Feel free to forward this email to all your friends and encourage them to request a free subscription.
This is Cliff's Private List, a free e-mail relating to seduction. Your comments are requested, encouraged, and greatly appreciated (note that comments from people commenting are separated by IIIIIIII) . If you know anyone who would like to be added to the list to receive this, or if you would like to be removed from the list, send an e-mail (or hit "Reply") asking to be removed to [email protected] and it will be done (I have had some problems receiving emails lately, and you might be well advised to also address a "cc" of your email to me at [email protected] ). Please note that the [email protected] address will eventually change, so it would be best to keep sending emails to the other two addresses only. If you would like to be added to the free joke list, just ask. For those of you unfamiliar with the references to Speed Seduction, we highly recommend your visiting http://www.speed-seduction.com/
By your accepting receipt of these emails, you understand that the information
contained in this email and in any other emails you may have received from us
is an expression of opinions, and they should be used for personal entertainment
purposes only. You are responsible for your own behavior, and none of anything
you read herein is to be considered legal or personal advice. You also understand
and agree that any products you may order as a result of your reading about
them in these emails are produced and sold independently from us and that any
complaints, disputes or other issues which you may have with the sponsors of
these products are to be dealt with directly with said sponsors and we are not
responsible in any way whatsoever for any issues which you may have with them.
If you are not in agreement with any of this, please email me immediately and
request to be removed from the subscription list.
For those interested in seeing the previous emails that were sent out ("the
archives"), they are available on request, or you can visit http://www.fastseduction.com/cliff/
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Here are a few seduction related sites to visit: http://www.philipov.com/guys2.htm
http://theplayerspage.com/
http://www.gaynor.co.uk/book.htm
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Ross:
> Stephane: These days I've been having crazy successes by using a 'qualification
frame'. I just boldly ask her questions....do you have a BF?
Do you live with your parents? What do you do for a living? etc. etc. and then
saying, "Have a drink with me." Actually, I don't ONLY do that, but
I'm giving you a bare skeleton. You guys are going to have to wait for the book
to come out (soon, I promise) to get to the good stuff : )
Ross: I think this is VERY powerful and useful, especially for girls under
25 and
super-hotties.
> Stephane: A message to Mystery: Mys, I have read all your comments to me about hypnotherapy and NLP. I don't knock YOUR business, and I don't insult you and tell you that your business is completely useless. I hope you can take what you dish out.
Ross: Obviously, Mys has learned a style of confronting people that seems so
natural to him, he can't even consider doing anything else. I think that style
of "MY WAY IS THE ONLY WAY" will succeed in impressing people with
ZERO self-confidence and ZERO ability to judge or trust their own thinking.
So that is what he is going to attract, both in male "followers" and
in women.
By contrast, I do NOT claim to know everything. I welcome feedback and encourage
and reward participation from my students; that is why SS is currently light-years
ahead of anything else and will remain that way - we are truly a group exploration
of what can and does work.
I suspect Mys is imitating some figure in his life who walked through the world
this way, but it is very limiting. To anyone with any brains or experience,
I believe his approach comes off as insecure and defensive.
> Stephane: You take your students and send them out into the field without
any mental preparation... therefore I wouldn't recommend your workshop UNLESS
they ALREADY knew how to control their state. Then again, if they already know
how to control their state and be relaxed and loose and charming around women,
then they don't need you! And that's
because when you can control your state of mind THE REST IS EASY.
Ross: Exactly, but looking at Mys' apparent map of things, if it isn't difficult, it isn't worthwhile! What an extra sack of rocks to have to walk with through this world.
>Stephane: I'm not intellectualizing the shyness away. The brain in an archival system -- it doesn't have a delete button. I'm not getting rid of shyness, I'm adding new states.
Ross: Great distinction. Mys doesn't think on these levels so he doesn't realize these distinctions.
>Stephane: Practical, real-world experience is important, but if you can't control the disabilitating feeling of fear BEFORE you go out, you're going to get crushed in the real world. And the point is that you don't need to get hit by a bus to LEARN TO LOOK BOTH WAYS.
Ross: Bingo. Mys has some heavy parental messages, probably from a father-figure,
about life being difficult and people basically being shiftless, weak, lazy-bastards
who need to be beaten into submission or bullied into doing things "THE
RIGHT WAY".
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
GameMaster (Comments from private email about online dating): I know the top 5% get deluged with mail and sometimes they don't have the time to write back. I'm sticking primarily with the 34 and up crowd, I've found that is pretty much the threshold to be able to appeal to their sense of fair play when it comes to a reply. Lot's of very pretty girls on match.com down here just because the bar scene is so brutal and the nitelife in this city has sort of lost it's luster with most people. Still a pro-players town.
Anyway, I get a lot of no replies too but I've taken the Astrology route lately
and I only send when the moons in a water or fire sign. OK, go ahead and take
your shots! : ) But it seems
to be working, these are the days they are the most sensitive and daring.
If they don't write
back I send them a note going "OK, here's the deal (blah blah)....if I
still don't hear back
I send them one final note appealing to their sense of courtesy. I'd say I probably
get thru
to 6-7/10 just thru persistence. The final final appeal is the "intuition"
route. That gets the
number up to 7-8/10. I've been busy. I just make a list of the girls and copy
their profile over
to Word and then edit it down and send it back to em'. Or it could just be my
devastating
charm : )?
(Part of a comment on a former Miss Louisiana who he met online:) Easy to see that she wants to get me hooked first but that ain't likely to happen anytime soon. She wants an exclusive and I'd give her the impression of that if she had any hot friends but I met 'em all New Year's and they're all dogs.
Cliff: You'd dangle the carrot to get the bunnies, hmm?
GameMaster: Is that bad?? : ) I've got a stack of business cards and email
addresses to mine when
the heat dies down from a couple of recent castaways. By now they have heard
without a doubt at least three things about me and 2/3 are good.
Prolly on top of their curiosity list is the "full body orgasm" routine.
It's an induction I use to get them to relax after I've already gotten them
off the first time and they become willing subjects for more. It's a simple
3,2,1-10, 9, 8 stairway thing. I get them to walk thru a door at the bottom
of the stairs where they see themselves having the most explosive mind blowing
orgasm they ever imagined...with me : ) Then I pull out the Triple Play and
fuck their world up. Miss L won't let me do it to her anymore cause it scares
her too much. Women have a hard time letting go I guess...not me!
Some tips on Match.com:
Now that I boil my experience of the last 6 months down, I've found the following
to be a good road map:
1) if you're going to login to do a search do it in off hours, like early in
the morning or
late at nite. They have a feature where they show that you are "Logged
in Now" and
the girls have told me that's a turnoff when they find that we are cruising
for them
while they're surfing for us. Doesn't make any sense but these are women we're
dealing
with.
