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Ross:
(Commenting on: " I'm dumbfounded how people advise the shy to INTELLECTUALIZE
their fears. We KNOW we are safe when looking out of the window of a tall building
(well, RELATIVELY safe, but that's another story) though we STILL feel the fear.
It will NOT go away just by TALKING to the person. It will NOT go away just
my giving INTELLECTUALIZED REASONS why it's safe."):
I have never advocated "intellectualizing" away fears. I have shown
people, MENTALLY, how to eliminate life-long phobias in under 10 minutes, and
years later, the changes have held.
No, they don't "reason" their way out of it, but phobias have an internal
mental structure that can be taken apart and rendered null using visualization
and some other things.
(Commenting on: "Well, for one thing, we know what WON'T help so we can save the step. There is ONE way that works 100% of the time: REPETITION."):
That is demonstrably untrue, especially in the area you are talking about.
Unreasonable fears and phobias, which are much stronger, can and are and have
been addressed successfully with hypnosis from many, many years, and more recently,
with NLP. The hypnosis work is clinically proven fact, not speculation.
You can read any number of books by Ernst Rossi, Stephen Lankton, Stephen Gilligan.
You can also get scientifically written books on clinical applications of medical
hypnosis in psychiatry, written by MD's. (Rossi was an MD).
What you can say, Mys, is that the only thing that worked for YOU was repetition.
To assign the limits of YOUR experience to the entire world is not reflective
of other people's experiences and not open minded.
(Commenting on: "You have to get EXPERIENCE. So MUCH experience (try 48 approaches a week for 6 months - seriously) that by the end of your TRAINING, you'll be like me: able to approach a group of people and actually be a cool guy. Not all locked up in your own fear. So ... we now KNOW that repetition is the answer ... and we get experience by getting out there and TRYING. So there is no longer anything more to INTELLECTUALIZE."):
I am at complete loss to understand your INSISTING that it is either/or. You
either get experience OR use mental techniques to help you.
Surely, handling women is such a large challenge, a smart guy ought to use what
Navy Seals call "advantage stacking"; stack every advantage you can
in your favor to take down the target.
It is lunacy not to advocate using every possible tool to successfully tackle
this problem; we need mental training AND practice in the real world.
Either you are defending your limits or you are saying things you don't believe
to put forward a marketing strategy, or you have a world view that says if it
isn't painfully hard, it CAN'T BE REAL.
(Commenting on: "...it's thing to ACT like you know what you are doing, but it's no replacement for actually KNOWING. Wanna get confident flying a plane?"):
You are mistaking confidence with COMPETENCE and they are NOT the same.
(Commenting on: "Reading a book and then acting brave and listening to hypnotists TALK you into confidence is a crock of shit. And this comes from a guy who DOES HYPNOSIS."):
If you can't or haven't used hypnosis to cure a life-long phobia, you don't know what you are doing or are only interested in learning hypnosis as a parlor trick to bang chicks (which I don't knock, but don't purport to lecture the rest of us on its limits and uses!)
(Commenting on: "A person is gonna SIT DOWN and CHANGE? Please! The WOMEN
problem is far too important to mess around with TRICKING your brain to FEEL
confident. Burn the shit out of the feeling with REPETITION. I DID!
And if I could do it, so can you. I was SUPER SHY! Seriously. "DECIDE"
or ... don't you want the lifestyle BAD ENOUGH?"):
You did it the hard way. Therefore, the hard way is the ONLY way that can work for EVERYONE! Something is wrong with your logic. You are NOT the center of reality, nor are your limits or abilities. One needs mental change AND life experience. Why you insist they MUST be an either/or thing is beyond me. You are being dishonest with yourself and with the rest of us. USE BOTH!
(Commenting on: "Which CONFIDENCE do you think is more USEFUL? A confidence WITHOUT competence or MY CONFIDENCE?"):
Who said it must be either or? Why not use BOTH? Show me the law of physics or logic that says it can't be BOTH that prove useful? Or are you being irrational as a believer in Astrology defending THEIR "faith"? Or a Christian bible banger saying their is only ONE way to God? (pussy?)
(Commenting on: "But the guys who are really good at the game aren't good because they hypnotized the fear out of their head (sorry, it's bullshit, gentlemen). They are good because they FOUGHT the fear. They had it in them to keep FIGHTING because the rewards were worth it. And then looking back they realized, they won the war because of hundreds of little daily battles."):
Oh really? I have more than few students who got VERY good at it and the mental
work helped them ENORMOUSLY along with practice in the field. BOTH.
Not either/or.
(Commenting on: "But maybe you should ask yourself a question: if it's too good to be true, is it?"):
"True" according to WHOSE definition of what can be "true"
or "possible"?
