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Cliff's Comment:
Two nights ago I was out with a few friends and we ended up at this club. One
of them starts talking to this very attractive woman and I was with him and
I got introduced. He suddenly left me with her and I was talking with her when
she asks me if I am single. I tell her yes and she tells me that she's been
married for 9 years. After that, I talk to her a couple of minutes and then
leave and join my friend (in case you don't know, I am not into married women).
While with him, I tell him that she's married (which makes no difference to
him) and I told him Major Mark's famous question that he says he has asked probably
10,000 women (who he had seen for hypnotherapy in his clinic) "If you could
have a wild, passionate sexual affair with someone you were attracted to that
you knew would not affect your primary relationship, would you do it?"
Mark says that he hasn't had any of them say no (although I have personally
had a few say no that I asked a long time ago), and my friend thought this was
brilliant so he went over and asked her. She said she would, answering him without
a moment's hesitation. Nothing ended up happening (she was there with her company
attending the annual Xmas party, so it isn't surprising, on reflection, that
she wouldn't want any of her co-workers to see her acting slutty) but it got
me thinking. It is a well known old adage that "a man is free when he's
single and a woman is free when she's married." What also occurred to me,
in relation to my own experience is how men get their fulfillment from work
and when that is going well have an easier time to focus on women. It is said,
however, that how women get their fulfillment through having children and family.
Put all this together and once you have a woman who has her children and a settled
home life, does this mean that at that point she feels free and is most likely
to indulge in extra-marital activities? If we can put away the politically correct
response that this probably immediately engenders, it seems to me to be a natural
progression. What do you think?
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stRiPPed:
(Commenting on Stephane: I used to be into Virgin Mary's. Now I want my horses
to be trained.)
Okay, can you back that statement up? What are the relative advantages and disadvantages
of a beautiful young horse that's easy to train and eager to please compared
to one that's been around and knows the whole race course?
Stephane's reply: It's easier to stick your dick in her ass if she is pre-trained.
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CPowles100:
(Commenting on NB: What you are saying makes no sense to me. When was the last
time a woman said "He is so fat and ugly but I feel so good around him
that I just want to
jump his bones every time I see him.")
They never say that. But here is the genius of chick logic. Instead, they convince themselves that he's good-looking. They say, "He's so cute and sexy that I just want to jump his bones..." This may be the same fat and ugly guy, but he's convinced them (and they've convinced themselves) that he is sexual and desirable.
(Commenting on: "MB: Can you honestly say that when a woman meets you
for the first time for a few minutes and has no attraction whatsoever you can
keep her engaged long
enough to develop an emotional connection and that would be enough? NO women
I have ever met has admitted that she slept with a guy she was not at least
a bit attracted to in some way as long as she was sober."):
This is a defeatist mind set. A lot of women sleep with guys they aren't attracted
to AT FIRST. But over time (be it ten minutes or two months), they can become
attracted to that guy. How? They call it magic, chemistry, whatever. But you
and I know what it really is...
Furthermore, it sounds like you depend too much on alcohol as a crutch.
Alcohol just gives a lot of women an excuse to do what they already want to
do deep inside. You can give them that excuse without alcohol.
(Commenting On: "There was someone who posted recently who said he was
at a club and all the hottest women went home with men of their choosing at
the end of the night. Do you think that was a result of them developing a deep
emotional connection at the club? Sorry to burst your bubble but all things
being equal the more attractive guy will get laid more often than the less attractive
guy if they used the same techniques equally well. But at the same time you
do need to address a woman's needs emotionally to keep her around.
I suggest you get some more real life experience as opposed to what you get
from books and courses."):
Again, I see your point here, and overall you are right. But it is framed in a self-defeating attitude about looks. Yes, women can be into looks and giggle over attractive guys. But at the same time, the guy who looks more interesting, or more dangerous, or more exciting can win out. And we are only talking about first impressions. We've been through this a million times here. So try thinking about it this way: at the end of the night, the women go home not with the guys who are the best looking, but with the guys who are the least boring. (Plus, who says women go home with the men "of their choosing." That's what I used to think. I choose women now, and if I can let them THINK that they chose me, all the better.)
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Halbmike (Commenting on: "Sumfuka: Where is a good place to meet wings besides that push board or whatever. I mean where do cool twenty something dudes hang out besides bars and work? I am 26."):
Go to New Age groups, meditation groups. The women are highly suggestible,
often good looking, and the ratio is great. I love shoe stores. I think the
only thing a women enjoys more than an orgasm is a shoegasm : ) Yoga, Pilates,
and gyrotonic classes are great. Organic restaurants. Conventions are great.
Those in NY City should get the schedule from the Javitz Center. I especially
like fitness conventions and seminars for personal trainers. My favorite places
include book stores and gyms because that is where I can meet the types of women
that I like.