2) they also have a feature that shows when you were last using the service
like 'in the
past 24 hours, the past 3 days, etc'. I try to limit my logon time so that it
won't appear
that I'm constantly trolling for pussy so I do my searches "offline"
and make a list of
possibles and then go do a name search which allows you full access to their
profile.
3) I cut and paste their profile to Word and then write a witty one paragraph
response
and mail them out once a week, or when the moon's in Libra : ))) With persistence
I've gotten my hit rate up to 70-80% with a 90% close rate after meeting.
It's just
not fair.
4) keep making changes to your profile till you get it right and solicit feedback
from the
girls. I've pared mine down dramatically in the last two months and made a number
of key changes that seem to be working based on what I hear back from the girls.
5) get them on the phone and talking as soon as possible and make the most of
it. The
fucking email thing could go on forever with some of these chicks.
Oh yeah, and when they ask for more pictures I send them a pic of my dog Elvis
and
tell them that's what I look like today. It's really bizarre but they stop asking
for more
photos at that point and I usually get something back like "you're even
more handsome
than I thought".
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Mark B.:
> Adam: This one guy paid over $2000 to go to the Speed Life seminar, I asked
him how his life has improved since then, and he said "The best thing I
learned,
is that you can control your state." Well, this guy can control his state
worse than anyone I've ever known, and he has no balls.
MB: It's interesting that there are really two types of guys that post and generally write about women. The first group are guys that base their posts on real life experience. The second group, which is almost always stronger in their conviction, posts based on what they have read. It makes me laugh when I hear things like "Never tell a woman she is beautiful" "You could give a woman orgasms just by talking to her" "Do not call her for 5 days after you meet her" - pure nonsense and obviously any who has had any real life experience knows this advice is not real.
Clifford: You can give a woman orgasms just by talking to her and some women shouldn't be called for 5 days after you meet her. And, now that I think about it, telling some women they are beautiful is the wrong thing to do. But none of these are absolutes -- they are all situation specific but definitely not complete nonsense.
> Adam: I know a guy who's been to 2 Major Mark seminars, and has all these
Ross
Jeffries products. He's even got a certificate from Tad James to be a hypnotist!
He claims that you don't have to do so many walk-ups to get good. I go out with
him, and he can't do more than 2 walk-ups a night before he calls it quits.
He uses excuses like "I don't feel like it, or my absolute favourite 'I
wasn't in state'. I could name more people who have gone to SS seminars, Essential
Skills seminars, etc. who say they learned all this valuable stuff, and they
still couldn't get laid if they were the last mammal on earth.
MB: Right. Being a hypnotist, Speed Seducer, PUA, a magician, a herbalist,
mind bender, a
sorcerer, an evil scientist will not get anyone laid unless ones goes out there
and asks for it. Over the holidays I spent the entire time, other than with
family, with one HB who has become somewhat of a girlfriend it seems, although
I am still keeping my options open. Whenever I wanted to bang her I said "hey,
you look so hot and sexy right now, I want to make love to you" and began
kissing her and undressing her and slept with her every time. I wanted her to
do a strip show for me so I simply asked her "I would like you to do a
strip show for me" and she did. When I met her, I said "I would like
to take you out with me." Then just focused on being fun and easy, kissed
her on the 1st date, told her she was hot and that I wanted her. How much easier
could this be? Why fuck around with techniques when all it takes is a simple
direct expression of what you want while being focused on her, fun and relaxed
with a smile.
Clifford: While I agree that being direct (aka being honest) is the best approach, it doesn't always work the way you are describing and a lot of women do not give in so easily without some real warming up.
MB: There is a guy in my office who has a beer belly the size of a spare tire
yet he brought to our office Christmas party a HB9 with huge breasts. I took
him aside and asked him how he was able to get her and he said "I was just
honest. I told her I was attracted to her and that I wanted to be with her."
But, like I said before, if someone came out and said that in a system it would
not sell because in order to make sales "the higher the degree of perceived
complexity the greater the perceived value and higher the sales".
First and foremost, systems are designed to be sold, be helpful second.
> Adam: I have been doing many walk-ups in clubs regularly every weekend,
and it's
no longer a scary thing for me. I have fun with women, make them laugh, I'm
not self-critical, and I don't focus on state. I always come home with a phone
#, and I'm actually getting laid sometimes. I've come a long way, and I can
only go further.
MB: Good for you. Over the holidays I went Christmas shopping to a mall across
where I work. I saw a HB10 with a low cut miniskirt and a tight top that barely
covered her breasts while wearing a big trench coat. She walked right by me
into a store with a female companion. I waited for her to come out and then
I touched her hand to get her attention. She looked at me and then looked back
at her female fiends and did not even respond and kept walking without ever
hearing what I had to say. Could have been a lesbian.
Undaunted I went on my way and decided to actually strike up friendly conversations
with women in close proximity, that is, in line for the check out, while browsing
in stores, anywhere - a frame of being easy to talk to with lots to say, fun
and outgoing with a smile. While in this frame, I talked to about 5 HB's and
actually had 2 approach me because I first looked at them and smiled. Although
my intent was not to get numbers but just be free and easy, I had great responses
from all 7 women I talked to. (I already have one relatively steady one and
another 2 on the go and given a few more on the go with work and the gym would
be too much to handle.) But it never hurts to stay sharp so just conversing
would not hurt. So we talked about how busy the mall was, our plans for the
holidays, who we are buying for, how much we were spending. The funny thing
happened was that while talking to one woman another one would join in the conversation
just by virtue of the two of us having a conversation. The key was just smiling
at them and generally being fun, easy and relaxed. No need for hypnosis and
some artificially induced states.
Regarding hypnosis and autosuggestions, I have tried to get women that I have
slept with to initiate sex just by creating a blow job pattern or a wild and
passionate sex pattern. The result - I would get them to think about sex but
never to actually initiate anything even though these women were ones I already
slept with before. Even when I said "....you feel the desire to initiate
a passionate love making session and you feel like asking for it..." nothing
happened, ever. My initial thought that autosuggestions or hypnosis could work
came as a result of being able to get women to think about sex or a blow job
but when it came for them to act upon it, my use of the systems fell hopelessly
short. In fact, some of the time women who I did not know well but would try
to do some heavy SS on would say "what are you trying to do here, are some
kind of a weirdo?" It did not take too long for me to realize something
was wrong. The simpler the better.
I work in the investment/money management industry. Over the last 50 years if
you just bought the S&P 500 index of 500 stocks you would have done better
than 98% of all active managers over the same period. All other complicated
strategies for trading, asset allocation and other nonsense hopelessly under
perform. Buying the index is simple, it makes more money over time than virtually
all other investment strategies combined yet because it's so simple and relatively
slow and unexciting and most people do not buy it in favour of something more
complicated for the promise of better and faster results. The reason this happens
is that sometimes one type of strategy over a short time grossly over performs
all others based on some random economic phenomenon - remember the tech boom
2 years ago, people are still talking about it and trying to buy the next hot
tech stock even though the conditions that existed back then are no longer present.
