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Ross:
(Commenting on: "You're both right. Ross, you CAN elicit, evoke, anchor,
and utilize states of attraction. That's why we're here -- we're all learning
to do that. And Mark
is right about the fact that if a broad thinks you're disgusting right off the
bat, you're probably NOT going home with her tonight! It ain't worth the hassle!
It's possible to turn it around, and while SSers are busy trying, I'll be fucking
the women who WANT me. There. I just condensed the whole discussion.
And if anybody wants my two cents, you need to be more confident than they are.
Do that and you won't need a system, you won't need an anchor, you won't need
formal training. You need to trade in all of that shit for a sense of humor
and a dick, and be proud of your sense of humor and dick. heheh. I am finding
out now that it's alot easier than I ever thought..."):
Or you've just learned to incorporate patterning so it just seems natural to you.
(Commenting on: "(Commenting on: "Tristan: "I did her cube and we fluffed about various things."): Still using the cube, eh? I want to do stats on this 'cube' thing. I want to know how many of you are using it, and what percentage of women actually start to like you because of it. Trist, it must be good if you're STILL using it!"):
It's awesome..gives you VERY high quality info as well as creates awesome rapport and opens up all KINDS of thematic possibilities.
(Commenting on: "(Commenting on:"I then make my last conditions clear
to her. I do something similar to Riker's brilliant 3 rules but I emphasize
something a little different. I tell her (as I look into her eyes) that though
I might be in a situation where I want to passionately kiss a woman, I will
only do so if I know she. What is she so afraid of? Getting 'hurt'?
FUCKING DOESN'T HURT! In fact, it feels pretty damn good."):
Ha ha ha. Dude, that is comedy! HA HA HA HA HA
(Commenting on: "She is telling you about Jesus because she doesn't want you to know the truth that she loves to suck cock and fantasizes about bad boys all day long..."):
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA....man, oh man, I'm holding my sides laughing! HA HA HA!
(Commenting on: "GameMaster: I wanted to follow up on the story about
Miss Louisiana! I met her online last week and we spoke for the first time on
Wednesday. I got her number and called her up and use this line "Hello
Cindy......well, I have the face.....now I have the voice, and sometimes the
voice....can be just as intriguing as the face. Hi this is GM". They always
say something like "Oh yeah"! We chatted for a while, laughed our
ass off about the whole online thing, and agreed to meet for drinks on Saturday
but before I let her go I installed my voice and linked it to the place
where she see's "things of beauty". Trust me, I need all the help
I can get."):
Hold on a sec; clear something up. Hadn't she asked to see your pic BEFORE you two talked on the phone? Was the first time she actually got a peek at you when you met for drinks? Important detail, my man!
(Commenting on: "Consider training yourself using GROUP THEORY. If you
approach a 3set, approaching THE ONE (formerly target) immediately will alienate
the PEER
GROUP (formerly obstacles) every time. So you approach the GROUP and focus on
BEFRIENDING (formerly disarming) THE ONE's FRIENDS (formerly Ug's). When you
NEG THE ONE, you get the respect of her peers while lowering her self-confidence.
From THAT position, you can get permission to 1:1 her and you are free to work
your magic."):
I think this makes perfect sense. Let's go apply it outside of a club context for even more fun.
(Commenting on: "You are learning that approaching girls 1:1 is (respectfully) cowardly."):
That's a weird label. You mean, it takes NO balls to approach and HB 9+ just walking down the street? Let's say approaching an HB 9+ in a group in a bar might not work so well.
(Commenting on: "You're both right. Ross, you CAN elicit, evoke, anchor,
and utilize states of attraction. That's why we're here -- we're all learning
to do that. And Mark
is right about the fact that if a broad thinks you're disgusting right off the
bat, you're probably NOT going home with her tonight! It ain't worth the hassle!
It's possible to turn it around, and while SSers are busy trying, I'll be fucking
the women who WANT me. There. I just condensed the whole discussion."):
I agree about the disgusting part, but I'm not THAT unattractive; in fact,
in the right context (when I'm on stage, speaking, as the authority) women tell
me I am fucking hot.