A good tactic is to ASK where you're at. I like to go to trendy hotels, restaurants
and bars in an area and ask where the hot spots are and what the hot activities
are. Play tourist, even if you're in your home town...especially in your hometown.
Ask a woman or couple (if the woman looks like the type you'd like to meet)
where to hang out in this town. Get multiple suggestions from them. Use the
concierge at a hotel.
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Joseph: (Commenting on: Mark B. commenting on: "Joseph: It's been a long
time since someone with so many limiting beliefs as this has posted on this
list. I just had to say something."
MB: When I hear guys make comments like this I laugh because I know that your
opinions are based on what you read and heard about and not real life and real
world experience."):
I was commenting about your attitude about rejection. I don't get rejected,
in the real world, but sometimes a woman puts me in a category or "dating
frame" because she is ignorant of the opportunity she is missing. Either
she has the wool over her eyes, or she has bad taste. Either way, she is the
one missing out, because 99.99% of the men on this earth can't do what I can
do with women. So they get stuck with a man who doesn't have the power to give
them an orgasm by anchoring it and giving it to them anytime they want with
just a touch.
Who is missing out more? Me or her? There are plenty of other women who are
smart enough to see the opportunity and take it when it is offered.
In my real world experience I agree that if you hide your intent, you get shot
down. Anytime I have tried to "hook up" with a woman on some other
pretext besides getting to know her, I have failed. However, I would be being
very dishonest if I used your approach.
I guess you can tell just by looking at a woman that you want to spend "passionate
nights" with her. I can't. What if she can't string three words together
to make a sentence? What if she is frigid? What if she has no sense of humor
and brings everyone around her down with her poor energy?
I am not being indirect when using SS. I let a woman know she is attractive
on the walk-up by a sincere compliment, but MY intent is to find out whether
she is the kind of person I'd like to get to know better. I don't know I'm going
to want to fuck her until we've talked.
(Commenting on: "I think this whole post shows Mark's belief that WOMEN are the prize and not the PUA. I wonder if you have studied any seduction techniques whatsoever or are you just making this up?" MB: Yes, to me women are the prize. And why not? Unless you are a model, wealthy beyond belief, or a celebrity you will have to work to get her."):
Or if you had more fully learned the SS tapes you bought and learned the techniques, you would be the one who can make women hallucinate and have orgasms just by talking to you. Then you would be much more valuable than a rock star or millionaire. Even if you didn't show your intent and happen to just do it for fun with a couple chicks who you were talking with. Then they would be telling their friends and you would be the guy who sends women into states of ecstasy just by talking.
(Commenting on"...bought SS (ask Ross), Double Your Dating, & Doc Love's "The System." I keep in touch with Dennis Neder almost daily and read his book Being a Man in a Woman's World, as well as How to Succeed with Women by Louis and Copeland and the one by Anthony Badalamenti as well as How to Make Anyone Fall in Love with You (Leill Loundes), Secrets of Seduction, Dating in the 90's and others. I check www.askmen.com and www.sosuave.com everyday and have about 7 years of experience and about 100 women under my belt. So there. But it comes down to being direct, open and realizing that you cannot be everything to everyone and that is fine."):
I have studied most of what you mentioned as well and I look back and laugh at almost everything but the SS and Sis's stuff. Those stupid "dating books" kept me from getting laid quite a few times. Sis's stuff isn't nearly as powerful, but it gives some great ideas about being funny and having a fun time with teasing people harmlessly.
(Commenting on: "When I walk up to a woman, I am not asking her for anything.
I am having a friendly conversation, like I would with a man. If I walk up to
a man and ask for the time and he says, "Fuck off, asshole," did I
get rejected or did I just find out that this is an asshole who I don't want
to get to know?"
MB: You were rejected and you found out he was an asshole. Let's stop kidding
ourselves. But it was mostly his problem due to his bad attitude and not yours."):
Precisely. Perhaps our definitions of rejection are different. In my world, to get rejected you have to "try out for something." You know, like a job application or a position on a sports team. I never try out for positions as HB's lovers or boyfriends. However, I do give them a chance to fill out an application themselves. If they don't want to take it, I don't consider that I'm being rejected. If I thought of it like that, then I guess I would think that every American who isn't attending Harvard has rejected Harvard's offer to accept students. After all, they DID make the applications available.
(Commenting on: "If an HB is going to get me attracted to her, she will
have to show me some serious personality because looks aren't enough for me.
MB: Looks do matter to me as well as her personality. I would rather though
sleep with a HB10 with a poor attitude than a HB7 with a great one - unfair?
Maybe. Do I care? No."):
Well me too. I usually only give "applications" to HB 9's and 10's. Doesn't mean they'll pass.
(Commenting on: "If you walk up to what you call an HB10 and try an opener
on her, and she's got a 20 IQ, and can't understand what you're asking, do you
still get rejected?