People get hooked on their short term high end success and think they have found
a panacea for quick results. However their high end results were a short term
statistical aberration with little long term consistent potential.
I see the same parallel with women. Once in a while someone will achieve extraordinary
success over a short time with some technique - autosuggestion, hypnosis, herb
extracts whatever and assume that this is the answer to all their problems.
They create a whole system around it and market it with zeal to unsuspecting
hopeless victims hoping to catch them on their vulnerability. All the while
their success was really random and based on
very quick results on a small number of women. Think about it. What if someone
comes out and says that bin Laden will be found in June and it does happen that
person will be perceived as being some sort of a guru yet their prediction was
purely random. People will come to them for advice even though their accurate
prediction was just luck. I feel it's important to have a healthy dose of skepticism
to those who try to overcomplicate the simple.
Being simple and just asking for what you want seems simple, almost too simple
to work and there will be times when it will not and sometimes it will take
longer to get a woman in bed than some other techniques. There will be systems
out there that will get some women into bed faster than the simple direct approach
but this number of women will be smaller than if one just goes out there and
asks for it normally. However, I believe that over time although it may take
a little longer to get women into bed, one will actually get more women over
time by being direct and simple and the women that one does get are far more
likely to stay than ones that were captured using some other "get rich
quick method."
Cliff: The reality of "systems" is that everyone's skill levels are
different. I have seen guys pick up SS over the course of a weekend seminar
and have massive immediate success, and others who have studied everything and
couldn't get their act together if their life depended on it.
So I don't agree with your comment that simplicity is better than techniques
- it depends on the individual, what works for them, how they do things, etc.
I have seen guys get great results doing something that another guy tried and
totally bombed with. There are no absolutes in this.
I don't think there is only one way to do anything -- that's part of the reason
this list exists because I know that the collective intelligence of guys out
there working on the universal challenge of getting successful with women has
resulted in a very wide range of ideas, concepts, strategies, etc. And I just
happen to love reading about that.
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Ciz:
> Deadeye: "Well, you aren't doing a very good job, anyway," I
laughed. We had a great hour or so with my mother, and at one point HB Italian
commented (with a small smile) "Your son is really persistent." HB
Italian said earlier she was going to a party at a friend's house. When I walked
her to her car, she made it clear she was not going to invite me to go along.
I shrugged, once again conveying "no big deal." Told her I'd call
her in a day or so, and left without going for a kiss--the vibe was wrong.
HB Italian is the most interesting of the girls I'm seeing, but her current
behaviour has me scratching my head. I know several things: 1. It is counterproductive
to try to reason with a woman about why she should be attracted to you ("We
had great sex and you wanted to make all sorts of plans with me, what's changed?")
So is sounding like you're pleading. I've kept the "Bratty little sister"
frame firmly in mind at all times. Also always used my most seductive voice
(Caucasian Barry White) on the phone since day one.
2. She is sad about the time she wasted with the ex, as he had obvious problems.
She does NOT want to get back together with him. I'm at a loss as to what I
should do to recreate the attraction on her part. Is this just a "Christmas
holiday after breakup" funk that hits some women really hard?
Should I
a) Keep doing what I'm doing -- calling every few days with some small but specific
thing I want her to do with me? (i.e. coming over and cooking dinner with me)
b) Not call at all for a while? How long?
c) Tell her (with a smile) "Hey, I met this really great girl, and we really
hit it off. We were making plans together, and we had great sex that was about
to get even better. Now she's vanished, and I need your help to find out if
she's just away for a little while, or if she's dead. I'd like to have this
girl back, but If I know she's dead, then I'll stop thinking about her."
d) Tell her, the next time she says something about how she wasted two years
on ex-bf and she doesn't want to waste another two, "HB Italian, NO time
you spend with me will ever be time wasted." e) Tell her it's obvious to
me she's no longer interested and ask her to introduce me to some equally hot
friends. (I don't think I'm at this point yet, BTW)
I know I've got other irons in the fire, but this one has (or had) LTR potential
that the others do not. At age 44, I'm perhaps more interested in self-sufficient,
smart women than some of you PUAs. Suggestions from anyone would be appreciated.
I'm especially interested in what Ross would suggest.
Ciz: I bet the bf hit the gf after she confessed to getting fingered in the
car with you... Anyways...
I think, similarly to guys who get into the exclusive relationship, engagement,
marriage sort of thing, there are also guys who get, "type casted,"
into the adventurous, one night fling, multiple girlfriend, sort of thing. Maybe
girls can sense this. Sort of like the movie audiences that only accept Arnold
always in action movies. We need to somehow becomes guys like Robert De Niro,
who can play tough guys, eccentric guys, mentally deranged guys, Mafioso, CIA
agents, etc. Somehow, something we project sends out the, "not for relationship!"
vibe. I do not know what it is. This may give certain advantages to getting
the quick fuck, and maybe there is a reason why certain guys unconsciously exude
this.
What to do about this? I think one of the things of girls knowing that you have
other girlfriends or have a wild sexual history is that it attracts the younger,
sexually adventurous girls, such as the girlfriend who later got the black eye.
It makes them know that you are not going to pressure them into a relationship
and that they can relax. Whereas the older girls in their late thirties, who
are not married/ and/or want kids, see red flags at the sort of guy with the
sexual history above average. These sort can get temporary excitement out of
the sexually adventurous guy, but are socially programmed to see an awful marriage/dating
relationship with this type. Similarly, younger girls who are not sexually adventurous,
share the view of the older girls.
So, it's kind of like sickle cell disease. It protects you from malaria and
is useful in that respect, but anemia is no party. So, can you expect to have
it both ways??? Maybe this is as good as it gets. Or, is there some way to design
a frame wherein the girl can accept a "player/reformed player/PUA"
in a long term relationship. Hey, guys have married prostitutes, just watch
the Jerry Springer show. Maybe the answer lies in getting one of those famed
bisexual girls... Or just move on to the next hot young chick to keep your mind
off of this 37 year old...
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Antony:
(My first MSN chat. Comments, please)
[21:27] Me: Why do people whenever I say sailing is better than sex always say
I'm crap in bed?!
[21:27] Me: You can't base it on one outing, you have to get good, and try all
conditions.
[21:27] Me: Sometimes it's crap. Like sex I guess [21:27] Me: But other times
you get such a high you want to live off it forever
[21:28] Me: Like there are some bits if I even think of it my heartrate triples!
[21:28] Her: Sounds amazing actually
[21:28] Her: And I'm sure u r great in bed [21:28] Me: You know that feeling?
When you think of something, and play it in front of you and relive it and everything
just goes boom inside?
