Kiss Openers

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>NightLight9:
>Kiss Openers
>
>This the opener where I just walk up and kiss the girl with no
>verbals. I did a few close to this, this weekend. One was a one sentence to
>the kiss (the sentence was just fluff, everything was really non-verbal) and
>the other was about 2 minutes to the kiss, which is not an opener, but
>fairly quick. I don't know exactly how to make this work on paper, but
>I'll try.
>It must be clear that this is not a beginners move, so "if you try this at
>home, do so at your own risk/reward." I've only used it in bars.
>Anyway... It's really about where you are at with your state. I sort of
>get in this mode where I decide that lots of women want to kiss me, and I
>just have to find out which ones. When I walk up to a woman to open it's
>like looking for the prize under a bottle cap. Not everyone is an instant
>winner, but you find enough to make it worth looking. So, I walk up and
>try to kiss her, but your sensory acuity has to be very high. I watch for
>the same glazed over eyes, quivering lips and flushed face that I would to
>see if a girl would kiss me in general. There is more to this than just
>that, because I have done this from across the room without getting eye
>contact. In other words, I saw a girl and knew the kiss opener would
>work, so I walked over and started kissing her even though she never
>looked up. I could just
>tell. Back to the bottle cap analogy, with some of them you may not be an
>instant winner, but sometimes you can still win prize in the mail. In
>other words, if you move in to get the kiss, but for what ever reason it
>isn't there you can transition into a standard opener as long as you
>haven't gone so far as to commit to the kiss. I'm also not sure by any
>stretch that the failed kiss opener is a dead end unless she is actually
>freaked out by it and runs away, etc. To be clear, the move in for the
>kiss is very slow and deliberate, not fast and forceful. She has every
>opportunity to make it clear that she does or doesn't want to be kissed,
>but no opportunity to think it over. You can show no hesitancy, but also
>no eagerness. The art is in the slowness. The slow confidence. Too slow
>though and she will freak out. I would say it's about 2.5 seconds from the
>start of the head movement to the touch of the kiss.
>
>(Commenting on: "DoctorDick: I can't get in edgeways and anything I do
>try to put in looks like a lame add-on or just out of place. I really
>don't know what to do as in the area I live and the social situation I'm
>in, these are the type of environments I'm in constantly. I don't know how
>to knock other guys out of the water with efficiency and smoothness. Could
>someone please help me...")
>
>NightLight9 replies: Dude, you are in a bar situation. People go to bars
>to have fun not to get deep. So you need to build rapport and generate fun
>(should be easy, that's why they are there). Then at the right moment you
>can get deep, but only if it's demanded. Sounds like it's not, as everyone
>else is getting laid being funny... Think about the second sentence again
>and again. SS is all about generating positive states. You are in a place
>where people come to generate a positive state. Use it to your advantage.
>
>Nightlight9 asks Halbmike. Did those questions come from the book "if"?
>They were awesome, where did you get them? Who wrote "if"?
>
>(NightLight9 commenting on: "Gregory Rasputin: Well, maybe if there was a
>Webster's definition to GM then you could make a statement like that, but
>because there's no solid definition for it, you can't tell me what is and
>what isn't GM."):
>
>Actually, Nathan SZILARD coined term and the definition is pretty well
>understood by those who were there when he did it (to describe a specific
>person and later it was expanded to cover a genre). The usefulness of any
>jargon is weakened if we allow it to be improperly used. I agree that
>there is no one standard definition. GM is being over top with insulting
>and cocky attitude towards women followed with heavy kino, all with
>complete disregard for their comfort level.
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>Souris:
>I still not feel completely comfortable going to a club alone.
>What do you answer to the question 'Are you here alone?' to not
>come over as having no friends or just making up some stupid
>excuse.
>
>Cliff's Comment: I tend to go into places and, if asked, I respond that I
>am waiting for some friends to show up (which is true, only these are
>friends I haven't met yet...). If you end up spending a lot of time with
>someone or a group and they ask you later, it is really not unusual that
>people changed their plans and ended up not coming to a club as they were
>supposed to. This also goes back to David's rule #1 "who cares what they
>think?" It really shouldn't make any difference to you.