As for fucking the women who want you....I can't find any other way to make
it happen. The question is, how do you move her to WANT you?
(Commenting on: "And if anybody wants my two cents, you need to be more confident than they are. Do that and you won't need a system, you won't need an anchor, you won't need formal training."):
I never said "need". I said it sure as hell helps. Otherwise, you
will rely on whether she feels those initial "attraction" butterflies
based on your looks. I don't want to leave it to those chances.
My personal experience is that, being funny and cocky is ONLY enough when they
also just happen to like my look. That happens, but why leave it to chance?
My "look" is quirky and unique, not what most like.
I've got to use my voice, my touch, and how I use language to up the odds.
I've met you, dude, and you're a good looking, young guy. You can get away with
great success with just your sense of humor, your attitude and your dick.
My experience, over and over and over again is, unless I am on stage as the
authority...NO PATTERNS, NO PUSSY.
My look is just NOT what gives girls those "initial attraction butterflies"
that will even turn on their, "let's give this guy a chance" mechanism.
It works like this:
Chick has signals for different ways to treat guys, different responses to give.
Signal: nice, warm, heart feeling mechanism triggered: Nice guy, lbjf Signal:
warmth in face, hmmm sound to herself, feeling of hanging on every word, narrow
focus of vision Mechanism: Hmm..he's interesting...lets here what he has to
say..nice eyes
Signal: Butterflies in tummy, yum sound to herself Mechanism: Wow..he's cute..let's
get friendly and open up to him See, here is my point: without your looks, young
Stephane, your attitude and humor alone won't get you the butterflies. You might
fascinate her with your conversation, she might find you interesting to talk
to, but unless you are using touch, language and other things to turn her on,
she will search for the "butterflies" and not find them. Thus, you
get labeled friend, social spare-tire, you get blurring when you call them on
the phone, etc. etc. etc BTW, I owe this stuff to my student Merlin.
(Commenting on: "You need to trade in all of that shit for a sense of humor and a dick, and be proud of your sense of humor and dick. heheh. I am finding out now that it's alot easier than I ever thought..."):
You're young and very good looking. In most cases, a sense of humor and a great
attitude is all YOU need. You can't tell the rest of us that what is sufficient
for you, with your gifts, will be sufficient for us.
Same thing for Mark B. If you don't need language, energy, etc., to score, don't
up us guys who do. Count your fucking blessings and feel lucky and wish us best
skills in what we have to do that you do NOT.
(Commenting on: "I responded,"I'm not gonna sit here all day and
try and dazzle you with my looks OR my brains! All **I** have to offer YOU...
IS A SENSE OF HUMOR AND A DICK!" After that she was all mine. I'm so much
more confident than she is. I
never flinched."):
Yeah, she probably liked your looks too. Absent the looks, the cockiness won't get you the result.
(Commenting on: "After all, I'm only one step ahead of a monkey. I'm a
MAN.
Less hair, more thoughts. If anyone steals that quote I'm suing you : )"):
Awesome quote.
(Commenting on: "MB: She went out with him once but then complained that he was not her type as he revealed too much about himself although he has money, a great car, looks, a business. She said that all the good things he said about himself sounded too good to be true and the bad things were just that, bad."):
Wow...skepticism on her part because of the good stuff....wow.
(Commenting on: "But he did not know that and kept calling her everyday. Bad "This guy makes me feel so comfortable because he is just being himself, no games, he says what is on his mind and does not care what is the outcome."):
I like that. He got rapport even though she was suspicious.
(Commenting on: "I feel like I can be myself as well. We even had phone
sex already. He just asked me to put my hand inside my pants and play with myself
and I did. He takes charge and I do not feel like I have to make all the decisions.
For the first time in my life I can breathe and feel like the pressure is off
me." Make your own conclusions.
I'm curious as to how he provided a challenge for he if he was calling her twice
a day. She's already won him over, so where is the challenge for her?"):
Also, twice a day is a bit extreme, I think. I'd be curious as to her answers to this.