[21:29] Her: Yes I do
[21:29] Me: With me, that's cool and that's what you look for in a sport, or
in anything
[21:30] Her: After u telling me all that I feel like I haven't lived now !
[21:30] Me: Ahh, come on Her
[21:31] Me: I'm sure you can think of a situation where you felt confident and
great about yourself and everything came together and everything was perfect
[21:31] Me: You just have to relive it!
[21:31] Me: I can name a few of those times, and feel great just thinking about
them.
[21:32] Her: Yes, I suppose I can
[21:32] Her: But not many unfortunately lol [21:32] Her: I suppose I will have
many more to come [21:32] Me: It doesn't matter how small the event was, it's
just the beautiful feelings you can feel about, now.
[21:34] Her: Suddenly u don't sound like someone who would cheat on his gf
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Dean:
> Cliff: I dated a stripper last year who said that a guy with a tan was
a huge attraction.
Those who know me know I am Mr. Pale and stay out of the sun like poison (it
is the number one cause of making people look older) so while I appreciated
the advice, the trade off isn't worth it to me.
Dean: Commenting on getting a tan, coming from an Aussie and as you should
all know, Australia has the highest incidence rate of skin cancer in the world,
you can get a tan. You just don't get a tan from the sun, that's all. A tan
really does makes you look healthier and is more attractive to women. The best
and safest way to get a tan is to use the solariums/sunbeds.
When you expose yourself to the sun you are exposing yourself to both UV A &
B rays, one gives you the tan, the other gives you sunburn and puts you at risk
of skin cancer. The Solariums/Sunbeds only expose you to the UV B rays and thus
eliminate the risk of skin cancer.
Constant tanning though, even from a sunbed, can age you faster. A good Aloe
Vera moisturizer is recommended, this also helps in relieving sunburn.
Also, a tan from a sunbed doesn't prevent you from getting burnt, unlike a real
tan and you still need to use sunscreen.
An alternative is to use the fake tans, a bit messy and have a more yellowish
appearance but it beats glowing in the dark and looking like Casper the Friendly
Ghost.
Another thing to point out is that skin cancer seems to be the most prevalent
in people that expose themselves to the sun irregularly. Studies in Australia
have proved that people who work outside in the hot Australian sun on a regular
basis don't seem to get skin cancer, because they are constantly exposed to
it and their bodies are used to the harsh effects of the sun.
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Stephane:
> Cultleader: Right again. These shy guys usually understand the problem
and the solution, restating it doesn't help, they have looked at their problem
at more angles than others have.--But Mystery in a sense makes the same error
as Stephane. Like Stephane, he offers good advice, but as I said these shy guys
already know that they should take action, restating it in more illustrious
ways will not make them do 48 pickups a week.
Stephane: 'restating it in more illustrious ways', as in 'reframing' really
DOES make a big
difference physically AND mentally. People's model of the world determines their
emotions and how they operate in the world.
> Cultleader:"Light parlor hypnotism and NLP swish techniques are
too mild, these guys need some hard core KGB brainwashing, I propose that they
come to me and for no fee up
front I will transform these nerds with Pain/drug hypnosis, bring them to a
state of transmarginalization, wipe the slate clean and then input the new directives."
Stephane: Cute. NLP swish techniques always work insofar as the person doing
the 'programming' is able to tailor the swish to that particular individual.
And I have rarely met
a master practitioner that really knew how to build a decent swish! The swish
pattern
in NLP is by now archaeology and there have actually been more developments
in the
field of NLP since 1982, including DHE and the new NHR. With that said, a good
swish
ain't mild if you know how to build it.
Could you explain a little more about KGB brainwashing?
> Mark B: My little sister called me today and admitted that she slept
with her
new boyfriend for the first time. This is the same guy who she told not to call
her again because he talked too much about his other women. He kept on being
persistent and finally scored. When I asked what finally changed her mind she
said he was free and easy with her and that turned her on. She said that he
said he wanted to sleep with her and she said she was unsure but he went ahead
began undressing and kissing her anyways and she did not resist him. Instead
of asking he just took charge, went for what he wanted and scored. She also
said that he was not as well hung as her previous boyfriend but that he knew
how to use what he had and that made up for any difference in size and actually
exceeded anything the previous boyfriend ever did. I asked what finally turned
her she said that he just took charge and took
what he wanted and that took any and all uncertainty away from her. She said
being with him sexually was the best experience she ever had because he took
charge and was a leader throughout the experience - she just laid back and had
fun. Good for her.........."
Stephane: Mark, it never ceases to amaze me how comfortable you are in talking
so deeply
about sex with your sister. She is lucky to have a bro like you. Could you please
explain to the rest of us insecure/immature dumb asses HOW you are able to talk
so freely about sex with your little sister? I mean, you even recommended to
her that she should get into the porn business! What are your views
on this?
Christopher:
We've had this debate before with Mys. He gets on his high horse, and goes off
on his "Hypnosis is bullshit" rant. Then we all respond to him, and
it goes back and forth a few rounds and then it all settles down ... until it
starts back up again.
He's got one point, and he makes it well: the only way to develop a skill is
via practice. But Ross, Major Mark, and Vizzini have been singing that song
for longer than anyone else on this list.
And then this other guy weighs in about some guy who's spent all this money
on Ross/Tom/Mark products and then can't control his state. Guess what guys:
state control is a skill! You get skills by practicing. You don't practice,
and you don't get the skills.
By gosh he's right about the other guy's lack of skills. He's probably got those
UC tapes, listened to them once, or stopped halfway through, or maybe even learned
what's on them so he could impress other people by talking about them but is
too lazy to practice.
Hypnosis and NLP are not about to turn some drab dweeb into a vibrant walkup
machine. That's not the point. It's not intended to. What they can do really
well is give that drab dweeb the proper frame of mind to go out and learn to
be an operator, if his beliefs and attitudes are stopping him from walking out
the door.
He reminds me of those doctors, who having spent several years desperately short
of sleep to get their jobs, aren't about to let the next generation have it
any easier, even if it kills a few patients.
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Sergio:
>Chrisonic: I will post here the approach which got me the hottest girl I
ever kissed. I never read about a similar approach on those seduction sites,
so I would like to see your comments. I was in a club with a friend drinking
some beers. After 6 or 7 cans of beer, we decided to approach 2 girls.
Sergio: This is sounding bad already. Guys that go up approaching girls drunk off their arse are the kinda guys I blow out of the water. But as I read on it just gets better...
> Chrisonic: Both were 6 or 6,5. Mine had a nice face, but her body was a little flat. I used the well known AFC approach: "You are nice, What's your name, where do you live," and all this old shit... After 7 or 8 minutes of talking, I succeeded and kiss closed. I think it happened because she liked my look. My friend succeeded with the other girl also.
Sergio: Good work. Purely AFC but who honestly gives a fuck? You closed.