MB: Well, what if you walk up to a hot babe and she has an IQ of 31.264?
You say hello and she walks off but you chase her and tell her you have an IQ
of 124. She stops and chats and you go for her number but she takes yours. She
says she is busy and has a boyfriend and says she does not have time but smiles
then runs off and says she will call you - did you get rejected?
What nonsense and who cares? Bottom lines is it went nowhere.
Yeah I like that. "It went nowhere." "We didn't connect." Seems alot better attitude than saying "She rejected me."
(Commenting on: "One of Ross's main teachings is that an SSer never gets
rejected, he just finds out whether a women has good taste. It might seem arrogant,
but it is the truth. If a woman is not doing anything, a man comes up to talk
to her with a friendly disposition, and she acts like a bitch...then he walks
away. He has rejected her because she is a close minded bitch, and therefore
there is no point in talking to her. She fucked herself up because of her decadent,
self-centered attitude.
MB: To me that is the wrong attitude to live with. How do you know she lost
out? Good taste in what? You? Maybe you are not her type..."):
That is a socially programmed meme that has been put into her head. People are individuals, not types. If she could step outside of her box, she might be able to find something more fulfilling than "her type." If a woman has a type, but no boyfriend, then she has obviously chosen the wrong type. Of course, they keep going after that type even when it doesn't fulfill them because humans are creatures of habit. A good PUA can break her outta that.
(Commenting on: "or she does not like your hair..."):
Well, then she just needs to stick around to hear the "Looking vs. Seeing
Pattern." If she doesn't, no sweat, let her stick to "her type"
and wait years between orgasms as the majority of women do.
What truly fulfills women is her "type" of seduction, not her "type"
of man. Ross teaches guys how to elicit her perfect seduction, and then put
it into use. Sometimes we have to show them that this is true, cuz they usually
don't know.
(Commenting on: "...or she has a boyfriend or is not into men and being with you would not serve her purpose at the moment."):
Cool, then we can be friends...unless of course her boyfriend is only fulfilling a role. After all, my intent wasn't to fuck her, it was to find out if she was the kind of person I'd like to get to know better.
(Commenting on: "Perhaps being with you would set her back in her mind."):
Then it's my job to change her mind and show her the error of her ways, if I choose to accept her "application."
(Commenting on: "You are not the answer to every woman's wish and desire as you might want to believe, only to some women. Ross wants you to imbed that into your head in order to make you feel better about yourself but it does not address the reality that you are not the answer to every woman's wish and neither am I. The moment you accept that you can feel better about being rejected is the moment when you stop taking it personally."):
But that's my whole point. If I were applying for a job, and I did my very
best, but someone right next to me got the job instead, I'd feel defeated, rejected.
But if I were just talking to the owner to have fun, and mention that I'd like
to work in a place like this, then he might not offer me a job for many reasons,
not just because I'm not worthy. Hell, like you said, she might not be accepting
applications, so how can you get rejected if there's no job to apply for?
(Commenting on: "...In fact, I believe that it's better to assume you are not the answer to every woman's needs, only a select few. This is the truth and when things do not go your way it's easier to accept that you were not what she was looking for."):
It's easier for me to look back and see how I didn't present the opportunity in the correct way to her. Then I learn something from it.
(Commenting on: "Your comment about Brad Pitt shows that you could know
more about women and their attraction process. If Brad Pitt had the limiting
beliefs that you had, then he might not be getting laid too much himself. Women
aren't dependent upon physical looks for attraction the way men are.
MB: What you are saying makes no sense to me. When was the last time a woman
said "He is so fat and ugly but I feel so good around him that I just want
to jump his bones every time I see him." To me it's a package of the physical
as well as the emotional just like you would not sleep with a HB10 if she was
a total bitch."):
But haven't you seen beautiful, fun women with Jabba the Hut look alikes? I have. I'm sure the fat didn't attract them. It must have been something else....
(Commenting on: "...guy in the office has a brother who comes to visit him once a month who looks like Alec Baldwin. Whenever he comes in all the women here, about 6 of them all cream their pants and all admit they would sleep with him right away. He does not validate their feelings but just looks hot and they want him."):
Yes, I know a few guys like that. However, there are many women who won't sleep
with guys who are so attractive because he doesn't realize his own attractiveness
and kisses ass when he meets a girl he really likes.
If Brad started developed a crush on Penelope Cruz and acted silly over her,
supplicating and kissing ass, he might not get that pussy.
(Commenting on: "They are attracted first by emotions, not body parts.
If I walk up to an ugly wart hog chick, and tell her she has a nice purse, and
she acts like a bitch, would you say that I got rejected? I wasn't requesting
anything, just making an observation. When I walk away, I have rejected her
for being a closed minded sheep.