(Commenting on: "The first is that his attitude does not make him physically appealing but his level of confidence frees others to be just as confident and free with him as he is with them. He looks like the type of guy who no right thinking woman would look at yet he banged one of the hottest strippers. Why? I believe it had to do with the biker stripper's self esteem. What women would allow herself to be roughed up, beaten and threatened and go back for more? One that probably feels she deserves a guy with a missing tooth, huge belly, dirty clothes, etc. So his attitude freed her and gave her confidence yet his physical shape was what appealed to her in whatever way that may have been."):
Yeah, but look at the quality of girl he attracted. Someone with zero self-esteem. Where do we push confidence into arrogance that negates other people entirely and draws only self-hating people to us?
(Commenting on: "Cliff's Comment: This only shows what most of us reading this know for a fact, that your looks are not the crucial element -- your attitude is. Those who have met David know that here's a guy who is not good looking yet you know almost instantly from talking with him that he has the attitude that will draw the hottest women to him like flies on shit."):
Yes, but Cliff, I've met David and David is NICE to women. He may be a bit
rough and crude, but David likes women, does NOT believe in physically mistreating
them, will bring them a rose after banging them and other stuff some guys here
would falsely consider AFC. David doesn't have to hurt or negate someone to
be cocky and confident. Big difference.
David also uses seductive language, quite naturally. He and I discussed this
when I visited Montreal, as you know.
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Prophet: I'm back in Canada (Guelph) for a month before I take my HB back to Germany with me. I have been having some trouble sarging because we are together a lot. While we are here, we are spending time at our respective parents' houses. That gives me some time to get out alone and after having taken the trouble to learn these beautiful patterns, I don't want to stop using them. Are there any brothers in Guelph, Ontario (or Toronto if necessary) who I could wing with while I'm here? I'm a young, fit, good-looking 34. Several people have said I look like Sting. Women I tell patterns to tell me I'm very charming. Sarging with me might be easy because women give me the long eye and even approach me sometimes (more often when I was younger and in university, though).
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Dwacon's Treasure of Pleasure
(http://www.sextoysex.com/sex/start/sex.html?a=dwacon): I think I can appreciate
having a good wing man... makes life a lot easier.
Got together with my old gay buddy and it was like shooting fish in a barrel.
Besides escaping the perception of the crazed loner, sarging seems like less
effort with a goose to your maverick. That's why I'm looking forward to trying
that video PUA idea...
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Stephane:
(Commenting on: "Cliff's Comment: Steph, you're getting a little carried
away here... The trick is to be direct but charming at the same time. Being
crude at the
beginning is not going to work with women who have class and intelligence. You
can be just as forward and direct without being crass."):
Crass? What's crass? Licking an asshole? Is that 'crass' enough for ya?
Who says I'm not charming? I'm not tryin to fuck YOU, Cliff : )
Cliff's Comment: There isn't a technique out there that'll do that one for you.
Stephane Continues:
Crude gets people's ATTENTION in our society! I've always noticed that if I'm
CRUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE, people LISTEN.
Please understand that my view of life is one of agnosticism.
And therefore I wanna make it very clear:
I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING AT ALL, NOT EVEN THAT!!!
All generalizations eventually break down, even that one.
All I care about in life is my sense of humor and my dick. They make me feeeeel
gooood the most. Everything else is just 'there'. That's all I have to offer.
I don't have
money, I don't have fame, or wealth, all I have is my ability to feel good and
my patience.
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Matthew A.: (Commenting on: "MB: At what point do patterns become so simple they are no longer patterns? How about just talking about a blow job? How does just talking about one make it any different from weaving it into some pattern?"):
Conscious resistance to subconscious desire. Culture has taught us to resist overt sexual "come-ons." There are obviously some people who are smart enough not to buy into it, but it is rare, and a segment of patterning that Ross teaches bypasses the conscious resistance and makes it easier for the person you are talking to to accept her subconscious impulses in a frame that is acceptable consciously: stories (third person,) poetry, jokes, metaphors.