>
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>Ross: (Commenting on: "Marco: Are you sarging alone in NYC? How much
>faster could you learn if you had dozens of skilled wingmen right there
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>"hyper-seduction" by APPLYING any and all tools available to us. We not
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>out on the pavement, where it all happens. Our yahoo Jurassic Lair forum
>is one the BIGGEST in the world with nearly 100 members and we meet every
>3-4 weeks to trade notes and hit the streets together. Although we have
>many high-profile members attending our meetings (including Asiatic,
>Vinigarr, Mike2velli, Mearkin3, etc), Ross Jeffries the guru of the
>seduction world - came by personally, to tell us
>that what he heard and saw at our Lair was “pure GOLD!”"):
>
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>Mark B.:
>(Commenting on: "First, let me ask you a question. What do you guys think
>is THE ultimate
>KEY SUCCESS FACTOR in seducing a woman? Appearance? Confidence? Being cocky
>and funny? No, the MOST important key success factor to get laid is NOT
>appearance or
>being a jerk or being funny or whatever. It is simply TALKING. That's all
>there is to it. Just TALK to them."):
>
>I agree, partially. Sometimes just opening your mouth will cause a woman
>to ramble on forever but what do you talk about? You can talk about the
>WTC bombing or how attractive she is and how you want to set her pussy on
>fire. I have discovered the need to ask questions as well as make
>contributions to the conversation of your own thoughts and opinions. Good
>opening for me too is to talk first about something relevant about the
>situation based on where you are. Best is making your intent known right
>away, though.
>
>(Commenting on: "This brings me to the second secret I want to let you
>know, and THIS is a BIG one: FOR A PUA THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS
>REJECTION!!! Surprised? Well,
>I cannot express how surprised I was when I heard this revelation from a
>PUA friend! It opened a whole new world for me. Let me explain. In my
>previous AFC years, I didn't have the guts to approach and talk to a girl,
>just because I was too afraid to be rejected. Sounds familiar? Well, let
>me tell you that rejection is a misconception, it's something that doesn't
>have to exist. It's possible to NEVER get rejected!!! Ok, ok, I will
>explain this in detail. I found out that a real PUA never gets rejected,
>because............"):
>
>I have news for you. THERE IS SUCH A THING AS REJECTION, BUDDY. The more you
>face it the more you succeed. Besides, why are most guys so afraid of it
>anyways? It's a part of living. There are many things beyond your control,
>such as her attitude, her past scars, the type of man she is attracted to,
>her preferences, her mood, etc. that you should not be concerned about. I
>have learned that rejection is personal but I have little or no
>responsibility for it because if I know her only for a short time I have
>no or little influence over her ideas and attitudes. The only thing I can
>do is take a stand to see if she fits into my mold and take it from there.
>If she does not then that's part of the game. Next. But taking a stand and
>having a mold is important because if you try to mold yourself to everyone
>else you end up nowhere because people want value not something they
>already have which is themselves. By moulding yourself to others all we do
>is become more of them which is what most people are not interested in.
>
>(Commenting on: "He doesn't close EVERY TIME he talks to a girl. For me, I
>think about 90% of my approaches are now without a close. Most times
>because the HB isn't as attractive or fun as I thought she would be, or I
>didn't establish the amount of rapport for a close right away and decide
>to close her another time (i.e. an hour later) or maybe I just want to
>talk to her and nothing else (because I'm with my girlfriend, whatever)".)"
>
>I think this is more of a defence mechanism for someone that has been
>scarred with rejection. It's fine to walk away but do not use it as an
>excuse for not going for what you want. "or I didn't establish the amount
>of rapport for a close right away" - you never really know whether you
>have rapport - many times I thought I did only to get nowhere because they
>wanted
>to be "nice". Set the frame and work her within it. Forget getting rapport
>first. Go for what you want right away and then seek rapport.