MB: Can you honestly say that when a woman meets you for the first time for
a few minutes and has no attraction whatsoever you can keep her engaged long
enough to develop an emotional connection and that would be enough?"):
Well, I'm no master. I hope to be able to one day. I think that if a woman is turned off by you on the initial approach, it's pretty tuff to install attraction. But if she's just neutral, then you can install it if you're good enough. Unless you smell or something, you're usually at least going to be neutral in her eyes. Unless of course she is a snob, in which case who wants her anyway?
(Commenting on: "NO women I have ever met has admitted that she slept with a guy she was not at least a bit attracted to in some way as long as she was sober. What if you say to her "I am great at validating your emotional needs so date me."):
Well I try my best not to date, but sometimes they seem to put me in that frame, and that's when I actually do "strike out"; if I let them put me there it's because of my own lack of skills.
(Commenting on: "Here this is how I can make you feel" - nonsense.
There was someone who posted recently who said he was at a club and all the
hottest women went home with men of their choosing at the end of the night.
Do you think that was a result of them developing a deep emotional connection
at the club?"):
I think that no one gave them a deep connection at the club, so they settled. Doesn't necessarily need to be emotional- the experience needed depends upon the woman.
(Commenting on: "They are attracted by the emotions they feel as a result of them feeling good about being attracted to you. Sorry to burst your bubble but all things being equal the more attractive guy will get laid more often than the less attractive guy if they used the same techniques equally well."):
That's probably true unless the girl has deservedness issues or believes the guy must be a player cuz he's way too fine to actually want something more than sex. Or if she sees the confidence in the hot guy as arrogance but sees the ugly guy's confidence as strength. There are thousands of variables.
(Commenting on: "But at the same time you do need to address a woman's needs emotionally to keep her around. I suggest you get some more real life experience as opposed to what you get from books and courses."):
Well, I'm 29 years old and I've spent alot more time in my life talking, dating,
connecting with, and meeting with women than reading about them.
What's really great, though, is being able to post here and on the SS list about
my failures in real life. Then I get good feedback about what I did wrong, so
that I won't do it again.
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Mark B.:
(Commenting on: "TGB Commenting on: "Mark B: P.S. I got to give you
brownie points for
trying.
P.S.S. Where to you want to meet for lunch?
RP" See, she did not hide or get upset or try to bite my head off or take
great offence to what I said but actually appreciated the offer....."):
She is in a situation of accumulating force for future fights with her husband,
I believe. You just got some brownie points. Can you spell b-r-o-w-n-i-e p-o-i-n-t?
P.S.: Do you know her husband? Does she have a phone line........."):
Comments on above:
She is a friend of 12 years. We have never been romantic but we worked together
for about 7 years while I was in high school and then in University and kept
in
touch after. She is not yet married but will chain herself to her current fiancé
next summer. By brownie points do you mean "the brown point" - maybe
she is into anal? Do you think this was her implicit way of telling me something?
Perhaps. I think that when I ask her in person she will have a different response.
I have her cell number as well as her private e-mail address. She is 25, 5'11",
blonde, who used to model in her teenage years.
I am seeing her on the 14 of Dec for lunch, let's see what happens.
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Maximillian Hell: (Commenting on: "MB: It's extremely simple. I say "Hello.
My name is
Mark. I could not help but notice you. I think you are stunning." I get
her response and then I say "I wanted to let you know that you are hot,
I find you attractive and it would be great if we had a chance to get to know
each other for the possibility of having great times together and perhaps many
nights filled with passion." That's it. Then she will say "I have
a boyfriend," " I am married...." [snip]"):
Are you running BF and husbore destroyers at this point? If so, what kind?
(Commenting on: "NightLight9 commenting on Mark B.'s comments on tanning. I agree that tanning is a great technique. It makes you LOOK healthier with a better complexion and more rugged. (worked for JFK...) It works just as well for women. Don't over do it, but I think it's a great tool."):
Guys: You gotta think long term. Sure tans look great--but there is no such
thing as a healthy tan. Sure JFK and Cary Grant could get away with it back
in the day, we had an ozone layer back then. You should be wearing sunscreen
everyday, even in winter. This year some sun damage showed up on my cheek, and
it looks fucking gross to me. (My dermatologist says that it doesn't look so
bad: "Max you have so little sun damage, your friends are going to be jealous
of you for decades.") I am an insomniac bookworm/barfly who rarely sees
the light of day. In my early 20's I knew an HB10 who also happened to be a
genius. I thought she was weird for wearing sunscreen every day, even in the
winter (and this is in the ever-cloudy Pacific
Northwest!) Now I realize that she was even smarter than I thought.
Neutrogena has a great sunscreen in stick form: its almost completely invisible.
Don't just think skin cancer, it'll slow down other signs of aging as well.