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Gilbert:
Before I start, I like to say I’m only slightly familiar with Ross and
Mark B. I don't know them personally and is possible that I don't understand
their frame of understandings. However, there are some important things I'd
like comment on.
I'm a little more partial to what MB is saying when he states that he'd like
an unfizzling attraction. I'd like a woman to be naturally attracted to me for
the qualities/values/whatever that I already hold. If I eventually get married,
I don't want to have to change who I am, or change her perceptions radically.
I could spend time and thought to keep the woman and her perceptions congruent
with what she is attracted to, but I am not going to. It's my personality to
enjoy a relationship that is both real to her and real to me. I do not care
to be a magician pulling my cloak around me and only exposing what she wants
to see. It also seems, and I disagree, that MB doesn't like to bring up past
instances of when a woman is feeling a state with some one else. It can be viewed
that those feelings, whether anchored to you or not, are still rooted to some
other man. Often I would agree with MB on a practical application, that I don't
like to invoke past memories of other PEOPLE to have her feel these states.
I have had situations that the woman had the urge to call her ex-borefiend because
of my lack of direction in language. I do not, however, waver in my acceptance
and application to bring a woman into states of lust, fascination, or horniness
by using my verbal language - it's like changing their mood. (BTW a large factor
of "natural attraction" is body language and personal energy, both
factors that I believe a self-aware person should consciously guide.) From what
I know, RJ seems to be more sly in his seduction; the woman is feeling the states
but hasn't consciously recognized that he's putting the moves on her. He is
more indirect and vague, where MB, I believe, puts the path that he wants to
take with the woman down right from the get go. I would side with Mark in the
issue of being direct; I have found more success with starting flirty, cocky
and to the point. Perhaps the reason I have found more success is because when
you are direct, there seems to be a quick outcome, either positive or negative,
and thus gives the opportunity for more approaches. These are the points where
I believe MB finds objections with RJ. (It also could be a difference in the
chosen description and communication. Just as I may not understand them, they
may not understand each other.)
When I read MB’s words, they seemed to romanticize attraction and seduction
a little. All extended interactions or relationships require some form of work
and effort. It requires more effort in initially attracting some women, but
I don’t keep ones that require sustained strain. To my logic however, everything
is “natural” in terms where nothing can work outside of natural universal
laws. Things happen and then come the results. The word natural is dependant
on the vernacular, but is based on our understanding of things. When our understanding
changes, the concept of what is natural does, too. If it feels natural to work
a little sneaky hypnosis bit to keep an HB10, then go ahead.
In reference to the magician and his cloak - being a magician is not how I would
prefer describe using SS tools. I see many SS techniques as skills, talents
and hobbies, if you will. Smooth talk (or patterning) is a way to get a woman
to feel a state, and lets just for this example, feel lust. The ability in me
to make a woman feel lust by the way I talk to her is something that I desire
to be part of my personality.
I personally don't anchor much. If I am lonely or have an "in the moment"
desire, I will continue building a person's state using whatever I can, to the
point where I get what I want. I don't have a need for them after that, so I
structure the seduction accordingly. I, however, in terms of longer relationships
would like girls who are attracted to my inner-self, so I know that usually
I don't need to produce “artificial” attraction. (But that is only
my desired opinion, because really, there is no such thing as “artificial”,
and I think many cannot accept that.) The rough idea is that they like the same
kind of stuff I do and think basically similarly so it works on a general scale.
The good part is that the qualities, skills, and abilities I have, lots of woman
and men want. I have a lot of choice in terms of selection.
I think that RJ’s approach seems more flexible on the woman and her needs.
Not a bad idea to use, because everyone has unfulfilled needs. I applaud both
men for there experience and wisdom and hope they will continue to help us all
gain better insight to PU.
On the kiss openers, I worry a little about what the law might do to me - what
are some suggestions on judging the women before the walkup?