There's a hell of a lot of people reading all this seduction shit, learning
how to elicit values and reading up about how to be a alphamale that just don't
close. You closed. Congrats. All the old fat smelly 40 year old SS students
will come back spouting bitterly about how you're a "young attractive guy,
yadda, yadda, yadda...." So? If you've got it use it!
Before I discovered SS I used to use the same sorta approaches with unpredictable
results. Go up with a mate to a two-set or three-set when I'm a little tanked
up. Spout some fluff and try my luck. Sometimes it worked, sometimes (most of
the time) it didn't.
> Chrisonic: At some point I needed to pee, so told my girl I was going to the bathroom and she said ok. When I came back, I noticed a girl who I thought was the same girl I kiss closed some minutes before (actually it wasn't the same girl. The girl was an HB10 with a similar face and a super hot body! The club was very crowded and I was kind of drunk, so I couldn't realize that).
Sergio: This is bad. I used to get so slaughtered that sometimes I'm making mistakes like that, but this isn't helpful at all. Some people say you shouldn't drink at all when out on the pull. That's cool. A lot of those guys could probably whip my arse in a club and get more girls and get hotter girls than I can. I don't see a problem with drinking, but I do see a problem where you drink so much you're losing control. I always want to be in control. I might slur my words, but I still know what I'm saying and doing. Obviously you KNEW what you were doing, just going up to the girl you had just closed but drink had caused your brain to become a little sloppy and lazy. Not good.
> Chrisonic: An AFC was hitting on her (HB10) and she was laughing, so I became angry and very aggressive (thinking HB10 was the girl I had already kissed).
Sergio: OK this is where I start to get pissed off on my own. I don't know but from this entire account you sound like the guy I wouldn't want to go out for a night on the town with. I hate aggressive drunks. Some guy was talking to her? Shit man, sort him out straight away! Oh but it gets worse.... she was laughing? I'm not even 20 so I don't wanna sound like an old man dishing out advice from my days in World War Two or anything but lose the aggression. Not only is it not cool, it gets you into trouble.
> Chrisonic: I tapped the AFC's shoulder and said to him: Me: Hey man, this is my girl. Don't bother her. AFC: Ok. I was just talking to her... So I bypassed the AFC and went to the girl in a very aggressive-ultra confident way and with an angry look in my face (don't forget I WAS NOT pretending I was angry. I was, in fact, angry!):
Sergio: If you were sober would you react this way? Or had you drunk so much you had lost control? I don't wanna go on and on about the perils of drinking - fuck I like to drink like a motherfucker! I'm from Europe where we've been drinking with our family since we're 5 -- I just don't like it when I lose control. So I don't drink so much I lose control. If you would be like that when sober (and remember what happened -- you left a girl to go to the loo and when you came back she was talking to a..... GUY!) then I feel sorry for you. You'll get yourself into a hell of a lot of fights. You might work out, you might be able to get out of them no problem, but personally I prefer to avoid them all together.
> Chrisonic: Me: What are you thinking!? You can't do that to me, cause I'll kick your butt if you try!
Sergio: Nice communication skills.
> Chrisonic: HB10: (looking puzzled but with a little smile in her face) Are you crazy? What did you say to the guy (the AFC)I was talking to?
Sergio: OK you talk a lot about this smile of hers. I don't want to jump to any conclusions (he says before he quickly jumps to a conclusion) but was this a "Hey, this guy is sooooo funny smile!" or was it a nervous "This guy is fucking weird.... what the fuck is he going to do to me?" Although if you're drunk you probably can't notice the difference.
> Chrisonic: Me: Yeah, I am crazy, so what!? (I think at this moment I put my 2 hands on the wall, so she couldn't go away, if she wanted.) That's not the way things are if you are with me!!
Sergio: Me Tarzan, you Jane.
Deadeye said at another point in Cliff's e-mail: > Deadeye: She informs us she's broken up with bf after he became upset over the fact that she had 3 different kinds of soap, and shoved her against the wall to make his point (where do women find these morons?).
Sergio: He said it -- not me!
> Chrisonic: HB10: (still with a smile in her face) Are you crazy? Me: I am crazy, and you won't get out of here without kissing me! No way! (I tried to kiss, she turned her face. Notice that at this point I'm still thinking she is the same girl I kiss closed before!)
Sergio: Notice that at this point you are a drunk "moron" sexually harassing someone. She's turning away as you try and kiss? So you try again?
> Chrisonic: HB10: (she simulated a reaction pushing one of my arms, but it was obvious she didn't want to get rid of me, cause she was still with that smile on her face)
Sergio: What are you doing? "She simulated a reaction pushing one of my arms." Well it's good that in your drunken state WHERE YOU DON'T RECOGNIZE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GIRL YOU JUST KISS CLOSED AND ANOTHER GIRL that you can still tell the difference between a girl that's just pretending to be scared and one that actually is. I can imagine you telling the cops later 'She wanted it really, she was just messing!'
> Chrisonic: Me: I am telling you, you won't get out of here without kissing me! (I tried to kiss her again, she turned her face a little bit, but I reached the side of her mouth. She had the same smile, still. I'm still thinking she is the girl I kiss closed before! I thought that her resistance was BS/test)
Sergio: OK, let's say it was the girl you had kiss closed before. Let's say you had chased off a suitor hitting on YOUR girl. I still wouldn't be too comfortable about this BS Test. What's she sorting her guys for -- rapists?
> Chrisonic: Me: (I say something along the same lines, hug her tight and tongue her this time.) When I looked down to her body I realized she wasn't the same girl and instead a super HB10. I thought to myself: What the fucking heck!!
Sergio: Was this before or after puking up all over her?
> Chrisonic: I couldn't believe I had just kiss closed an HB 10 in less than 5 minutes!!! My friend couldn't belive it also. He saw me kissing this girl that every guy in the club wanted and sort of froze.
Sergio: Hey man, I've got a great technique! I've got one where you can fuck
close a HB10 in less than 5 minutes! You just get a long piece of rope and an
iron bar and hang around a deserted parking lot late at night...
anyone on list can ask if they want further details!
> Chrisonic: That happened in 1999. Back then I was a complete AFC (I still am kind of an AFC, but I'm trying hard to get out of AFCness). Now I am trying to figure out how to systemize this kiss close and repeat this performance.
Sergio: OK in all seriousness man. I don't know if I've pissed you off or anything,
I don't really think you're a complete moron or anything. I don't mean to offend
I'm just trying to look out for you. Good luck getting out of AFCness. I don't
pretend to be an expert. A lot of the time I still use AFC techniques. The biggest
things I've learned from all this online seduction techniques and SS is a.)