Cliff's Comment: I dated a stripper last year who said that a guy with a tan was a huge attraction. Those who know me know I am Mr. Pale and stay out of the sun like poison (it is the number one cause of making people look older) so while I appreciated the advice, the trade off isn't worth it to me.
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Jeff:
(Commenting on: NightLight9: OK more on (near) kiss openers. I did some more
work on this weekend hanging with MTL_PUA. I would guess I kissed about 15 girls
in the 4 days we hung out. Quite a few with only a sentence intro. Still not
quite a kiss opener (which I and MTL_PUA have done). These were in bars and
in the street after the bars let out. MTL_PUA kind of helped me figure out the
structure.
Walk up with a big smile. Invade her space. Talk slowly and confidently Keep
invading her space until you are close enough to put your arms around her. If
they look you in the eye, it's over. Lean in. Pick her up off the ground. Turn
her a little in the air. Put her down. Kiss her...
The talking part doesn't matter too much about what, but be very sexual in your
tone and don't use 'lines'. You are making a connection, but the connection
is non-verbal. The talking is more just an excuse for the physical communication
going on underneath.
The picking up off the ground is important, I don't do it every time, but more
often than not and some situations I believe it's required (thanks MTL_PUA for
picking up on this and field testing it, BTW). My theory is that doing this
causes her to see you as very masculine and breaks the touching barrier in a
less sexual way than the direct kiss. (Note I think that in some case you could
even come out and say you have beautiful breasts and touch them after this with
no kiss, but I haven't field tested this since I
like kissing so much and I know it will fail more than kissing which has never
failed after I've picked them up).
Two examples (that have some talking because otherwise it reads just like what
I wrote above).
1) Walk up to a girl in the street.
NL9 In fake French/Italian accent "Have you seen Thomas?" (accent
is important) (I call this my "Have you seen Thomas opener") HBInnocent
No
NL9 He was right here... <circling around her but looking for someone else,
this misdirection takes some of the pressure of my approach off> HBInnocent
Really...
NL9 Uh, huh, but I don't see him now. <getting closer, her friend watching>
What kind of pizza is that? <my accent is fading out> HBInnocent It's
from over there.
NL9 Looks good.
HBInnocent Here have some. <I take her hand, and feed myself the pizza>
<I pick her up, turn her a little and put her down.> <I kiss her>
NL9 I wonder where he is. That's good pizza. <this convo is necessary to
continue natural interaction...>
<Kiss her again>
<eat some more pizza>
HBInnocent What happened to your accent?
NL9 Which one? <mischievous giggling/laughing> <unzip her coat>
<Unzip her sweatshirt>
<one hand rubs nipple through t-shirt and bra, another reach up back of shirt
and rubs back>
Kiss her again"):
BULLSHIT!
Cliff's Comment: On your comment about NightLight9's kiss openers, I have met
NightLight9 and a few other guys who do this and, believe it or not, it is not
bullshit. Even Rick H. wrote about doing this sometime ago and Ross has done
it himself. It actually says all the right things and the women think this is
incredibly romantic. But I am glad you made the comment because I am sure there
are others out there thinking the same thing and just didn't say anything.
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GameMaster:
Rodeo Pattern Redux':
Clifford, on Ross' request...this pattern was initially published three years
ago and was originally designed around riding a bull, but I found after a time
that women can't relate to this experience and I never got the maximum effect
I was looking for. I still use this imagery to get into state, but I've switched
the emphasis from bulls to horses. Now, living in the South you'd be hard pressed
to find a woman down here that doesn't absolutely love these animals. In fact,
I know several girls that pay up to $20K/yr for boarding and training of their
horses. And if you were to attend the Walking Horse Championships in my hometown
you would see a number of celebrities in attendance including the likes of Kim
Bassinger and Julia Roberts....get it? Anyway, enough setup but this is a good
example of a pattern you're passionate about that has evolved and improved out
of mistakes and abject failure. I also learned that a lot of women were concerned
about the safety element associated with these events, but not for the riders,
they're concerned about the goddamn bulls and horses that are trying their best
to KILL the riders! Anyway, you don't have to be a cowboy to use this and I
never make reference to actually having had the experience but you could introduce
it like.....