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five683: (Commenting on: "Mark B.: But he did not know that and kept calling
her everyday. Bad right?????? Wrong - after a week of calling her twice per
day and showing interest she is saying "Mark, this guy is really interested
in me," "This guy seems to be lots of fun," "This guy is
really open, I really like that." This weekend she left her borefriend
of 2 years to be with this new
guy."):
Now you guys are confusing me. This goes against everything I've been reading in these so-called on-line "men's" magazines. Especially people like "Doc Love" who says the way to get/keep a woman is to "always be a challenge." So what's a self-respecting lesbian supposed to do when she thought she found this wealth of information into a woman's psyche and now I'm getting conflicting information??
Cliff's Comment: I think that Mark's comment doesn't fully take into account that the guy was persistent in a charming manner, and not in an annoying, stalking kind of way. I think it is clear that different things will work on different women in different situations, but I do agree that being persistent can yield benefits if done properly.
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HouseOFire:
(Commenting on Stephane: Why did she stop at the bra, and why is that ok?
Why does she want to wait? What does she need to know? She's acting like you
are immortal. What is she so afraid of? Getting 'hurt'? FUCKING DOESN'T HURT!
In fact, it
feels pretty damn good."):
She was afraid that once the physical stimulation got too intense, she would
lose her will to say no. And the reason she wanted to say no was a general principle
about how a woman should act. And what she thinks she needs to know is that
it's the third time they were getting together, or something like that.
I know Mystery and others have suggested cutting off all the physical play and
offering to play checkers, or the like. I'd call this icing her. And then there's
the "I really shouldn't be..." approach, where you just keep on going
while saying that.
I divide these last minute resistance situations into two categories. In the
first category are situations where you know it's going to be a lot of work
to close the deal if you can't close right then and there, or it's then or never,
or she's just not worth the trouble. In the second are situations where you
know it's in the bag the next time you get together and you think she's worth
waiting for (Tristan's).
In this second category I don't want to blow a bird in the hand by trying too
hard to put my hand in the bush. I don't want to ice her. On the other hand,
I've never been successful in overcoming all resistance with the "I really
shouldn't be" approach. The best I've been able to do with that approach
is a little more progress.
Here's a twist that is kind of like icing her, but not harsh. I only tried this
once, but it worked. When the resistance came, I stopped all play and said something
like: "I understand. You'd like to go on as much as I would, but there's
a general principle that prevents you." I didn't validate the principle
by saying I respected it, but I did act respectful of her decision to follow
that principle. The key here was not to argue or persuade, but simply to name
it for what it was - a vague principle, one that she didn't conceive for herself.
I'm guessing that she thought about that prinicple and it looked pretty pale
to her as she sat there - cut off at her own request. After a short pause she
said "HF, you're so smart" and jumped me.
By the way, this girl was a trip. She was a Swede, here doing a stint in a school
for hotel and restaurant management. With regard to foreplay, she once said:
"Let's not waste time." (Okay, this was a while ago and my technique
may have left something to be desired.) She could lube at will.
She'd just close her eyes for a couple of seconds and say she was ready.
Wow!
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NightLight9:
(GameMaster: Since 9/11...did you hear that the frequency of sex is up like
3X since then? We have psychology on OUR side for a change!)
NightLight9 responds: Where did this stat come from? It does seem to me that people are partying more, and that *should* equate directly to more sex!
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chrisonic:
(Commenting on: "I call this my "Have you seen Thomas opener"):
I like that opener. I live in Brazil (my English sucks) and there are a lot
of clubs here where the guys go and try to pick up some girls. I notice that
there are 3 types of guys here in the clubs: 1) Guys who approach girls and
spend a lot of time (40 to 60 minutes) trying to kiss close. They normally introduce
themselves saying something like: What should I do to get a princess like you?
or You are the best looking girl in this club, etc. And then talk about where
she lives, what she does, where she works, blah, blah, blah. Totally AFC.
2) Guys who approach and spend about 10 to 20 minutes. These guys are funny
and can entertain girls, and some have a good pick up rate. I think I am one
of those.
3) Guys who go totally kino. They just approach the girl, invade her personal
space, say one or 2 things and in less than 4 minutes start hugging and trying
to kiss close. Their pick up rate is good (like 60%) I tried to notice what
do they say, but it doesn't seem to be anything clever or funny...