Attitude. That will take you sooooooo far on it's own. b.) when talking elicit
positive states. Talk about how it feels for great stuff to happen. I don't
worry too much about binds and anchoring, because if I'm there and she's feeling
great it will be anchored to me anyway. I've tried some "aggressive"
moves. Pulling girls over to me in clubs, I've pinched arses as they walk past
and come up right behind them for a grind and all that shit. I don't do it so
much now. I don't like the percentages. The amount of people that get pissed
off -- and not just the girls! There are sluts this will work with. There are
sluts who if you go up and squeeze their titties in a club WITHOUT SAYING ANYTHING
if they don't find you too unattractive they will make out, possibly screw with
you. And they are sluts. That doesn't really bother me. I don't mind making
out with sluts too much occasionally. But a lot of other girls.... and I am
primarily talking about youngish girls18-25 here it may well backfire. I've
never got in serious trouble. Just dirty looks and "Fuck offs!" and
occasionally some boyfriend/protector wanting trouble. In fact, I tell a lie
when I say I don't do it so much now, I don't do it at all now! The only arses
I squeeze in clubs are those belonging to girls I know, who might do an offended
face but squeeze mine twice at first if I'm walking past them at college! But
that's enough of my life story. You can look into this "approach"
more. You can get down a technique, I'll help you out buddy. If you want to
do it probably every time you don't wanna be that drunk, but you wanna seem
drunk, so pour a pint of beer down your top and get some booze on your breathe.
Find a girl being "talked to" by an AFC...
only one who looks weaker than you, (the HB and the AFC that is!) and go up
and do your thing. Let us
know how it goes. Try it 20 times and see if it gets you 20 kiss closes or 20
years! It's not really my cup of tea.
> Chrisonic: I think It will only work with HB 8, 9, 10 or the ones who like male aggression.
Sergio: Yeah, probably. Can you tell that though? Can you tell she's not the girl who knows the bouncers and gets all finicky about anybody even thinking about touching her? Dangerous approach. I see links with the anchoring video people have been talking about, pressurizing people into what they don't wanna do. I prefer to covertly persuade people it's something they do wanna do. Where she will think it's her idea. I don't wanna force myself on girls.
> Chrisonic: What do you think? Perhaps Nightlight9 has similar approaches...
Sergio: I don't wanna comment for Nightlight9 but his approaches seem to me...... less aggressive. You can tell if someone's not open to them straight away. In yours, even if they're there screaming "LET ME OUT YOU CREEP!" you carry on with your Stanley Kowalski impression and don't let them go. Good luck with your ascent from AFCness and keep us posted on other novel ideas. This sorta thing happens in clubs alot and it's good to discuss. I mean jeez, everyone might think it's a cool idea! Sorry if it sounded like I was biting your head off but I'd tread very, very carefully using techniques like that.
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
B.L.:
> Mark B: Better to say "I want to make love to YOU" rather than
"I love to fuck." Saying you just want to fuck makes it seem that
you want to use her as a piece of meat. Many guys think they are appealing to
her by being "open" to sex when in fact they turn her off. I have
never had a woman slap me, run away or otherwise turn away when I told her I
wanted to make love to her. In fact, after indicating my sexual interest in
her, women tend to come close and develop a greater contact with me. To me,
this seems to be the ultimate compliment to woman as long as the focus is on
YOU MAKING LOVE TO HER, not just making love or fucking in general. Subtle but
important
B.L.: This is great stuff. I've actually tried this before, and while I didn't
get to fuck this girl, she totally seemed to get into me. She didn't react badly
at all.
She basically just said, "Really? Why is that?" No slap, no running
away...It was a pure 100% positive result. She opened up to me after that. I
didn't even realize the value in it until now. What I want to know is when do
you usually use this? It seems to me to be too strong for an opener, but maybe
quite soon after starting conversation? Do you use this at a certain point in
your pick up? What about on younger, more immature girls, have you had the same
results with them?
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
PRODUCTS AND LINKS (There's some NEW STUFF in here, and I will try and put something new in here as often as possible):
For those of you who are just reading about this for the first time, I decided a couple of emails ago to add links to these emails. The idea would be to get enough money in to hire someone to take over the administrative work (and also to buy things which would improve this list, such as proper mailing list software) for this list. If you were going to buy the product anyway, just use the link that appears below and you are helping to keep this list going at no extra cost to anyone.
NON SEDUCTION-RELATED SITES
One of the more useful links I have set up is to amazon.com -- I know I buy
a lot from them and I am sure that many of you also do. So I arranged a link
with them and you can now buy from them and help out this email newsletter at
the same time. If anyone has any other suggestions of sites that would be a
good one for me to set up a link to, please let me know.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/nositeihaveap-20 For those in
the U.K., this should work: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=cliffslist-21&site=amazon
Here's a way for you to accept credit cards on your site today: http://zzz.clickbank.net/r/?cliffslist
RECOMMENDED LIST
DOUBLE YOUR DATING One of the best places for you to start your journey on becoming
more successful with women would be to get David DeAngelo's Double Your Dating
e-book. David (who posts here under the name "Sisonpyh" -- which is
"hypnosis" spelled backwards) is a good friend that I have known for
several years now that I originally met through one of Ross's Speed Seduction
seminars. His posts here have been among the most outstanding contributions
I have had over the years and his book (and the free bonuses) is highly recommended.
http://www.doubleyourdating.com/cl/ HOW TO SUCCEED WITH WOMEN Ron Louis and
David Copeland have been reading these emails for awhile and recently sent me
their Mastery Program Tape series which I have finished listening to. It has
some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you
can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those
who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent
basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For
those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set
of tapes.
http://www.howtosucceedwithwomen.com/cgi-bin/at.cgi?a=169700 SEVEN MAGIC WORDS
Comments on this product from Tony B.:
I thought I might drop you a quick line regarding some of the more popular sites
that have been seen within this "seduction community." After seeing
several terrible reviews and "flames" from alt.seduction.fast, I decided
to make a decision for myself based upon my own ideas of what could be offered
on the Seven Magic Words product and after several months of reading great novels
about how to attract women and multiple posts about how women are most attracted
to men, I STILL found the site to be beneficial. After joining the site, I was
happy to learn all the new techniques that I have never seen on any list and
that alone made it worth the money. I am not typically the type of person that
spends money on a site especially a seduction site, I would rather pay for some
audio or video, but the information that was offered was different and unequal
to anything I have seen in the past. At any rate, I know you wanted a review..
and I have actually come to know the owner, and he puts more attention in his
members area than I would expect to see from any other site.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/smackudown DATING INSIDER Not only does
this next site give you an unconditional 1 year no risk money back guarantee,
but it stands alone and it's program is unmatched. Right now they're doing a
Free Trial period, and I'd take advantage of this while you can. The site reads
"Learn the proven secrets for meeting, attracting, and seducing women.
From A - Z, you'll discover the most advanced techniques for picking up women
ever developed." Check out their Free Trial (before it ends) and you'll
see why their members like this program so much. Click on
http://www.dating-insider.com/international/welcome.html.