>
>(Commenting on: "He DOESN'T APPEAR to pick her up. He just establishes a
>friendly
>conversation using a remark about her surroundings as a casual opener,
>listens to her, has fun and is very upbeat"):
>
>This could work if she is already interested in him. But if she is neutral
>then it could work against you.
>
>(Commenting on: "He doesn't close by asking for a DATE, but instead he
>offers her an
>OPPORTUNITY. For instance, I never say: "Do you want to go out with me?" but
>I present it as an opportunity. Last week I talked to a HB a about how great
>it is to ski on the slopes of a white mountain, enjoying the speed,
>feeling the warmth of the sun on your cheeks, blah, blah (patterning)"):
>
>I say "It would be good for us to go skiing together." I talked about
>this earlier. Never ask because that forces her to reveal herself and some
>HB's may not want to right away. This way at least you are making yourself
>part of the equation rather than just the skiing.
>
>(Commenting on: "My enthusiastic story got her excited and I said: "But
>before I go on holiday, I have to refine my techniques. So next week I'm
>going to (name of a familiar and popular indoor ski center in Holland)
>together with some friends." HB: "Oh, sounds great." Me: "You should join
>us next week! It'll be fun!" So she gave me her number to call her what
>time we would go. It's really that easy! See, I didn't ASK her"):
>
>I see danger here because you are making the trip your focal point rather
>than you. If you want to bang her when are you going to make it known? Are
>you going to tell her that she should fuck your body so to protect
>yourself from being rejected? "It's my body she is rejecting, and not me
>so I am not being rejected". You may be putting yourself in a position
>where you are making something else the point of focus rather than you.
>
>(Commenting on: "Ok, so what if she would say: "Well sounds fun, but I
>have some other
>things to do"? I would then just say: "Too bad. You would have loved it.
>Maybe some other time" See? I didn't get rejected. She rejected the skiing
>opportunity, NOT ME. And believe me, next time you see her, express how
>great it was she'll be much more receptive".):
>
>If you were Brad Pitt she would have said yes. Let's not overly
>rationalize here.
>
>(Commenting on: "If a girl however doesn't WANT to talk, he still didn't
>get rejected, because she didn't want to TALK and he didn't CLOSE her. For
>me, I would just leave her after a couple of minutes saying to myself:
>"Geez! SHE is boring, SHE probably has her period, SHE must be a real
>bitch". All with a smile on my face and laughter in my heart. Cause I'm
>always happy that they revealed their true personality so quickly. It
>saved me a lot of time and some money too!"):
>
>News for you. You were rejected, buddy. But it was not your total
>responsibility that it happened. I believe that there is a difference
>between taking things personally and responsibility. Rejection is always
>personal but whether it's your responsibility is more based on the length of
>time you spent with her.
>
>(Commenting on: "So don't be a wallflower and make the same mistake as I
>made. It took me
>four years to find out that rejection is something that doesn't have to
>exist. So there is no need to be afraid to approach a girl. Sure you'll
>feel a bit nervous in approaching a girl, but to me that's excitement, not
>fear"):
>
>Rejection does exist. It's the meaning you attach to it that makes a
>difference.
>
>Cliff's Comment: I tend to agree that there is no such thing as rejection
>unless you take it yourself that way. Generally speaking, women turn guys
>down "because they don't know them" (their usual crap). Of course,
>sometimes they turn guys down because they DO know them. But how you
>respond to it is the key. Again, we come back to David's rule #1 - "who
>cares what they think?" I personally have become pretty immune to
>"rejection" when you are just meeting someone (I think if you really think
>about it, the only time "rejection" is real is once you've really gotten
>to know someone and then they dump you) because I know they don't know
>anything about me and I don't really know what is going on with them (I
>will never forget how once I met these two girls when I was on vacation in
>St. Maarten and they seemed like very normal, easy going women. When I
>was alone once with one of them, she explained to me how the other one's
>fiance was killed in a car accident a few weeks earlier -- how can anyone
>expect a warm reception from someone who just went through something like
>that, and how do you know the girl you are approaching hasn't just gone
>through some similar tragedy? So if you go up expecting nothing but look
>for the best, you can't lose.