I think the key here is the kino, like in the NightLight9's "Have you seen
Thomas opener"
So I have the following questions to NL9: 1) What is the pickup rate you've
got using the Thomas opener?
2) What kind of girls have you kiss closed? Were they 8.5 and up? How old were
they?
3) When you failed to kiss close, what did you do?
4) Does it works when you approach a girl who is with her friends?
And what do you other guys think about this kind of approach?
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happy to learn all the new techniques that I have never seen on any list and
that alone made it worth the money. I am not typically the type of person that
spends money on a site especially a seduction site, I would rather pay for some
audio or video, but the information that was offered was different and unequal
to anything I have seen in the past. At any rate, I know you wanted a review..
and I have actually come to know the owner, and he puts more attention in his
members area than I would expect to see from any other site.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/smackudown DATING INSIDER Not only does
this next site give you an unconditional 1 year no risk money back guarantee,
but it stands alone and it's program is unmatched. Right now they're doing a
Free Trial period, and I'd take advantage of this while you can. The site reads
"Learn the proven secrets for meeting, attracting, and seducing women.
From A - Z, you'll discover the most advanced techniques for picking up women
ever developed." Check out their Free Trial (before it ends) and you'll
see why their members like this program so much. Click on
http://www.dating-insider.com/international/welcome.html.
How to Lay Girls Guide The ultimate SEDUCTION SECRETS database: http://www.layguide.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=Cliffslist
NEW RECOMMENDATIONS:
I have finished reading The Sexual Key and it is one of the best works I have
read about understanding the language that women respond to. I give this a strong
recommendation and the price is right, too. The book, and/or its companion book,
Gut Instinct (which I will be reviewing) can be downloaded off the net for $39.97
each or $49.97 for both.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist.sexualkey
THE UNKNOWN! (Not reviewed)
HYPNO-TECH Here's another one which I think has been reviewed here in the past
but I haven't gone through the old emails to check. "Do You Want To Know
A Simple, Two Minute Hypnotic Technique That Lets YOU Secretly Put Any Woman
Into An Instant Trance And Persuades Her To Ask YOU Out?
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/hypnotech ADVANCED MACKING Advanced Macking
has one of the most enticing websites. An updated review would also be welcome.
http://links.verotel.com/cgi-bin/showsite.verotel?vercode=66629804000000274976
This one also looked pretty interesting. The link for more information on breakups
and loving-styles is http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/Tigress Success Secrets
Our free newsletter reveals it all Money and Personal Finance secrets; Business
& Marketing secrets; Health, Fitness, and Weight-Loss advice; Self Defense
secrets; Memory Improvement tips; Smart Advice on Flirting, Dating, Sex, and
Relationships; Personal Development tips; Communication and Negotiation tips;
Tax Secrets & Loopholes!
Investment and Stock Market tips; and Much More http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/prodeskcom
The Ultimate Guide to Powerful Relationships is only $8.95 and looks very interesting.
Comments, please. http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades Here's a new
one I found which needs to be reviewed: "Guys! Get More Pussy with our
Adult Personals Inside Secrets Guide! Plus! Free Survey Results of Women Using
Personals for Sex The Guide contains the following Inside Secrets Replying to
ads - how to get noticed and get a date for hot sex.
Placing ads - how to beat the competition and get lots of replies How to handle
follow up communication to keep her interested. Examples of replies that worked
on us. You can just copy and paste these into your ads or replies. Saves you
time and increases your chances! A directory of the best websites for meeting
hot women! Sick of chicks who are only into cybersex and nothing else! The Guide
contains a list of the best adult personals sites."
