy to follow, and while it won't make you a seasoned "gumshoe,"
it will make you quite knowledgeable about the subject and will teach you all
you need to know to conduct a thorough basic background check on your own --
plus, it will show you where and how to get competent, reasonably priced help
if you later decide you want a more complex, in-depth background check done.
All this for $11.95 is hard to beat!" http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/washres
9) For those of you interested in being a bigger man, check out: http://www.angelfire.com/amiga/yourown/bigdickie.htm
10)What Every Man Should Know About Women! Learn the secrets to getting more
dates
than you thought were possible in the year 2001. What works, and what doesn't
work. How to spend less money and less time, to meet more women, and get more
dates. Self-Improvement skills for single men is what this material is all about!
Don't waste your time and money, get the facts on how to find Love efficiently
and effectively! Tired of not getting Lucky? Luck is when preparation meets
opportunity.
These Articles are guaranteed to teach you how to get and stay prepared, and
how to use the Internet to find more dates than you thought possible.
The information in these Articles will produce Ten Times the results of any
professional dating service. This material includes everything you need to get
own track. You need not purchase any other books. Our Total price for everything
is only $19.95 with a full
refund guarantee, if not 200% satisfied that this material will pay for itself
many
times over. http://www.howmengetdates.com/ 11) A long time subscriber to these
emails, Kenrick Cleveland was one of Ross Jeffries first teachers. These days
he is well known as the author of Max Persuasion, a course designed to help
people in all their pursuits in life that require the ability to persuade. I
have seen many reviews highly recommending his products but we could use one
for this list in relation to seduction. You can check it out
at:
http://www.maxpersuasion.com/cgi-bin/content/clickthru.cgi?content=Cliff604
What you should do is click on this link and then sign up for his free email
Influence Tip newsletters.
12) Suspect your spouse of cheating on you? Check this out http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/spouse1
13) Girl Patao: Learn how to talk to gals and get them wet DURING the conversation.
How to turn a 15 minute chitchat into a hot one-night stand.
How to avoid creating the wrong chemistry most men screw up with.
How to set-up the situation so that THEY will invite you over to their pad for
fun!
Improve your style, learn what to wear and where to go where women outnumber
men!
How to pin-point women that want to get into a one-night stand.
This is an online book also, focused on one night stands.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?CliffsList/devang1 14) Sex, Truths, Myths & Lies:
How to get magical responses - even standing ovations... everytime you make
love! Discover the Secrets Behind Great Sex...and turn your bed into more than
just a place to sleep! Discover: How to set off "continuous" orgasms
in a woman and in a man! How to enjoy the extreme pleasure derived from G-Spot
stimulation (both men and women). How and where to touch a woman to set her
"off" like a firecracker! How and where to touch a man to fill him
with uncontrollable passion and desire!
How to rekindle the hot passion of a relationship gone sexless. How to gain
the love and devotion of any man or woman. How to seduce the man or woman of
your dreams. How to guide your fingers to the ultimate "hot spots"
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15) 101 AMAZING SEX SECRETS
The Secrets of Meeting, Dating & Seducing Women Where To Meet Women
What Women Look For in a Man
Proper Appearance and Grooming
Tips To Men From Women On the First Approach Flirting Tips That Will Help You
Score
How to Read Her Signals.
Meeting Women Online Your Best Bet!
The Internet’s Best Online Personals
Where To Go on Dates
20 Dating Rules For Men
A Little Erotic Talk
II. 101 steps to having a good relationship
50 Most Romantic Things To Do For Your Love One
The meaning of Flowers and how to pick one III. The Secrets of Amazing Foreplay
How To Kiss Like a Pro
How To French Kiss
Male and Female Erogenous Zones
How To Give an Erotic Massage
Exploring Her Nipples
Using Your Hand on Her
Finding Her Elusive G-Spot
Cunnilingus: Do It Right Or Don’t Do It At All!
Helpful Clit Tips
Finger Techniques That She'll LOVE!
All About Analingus
Foreplay Do’s and Don’t’s
IV. The Secrets of Great Sex
Sexual Positions
Thrusting Techniques To Make Her Scream!
15 Things You Should NEVER Do in Bed!
5 Surefire Ways to Make Her Orgasm
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Initiating Anal Sex
Top 15 Fantasies to share with your partner V. The Secrets of Penis Power &
Sexual Stamina Introduction to PC (Kegel) Exercises
PC (Kegel) Exercises
End Premature Ejaculation
More Ways To Last Longer In Bed
How To Be a Multi-Orgasmic Male
Increase Your Ejaculation (Cum Like a Porn Star) Improve the Flavor of Your
Semen
Overcoming Erection Problems
All About Viagra.
VII. The Secrets of Achieving Sexual Power Mastering Self-Confidence
$27.95 at http://hop.clickbank.net/?CliffsList/digitsoft
16) Ph.D of Persuasion: What would it be like to instantly tantalize the minds
of others? The power to influence is naturally one of the most vital skills
to succeed in life. Interpersonal communication takes place everyday, and if
you cannot get others to see your point, then you place yourself at a great
disadvantage. This book readily allows you to discover breakthrough secrets
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17) Psychic Seduction: Easily unleash irresistible attraction within anyone...
using PURE MIND POWER! It isn't NLP or speed seduction. It's subtle psychic
influence over the emotional centers of the brain. Learn how to induce interest...
control and fan the flames of affection with your will alone... inflame others
with amazing fascination. Psychic Seduction melds the worlds of science and
the occult, ranging from modern brainwave states, neurolinguistic anchoring
and chakra/aura manipulation. Psychic Seduction is uni-sex, applicable to any
situation and extremely powerful.
Practitioners call it psychic pheromones! Choose from over 17 irresistible mind
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18) Magnetic Attraction: Discover the Seven Power Principles of Chemistry which
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draw from an impressive array of behavioral and esoteric mind techniques proven
in the realm of NLP and paranormal research. Incite fascination the minds of
anyone by inducing a sense of incredible rapport.
Stop... and realize the unparalleled potential... choose from over 20 techniques
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either Ph.D of Persuasion or Psychic Seduction.
http://www.SellShareware.com/ProgramInfo.asp?AfID=9096&PrID=39987
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