>
>Mark B. continues:
>On another note, check out this e-mail from a girl I have known for 12
>years who I am only friends with. She is getting married next year. More
>curiously check out her response.
>This is me going first.
>"We have to get together before the end of the year. Also I was wondering
>that since you are not yet married if you are 100% faithful to your
>borefriend, you know, since we have known each other for so long and it's
>probably good if you take a last bit of fun before it's illegal for you
>to, you know...... How about we get together on December the 14th at 12:00 for
>lunch. Let me know.........."
>Her response:
>"Hi Mark,
>I know that this is a small consolation but I'll take you up on one of the
>offers....lunch on Dec., 14th. As for the other offer, sorry to disappoint
>you, he has my heart. It's better to be safe than sorry with respect to my
>relationship.
>P.S. I got to give you brownie points for trying.
>P.S.S. Where to you want to meet for lunch?
>RP"
>See, she did not hide or get upset or try to bite my head off or take
>great offence to what I said but actually appreciated the offer.....
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>Ciz:
>I met this girl, Lacey, and her girlfriend friend a while back. My goal is
>to have her to become my girlfriend. I first was first trying to get with
>her friend, but then I decided I want her instead. I called her last
>Sunday and told her she missed out on this party I went to and we talked
>for a while about how we both are not going out with anyone and how good
>it would be to have someone to go out with. I talked to her about this
>great new movie theatre between both of our houses and invited her to
>check it out with me this weekend. She told me to call her on Wednesday or
>Thursday (Thanksgiving). I tried using the, "No, you call me on
>Wednesday," thing on her before, but this did not work before so I did not
>use it. I called and left a message on Wednesday on her answering machine
>(I just left a plain message because she lives with her mom -- anyone have
>good NLP/SS messages appropriate to leave on an answering machine of a
>girl who lives with her mom?) Called on Thursday and did not leave a
>message, called on Friday, and she was not there. At this point, I went to
>go see this other girl and banged her in order to maintain my mental edge.
>Called the girl I really want on Saturday and her sister gave me her work
>number. I talked to her at work but then she had to go and she said she
>would call me back. I waited, but not for long, for her to call me back
>and later checked my caller id and found she did not call me back!
>Meanwhile, I went to a party, which did not pan out. Afterwards, I went to
>the same club I met this girl at. She was there with her girlfriend, the
>same one I originally met.
>As an aside, Lacey has previously complained that guys always approached
>her friend. It appears that her friend has a more dominant personality
>than her. When kinoing the girl I want, the girlfriend told me that some
>guy was trying to talk to her and started inserting herself in the kino
>situation so the guy would leave her alone. He left and I was there with
>my arms around both of them. In the past, all guys that they have met have
>been as a result of her friend doing the meeting.
>Background wise, the girl Lacey is smart, several of her cousins go to
>Harvard, but she does not go to college presently, though she is 19. She
>had a car, but got into several crashes. Anyway, miscellaneously, she has
>a very humorous personality and has stated she is not really into sleeping
>around and supposedly has had sex only 6 times with one guy. I suspect I
>have oneitis for Lacey so I have been PUing other girls and banging them
>but I still find myself wanting to out with her even more as my girlfriend.
>Well, I have tried so far complimenting her, saying that she is hot
>because she is always talking about those other girls "who look like
>models." I noticed that when I mentioned me getting other girls, she
>mentioned that they probably had perfect bodies She also has said that I
>am hot. When asking about her ideal guy, she mentioned that she liked
>big/fat guys with tattoos and piercings. I checked on her friend with
>this, and this is actually true. This is not me, so I tried to have her
>imagine feeling that way with a guy who looks like me. She has asked me,
>"So, how many girls do you have sex with a week?" I told her, "Wouldn't
>you like to know. How many guys do you have sex with in a week.?'" She
>said none, and when asked per month, she said none also.