"You know, I was watching TV with my friend Lisa last week and she was
flipping channels and she kept coming back to this rodeo program. They were
having this bareback bronc event and after we watched a few minutes I noticed
Lisa was becoming extremely turned on just watching these guys mount their ride,
and work in the chute. She was reaching a fairly high state of arousal when
during a break, this animal psychologist came on and was talking about how well
these animals are treated....he even said it was like their own sport, a competition
for the animals. But when you think about it, what could happen, this guy climbs
on top of you 3-4 times a week and you buck like crazy until it's over and get
to enjoy all that untamed freedom over and over again. But you know, when you
think about the way you might feel when you stop...and imagine the excitement
and anticipation of actually riding a bronc. I wonder what it would be like,
if you were to picture yourself standing on the gate, straddling that chute,
and looking down at this huge muscular beast....and you can feel his hot breath
on you even before you come... to the point where you ease yourself down. And
then you feel all this rock hardness under you and your legs are stretched so
tight....and you can feel these muscles pulsing underneath you trying to rip
you apart and you just think...."Oh my God"! And then, as the tension
starts to build, and your pulse starts to race, it seems like you are almost
frozen in time but you really don't know how many minutes have passed. And then,
all of a sudden....just before you begin to lose consciousness, you mysteriously
become aware of a number of things....like the beating of your heart, and the
rhythm of your breathing in time with this magnificent beast below me, and you
know when this ride is over, you'll want to climb back on, again.. and again...
and again. And then as you tighten your grip, and you know it's time when you
come.....to raise your hand almost as if to signal....you're about to have an
orgasm which lasts a full 8 seconds but it seems like an eternity in your mine
and is the most intensely powerful thing you've ever experienced.....with me
at least. And then you walk away and you look back and just smile, because you
know in your heart (point at her tits) it was all worth it...and you can't wait
for your next ride."
Guys, take a girl horseback riding sometime....you are practically guaranteed
to get laid. There is something mystical about the way they "connect"
with horses...not to mention the natural stimulation they feel in the saddle.
: )
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PRODUCTS AND LINKS (There's some NEW STUFF in here, and I will try and put something new in here as often as possible):
For those of you who are just reading about this for the first time, I decided a couple of emails ago to add links to these emails. The idea would be to get enough money in to hire someone to take over the administrative work (and also to buy things which would improve this list, such as proper mailing list software) for this list. If you were going to buy the product anyway, just use the link that appears below and you are helping to keep this list going at no extra cost to anyone.
NON SEDUCTION-RELATED SITES
One of the more useful links I have set up is to amazon.com -- I know I buy
a lot from them and I am sure that many of you also do. So I arranged a link
with them and you can now buy from them and help out this email newsletter at
the same time. If anyone has any other suggestions of sites that would be a
good one for me to set up a link to, please let me know.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/nositeihaveap-20 For those in
the U.K., this should work: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=cliffslist-21&site=amazon
Here's a way for you to accept credit cards on your site today: http://zzz.clickbank.net/r/?cliffslist
RECOMMENDED LIST
DOUBLE YOUR DATING One of the best places for you to start your journey on becoming
more successful with women would be to get David DeAngelo's Double Your Dating
e-book. David (who posts here under the name "Sisonpyh" -- which is
"hypnosis" spelled backwards) is a good friend that I have known for
several years now that I originally met through one of Ross's Speed Seduction
seminars. His posts here have been among the most outstanding contributions
I have had over the years and his book (and the free bonuses) is highly recommended.
http://www.doubleyourdating.com/cl/ HOW TO SUCCEED WITH WOMEN Ron Louis and
David Copeland have been reading these emails for awhile and recently sent me
their Mastery Program Tape series which I have finished listening to. It has
some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you
can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those
who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent
basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For
those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set
of tapes.
http://www.howtosucceedwithwomen.com/cgi-bin/at.cgi?a=169700 SEVEN MAGIC WORDS
Comments on this product from Tony B.:
I thought I might drop you a quick line regarding some of the more popular sites
that have been seen within this "seduction community." After seeing
several terrible reviews and "flames" from alt.seduction.fast, I decided
to make a decision for myself based upon my own ideas of what could be offered
on the Seven Magic Words product and after several months of reading great novels
about how to attract women and multiple posts about how women are most attracted
to men, I STILL found the site to be beneficial. After joining the site, I was
happy to learn all the new techniques that I have never seen on any list and
that alone made it worth the money. I am not typically the type of person that
spends money on a site especially a seduction site, I would rather pay for some
audio or video, but the information that was offered was different and unequal
to anything I have seen in the past. At any rate, I know you wanted a review..
and I have actually come to know the owner, and he puts more attention in his
members area than I would expect to see from any other site.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/smackudown DATING INSIDER Not only does
this next site give you an unconditional 1 year no risk money back guarantee,
but it stands alone and it's program is unmatched. Right now they're doing a
Free Trial period, and I'd take advantage of this while you can. The site reads
"Learn the proven secrets for meeting, attracting, and seducing women.
From A - Z, you'll discover the most advanced techniques for picking up women
ever developed." Check out their Free Trial (before it ends) and you'll
see why their members like this program so much. Click on
http://www.dating-insider.com/international/welcome.html.