I have found that those who say "too good to be true" are those who
are deeply investing in believing life and the world HAVE to be about painful,
terrible struggles and thus are too rigid and too dumb to see brighter, easier
solutions. Or their ego says, "If ***I**** didn't find the solution, NO
ONE ELSE EVER COULD SO THEIR CAN NEVER BE ONE....EVER! I AM THE WORLD'S BEST
AND BRIGHTEST! NO DISCOVERY COMMETH TO THE WORLD EXCEPT THRU ME!" What
is "true" or "possible" depends on what technology you have
at your fingertips, Mys.
To a primitive savage, AIR CONDITIONING and INDOOR PLUMBING are "too good
to be true". So...are you going to give YOURS up?
(Commenting on: "See? She is qualifying you before you've had a chance to convey the 5 characteristics of an alphamale. Sorry, dude, but your methods are AFC. You really gotta see the PRO's like Craig or Sin work their magic. You'd be blown away."):
I met Sin last week. Sin saw ME do some stuff that opened his eyes..so did
your buddy Chris/Neal. Stop assuming you know everything. You don't.
Is it too good to be true that I got a girl hot and bothered in under 5 minutes
asking her TWO simple questions without even putting a finger on her? AND did
the same thing to the hostess, telling her what I was doing while I did it?
TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE? How dare YOU hold yourself out as the final authority on
"truth"...you sound like my Bible Banging Brothers, Alan and Steve...
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NightLight9:
(Commenting on: "Mystery: I'm saying it CONVEYS cowardness - a hottie all
alone gets some
guy approaching ... it's not a situation that is as rewarding as a hottie in
a 3set [snip] Given a choice of meeting a girl alone on the street or in a cafe
is NOT as good as meeting a girl in a 3set in a street or cafe."):
NightLight9 comments. I love the way your frame makes gives you such an incredibly impoverished view of things. You've tuned your game to a certain scenario and all you can see is that scenario... When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
(Commenting on: "Mystery: The idea of asking a girl if they saw one of
your friends is OLD.
Not just old I mean. I mean, it's NORMAL. It happens a lot. It's not SPECIAL.
If
it works, yeah, but ... it's just not something I'd put into my repertoire."):
You're not gettting this. It's not just asking about one of your friends. It's the fake French accent and the familiar way you do it. It creates curiosity and conveys humor. It's also not suggested as a standard opener in a bar at 10:00. It's for the end of night when you are looking to hook up and just have fun. These are already going to be low percentage approaches. It can get you to some kiss closes and from there who knows.
(Commenting on: "Mystery comments further: I don't like it. It's ... bland.
The convo
thread you initiate doesn't easily continue into an interesting topic.
Remember, there are only TWO convo threads that women respond well to: RELATIONSHIP
TALK (SEX) and TALK
ABOUT THE UNKNOWN (MAGIC). Hence ... SEX MAGIC."):
Nice hammer... You know how many times I've gotten laid by talking about dogs? (You can make the argument that this is a relationship (woman to dog), but it's certainly not sex... ...I hope).
(Commenting on: "Mystery: Sex talk doesn't mean actual "wanna fuck?"
talk but rather the
"my best friend was having sex with his girlfriend when ...". and
Magic talk doesn't mean, "pick a card, any card" but rather "Do
you think spells work?" or "Do you think you
possess ESP?" A good opener so you can fall into these convo threads would
be good. The whole point of the opener is to start in on a group and convey
that you approached for the CHAT and nothing more. "Looks like the party's
over here. : ) I'm curious, have you seen the movie Poltergeist? Do you think
it was based on reality or all fiction?" You've come to entertain yourself.
Not to pickup the girl. Of course, the "you look like ...
shopping experts" is sorta like "You know Thomas?" but it's better."):
Some how I don't think "you look like shopping experts" is going to pull at 3:00AM on 6th Ave. or Buckhead, etc. (unless she's already into you). If this works for you, let us know, and I'll give it a try. That's the difference between me. If someone has an idea that they said worked for them, I'll try to use it and see if I can meet or beat their results. If I can't see how it can work, I'll ask questions until I understand what the concept is and how it works.
(Commenting on: "Mystery: "It leads into open ended questions. I
mean, once she says,
"Thomas? Uh, no." Where do you really go from there?"):
If she says it that, generally it means you fucked up the delivery. This is
field tested as was presented as such with its known limitations (e.g.
obstacles). I have kiss closed chicks with this. I have not fuck closed with
this. I think it could lead to very quick fuck closes in what are already generally
a low percentage approach.
(Commenting on: "Mystery: Anything you say from there will reveal that
you are into them
because why else would you be there? You can't negate that with a neg right
there and then. If you are looking for Thomas, and the girl was unable to help,
you would leave and continue to look for Thomas, right?"):
No, that's not what's going on in the scene. People are out wandering around
buying Pizza and having fun and talking. You don't come and go "Oh my God
have you seen Thomas" and wander down the street like Brando looking for
"Stella!" It's pretty clear that you aren't looking at the nuances
of this or what it's aimed at - you just decided that you don't like it. That's
fine, but
I encourage others who find themselves in late night towns where the bars are
closing and people are congregating in the streets a bit to try it (and report
back about it and other techniques you find). This isn't an end all be all opener.
