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Cliff's Comment: Ryan came in last weekend from Ontario for a private consultation with David. Here is his comment "Thanks for setting the meeting with David up. You were right, it was worth every penny."

If anyone is interested in either a phone or in person consultation, please email me.

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Chad: Check out the website www.sexforhealth.net. This is mainly dealing with sex for health but believe me the training is much, much more than that! The website is a very general overview of what is taught.

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Ross:
(Commenting on: "I have and continue to do so. I have studied SS for two years. Guess what?
SS works, too! If PI does not work, then why does Ross include it in his program? Why does Tom V. use the phrase "step into the person" to create unconscious rapport? I'll tell you why. Because these men know what works!
I am in no way saying that PI is the magic bullet for sucksex. You and I agree that you have to go up to talk to the girl. Part of the reason I don't go up to a girl and visualize something like "You want to have sex with me," is because even with PI, you are not changing her model of the world, and coming on too strong will scare her away. Although, I may do it after increased rapport."):

Keep in mind that not everyone is open; you will NEVER get it down to the point where 100% of the people respond. There has to be SOME openness in them for it to work.
Guys who don't want to believe it and aren't willing to try it, so fuck 'em. Let them keep their dogma, I'll enjoy the pussy, thank you very much.

(Commenting on: "Lately, I've had a lot of fun thumb wrestling with my girlfriend while attending weddings and other formal places where we've had to sit quietly together. It is great because: 6) You get to hold hands and stimulate lots of nerves. The hand can be an erogenous zone."):

Funny, I've been doing this alot lately with younger women. And, when we start the wrestling, I always use my fingers and thumb to stimulate their hand! I'll joke around and go "oohh..this feels sooo good...I don't want to fight you...I want to make you feel SOOO good...doesn't your hand feel YUMMY?

(Commenting on: "I did the same thing in school and graduated with Honours.
Old exams are great for getting good grades. I would actually write down and copy what was in my text books as a way of learning."):

This is great if you believe "learning" is about memorizing and passing tests...sigh.

(Commenting on: "Here is my top 10 in no particular order: 5. giving her direction and leadership
7. asking her do things for me
8. frequent contact
9. challenging her opinions - saying no when it matters 10. persistence and not taking vagueness for an answer"):

Hey..I like number 10!

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Marco:
Are you sarging alone in NYC? How much faster could you learn if you had dozens of
skilled wingmen right there with you at your disposal? New York City Team Strike Force (NYCTSF) is a group of highly committed members dedicated to the discovery of
"hyper-seduction" by APPLYING any and all tools available to us. We not only discuss our best/worst principles, spotlight fellow New York pimps, do demos and change-work, but we always GO OUT AND TEST what we learned out on the pavement, where it all happens. Our yahoo Jurassic Lair forum is one the BIGGEST in the world with nearly 100 members and we meet every 3-4 weeks to trade notes and hit the streets together. Although we have many high-profile members attending our meetings (including Asiatic, Vinigarr, Mike2velli, Mearkin3, etc), Ross Jeffries the guru of the seduction world - came by personally, to tell us that what he heard and saw at our Lair was “pure GOLD!” Now, this group is not for everyone. If you are committed to taking ACTION and can make the time to contribute YOUR share, welcome aboard. But if you've heard of us and are at the point where you are willing to find out more, why not just stop by this Sunday? Our next roundtable takes place this Sunday, December 2nd @ 4 p.m. in midtown, with yours truly (leader of the NYCTSF), leading all change-work and demo sessions.
To Join: [email protected] For meeting details & location ONLY: [email protected]