>Anyways, at the club, I danced with other girls while they were watching
>me. Her friend asked me to, "hold her spot" where they were standing while
>they wanted to go to the bathroom and I disappeared and was found by them
>talking to another girl and kinoing her. Later, I did do the "you're hair
>is so soft" thing with Lacey. This was well received and appeared to be an
>excellent move. And, I told her she smelled really good while smelling
>her, and was able to get more kino with her than I was previously.
>Lacey's friend, who incidentally has a boyfriend, does think that I am
>good looking, and was feeling up my abs/stomach and said she would get
>with me if she didn't have a boyfriend. I then tried to enlist her to try
>to get Lacey extremely interested in me. And not to worry if she found
>herself thinking about me many, many times throughout her week while going
>about her daily business. We drove around for a while to go to another
>club but they could not get in because they were not old enough. I
>suggested we go back to my place or get a hotel room but eventually they
>dropped me back at my car and everyone went home because they were tired.
>Note, these girls have previously came to my house but always in groups,
>never individually.
>I know I am not putting out any vibe about me being needy for sex because
>I can get that. I worry that I may have implied somehow that I am somewhat
>eager for a girlfriend type situation. I know I can get sex -- it is just
>managing to get girls to go out with me as my girlfriend that is my
>problem. I even was talking to her on the phone once and used this
>embedded command, "You know, it's interesting, these girls out there just
>want to use me for sex, Lacey."
>I tried asking Lacey what her fantasy was, implying sex. And she mentioned
>that she wanted to go to Disneyland, jokingly. Incidentally, we also have
>an ongoing joke about getting married. I then segued into a Discovery
>Channel pattern, and she replied that if she died on the roller coaster,
>at least her family would get a lot of life insurance. Anyways, I have
>managed to keep her intrigued with me by her noticing I am getting all
>these other girls, but have not managed to convince her to go out with me.
>What to do???
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>
>THE UNKNOWN! (Not reviewed)
>HYPNO-TECH Here's another one which I think has been reviewed here in the
>past but I haven't gone through the old emails to check. "Do You Want To
>Know A Simple, Two Minute Hypnotic Technique That Lets YOU Secretly Put
>Any Woman Into An Instant Trance And Persuades Her To Ask YOU Out?
>http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/hypnotech
>ADVANCED MACKING Advanced Macking has one of the most enticing websites.
>An updated review would also be welcome.
>http://links.verotel.com/cgi-bin/showsite.verotel?vercode=66629804000000274976
>This one also looked pretty interesting. The link for more information on
>breakups and loving-styles is http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/Tigress
>Success Secrets Our free newsletter reveals it all Money and Personal
>Finance secrets; Business & Marketing secrets; Health, Fitness, and
>Weight-Loss advice; Self Defense secrets; Memory Improvement tips; Smart
>Advice on Flirting, Dating, Sex, and Relationships; Personal Development
>tips; Communication and Negotiation tips; Tax Secrets & Loopholes!
>Investment and Stock Market tips; and Much More
>http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/prodeskcom
>The Ultimate Guide to Powerful Relationships is only $8.95 and looks very
>interesting. Comments, please. http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades
>Here's a new one I found which needs to be reviewed: "Guys! Get More Pussy
>with our Adult Personals Inside Secrets Guide! Plus! Free Survey Results
>of Women Using Personals for Sex The Guide contains the following Inside
>Secrets Replying to ads - how to get noticed and get a date for hot sex.
>Placing ads - how to beat the competition and get lots of replies How to
>handle follow up communication to keep her interested. Examples of replies
>that worked on us. You can just copy and paste these into your ads or
>replies. Saves you time and increases your chances! A directory of the
>best websites for meeting hot women! Sick of chicks who are only into
>cybersex and nothing else! The Guide contains a list of the best adult
>personals sites."