There are times when the 15 minute opener is no good, that doesn't mean it's
no good in general.
(Commenting on: "Mystery: You wouldn't shift the chat to anything else
that keeps you from
finding Thomas, right? Like, "So, come here often?"):
I had no problem shifting the conversation simply by commenting on some ongoing reality. Or they would do it for me because they were laughing and curious.
(Commenting on: "Mystery: ANYTHING after the Thomas opener and you've
conveyed interest by STAYING there. Nope, don't like it. Of course, it's better
than shit in the pants,
right? This opener reminds me of, "Excuse me, do you have the time?"
After that, where do you go? It's like you need to have another opener right
after that. So then why have the WHAT TIME IS IT opener in the first place?
WHAT TIME IS IT is not an opener. It's a Pick Up line. And, therefore ...
so is THOMAS. Boy, can I rant."):
Great logic :-) Well, if going up to girls and saying "do you have the time?" leads directly to kiss closes, then I guess that would be a pretty good opener in my book and, therefore... so is THOMAS.
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Dwacon (Vom feuer schmeckt es besser http://www.dwacon.com/): (Commenting on what Ross said about "Bounced Czech"): Let us stop, right here. One reason I am against "dates" in general (not a hard and fast always rule, but in general) is that it triggers all of her old ideas, limits, emotions, behaviors and beliefs wrapped around her previous experiences."):
It pays to consult the experts. Yes... I shudda seen that one coming...
yes, you are correct. It was also obvious that she was matrimonial minded...
given the series of questions she kept asking. Most I gave an SS spin in responding...
but she is obviously husband (or, maybe green card) hunting. She actually said
to me in the gym her goal was to "come to USA and marry foreign man."
My goal was to be Santa and slide a gift into her stocking. Harrrr! So in retrospect...
I prolly put on the deerskin coat, the antler hat, and then wandered in the
middle of the field of hunters.
BANG BANG! Good thing the bullets bounce off... but I need to get that RJ "Matrix"
thing going where I stop the bullets in mid-air. LOL!!!
(Commenting on: "So it is hard to get a "clean slate" and get
new responses from someone
that aren't contaminated with a lot of crap."):
I was trying that with the connection and time-distortion patterns... to lead her out of this mental recursive loop she was in and get her into a desirable state. Good practice, nonetheless...
(Commenting on: ""YOU'RE A DISTRUSTER AND ACCUSER!"... that is a good proper response. Her frame is "Prove yourself to me! Prove you are harmless and will not hurt me!""):
I'll file that in the memory banks for future reference. I mentally bandied about the idea of using another approach.. like when a chyck says, "You're messing with my mind" and the response is "That's my job..." and words to that end. Something like, "You need to be seduced by me" but with more of a spin... y'know?
(Commenting on: ""Do you always filter people through what you already know without even giving them a chance to show you who they REALLY are?""):
I plan to use that tonight (if necessary, natch) with this older woman I'm going to have drinks with. I figure she has more skeletons in her closet than Brooklyn has roaches... so it will prolly be necessary for her to close off her mind and begin to think things differently. ;^D
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Ciz:
(Commenting on: "back at tonight as being the start of it all. Her reply,
"Why do you try to
sell yourself so hard?" D-OHH !!! Obviously, my SS is backfiring. Or maybe
her brain"):
Yeah, did you ever notice how all the good porn is made in the Czech Republic
these days??? : )
Similarly to you, I have this same problem when I go hard core SS. The chicks,
if they are not super hot, are wondering why such an all out approach is being
made on them. I find SS works better on the super hot chicks, the girls who
know they are 10's because at least it's better than being an AFC and supplicating
like the other guys do. But most guys don't supplicate with a 7. And it's like
there is some incongruency in a guy with such looks or skills going after them
so hard. The old adage, if it's too good to be true, it probably is. It can
come across as being too, slick, too Clintonesque. Maybe they were sold a shiny
car with a great warranty and it turned out to be a lemon.
Ross no doubt has the answer to this. But I try just being even more covert
about it. Keeping the patterns short and sticking to embedded commands and getting
them visualizing and imagining in games or a "I heard from a friend,"
or, "I saw on TV," or, "this happened at a party..." Stock
patterns can sound canned to a skeptical girl. Better to take the theme and
weave the theme into the current conversation. I think you can really "put
on" the super hot chicks, that is if you can reach them and disarm their
bitch shield. But girls without a bitch shield or who are open about sex, like
European chicks (God bless the King for kicking out the Puritans -- to bad they
ended up in America though) sometimes full-on SS can slow you down. Kino and
funny but cocky seems to work best if the chick is intrinsically attracted to
you. So what if a chick is not a ten, but is still not attracted to you? Maybe
a combination of cocky and funny with SS only to make her put you in the place
where she finds things which turn her on and give her pleasure.
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Jeff (Commenting on Kiss Openers):
Assuming that you can actually do this, are you suggesting to the list that
ANYONE could pull this off?