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Flying Dutchman:
This week I want to explain more about what I discovered about seduction from using Target Learning, starting off by revealing two secrets to you that separates a
true PUA from an AFC.
First, let me ask you a question. What do you guys think is THE ultimate KEY SUCCESS
FACTOR in seducing a woman? Appearance? Confidence? Being cocky and funny?
No, the MOST important key success factor to get laid is NOT appearance or being a jerk
or being funny or whatever. It is simply TALKING. That’s all there is to it. Just TALK
to them. An AFC tries to seduce a women by looking cool, while in fact for her he’s just
another wallflower. A PUA on the other hand doesn't care what she is thinking of him and
just starts a light, friendly conversation.
This brings me to the second secret I want to let you know, and THIS is a BIG one: FOR A PUA THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS REJECTION!!! Surprised? Well, I cannot express how surprised I was when I heard this revelation from a PUA friend! It opened a whole new world for me. Let me explain. In my previous AFC years, I didn't have the guts to approach and talk to a girl, just because I was too afraid to be rejected. Sounds familiar? Well, let me tell you that rejection is a misconception, it's something that doesn't have to exist. It’s possible to NEVER get rejected!!! Ok, ok, I will explain this in detail. I found out that a real PUA never gets rejected, because:
a) He doesn't close EVERY TIME he talks to a girl. For me, I think about 90% of my
approaches are now without a close. Most times because the HB isn't as attractive or fun
as I thought she would be, or I didn't establish the amount of rapport for a close right
away and decide to close her another time (i.e. an hour later) or maybe I just want to
talk to her and nothing else (because I'm with my girlfriend, whatever). See what I
mean? An AFC feels a pressure to close every time he approaches a HB, while a PUA most
of the time doesn't close when he approaches a HB. Why does a AFC feel pressure and a
PUA doesn't??? Because an AFC tries to pick her up and a PUA just appears to want a
casual talk and nothing else (see point b).
b) He DOESN'T APPEAR to pick her up. He just establishes a friendly conversation using
a remark about her surroundings as a casual opener, listens to her, has fun and is very
upbeat.
c) He doesn't close by asking for a DATE, but instead he offers her an OPPORTUNITY. For instance, I never say: “Do you want to go out with me?” but I present it
as an opportunity. Last week I talked to a HB a about how great it is to ski on the slopes of
a white mountain, enjoying the speed, feeling the warmth of the sun on your cheeks,
blah, blah (patterning). My enthusiastic story got her excited and I said: “But before I
go on holiday, I have to refine my techniques. So next week I’m going to (name of a
familiar and popular indoor ski centre in Holland) together with some friends.” HB: “Oh,
sounds great.” Me: “You should join us next week! It'll be fun!” So she gave me her
number to call her what time we would go. It’s really that easy! See, I didn't ASK her.
I made a statement, an opportunity. It’s an invitation she simply HAS to react to.
Ok, so what if she would say: “Well sounds fun, but I have some other things to do”? I
would then just say: “Too bad. You would have loved it. Maybe some other time” See? I didn't get rejected. She rejected the skiing opportunity, NOT ME. And
believe me, next time you see her, express how great it was she'll be much more
receptive.
d) If a girl however doesn't WANT to talk, he still didn't get rejected, because she didn't want to TALK and he didn't CLOSE her. For me, I would just leave her after a couple of minutes saying to myself: “Geez! SHE is boring, SHE probably has her period, SHE must be a real bitch”. All with a smile on my face and laughter in my heart. Cause I'm always happy that they revealed their true personality so quickly. It saved me a lot of time and some money too!
So don't be a wallflower and make the same mistake as I made. It took me four years to
find out that rejection is something that doesn't have to exist. So there is no need to
be afraid to approach a girl. Sure you'll feel a bit nervous in approaching a girl,
but to me that’s excitement, not fear.
Ok, enough about that. I promised you to tell about Tom, one of the best PUA I have ever
seen. A couple of years ago, a Belgian TV programme made a couple of programmes about
Salou, a very popular hot spot at the Spanish cost. With TV cameras, they followed a
couple of average guys and girls on their vacation to see how they picked up girls / guys.
Tom was at that time working for a club called Flashback as a so called ‘propper’. A
propper is a guy who gets paid to attract women to a club. His job is to approach women
on the street or on the beach and to convince them to visit the club. Now I have to mention that Tom is a very attractive guy to see, so he has an advantage over other men. But nevertheless we can learn a lot from him.
First, his appearance, for I just mentioned his attractiveness. He’s got a nice tan. He wears a hairstyle just a bit longer than all those short models that average guys wear. This makes him look different. His clothes are masculine, mostly black. He appears upbeat, fun loving, very confident and at ease. In an interview with Tom, the interviewer asked him what made him so successful in seducing woman. Tom replied: “HAHAHA. You know, a lot of guys ask me: What do you say to a girl? To me it’s very easy, because I'm a propper. When I have to approach them on the beach or on the street I just ask if they know the club Flashback yet. Then when I see the same girls later that night in the club, I just ask them if they are having a good time. I then take it from there.” Interviewer: “Don't you never get tired of your job as a propper?” Tom: “Yeah sure! However, for the girls I am THE ideal guy in the clubbing scene. And
therefore I have to keep acting. Keep on smiling, keep on appearing happy although I'm not
always in that mood. But I get paid to entertain them. So that’s what I do.”