http://secure.ibill.com/cgi-win/ccard/rscookie.exe?RevShareID=9804000000274976&
returnto=http://www.mysexinfo.com
Secrets of Power Persuasion! A course by Jian Wang to teach you how to write
hypnotic language to make others obey your command.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/mrchange (if this doesn't work, try this:
http://www.mrchange.com/?hop=cliffslist.mrchange, but both worked for me) Arte's
New Sex Video is kind of interesting. He shows a lot about playing with a woman's
g spot (which he demonstrates on his comely girlfriend - but I could have done
without seeing your dick, Arte). I will do a more extensive review after I have
watched it again more carefully: http://amos.simonweb.com/loveebook/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=lrec
HERE'S A NEW ONE
Suspect your spouse of cheating on you? Check this out http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/spouse1
FREE PLUGS
The following are all recommended but clicking on the links and buying from
them doesn't send any money back here (it is also recommended that the sponsors
of these sites consider setting this up -- from the little experience I have
had since I started the commercial section a couple of weeks ago, I think you
are missing a lot of business by not doing this) http://www.speed-seduction.com/
- The # 1 source; read the free newsletters & get the basic course.
http://www.trucor.com/ - Major Mark's site, the place to learn hypnosis and
about married women
http://www.essential-skills.com/ - learn anchoring, tonality, rapport, goal
getting, etc.
http://www.davidshade.com/ Give women incredible pleasure get David Shade's
Manual
http://www.fastseduction.com/ - great resource, a must visit http://www.sosuave.com/
- lots of free materials, many good ideas and articles http://www.mindcontrolmanual.com/
- seduce men and women through the power of the mind
http://www.oscarbruce.com/ - All his books deal with perusasion, manipulation
and a mild form of seduction. Books like School for Scoundrels focus on getting
your way with people and getting them to see things your way.
http://www.pickupguide.com - Maniac High's PUA Archive http://www.seductionnow.com
- This site has a lot of links and it contains pretty much all that an aspiring
PUA needs to know.
Get on Mystery's Lounge - send him an email at [email protected] (note
this new email address) with REQUEST MEMBERSHIP in the subject line.
Include your REAL name, your experience, background in the PUA, some online
PUA's who can vouch for you (references), and a real pic of yourself. If you
do not wish to give this REAL information, don't join. Only the PRO's are in
there anyways - we discuss lots of stuff but it's the REAL pix of our conquests
and the fact that we don't HIDE who we are to each other that makes it appealing.
MANY of the members Mystery has personally sarged with.
The rule is simple don't fuck up anyone's game. If you can abide by that and
have a track record for contributing, then that's basically good as gold. Pix
are a requirement, however. The Lounge is in many ways an EXTENSION of Cliff's
List and is not an alternative. You don't have to be a PRO, but you MUST play
the game. If you are only WANTING to ONE DAY chase skirts, please don't bother
joining.
http://www.mysterymethod.com/ - Mystery offers MM in-field training with his
3 day workshop, Sex Magic in several cities. Learn how to put women under your
spell by Mystery himself. Need to learn how to approach groups of people and
have solid material to fill the silence? Click now for more info & to sign
up.
Playerware which is designed specifically for men who like to date and interact
with a large number of women. The program is essentially an electronic chick
organizer. It contains features such as contact management, photo storage, an
electronic journal, a sophisticated rating and comparison system, date/interaction
tracking, as well as other unique features. Visit the site and you can get a
40 day free trial. Full registration is currently only
$15. http://www.playerware.com/default.asp?refid=10
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New Links to be explored (WE NEED THESE REVIEWED!): 1) The website reads as
follows and we need someone's review of this: "Impress everybody! Make
your life happen on purpose! Matthew Whiting an English and Psychology graduate
from Canterbury University and later a graduate of The National Academy of Performing
Arts, has created this revolutionary step-by-step training system which will
give you the means to becoming irresistibly attractive. Hence enabling you to
gain the relationship and life that you want. Whether it is on stage or in real
life we all know the "x" factor when we see it! But can we produce
our own individual "x factor"? In this book Matthew Whiting's radical
new approach to "being irresistibly attractive" will show you how
to: Master these personal strategies to become more Charismatic: · Learn
how to be master of your own intention · Taking action
· Being a successful leader
· Learning confidence
· ...and a lot more...