How to Lay Girls Guide The ultimate SEDUCTION SECRETS database: http://www.layguide.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=Cliffslist
NEW RECOMMENDATIONS:
I have finished reading The Sexual Key and it is one of the best works I have
read about understanding the language that women respond to. I give this a strong
recommendation and the price is right, too. The book, and/or its companion book,
Gut Instinct (which I will be reviewing) can be downloaded off the net for $39.97
each or $49.97 for both.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist.sexualkey
THE UNKNOWN! (Not reviewed)
HYPNO-TECH Here's another one which I think has been reviewed here in the past
but I haven't gone through the old emails to check. "Do You Want To Know
A Simple, Two Minute Hypnotic Technique That Lets YOU Secretly Put Any Woman
Into An Instant Trance And Persuades Her To Ask YOU Out?
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/hypnotech ADVANCED MACKING Advanced Macking
has one of the most enticing websites. An updated review would also be welcome.
http://www.advancedmacking.com
This one also looked pretty interesting. The link for more information on breakups
and loving-styles is http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/Tigress Success Secrets
Our free newsletter reveals it all Money and Personal Finance secrets; Business
& Marketing secrets; Health, Fitness, and Weight-Loss advice; Self Defense
secrets; Memory Improvement tips; Smart Advice on Flirting, Dating, Sex, and
Relationships; Personal Development tips; Communication and Negotiation tips;
Tax Secrets & Loopholes!
Investment and Stock Market tips; and Much More http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/prodeskcom
The Ultimate Guide to Powerful Relationships is only $8.95 and looks very interesting.
Comments, please. http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades Here's a new
one I found which needs to be reviewed: "Guys! Get More Pussy with our
Adult Personals Inside Secrets Guide! Plus! Free Survey Results of Women Using
Personals for Sex The Guide contains the following Inside Secrets Replying to
ads - how to get noticed and get a date for hot sex.
Placing ads - how to beat the competition and get lots of replies How to handle
follow up communication to keep her interested. Examples of replies that worked
on us. You can just copy and paste these into your ads or replies. Saves you
time and increases your chances! A directory of the best websites for meeting
hot women! Sick of chicks who are only into cybersex and nothing else! The Guide
contains a list of the best adult personals sites."
http://secure.ibill.com/cgi-win/ccard/rscookie.exe?RevShareID=9804000000274976&
returnto=http://www.mysexinfo.com
Secrets of Power Persuasion! A course by Jian Wang to teach you how to write
hypnotic language to make others obey your command.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/mrchange (if this doesn't work, try this:
http://www.mrchange.com/?hop=cliffslist.mrchange, but both worked for me) Arte's
New Sex Video is kind of interesting. He shows a lot about playing with a woman's
g spot (which he demonstrates on his comely girlfriend - but I could have done
without seeing your dick, Arte). I will do a more extensive review after I have
watched it again more carefully: http://amos.simonweb.com/loveebook/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=lrec
FREE PLUGS
The following are all recommended but clicking on the links and buying from
them doesn't send any money back here (it is also recommended that the sponsors
of these sites consider setting this up -- from the little experience I have
had since I started the commercial section a couple of weeks ago, I think you
are missing a lot of business by not doing this) http://www.speed-seduction.com/
- The # 1 source; read the free newsletters & get the basic course.
http://www.trucor.com/ - Major Mark's site, the place to learn hypnosis and
about married women
http://www.essential-skills.com/ - learn anchoring, tonality, rapport, goal
getting, etc.
http://www.davidshade.com/ Give women incredible pleasure get David Shade's
Manual
http://www.fastseduction.com/ - great resource, a must visit http://www.sosuave.com/
- lots of free materials, many good ideas and articles http://www.mindcontrolmanual.com/
- seduce men and women through the power of the mind
http://www.oscarbruce.com/ - All his books deal with perusasion, manipulation
and a mild form of seduction. Books like School for Scoundrels focus on getting
your way with people and getting them to see things your way.
http://www.pickupguide.com - Maniac High's PUA Archive http://www.seductionnow.com
- This site has a lot of links and it contains pretty much all that an aspiring
PUA needs to know.
Get on Mystery's Lounge - send him an email at [email protected] (note
this new email address) with REQUEST MEMBERSHIP in the subject line.
Include your REAL name, your experience, background in the PUA, some online
PUA's who can vouch for you (references), and a real pic of yourself. If you
do not wish to give this REAL information, don't join. Only the PRO's are in
there anyways - we discuss lots of stuff but it's the REAL pix of our conquests
and the fact that we don't HIDE who we are to each other that makes it appealing.
MANY of the members Mystery has personally sarged with.
The rule is simple don't fuck up anyone's game. If you can abide by that and
have a track record for contributing, then that's basically good as gold. Pix
are a requirement, however. The Lounge is in many ways an EXTENSION of Cliff's
List and is not an alternative. You don't have to be a PRO, but you MUST play
the game. If you are only WANTING to ONE DAY chase skirts, please don't bother
joining.
http://www.mysterymethod.com/ - Mystery offers MM in-field training with his
3 day workshop, Sex Magic in several cities. Learn how to put women under your
spell by Mystery himself. Need to learn how to approach groups of people and
have solid material to fill the silence? Click now for more info & to sign
up.
Playerware which is designed specifically for men who like to date and interact
with a large number of women. The program is essentially an electronic chick
organizer. It contains features such as contact management, photo storage, an
electronic journal, a sophisticated rating and comparison system, date/interaction
tracking, as well as other unique features. Visit the site and you can get a
40 day free trial. Full registration is currently only
$15. http://www.playerware.com/default.asp?refid=10
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
New Links to be explored (WE NEED THESE REVIEWED!): 1) The website reads as
follows and we need someone's review of this: "Impress everybody! Make
your life happen on purpose! Matthew Whiting an English and Psychology graduate
from Canterbury University and later a graduate of The National Academy of Performing
Arts, has created this revolutionary step-by-step training system which will
give you the means to becoming irresistibly attractive. Hence enabling you to
gain the relationship and life that you want. Whether it is on stage or in real
life we all know the "x" factor when we see it! But can we produce
our own individual "x factor"? In this book Matthew Whiting's radical
new approach to "being irresistibly attractive" will show you how
to: Master these personal strategies to become more Charismatic: · Learn
how to be master of your own intention · Taking action
· Being a successful leader
· Learning confidence
· ...and a lot more...
Master these personal strategies for more Passion: · How to be funny
· Leaving a lasting impression
· How to utilize the power of speech
· Extraordinary kissing
· Flirting - a delightful, innocent, and respectful way to play with
each other!