We then see Tom in action. I will describe one of his street approaches on two HB's (the whole approach is in Dutch, so I translated it to English).
Tom: “Dutch?”
HB A: “Yes!”
HB B: “Ja! (is Dutch for yes)”
Tom: “Ja, yes??? Dutch?”
HB A (surprised): “Do you also speak Dutch?” Tom: “Yes.”
HB B: “You are wearing a familiar scent.” Tom: “Am I …”
HB A: “Yeah. Aqua di Gio, right?”
HB B: “Yes, it's delicious”
Tom is letting the girls smell his scent and says: “Voila! Delicious eh?” (looks enthusiastic)
HB A and B: “Yeah!”
Tom: “Do you know Flashback?”
HB A: “Yes!”
Tom talking about happy hour, telling the girls they certainly should join the party
tonight and then giving the HB's his card: “Here you are.” (another couple of HB's are joining the two HB's (probably girlfriends), so there are now four HB's around him.) Tom to HB C and D: “Hello ladies”
HB C and D: “Hello”
HB C: “Are you from Belgium?”
Tom: “Yes, yes.” Then turning the subject back to them: “What city are you from in Holland?”
HB C: “Arnhem” (city in Holland)
Tom: “Arnhem? All of you?”
HB A (interrupting): “You are a cute Belgian!” Tom: “Am I a cute Belgian?” (looking playful) HB's giggling
Tom is talking about Flashback again, saying they should be there tonight, and hands out two extra cards. The girls leave giggling and looking back at him.
Now there some very important things I learned from what at first sight seemed to be quite a simple approach:
1. An effective opener towards foreign girls is not straight out asking: “Hello! Where are you from?” Instead, if you assume that the girl is Spanish ask: “Hola!
Espanol?” Tom would usually follow up with “Que tal?” ("How do you do?" in Spanish). This
is friendly, funny and creates a certain rapport because it's in her language.
2. Repeating her words by transforming her exact words into a question.
Notice how Tom does this. HB: “You’re a cute Belgian!” Tom: “Am I a cute Belgian?” etc.
This is a technique I haven't yet read anywhere else, nor on newsletters nor on
discussion groups.
However I discovered that it's something all Master Seducers do!!! I use it in practise
too and I must say it's very effective, because it gives you the power in the conversation and it forces the HB to talk. Remember this one!
3. Tom is expressing that he is a real gentlemen (“Here you are”, “Hello, ladies”)
4. Tom looks playful and happy all the time. I cannot explain how to look playful, but
appearing enthusiastic with a twinkle in your eyes comes very near.
5. Tom keeps deep eye contact with the girls ala Rasputin and gives them his full
attention. It's almost frightening to see how long he keeps gazing into her eyes. And he
doesn't let anything divert his attention.
I hope I gave you some new insights of seduction. Take advantage of it and let me know
your results. Next time will be even more fun because I'll then describe two different
beach approaches I recorded from the same programme. The first one is an approach by a
real AFC, the second an approach by a real PUA. And everything is reality, no acting
takes place. The differences however are so INCREDIBLE that it will show you exactly what
to do and what mistakes to evade. As for now: keep on flying!

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Doctor Dwacon (http://www.sextoysex.com/sex/start/sex.html?a=dwacon): (Commenting on: "DoctorDick: In any situation where there are other guys around I always lose."):

I had an experience a year ago of walking into a club. I saw a beautiful woman and paused to think up something to say to her. During that brief moment, this other guy just comes up from behind me and walks up to her and wound up engaging her the entire evening... I think they left together.
That reminded me of something important (that I still forget on occasion).
Ross J says to communicate with a purpose. I'd take that a step further and say we should go out with a purpose. Or, put it in a Biblical sense... he that seeketh shall findeth... he that knocketh it shall openeth.

(Commenting on: "Most of my friends are also higher ranking than I am. <snip> "You have to wait until you move up rank, then nurses will want to shag you."):

Read up on the "40 foot man" and get a better image of yourself. Don't be intimidated.

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Vini: (Commenting on: "Also, what are people's favorite questions?")