How to Lay Girls Guide The ultimate SEDUCTION SECRETS database: http://www.layguide.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=Cliffslist
NEW RECOMMENDATIONS:
I have finished reading The Sexual Key and it is one of the best works I have
read about understanding the language that women respond to. I give this a strong
recommendation and the price is right, too. The book, and/or its companion book,
Gut Instinct (which I will be reviewing) can be downloaded off the net for $39.97
each or $49.97 for both.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist.sexualkey
THE UNKNOWN! (Not reviewed)
HYPNO-TECH Here's another one which I think has been reviewed here in the past
but I haven't gone through the old emails to check. "Do You Want To Know
A Simple, Two Minute Hypnotic Technique That Lets YOU Secretly Put Any Woman
Into An Instant Trance And Persuades Her To Ask YOU Out?
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/hypnotech ADVANCED MACKING Advanced Macking
has one of the most enticing websites. An updated review would also be welcome.
http://links.verotel.com/cgi-bin/showsite.verotel?vercode=66629804000000274976
This one also looked pretty interesting. The link for more information on breakups
and loving-styles is http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/Tigress Success Secrets
Our free newsletter reveals it all Money and Personal Finance secrets; Business
& Marketing secrets; Health, Fitness, and Weight-Loss advice; Self Defense
secrets; Memory Improvement tips; Smart Advice on Flirting, Dating, Sex, and
Relationships; Personal Development tips; Communication and Negotiation tips;
Tax Secrets & Loopholes!
Investment and Stock Market tips; and Much More http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/prodeskcom
The Ultimate Guide to Powerful Relationships is only $8.95 and looks very interesting.
Comments, please. http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades Here's a new
one I found which needs to be reviewed: "Guys! Get More Pussy with our
Adult Personals Inside Secrets Guide! Plus! Free Survey Results of Women Using
Personals for Sex The Guide contains the following Inside Secrets Replying to
ads - how to get noticed and get a date for hot sex.
Placing ads - how to beat the competition and get lots of replies How to handle
follow up communication to keep her interested. Examples of replies that worked
on us. You can just copy and paste these into your ads or replies. Saves you
time and increases your chances! A directory of the best websites for meeting
hot women! Sick of chicks who are only into cybersex and nothing else! The Guide
contains a list of the best adult personals sites."
http://secure.ibill.com/cgi-win/ccard/rscookie.exe?RevShareID=9804000000274976&
returnto=http://www.mysexinfo.com
Secrets of Power Persuasion! A course by Jian Wang to teach you how to write
hypnotic language to make others obey your command.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/mrchange (if this doesn't work, try this:
http://www.mrchange.com/?hop=cliffslist.mrchange, but both worked for me) Arte's
New Sex Video is kind of interesting. He shows a lot about playing with a woman's
g spot (which he demonstrates on his comely girlfriend - but I could have done
without seeing your dick, Arte). I will do a more extensive review after I have
watched it again more carefully: http://amos.simonweb.com/loveebook/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=lrec
HERE'S A NEW ONE
Suspect your spouse of cheating on you? Check this out http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/spouse1
FREE PLUGS
The following are all recommended but clicking on the links and buying from
them doesn't send any money back here (it is also recommended that the sponsors
of these sites consider setting this up -- from the little experience I have
had since I started the commercial section a couple of weeks ago, I think you
are missing a lot of business by not doing this) http://www.speed-seduction.com/
- The # 1 source; read the free newsletters & get the basic course.
http://www.trucor.com/ - Major Mark's site, the place to learn hypnosis and
about married women
http://www.essential-skills.com/ - learn anchoring, tonality, rapport, goal
getting, etc.
http://www.davidshade.com/ Give women incredible pleasure get David Shade's
Manual
http://www.fastseduction.com/ - great resource, a must visit http://www.sosuave.com/
- lots of free materials, many good ideas and articles http://www.mindcontrolmanual.com/
- seduce men and women through the power of the mind
http://www.oscarbruce.com/ - All his books deal with perusasion, manipulation
and a mild form of seduction. Books like School for Scoundrels focus on getting
your way with people and getting them to see things your way.
Get on Mystery's Lounge - send him an email at [email protected] (note
this new email address) with REQUEST MEMBERSHIP in the subject line.
Include your REAL name, your experience, background in the PUA, some online
PUA's who can vouch for you (references), and a real pic of yourself. If you
do not wish to give this REAL information, don't join. Only the PRO's are in
there anyways - we discuss lots of stuff but it's the REAL pix of our conquests
and the fact that we don't HIDE who we are to each other that makes it appealing.
MANY of the members Mystery has personally sarged with.
The rule is simple don't fuck up anyone's game. If you can abide by that and
have a track record for contributing, then that's basically good as gold. Pix
are a requirement, however. The Lounge is in many ways an EXTENSION of Cliff's
List and is not an alternative. You don't have to be a PRO, but you MUST play
the game. If you are only WANTING to ONE DAY chase skirts, please don't bother
joining.