NightLight9 responds: Well, can anyone run a marathon? The question is simple
on first glance but deepens quickly upon inspection. Yes, anyone could quickly
kiss close a girl, given that he isn't deformed, diseased or unhygienic, etc.
I think so. Some can do it naturally, others have to spend years learning to
do so (as I have). If you're an 'unattractive' guy with an annoying voice and
boring, grating personality, it's going to be harder to kiss close. That said,
if you really want to change you ability to PU and how you interact with women,
you probably need to change a lot more about yourself. For me, this is a continual
project. My little brother on the other hand seems to be able to just live life,
be happy, and do great while essentially being a slacker. He just doesn't give
a fuck. It's the Zen of slacking I guess.
As a note: my posting to the list isn't supposed to be bragging to start a pissing
contest. I do it to encourage, share and get feedback. I am specifically not
interested in some sort of John Randi 1 million dollar PUA challenge. This is
something I do for fun in my spare time.
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Suzy Licorice:
Saturday night my bf and I went to a new night club in my home town. While we
were enjoying a drink at the bar, there standing next to us was a very cute
blonde wearing hip hugging jeans and a halter top and an interesting metal belt,
talking to a man next to her. My bf turned to her and said "That is a cool
belt! Where did you get that?" She said "Chicago." I said "Really?
Chicago?" She said "Yes, that's where I'm from." I said "Why
are you here tonight in a town 5 hours away?" She said "My bf is the
DJ here tonight. I came along with him." I said "Cool. My bf and I
went to Chicago this past summer and went to some of the night clubs there."
She asked me which ones we went to. We small talked about clubs in various cities.
Then she extended her hand and said "My name's Samantha." We introduced
ourselves and shook her hand.
My bf asked Samantha how long she had been dating her bf. She said "one
year." My bf asked her how it was going. She gave a cold response indicating
that it was so so. She asked us how long we had been dating. I told her "Two
years. I'm from here, and my bf is from a town about 100 miles from here."
Then my bf said "Yeah, that's right, a long distance relationship."
She laughed. My bf then ran the long distance relationship pattern.
Samantha became very interested in us at that point. She asked us what we did
for a living. We told her and my bf added that we are only analytical at work.
She laughed and said that she is only analytical at work, and she was an accountant.
That surprised me, because she looked more like a stripper, with the long bleach
blonde hair and tight clothes. My bf asked her what it was about accounting
that she enjoys. She said that her family was accountants. I said "Yeah,
accountants often think in black and white." She said "Yeah, that's
weird, but I'm into astrology." We small talked some more. She said she
was 21.
My bf said "I'm going to read the palm of an accountant" and took
her hand.
She was very intrigued and asked "You know how to read palms?" My
bf said "Yes. I learned palm reading as a way to get to know someone quickly,
and see if this is the kind of person I might like to get to know better."
She was pleasantly surprised and then said "A psychic read my palm once.
I'll see how you compare to her." My bf said "Your life line and your
head line intersect at the edge of your palm." She said "The psychic
said my life line was short, so I won't live long." My bf said "The
lines on your hand cannot possibly predict your future, that's bullshit. But
they do predict how you will respond to events in your life, because they are
your lines." She said "Yes, that makes sense!" He said "You
could very well enjoy a very long life." That really eased her. It also
diffused a cruel time bomb that the psychic had planted. (Like Major Mark says
"Leave 'em better than you found 'em.") She then became eager to know
more about herself. My bf said "Talking about psychics, you have a square
palm, which means you are not psychic. Psychics have long narrow palms. You
are not psychic, but you are intuitive. You can think about someone and then
the phone will ring and it will be them." She said "Oh yes! That is
so true." He said "You have the intuition to be a quick judge of character.
You can know, right when you meet someone, that this is a person who has a positive
energy, and this is someone you would like to get to know better." She
enthusiastically agreed.
He said "Your heart line is very curved. This means you are a very passionate
person. You are not only passionate about passion, you are passionate about
the things you believe." She agreed. Then he said "But what is interesting
is, see here, the end of your heart line is forked.
That is a sign of sexual adventurism. Are you bi-sexual?" She said "Welllllll...."
and looked down with a big smile. My bf said "You don't have to answer
that." She said "Well, I partially experimented with that once."
I said "It is very natural." My bf went into Rick H's "Sexual
Nurturing" pattern. She kept looking at me for my approval, trying to see
if I was bi-sexual. She asked me if I believed that. I said "Yes I do."
I explained to her that it is a very natural thing. She said "Why is it
natural for two women but not two men?" I said "It's all about energy"
and I went into Rick H's "Ying and Yang energy" pattern. Once she
got my approval and knew that I was into it, she became very comfortable. I
got kino on her and she reciprocated. I had to keep the kino toned down because
my brother was also at the club. His presence was really cramping my style.
Then a gf of mine interrupted us. I introduced my gf to Samantha, and then I
had to excuse myself to talk to my gf for a moment. My gf kept me much longer
than I wanted. By then Samantha resumed talking to that guy next to her that
she had been talking to before. Then she left and I didn't see where she went.