I've got a question for ya HB...
Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, Lenny Kravitz... which would you marry, fuck, kill?
and if shes diggin' it, ask 2 more...on the third/last insert your name : )

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Stephane:
(Commenting on: "I really don't know what to do as in the area I live and the social
situation I'm in, these are the type of environments I'm in constantly. I don't know how to knock other guys out of the water with efficiency and smoothness. Could someone please help me..."):

The situation you're in is tough. If you're hanging around with guys that are more 'alpha' than you, then try to think about how you can use this to your advantage. First, you can learn from these guys. Second, you always have the option of getting their leftovers : )

To me, if they're really your friends, they should at least try to fix you up. They sound like assholes. Also, doctors that go around screwing their nurses are violating the basic rule of 'don't shit where you eat' and they are bound to come up dry eventually.

If I were you, I'd model them and try to beat them at their own game. I try to outdo my teachers, because I'm a cocky asshole. But if these doctors are too far out of your league, you might consider going solo or making other friends.

(Commenting on:""You know I could not help to notice that you have great breasts. They look quite appealing to me and turn me on. I would like to see you naked and fuck your brains out and have you cum all over yourself" - still the same message but the way it's said provides her with an incongruity - you are being extremely forward and crude but you are also being so in a highly gentleman-like manner. I'll test this out on at least 20 women by telling them this as soon as I meet them and then report the results."):

You're a real trooper Mark! Keep up the good work. Your post made me think of something. I think that alot of guys coming out of AFCness and learning to say what's on their minds is great, but if it's not done with sincerity then it's done with sarcasm. Being honest and sincere takes alot of personal strength, because you are making yourself vulnerable. Vulnerability is the single most beautiful quality that a person can have, and I think vulnerability is often confused with being a pussy or weak. Quite the contrary.
Vulnerability takes alot of guts.

(Commenting on: "Here is a project we could work on in creating the ultimate PUA: How about
we all provide the top 10 things that we do to get the highest success with women? Then we look for the most common traits and assemble the composite top 10 list.
Here is my top 10 in no particular order: 1. complimenting her
2. being up front with what I want right away 3. touching her a lot
4. expressing my opinions
5. giving her direction and leadership
6. deep thought provoking conversations 7. asking her do things for me
8. frequent contact
9. challenging her opinions - saying no when it matters 10. persistence and not taking vagueness for an answer."):

You nailed it right on the head. Here's a few more to add to the list: 11. sense of humor
12. sex education (kama sutra, massage, etc.) 13. Telling her what my values and rules are 14. Being romantic

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Darren: (Commenting on: "Gregory Rasputin: (Commenting on: "...laughed, and I laughed even harder hearing about it. So, of course, this compliment was bullshit, and it was obvious everyone knows it's bullshit, because after all he's singing a Backstreet Boys song, but it was still funny because he was pretending that all he said was true, and of course it was flattering, and the humor increased that effect. Now this is a very interesting way of complimenting, because it isn't supplicating, because after all he is talking bullshit, but he still is complimenting her. I mean, the words do come out of his mouth, and do assume a meaning in the girl's head. Again, my assumption is that he was not genuine with his "compliment." In effect, he is lying to get into her pants. To me, that IS supplicating.

You got it wrong; first of all, he is NOT lying. He's acting like he made the bbs song. How is that lying? If I told you I sang all the Bob Marley songs in a joking tone, would that be lying? Both sides know it's bullshit, it's just fun. The reason he's so called "lying" is not to get in her pants, but to have fun. That joke was really funny, and was done for the sake of being funny, there was no "buwahaha, after I say this to her she'll let me in her pants" type thinking involved when he said that."):

It seems like you did not get my point. Of course, it's blatantly obvious that he did not make up the song on the spot. That is not what I am referring to as his dishonesty. What I object to is that his "compliment" is not sincere. When I give a girl a compliment, it is something that I genuinely feel. Sincerity is the key. I suspect that your friend is not very sincere when he delivers these compliments. My point was that he exaggerates his attraction and feelings for her, to make it funny, but the girl actually thinks that he has sincere feelings and appreciation for her, when, from your post, it seems as if he only treats them as objects or property. Therefore, he is being INSINCERE or DISHONEST in his "compliments" in order to get sex from her and then dump her out like an object. To me, THAT is supplicating. I don't need to lie to a girl to make her like me or have sex with me. It seems as if the GM style, as you describe it, is dangerously close to just being a jerk, except it is done with great humor, and this guy is not quite an asshole to a girl until after he dumps her. Jerks also lie and deliver insincere compliments to create and maintain attraction and get his dick wet. Just because it is done with humor and cockiness, it doesn't mean that it's not supplicating.
Whenever you are dishonest or insincere to achieve your objectives with a woman, or you think you can only achieve satisfaction by treating her as an object or property and neglect leaving her better than you found her, I think you are operating from a WEAK and supplicating frame.