Mystery is now offering his in-field Mystery Method (MM) BASIC TRAINING workshop
in several cities. Click www.mysterymethod.com for more information, workshop
locations, dates & to sign up.
Playerware which is designed specifically for men who like to date and interact
with a large number of women. The program is essentially an electronic chick
organizer. It contains features such as contact management, photo storage, an
electronic journal, a sophisticated rating and comparison system, date/interaction
tracking, as well as other unique features. Visit the site and you can get a
40 day free trial. Full registration is currently only
$15. http://www.playerware.com/default.asp?refid=10
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New Links to be explored (WE NEED THESE REVIEWED!): 1) The website reads as
follows and we need someone's review of this: "Impress everybody! Make
your life happen on purpose! Matthew Whiting an English and Psychology graduate
from Canterbury University and later a graduate of The National Academy of Performing
Arts, has created this revolutionary step-by-step training system which will
give you the means to becoming irresistibly attractive. Hence enabling you to
gain the relationship and life that you want. Whether it is on stage or in real
life we all know the "x" factor when we see it! But can we produce
our own individual "x factor"? In this book Matthew Whiting's radical
new approach to "being irresistibly attractive" will show you how
to: Master these personal strategies to become more Charismatic: · Learn
how to be master of your own intention · Taking action
· Being a successful leader
· Learning confidence
· ...and a lot more...
Master these personal strategies for more Passion: · How to be funny
· Leaving a lasting impression
· How to utilize the power of speech
· Extraordinary kissing
· Flirting - a delightful, innocent, and respectful way to play with
each other!
· ...and a lot more...(18 Chapters in total!) This book is jam-packed
with tonnes of information, (185 A4-size pages). It is written in a tongue-in-cheek
manner which is easy to follow, and you are sure to enjoy. Once you experience
the marvelous changes that Matthew Whiting enables you to make, you can shape
your relationships and other life circumstances exactly as you'd like them to
be." http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades 2) How to create sexual
chemistry! This one looks interesting -- we need a review!
http://www.attractwomennow.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi/Cliffslist 3)
Welcome to CheekyCherry.co.uk, home of what has been called the bible of 'attracting
women, keeping them and sleeping with them'.
http://www.cheekycherry.co.uk/Main_categories/seduction_and_dating/dating_guide.html
4) Courses for women to seduce men!
http://www.ihrt.co.uk/seductionsystems/text%20gals.htm 5) Guys Guide to Girls
- A guide to relationships. How to overcome shyness and understand your partner...
http://www.philipov.com/guys1.htm 6) Wally's Seduction Tips for Desperate Bachelors
http://www.wallyandmurk.com/wally/sedution/Wallymag.html 7) Help with seduction
- for women who want to seduce men.
http://www.seducehim.com/
8) The website reads as follows and we need someone's review of this: "Ladies!
Never date a stranger unless you've checked him out first!
Fortunately, a basic background check is an easy thing to do, via the telephone
and the Internet. In just a matter of minutes, you can find out a great deal
on your own about any potential date (or even your fiance' or husband) using
the simple, free background check techniques described in our new "how-to"
manual.
CHECK HIM OUT FIRST! "Check Him Out! - The American Woman's Guide to Background
Investigations" guides you through the entire background check process
using clear, nontechnical language. You'll be amazed to learn that there's a
lot that can be done just by using the telephone intelligently!
Without even touching a computer, you can usually verify someone's name, address,
age, occupation, and even marital status over the telephone if you know which
government public records office to call and what information to ask for. "Check
Him Out!" is written for you -- the American woman with no knowledge of
public records and background checks, but with a need to do some quick basic
checking. It's easy to follow, and while it won't make you a seasoned "gumshoe,"
it will make you quite knowledgeable about the subject and will teach you all
you need to know to conduct a thorough basic background check on your own --
plus, it will show you where and how to get competent, reasonably priced help
if you later decide you want a more complex, in-depth background check done.
All this for $11.95 is hard to beat!" http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/washres
9) For those of you interested in being a bigger man, check out: http://www.angelfire.com/amiga/yourown/bigdickie.htm
10)What Every Man Should Know About Women! Learn the secrets to getting more
dates
than you thought were possible in the year 2001. What works, and what doesn't
work. How to spend less money and less time, to meet more women, and get more
dates. Self-Improvement skills for single men is what this material is all about!
Don't waste your time and money, get the facts on how to find Love efficiently
and effectively! Tired of not getting Lucky? Luck is when preparation meets
opportunity.
These Articles are guaranteed to teach you how to get and stay prepared, and
how to use the Internet to find more dates than you thought possible.
The information in these Articles will produce Ten Times the results of any
professional dating service. This material includes everything you need to get
own track. You need not purchase any other books. Our Total price for everything
is only $19.95 with a full
refund guarantee, if not 200% satisfied that this material will pay for itself
many
times over. http://www.howmengetdates.com/
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