· ...and a lot more...(18 Chapters in total!) This book is jam-packed
with tonnes of information, (185 A4-size pages). It is written in a tongue-in-cheek
manner which is easy to follow, and you are sure to enjoy. Once you experience
the marvelous changes that Matthew Whiting enables you to make, you can shape
your relationships and other life circumstances exactly as you'd like them to
be." http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades 2) How to create sexual
chemistry! This one looks interesting -- we need a review!
http://www.attractwomennow.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi/Cliffslist 3)
Welcome to CheekyCherry.co.uk, home of what has been called the bible of 'attracting
women, keeping them and sleeping with them'.
http://www.cheekycherry.co.uk/Main_categories/seduction_and_dating/dating_guide.html
4) Courses for women to seduce men!
http://www.ihrt.co.uk/seductionsystems/text%20gals.htm 5) Guys Guide to Girls
- A guide to relationships. How to overcome shyness and understand your partner...
http://www.philipov.com/guys1.htm 6) Wally's Seduction Tips for Desperate Bachelors
http://www.wallyandmurk.com/wally/sedution/Wallymag.html 7) Help with seduction
- for women who want to seduce men.
http://www.seducehim.com/
8) The website reads as follows and we need someone's review of this: "Ladies!
Never date a stranger unless you've checked him out first!
Fortunately, a basic background check is an easy thing to do, via the telephone
and the Internet. In just a matter of minutes, you can find out a great deal
on your own about any potential date (or even your fiance' or husband) using
the simple, free background check techniques described in our new "how-to"
manual.
CHECK HIM OUT FIRST! "Check Him Out! - The American Woman's Guide to Background
Investigations" guides you through the entire background check process
using clear, nontechnical language. You'll be amazed to learn that there's a
lot that can be done just by using the telephone intelligently!
Without even touching a computer, you can usually verify someone's name, address,
age, occupation, and even marital status over the telephone if you know which
government public records office to call and what information to ask for. "Check
Him Out!" is written for you -- the American woman with no knowledge of
public records and background checks, but with a need to do some quick basic
checking. It's easy to follow, and while it won't make you a seasoned "gumshoe,"
it will make you quite knowledgeable about the subject and will teach you all
you need to know to conduct a thorough basic background check on your own --
plus, it will show you where and how to get competent, reasonably priced help
if you later decide you want a more complex, in-depth background check done.
All this for $11.95 is hard to beat!" http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/washres
9) For those of you interested in being a bigger man, check out: http://www.angelfire.com/amiga/yourown/bigdickie.htm
10)What Every Man Should Know About Women! Learn the secrets to getting more
dates
than you thought were possible in the year 2001. What works, and what doesn't
work. How to spend less money and less time, to meet more women, and get more
dates. Self-Improvement skills for single men is what this material is all about!
Don't waste your time and money, get the facts on how to find Love efficiently
and effectively! Tired of not getting Lucky? Luck is when preparation meets
opportunity.
These Articles are guaranteed to teach you how to get and stay prepared, and
how to use the Internet to find more dates than you thought possible.
The information in these Articles will produce Ten Times the results of any
professional dating service. This material includes everything you need to get
own track. You need not purchase any other books. Our Total price for everything
is only $19.95 with a full
refund guarantee, if not 200% satisfied that this material will pay for itself
many
times over. http://www.howmengetdates.com/ 11) A long time subscriber to these
emails, Kenrick Cleveland was one of Ross Jeffries first teachers. These days
he is well known as the author of Max Persuasion, a course designed to help
people in all their pursuits in life that require the ability to persuade. I
have seen many reviews highly recommending his products but we could use one
for this list in relation to seduction. You can check it out
at:
http://www.maxpersuasion.com/cgi-bin/content/clickthru.cgi?content=Cliff604
What you should do is click on this link and then sign up for his free email
Influence Tip newsletters.
12) Suspect your spouse of cheating on you? Check this out http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/spouse1
13) Girl Patao: Learn how to talk to gals and get them wet DURING the conversation.
How to turn a 15 minute chitchat into a hot one-night stand.
How to avoid creating the wrong chemistry most men screw up with.
How to set-up the situation so that THEY will invite you over to their pad for
fun!
Improve your style, learn what to wear and where to go where women outnumber
men!
How to pin-point women that want to get into a one-night stand.
This is an online book also, focused on one night stands.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?CliffsList/devang1 14) Sex, Truths, Myths & Lies:
How to get magical responses - even standing ovations... everytime you make
love! Discover the Secrets Behind Great Sex...and turn your bed into more than
just a place to sleep! Discover: How to set off "continuous" orgasms
in a woman and in a man! How to enjoy the extreme pleasure derived from G-Spot
stimulation (both men and women). How and where to touch a woman to set her
"off" like a firecracker! How and where to touch a man to fill him
with uncontrollable passion and desire!
How to rekindle the hot passion of a relationship gone sexless. How to gain
the love and devotion of any man or woman. How to seduce the man or woman of
your dreams. How to guide your fingers to the ultimate "hot spots"
on your lover's body. $39 at http://hop.clickbank.net/?CliffsList/jmareports
15) 101 AMAZING SEX SECRETS
The Secrets of Meeting, Dating & Seducing Women Where To Meet Women
What Women Look For in a Man
Proper Appearance and Grooming
Tips To Men From Women On the First Approach Flirting Tips That Will Help You
Score
How to Read Her Signals.
Meeting Women Online Your Best Bet!
The Internet’s Best Online Personals
Where To Go on Dates
20 Dating Rules For Men
A Little Erotic Talk
II. 101 steps to having a good relationship
50 Most Romantic Things To Do For Your Love One
The meaning of Flowers and how to pick one III. The Secrets of Amazing Foreplay
How To Kiss Like a Pro
How To French Kiss
Male and Female Erogenous Zones
How To Give an Erotic Massage
Exploring Her Nipples
Using Your Hand on Her
Finding Her Elusive G-Spot
Cunnilingus: Do It Right Or Don’t Do It At All!
Helpful Clit Tips
Finger Techniques That She'll LOVE!
All About Analingus
Foreplay Do’s and Don’t’s
IV. The Secrets of Great Sex
Sexual Positions
Thrusting Techniques To Make Her Scream!
15 Things You Should NEVER Do in Bed!
5 Surefire Ways to Make Her Orgasm
Triple Her Orgasms!
Initiating Anal Sex
Top 15 Fantasies to share with your partner V. The Secrets of Penis Power &
Sexual Stamina Introduction to PC (Kegel) Exercises
PC (Kegel) Exercises
End Premature Ejaculation
More Ways To Last Longer In Bed
How To Be a Multi-Orgasmic Male
Increase Your Ejaculation (Cum Like a Porn Star) Improve the Flavor of Your
Semen
Overcoming Erection Problems
All About Viagra.
VII. The Secrets of Achieving Sexual Power Mastering Self-Confidence
$27.95 at http://hop.clickbank.net/?CliffsList/digitsoft
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
</x-flowed>
---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 02/01/02