>http://secure.ibill.com/cgi-win/ccard/rscookie.exe?RevShareID=9804000000274976&
>returnto=http://www.mysexinfo.com
>Secrets of Power Persuasion! A course by Jian Wang to teach you how to
>write hypnotic language to make others obey your command.
>http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/mrchange (if this doesn't work, try
>this: http://www.mrchange.com/?hop=cliffslist.mrchange, but both worked for me)
>Arte's New Sex Video is kind of interesting. He shows a lot about playing
>with a woman's g spot (which he demonstrates on his comely girlfriend -
>but I could have done without seeing your dick, Arte). I will do a more
>extensive review after I have watched it again more carefully:
>http://amos.simonweb.com/loveebook/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=lrec
>HERE'S A NEW ONE
>Suspect your spouse of cheating on you? Check this out
>http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/spouse1
>
>FREE PLUGS
>The following are all recommended but clicking on the links and buying
>from them doesn't send any money back here (it is also recommended that
>the sponsors of these sites consider setting this up -- from the little
>experience I have had since I started the commercial section a couple of
>weeks ago, I think you are missing a lot of business by not doing this)
>http://www.speed-seduction.com/ - The # 1 source; read the free
>newsletters & get the basic course.
>http://www.trucor.com/ - Major Mark's site, the place to learn hypnosis
>and about married women
>http://www.essential-skills.com/ - learn anchoring, tonality, rapport,
>goal getting, etc.
>http://www.davidshade.com/ Give women incredible pleasure get David
>Shade's Manual
>http://www.fastseduction.com/ - great resource, a must visit
>http://www.sosuave.com/ - lots of free materials, many good ideas and articles
>http://www.mindcontrolmanual.com/ - seduce men and women through the power
>of the mind
>http://www.oscarbruce.com/ - All his books deal with perusasion,
>manipulation and a mild form of seduction. Books like School for
>Scoundrels focus on getting your way with people and getting them to see
>things your way.
>
>Get on Mystery's Lounge - send him an email at [email protected]
>(note this new email address) with REQUEST MEMBERSHIP in the subject line.
>Include your REAL name, your experience, background in the PUA, some
>online PUA's who can vouch for you (references), and a real pic of
>yourself. If you do not wish to give this REAL information, don't join.
>Only the PRO's are in there anyways - we discuss lots of stuff but it's
>the REAL pix of our conquests and the fact that we don't HIDE who we are
>to each other that makes it appealing. MANY of the members Mystery has
>personally sarged with. The rule is simple don't fuck up anyone's game. If
>you can abide by that and have a track record for contributing, then
>that's basically good as gold. Pix are a requirement, however. The Lounge
>is in many ways an EXTENSION of Cliff's List and is not an alternative.
>You don't have to be a PRO, but you MUST play the game. If you are only
>WANTING to ONE DAY chase skirts, please don't bother joining.
>Mystery is now offering his in-field Mystery Method (MM) BASIC TRAINING
>workshop in several cities. Click www.mysterymethod.com for more
>information, workshop locations, dates & to sign up.
>
>Playerware which is designed specifically for men who like to date and
>interact with a large number of women. The program is essentially an
>electronic chick organizer. It contains features such as contact
>management, photo storage, an electronic journal, a sophisticated rating
>and comparison system, date/interaction tracking, as well as other unique
>features. Visit the site and you can get a 40 day free trial. Full
>registration is currently only
>$15. http://www.playerware.com/default.asp?refid=10
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>New Links to be explored (WE NEED THESE REVIEWED!):
>1) The website reads as follows and we need someone's review of this:
>"Impress everybody! Make your life happen on purpose! Matthew Whiting an
>English and Psychology graduate from Canterbury University and later a
>graduate of The National Academy of Performing Arts, has created this
>revolutionary step-by-step training system which will give you the means
>to becoming irresistibly attractive. Hence enabling you to gain the
>relationship and life that you want. Whether it is on stage or in real
>life we all know the "x" factor when we see it! But can we produce our own
>individual "x factor"? In this book Matthew Whiting's radical new approach
>to "being irresistibly attractive" will show you how to: Master these
>personal strategies to become more Charismatic:
>· Learn how to be master of your own intention
>· Taking action
>· Being a successful leader
>· Learning confidence
>· ...and a lot more...