Cliff's Comment: For the record, "supplicating" is to propose from a junior position. This term seems to have been endowed with many different meanings since it was brought up in the context of seduction, but it does have a specific meaning and not in the way it is used above.

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Mark B.:
Report from the field.
I have approached about 10 women with this opening line "Hi. I could not help but notice you. I think you are hot". Their typical response has been surprise and with a smile and a thanks for my compliments. Then I say "You know a lot of guys would now make small talk and b.s. their way in by beating around the bush. I believe in getting right down to the point. I think you are hot, I want to take you out, get to know you and have nights filled with passion with you." I have had smiles over this coupled with comments about how courageous this approach really is. The result - three with boyfriends, one who has a husband, three who are single, three who did not say what their status was. Two with boyfriends were open to fucking around on him and agreed to talk to get together later. Two of the three single ones agreed to get together. The married one said we can keep in contact and exchange e-mail. One with boyfriend said she is not interested. One single one said she is not interested in relationship now.
The three that did not say what their status was - one agreed to talk on the phone, one said she did not want that kind of relationship and another one said she wants to take her time getting to know the guy and that she was busy and had no time right now. I countered any objection to "I have a boyfriend or husband" by saying "I do not care that you do and I am no interested in being your boyfriend or husband. I just want to have a casual sexual relationship with you". If they said they were busy "I will not take too much of your time. I just want to have fun with you that could only take a few hours at a time." Basically what I noticed here is that when I go for something that I want
first I am much more successful at getting it. By doing so I have set the frame for the nature of the relationship. This is important because once you set the basis for the nature of the relationship it's difficult, if not impossible to change it. This is the reason why many AFC's remain average, frustrated and chumps. They wait to make it known what they want allowing the woman to set her own desired frame for the relationship which is usually friendship or a sugar daddy. This is very counter intuitive because we have been conditioned to think that we need to establish rapport first and then strike but over the time of establishing rapport we allow the other party to set their frame for the nature of the relationship. I have found through experience to go for what you want first before the other party has a chance to assert their needs upon you. If you allow them to assert what they want before you do when you express what you want, your wishes clash with theirs and they perceive conflict and that you are not interested in their needs. But it seems when you go for what you want before they have a chance to make it known what they want you have no conflict and hence stand more likely to get what you want - blow job, fucking or whatever. The important thing to remember is that with this approach you do not know what she is thinking or what her status is nor do you really care. When you go for what you want immediately, if they object to you or express a concern
you should be prepared to back track and deal with their objection or concern right away. The other important point is to be a gentlemen and come off as articulate and well behaved.
Looking back at my biggest successes with women I realize now that I just went for what I wanted right away and consequently biggest failures occurred when I waited to go for what I wanted. My biggest success - getting a feature stripper Ms. Nude Exotic World pageant winner to spend a whole weekend away with me within two weeks of meeting her after picking her up at the bar. I told her I wanted go out with her before she even said one word to me.
My biggest failure - 6 months of dating and being "just friends" with a woman and getting nothing because I let her decide first what she wanted and went along. So setting the frame first is key, then everything falls into place.

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James: For the bros out there SSing and PUAing Scandinavian gals: Has anyone who has experience picking up chycks in Sweden and Scandinavia have any remarks or suggestions with regards to these women? Some of the hottest chycks in Europe can be found in Sweden, but aren't exactly eager to get to know a guy, even if he is American. Are there any bros who may be aware of cultural differences with regards to dating, etc.? Any suggestions would be most appreciated.