Master these personal strategies for more Passion: · How to be funny
· Leaving a lasting impression
· How to utilize the power of speech
· Extraordinary kissing
· Flirting - a delightful, innocent, and respectful way to play with
each other!
· ...and a lot more...(18 Chapters in total!) This book is jam-packed
with tonnes of information, (185 A4-size pages). It is written in a tongue-in-cheek
manner which is easy to follow, and you are sure to enjoy. Once you experience
the marvelous changes that Matthew Whiting enables you to make, you can shape
your relationships and other life circumstances exactly as you'd like them to
be." http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades 2) How to create sexual
chemistry! This one looks interesting -- we need a review!
http://www.attractwomennow.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi/Cliffslist 3)
Welcome to CheekyCherry.co.uk, home of what has been called the bible of 'attracting
women, keeping them and sleeping with them'.
http://www.cheekycherry.co.uk/Main_categories/seduction_and_dating/dating_guide.html
4) Courses for women to seduce men!
http://www.ihrt.co.uk/seductionsystems/text%20gals.htm 5) Guys Guide to Girls
- A guide to relationships. How to overcome shyness and understand your partner...
http://www.philipov.com/guys1.htm 6) Wally's Seduction Tips for Desperate Bachelors
http://www.wallyandmurk.com/wally/sedution/Wallymag.html 7) Help with seduction
- for women who want to seduce men.
http://www.seducehim.com/
8) The website reads as follows and we need someone's review of this: "Ladies!
Never date a stranger unless you've checked him out first!
Fortunately, a basic background check is an easy thing to do, via the telephone
and the Internet. In just a matter of minutes, you can find out a great deal
on your own about any potential date (or even your fiance' or husband) using
the simple, free background check techniques described in our new "how-to"
manual.
CHECK HIM OUT FIRST! "Check Him Out! - The American Woman's Guide to Background
Investigations" guides you through the entire background check process
using clear, nontechnical language. You'll be amazed to learn that there's a
lot that can be done just by using the telephone intelligently!
Without even touching a computer, you can usually verify someone's name, address,
age, occupation, and even marital status over the telephone if you know which
government public records office to call and what information to ask for. "Check
Him Out!" is written for you -- the American woman with no knowledge of
public records and background checks, but with a need to do some quick basic
checking. It's easy to follow, and while it won't make you a seasoned "gumshoe,"
it will make you quite knowledgeable about the subject and will teach you all
you need to know to conduct a thorough basic background check on your own --
plus, it will show you where and how to get competent, reasonably priced help
if you later decide you want a more complex, in-depth background check done.
All this for $11.95 is hard to beat!" http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/washres
9) For those of you interested in being a bigger man, check out: http://www.angelfire.com/amiga/yourown/bigdickie.htm
10)What Every Man Should Know About Women! Learn the secrets to getting more
dates
than you thought were possible in the year 2001. What works, and what doesn't
work. How to spend less money and less time, to meet more women, and get more
dates. Self-Improvement skills for single men is what this material is all about!
Don't waste your time and money, get the facts on how to find Love efficiently
and effectively! Tired of not getting Lucky? Luck is when preparation meets
opportunity.
These Articles are guaranteed to teach you how to get and stay prepared, and
how to use the Internet to find more dates than you thought possible.
The information in these Articles will produce Ten Times the results of any
professional dating service. This material includes everything you need to get
own track. You need not purchase any other books. Our Total price for everything
is only $19.95 with a full
refund guarantee, if not 200% satisfied that this material will pay for itself
many
times over. http://www.howmengetdates.com/ 11) A long time subscriber to these
emails, Kenrick Cleveland was one of Ross Jeffries first teachers. These days
he is well known as the author of Max Persuasion, a course designed to help
people in all their pursuits in life that require the ability to persuade. I
have seen many reviews highly recommending his products but we could use one
for this list in relation to seduction. You can check it out
at:
http://www.maxpersuasion.com/cgi-bin/content/clickthru.cgi?content=Cliff604
What you should do is click on this link and then sign up for his free email
Influence Tip newsletters.
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