My bf wanted to know Samantha's relationship with that guy she had been talking
to so he approached the guy and asked if he knew her.
The guy said "No, I'm from here. We were just talking." The guy wanted
to talk more, but we were able to lose him.
My bf and I moved to the edge of the dance floor. I danced for my bf while he
watched. This attracted Samantha back to us. She started dancing just as I stopped
to take a sip of my drink. She asked "Are you going to keep dancing?"
in a longing way. I said "I'm just getting a sip." She said "I
have drinks reserved at the bar. Would you and your bf like some?" I said
"I'm ok." My bf said to Samantha "She would enjoy it if you danced
with her." Samantha and I danced together. I wanted to get more kino but
my brother was still somewhere nearby. Samantha and I danced and held hands.
Eventually it was 2:00 a.m. and the DJ music stopped. Samantha went up to the
DJ booth to be with her bf. I said goodbye to my brother and my gf and they
left. My bf and I waited for Samantha to return. I wanted her to lose the bf
and come home alone with us.
After a few minutes, Samantha came back to us and again offered me a drink.
I asked her "Would you like to join my bf and me at my house?" She
had a sad look on her face and said "My bf was talking about other plans
he was making for us to go to his friend's house." I said "How does
he feel about your fascination with women." She said "He doesn't like
it, he's very constraining." I said "You need to dump him." She
said "I know! He doesn't like it when I am with my gf's and that I want
to be with women." I said "One thing I like about my bf is that he
fully supports my interest in women." She said "You have a great man."
I said "You can have one, too." My bf said "I believe a woman
deserves to feel all the pleasure that a woman possibly can. It's too bad you
cannot be with us tonight. Because, as you know, to be with a woman is very
special. Only a woman knows how to please a woman. Only a woman, such as yourself,
knows what it feels like as a woman.
Only a woman knows how to make another woman feel the things that only a woman
could feel." She got really flustered as if we were dangling candy in front
of her. My bf said to her while pointing to me "Do you think she's pretty?"
Samantha said "Oh yes!" Samantha became very excited and wanted to
kiss me, but she didn't want her bf to see it. My bf said "Just imagine
how exciting it would be. Just think about how incredibly sexy that would be."
Samantha became even more excited and gave me the feeling that she was torn
hard between complying with her bf and going for what she really wanted.
Because she was out of state and at the mercy of her bf, there was no way I
was going to be able to break her free from him. Had she not been out of state,
we would have closed her.
Some things I have learned in the past two years: 1. Contrary to what Rick H
says, closet lipstick bi-sexual women do NOT openly approach other women.
2. Even after I do start conversation and build rapport, I have found that even
then bi-sexual women still do NOT express their sexual attraction, even though
they feel it. 3. Where Rick H lives, out there in L.A., is a VERY different
place than where I live, out here in the Midwest. There's a BIG difference between
Hollywood actress wanna be's/strippers vs.
Midwestern 9 to 5 girls. 4. Lipstick bisexual women are submissive, thus neither
of them will initiate. I've learned to initiate, but it was difficult because
I am sexually submissive by nature.
Out here in the Midwest, it is not like Rick H says that a woman just goes up
to another woman and says "You're cute, let's go home together." That
is not reality. I've been working on this diligently for two years. Women have
consistently told me that I am very sexy and attractive, but I'm finding that's
not enough.
Rick H. or Major Mark, I would be interested in your comments.
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Adam:
(Commenting on Cliff's Comment: "A friend of mine recently separated from
his wife after
13 years and he's been getting laid like crazy -- he just jokes around with
everyone and is very forward with women (in a joking kind of way) and he's been
doing
incredible. I estimate he's been getting laid 4 times a week and would be every
night if not for the few other things he does some nights. And he really has
no techniques - just an attitude of having fun with everyone he meets."):
I'm really good at picking up women; The hard part is finding situations where
you're around a ton of women. I've got a wonderful girlfriend now.
But I was curious when I read the paragraph above: What is your friend doing
to expose (you know what I mean) himself to so many people? Is he one of those
guys who deliver coffee and sandwiches to corporate offices?
Or a UPS driver? (Those guys must get laid like crazy!).
Cliff's Comment: He doesn't like parties, bars, or clubs, but he meets secretaries when he goes on business appointments (and sometimes over the phone), he meets women working in stores that he goes in to buy things, he gets fixed up quite a bit because he talks to a wide variety of people who want to help now that he is getting divorced, etc. Basically he takes advantage of situations we probably are in almost every day and capitalizes on them. And once he starts talking to these women he jokes around (usually in a somewhat flirtatious way) and gets very forward about wanting to go out with them. And he's pretty clear about what he wants (he tells them he is just coming out of a marriage and is not ready for a serious relationship but is interested in a passionate physical relationship). Because he is fun, asks nicely and is clear, he seems to get mostly positive responses.