>Master these personal strategies for more Passion:
>· How to be funny
>· Leaving a lasting impression
>· How to utilize the power of speech
>· Extraordinary kissing
>· Flirting - a delightful, innocent, and respectful way to play with each
>other!
>· ...and a lot more...(18 Chapters in total!)
>This book is jam-packed with tonnes of information, (185 A4-size pages).
>It is written in a tongue-in-cheek manner which is easy to follow, and you
>are sure to enjoy. Once you experience the marvelous changes that Matthew
>Whiting enables you to make, you can shape your relationships and other
>life circumstances exactly as you'd like them to be."
>http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades
>2) How to create sexual chemistry! This one looks interesting -- we need a
>review!
>http://www.attractwomennow.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi/Cliffslist
>3) Welcome to CheekyCherry.co.uk, home of what has been called the bible
>of 'attracting women, keeping them and sleeping with them'.
>http://www.cheekycherry.co.uk/Main_categories/seduction_and_dating/dating_guide.html
>4) Courses for women to seduce men!
>http://www.ihrt.co.uk/seductionsystems/text%20gals.htm
>5) Guys Guide to Girls - A guide to relationships. How to overcome shyness
>and understand your partner... http://www.philipov.com/guys1.htm
>6) Wally's Seduction Tips for Desperate Bachelors
>http://www.wallyandmurk.com/wally/sedution/Wallymag.html
>7) Help with seduction - for women who want to seduce men.
>http://www.seducehim.com/
>8) The website reads as follows and we need someone's review of this:
>"Ladies! Never date a stranger unless you've checked him out first!
>Fortunately, a basic background check is an easy thing to do, via the
>telephone and the Internet. In just a matter of minutes, you can find out
>a great deal on your own about any potential date (or even your fiance' or
>husband) using the simple, free background check techniques described in
>our new "how-to" manual.
>CHECK HIM OUT FIRST! "Check Him Out! - The American Woman's Guide to
>Background Investigations" guides you through the entire background check
>process using clear, nontechnical language. You'll be amazed to learn that
>there's a lot that can be done just by using the telephone intelligently!
>Without even touching a computer, you can usually verify someone's name,
>address, age, occupation, and even marital status over the telephone if
>you know which government public records office to call and what
>information to ask for. "Check Him Out!" is written for you -- the
>American woman with no knowledge of public records and background checks,
>but with a need to do some quick basic checking. It's easy to follow, and
>while it won't make you a seasoned "gumshoe," it will make you quite
>knowledgeable about the subject and will teach you all you need to know to
>conduct a thorough basic background check on your own -- plus, it will
>show you where and how to get competent, reasonably priced help if you
>later decide you want a more complex, in-depth background check done. All
>this for $11.95 is hard to beat!"
>http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/washres
>9) For those of you interested in being a bigger man, check out:
>http://www.angelfire.com/amiga/yourown/bigdickie.htm
>10)What Every Man Should Know About Women! Learn the secrets to getting
>more dates
>than you thought were possible in the year 2001. What works, and what doesn't
>work. How to spend less money and less time, to meet more women, and get more
>dates. Self-Improvement skills for single men is what this material is
>all about!
>Don't waste your time and money, get the facts on how to find Love efficiently
>and effectively! Tired of not getting Lucky? Luck is when preparation
>meets opportunity.
>These Articles are guaranteed to teach you how to get and stay prepared, and
>how to use the Internet to find more dates than you thought possible.
>The information in these Articles will produce Ten Times the results of any
>professional dating service. This material includes everything you need to
>get own track. You need not purchase any other books. Our Total price
>for everything is only $19.95 with a full
>refund guarantee, if not 200% satisfied that this material will pay for
>itself many
>times over. http://www.howmengetdates.com/
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