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Mark B.:
(Commenting on: "You'll be amazed. It's THEM who are shy, not you!! That's
the lesson that you have to teach shy people"):
MB: Bang on advice. Most women I have picked up in bars (or anywhere for that matter) admit to being shy and scared. I often thought that it is not that they think you are a geek or some sort of disfigured monster that they do not want to talk to you but that they are nervous scared and tentative as to what you might do or what to do themselves and what to say. Like you suggest smiling, being fun and open is a great way to reduce their uncertainty and shyness.
(Commenting on: "I wonder if you could share some of the techniques and processes that you use for overcoming nervousness and shyness as these are issues that I am having particular difficulty in resolving"):
MB: I have been trying taking a few deep breaths before I enter a potentially nerve wracking situation. I find that with the extra oxygen my perceptual field also increases. I am able to see more things around me that I normally would not notice and I feel sharper and more relaxed. I also tell myself what state I want to be in: aggressive, direct, relaxed, confident, fun and flirty. This seems to work well.
(Commenting on: "I get her to a 9 on the 1-10 scale of making her feel special and happy, then I do something that moves it to a 12. I'm an unbelievable high."):
MB: Yes sir. This for me is the best way to get a woman. Make her feel so good
to be with you and around you that she cannot help but get hopelessly hooked.
Make her feel like the most attractive, sexy, desirable and fun women in the
world and then fuck her brains out like no man ever before and she will be hooked
for life. I enjoy giving oral to women and I love the way their faces squirm
when I make my way around their love nest. To me, admiring a woman and making
her feel good is the same as making love to her. Panties on the floor follows
next.
I have been doing some self reflection on my experience with women. Based on
my sister's experience I began to think of what really makes a woman want to
be with a guy. I looked back at my experience and realized that any discussion
of other women while with a new HB as well as a desire for a relationship tends
to backfire horribly at the beginning. In fact, with my two LTRs (as well as
all the women I dated successfully and slept with) the frame was "Hey,
you seem like a great girl, let's get together, go out and have some fun."
But the ones I crashed and burned with I did the opposite - talked about other
women and told my new HB I was looking for a relationship. The question is why
is this the case?
After some careful thought, I realized that women want to feel special and exclusive
while in your company and while with you. Talk of other women tends to make
them feel ignored and unwanted, a tag along. It tends to make them feel like
they have not captured your interest and you still find yourself talking and
thinking about other women while with her. Not good.
The other point was, why does talking about a relationship seem to negate one's
chances for getting her? I figured that when a guy tells her he wants one, he
is in essence ignoring her and focusing on a relationship. In other words, he
would rather have a relationship than have her and she once again feels neglected
and a second priority. She feels the next one that comes along that offers him
that, he will take the offer. And yet, again, she does not feel special. I have
also found that not discussing one keeps her on her toes where whenever you
call she jumps for joy. So one step at a time.
I have lost some great women due to the above points, never to recover again
but looking back at my two LTR's as well as all the women I banged, the frame
I set up was - focus on being and having fun, focus on the girl exclusively,
no talk of a relationship and making her feel special by going for what I want.
Even when it comes to fucking, I found that talking about how much you like
to fuck also diminishes her feelings of being special.
Better to say "I want to make love to YOU" rather than "I love
to fuck." Saying you just want to fuck makes it seem that you want to use
her as a piece of meat. Many guys think they are appealing to her by being "open"
to sex when in fact they turn her off. I have never had a woman slap me, run
away or otherwise turn away when I told her I wanted to make love to her. In
fact, after indicating my sexual interest in her, women tend to come close and
develop a greater contact with me. To me, this seems to be the ultimate compliment
to woman as long as the focus is on YOU MAKING LOVE TO HER, not just making
love or fucking in general. Subtle but important difference.
Case in point: my cousin is 20 and also very attractive. She met a 27 year old
guy who drives a brand new Corvette, drops money like water, and looks like
a movie star. On their first date, all he did was talk about his ex girlfriend
and how she dumped him for another guy. He also said that he thought that the
waitress liked him and asked my cousin if she thought the same. My cousin sat
there stunned in disbelief as he carried on oblivious to her. Eventually she
said she had to go early and never spoke or saw him again. He was left dumbfounded
and confused as to what went wrong.
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Gregory Rasputin:
(Commenting on: "Wanna get confident flying a plane? Reading a book and
then acting brave and listening to hypnotists TALK you into confidence is a
crock of shit. And this comes from a guy who DOES HYPNOSIS."):
Ok listen Mystery, I agree with you about the whole repetition thing you've
brought up, but that one statement about hypnosis being a crock of shit is not
only extremely uneducated, but it's also extremely closed minded.
You know how after you finish watching a Jackie-Chan movie, or some powerful
fighting movie, that really leaves a state on you, you feel like you could go
beat the living shit out of anyone you want? Isn't that confidence? Were you
not hypnotized? You're right, intellectualizing about something doesn't really
bring results. I remember I read that "Laws of Comedy" book, and I
didn't get any funnier, because it was all analyzing humor. Then, I listened
to Bandler (who's a funny guy actually) in a couple of tapes, and I noticed
my thinking changed, and I was just looking at things from different angles,
and funny things just came into my head. That's why when you're around funny
people, you're influenced by them, and become funny yourself for a while even
when they're not around. Hypnosis isn't a crock of shit, I use NLP and forms
of trance/hypnosis all the time, and it's part of who I am, and trust me, I
get the
results I aim for. So, if club pick-ups with a cocky attitude and a good sense
of humor is your thing, and works for you then go ahead, educate people as much
as you can on how that can work for them, too, but don't ever tell people that
some other system doesn't work, because there are newbies here, who will take
you seriously. Imagine Milton Erikson was convinced from the start by someone
like you that hypnosis doesn't work? Shit, imagine Einstein was convinced from
the start that science doesn't work.
(Commenting on: "I suppose given the choices, 1) work hard learning 100's
of distinctions that apply to real world situations in an INFIELD WORKSHOP with
an
EXPERIENCED seducer by approaching tons of hot girls over three days or 2) listening
to a guy "hypnotize" your fear away FOR YOU in only a couple minutes
... I'd choose the easy way out. But maybe you should ask yourself a question:
if it's too good to be true, is it?"):
Mys, what's going on here? Are you trying to publicly say that your workshop is better than Stephane's workshop, so people should take their money and bring it to you instead of him? You're completely locked in your model of the world, not allowing anything to come in. When you say hypnosis is a crock of shit, a meta-model questions come to mind 1) to whom is it a crock of shit? To you? To me? To Milton Erickson maybe? Just the fact that you made such a statement shows you're hardly familiar with advanced NLP (as an advanced NLPer would say 'it's a crock of shit to me'), and yet you're telling people it's bs before you even know what it is. (It isn't a stage hypnotist making people act like chickens, by the way.) For the record, I wanna say that NOT ONCE in the whole history of this list did you ever say anything advanced from an NLP point of view. Ross is always full of goodies, Steph definitely pulls in his share, too....and now you're 'a guy who does hypnosis' ? I've never heard anything about that. Maybe you're a guy who once tried hypnosis, did it wrong, failed miserably and decided it doesn't work, but from your posts I never could've guessed that you were a guy who does hypnosis. Also, note how you are the only one on this list who publicly says that "MY METHOD is the only one that works", and actually puts down other people's methods. Mys, I'm 100% sure that you've taken my posts as personal insults, even though they were definitely not intended that way, but none-the-less do everyone who you educate a favor, and fit this into your model of the world: "there are different ways to do different things. People think, learn, and do things differently. People are different. Different things work for different people."
(Commenting on: "...cause it's bold. I like it. I think I'll try this great shit out and report back on the results. Of course, you have to do this on a sexually mature girl."):
So you're gonna do an approach that only works on a sexually mature girl?
But if you've never approached her before how do you if she's sexually mature?
(Commenting on Formhandle:
"WTF were you trying to do here? All you're doing is re-enforcing a frame
she already might have accepted - that she might be comfortable with you as
a BF five months from now. Is that what you WANTED? Or did you want to shag
her right there in the middle of the street? ALL your actions must be congruent
with the kind of man you WANT to be. Not the kind of man you think will appeal
to what a chick is telling you on her conscious level"):
He was trying to use a time-distortion pattern, and was very incongruent with it. The point of it wasn't to make her comfortable in 5 months, but now.
(Commenting on: "Sometimes you just have to LEAD her. You have to stay
congruent to
doing what YOU want to do, while simultaneously gauging her indirectly so you
can read her better. If you change tactics mid-stream, you'll just look like
a salesman - a BAD salesman."):
Nah, you'll end up looking like a bad salesman if you're incongruent. Most people who start out with SS don't understand that it isn't Ross offering them a new personality because your old one sucked, but just an enhancement of what they already have to offer.
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Alan:
(Commenting on: "Stephane: (Commenting on Nathan, from private email: I
wonder if you could
share some of the techniques and processes that you use for overcoming nervousness
and shyness as these are issues that I am having particular difficulty in resolving.
I have started learning about NLP and have read a lot about the swish pattern
and the Compulsion Blowout but I am unsure as to how to apply it. Do you think
you could post descriptive information about how these can be applied? I am
very interested in this and although I have had success it is fairly minimal."):
Shyness is easy to overcome when you realize that women really aren't scary.
That's all it is. You don't need a blowout & you don't need a swish.
I could describe or even do NLP with you to get you over your shyness, but it's
alot easier than you think."):
For the past few years I have had a phobia with eye-contact - I felt fear when
I looked into a woman's eyes and she looked into mine.
As soon as she met my eyes, I felt I had to look away - my fear was too intense.
Naturally, she would think I wasn't interested in her, when in fact I was. Approaching
her was out of the question when I couldn't even make eye contact. I tried using
the swish technique and it didn't work. I tried talking myself out of it - pointing
out to myself how unreasonable my reaction was - and that didn't work. Just
now, while writing this, I got a call from my new HB8 gf, who
said how much she enjoyed this morning's fuck session (I came twice) and how
she can still smell my cum inside her and loves the smell, and how she's been
lying on her bed thinking of me while masturbating to orgasm, twice, and now
a third time while telling me about it on the phone. One of my nicknames for
her is "porn girl". Another is "party slut". I have others.
She likes them all. So I did manage to overcome the phobia. In a nutshell, here
is what
I did.
First, I became aware. I had a breakthrough when I started to feel how the phobia
worked. It wasn't that the chick herself was scary, it was that her gaze triggered
a fearful feeling in me. By looking away, I wasn't trying to avoid her as such,
I was trying to avoid the fearful feeling.
It wasn't her, it was me. I was doing this to myself, somehow. I wasn't afraid
of her, I was afraid of my own feelings.
Second, I found the ASF newsgroup, and associated sites, like Maniac's. I tend
to be an analytical guy (for you Myers-Briggs enthusiasts, I'm an INTP). Here
was a wealth of knowledge and expert advice on PU. All this expertise gave me
hope that one day I
could master this. I read all the ASF-related material I could find. I immersed
myself
in the ASF archives. I became aware of self-limiting beliefs I had about myself
and about chicks. And the newbie and RAFC success stories on ASF - here were
guys who
once struggled like me, and who turned it around, mastered the material, and
got laid. They were ordinary everyday people who changed their lives around.
I took inspiration from their examples. I became convinced that if they could
do it, I could do it. I didn't have to be special, I just had to change direction,
somehow. Like they did. So, no excuses. THEY did it.
*I* can do it.
Fourth, I made an absolute fucking hard-core commitment to myself to succeed
at getting laid. I gave myself permission to backslide occasionally and take
brief breaks. I gave myself permission to take all the time I needed to succeed
- one year, two years, whatever. But I promised myself whatever happened I would
keep going.
Fifth, I started changing direction: getting fit, dressing well, maintaining
a good haircut, going out into the field, practicing approaches and small-talk
with anybody: taxi drivers, bar staff, cops, street musicians, old folks, couples,
guys, and, of course, chicks. I started going to places I hadn't been before,
to practice approaches. I took risks. I started writing. I started performing.
I took classes in acting, psychology, creative writing, both to pick up skills
and to sarge.
Sixth, I tried all sorts of techniques to prepare for success. I mentally rehearsed
approaching and laying chicks. I listened to music that got me "up"
and I'd replay that music in my head when I went into the field. I rehearsed
PUA attitudes in my posts on ASF. I went out into the field, and forced myself
to make eye contact with women I'd pass in the street. I'd say "Hi"
to them in my head. Or I'd say "Hi" out loud. Whatever I could manage
at the time.
Seventh, I bit the bullet and started to apply light kino to chicks when I had
the chance.
Eighth, I stopped using porn and I reduced my frequency of masturbation, so
that I would give off a strong sexual vibe when sarging, and so that my sexual
hunger would help drive me forward and make more approaches.
Ok, end of nutshell. This was my way. Others will need to find their own way,
and it may be very different from mine. The things that made the biggest differences
to me were: committing to taking risks and changing direction; getting out in
the field; and getting successes.
Mystery point about repetition and field experience is key, for me.
What is also key for me is getting successes. Every time I scored a success
- good eye contact, an approach that went smoothly, a girl offering to buy me
dinner, a number close, a
*close, a close - I felt an emotional shift inside me. Here was DIRECT, IRREFUTABLE
evidence that I could succeed at this, that I had qualities that women liked,
that the limiting beliefs and emotional responses lurking deep in the back of
my head were simply wrong. There was no NEED for me to be "shy". There
was no JUSTIFICATION for it. It was BULLSHIT. Not only did I think that, but
those successes started to make me FEEL that. Somehow, each small success would
help undo the tangled knots of self-defeating beliefs and behaviour that got
in my way.
And this ties in with Mystery's thesis about the primacy of field experience.
The only place I'm going to get the full impact of success is IN THE FIELD.
I respect the fact that world-class athletes and musicians use mental rehearsal
extensively. And I found it useful.But what had the most impact on me was SUCCESS.
Small then growing successes. I cannot over-emphasize the EMOTIONAL, SUBCONSCIOUS
impact that each positive outcome, however slight, had on me.
Now, I still have a shyness problem: last night, Porn Girl asked me what sort
of porn stories I most liked to read, and I was a bit shy about telling her.
When I see her next, I'm going to "Feel the Fear and Do It Anyway."
Curse this shyness :-)
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PRODUCTS AND LINKS (There's some NEW STUFF in here, and I will try and put something new in here as often as possible):
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the same time. If anyone has any other suggestions of sites that would be a
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Get on Mystery's Lounge - send him an email at [email protected] (note
this new email address) with REQUEST MEMBERSHIP in the subject line.
Include your REAL name, your experience, background in the PUA, some online
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MANY of the members Mystery has personally sarged with.
The rule is simple don't fuck up anyone's game. If you can abide by that and
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