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Halbmike: I went to Rutgers University to use the library today. While I was there I
stopped in a cafeteria. I approached a pretty girl there and said "Excuse me, every time I look at you I can't help but think that despite the fact that you're very pretty (she gave a big smile) you must have a lot of difficulty meeting guys." She responded "Why is that?" I told her that the calculator that she was carrying probably frightens them away. It was the largest calculator I'd ever seen. It was like a NASA calculator on steroids, and it probably frightens off most guys faster than herpes on a circus fat lady with a mustache. She laughed. I then said "It must be a real challenge to show that beyond your intelligence there exists a woman (pause), a cool woman who likes to do exciting things and have fun." Although I was getting great responses I ended it at this point because I had a lot of work to do. I just thought I'd pass this opening along because I think it has potential and it can be fun to use.

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Chris:
Review...Serpent Secrets: SAVE YOUR MONEY!!!
$79 for a 2 page e-book that talks about the serpents seduction of Eve and some instructions on a chakra meditation to put you in an altered state and create an energy that will make you more appealing. It does come with a 30 money back guarantee interestingly enough which I have already requested.
Now to see if they honor it.

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PRODUCTS AND LINKS (There's some NEW STUFF in here, and I will try and put something new in here as often as possible):

For those of you who are just reading about this for the first time, I decided a couple of emails ago to add links to these emails. The idea would be to get enough money in to hire someone to take over the administrative work (and also to buy things which would improve this list, such as proper mailing list software) for this list. If you were going to buy the product anyway, just use the link that appears below and you are helping to keep this list going at no extra cost to anyone.

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One of the more useful links I have set up is to amazon.com -- I know I buy a lot from them and I am sure that many of you also do. So I arranged a link with them and you can now buy from them and help out this email newsletter at the same time. If anyone has any other suggestions of sites that would be a good one for me to set up a link to, please let me know.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/nositeihaveap-20 For those in the U.K., this should work: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=cliffslist-21&site=amazon Here's a way for you to accept credit cards on your site today: http://zzz.clickbank.net/r/?cliffslist

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DOUBLE YOUR DATING One of the best places for you to start your journey on becoming more successful with women would be to get David DeAngelo's Double Your Dating e-book. David (who posts here under the name "Sisonpyh" -- which is "hypnosis" spelled backwards) is a good friend that I have known for several years now that I originally met through one of Ross's Speed Seduction seminars. His posts here have been among the most outstanding contributions I have had over the years and his book (and the free bonuses) is highly recommended. http://www.doubleyourdating.com/cl/ HOW TO SUCCEED WITH WOMEN Ron Louis and David Copeland have been reading these emails for awhile and recently sent me their Mastery Program Tape series which I have finished listening to. It has some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set of tapes.
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Comments on this product from Tony B.:
I thought I might drop you a quick line regarding some of the more popular sites that have been seen within this "seduction community." After seeing several terrible reviews and "flames" from alt.seduction.fast, I decided to make a decision for myself based upon my own ideas of what could be offered on the Seven Magic Words product and after several months of reading great novels about how to attract women and multiple posts about how women are most attracted to men, I STILL found the site to be beneficial. After joining the site, I was happy to learn all the new techniques that I have never seen on any list and that alone made it worth the money. I am not typically the type of person that spends money on a site especially a seduction site, I would rather pay for some audio or video, but the information that was offered was different and unequal to anything I have seen in the past. At any rate, I know you wanted a review.. and I have actually come to know the owner, and he puts more attention in his members area than I would expect to see from any other site.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/smackudown DATING INSIDER Not only does this next site give you an unconditional 1 year no risk money back guarantee, but it stands alone and it's program is unmatched. Right now they're doing a Free Trial period, and I'd take advantage of this while you can. The site reads "Learn the proven secrets for meeting, attracting, and seducing women. From A - Z, you'll discover the most advanced techniques for picking up women ever developed." Check out their Free Trial (before it ends) and you'll see why their members like this program so much. Click on
http://www.dating-insider.com/international/welcome.html.
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NEW RECOMMENDATIONS:
I have finished reading The Sexual Key and it is one of the best works I have read about understanding the language that women respond to. I give this a strong recommendation and the price is right, too. The book, and/or its companion book, Gut Instinct (which I will be reviewing) can be downloaded off the net for $39.97 each or $49.97 for both.
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THE UNKNOWN! (Not reviewed)
HYPNO-TECH Here's another one which I think has been reviewed here in the past but I haven't gone through the old emails to check. "Do You Want To Know A Simple, Two Minute Hypnotic Technique That Lets YOU Secretly Put Any Woman Into An Instant Trance And Persuades Her To Ask YOU Out?
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/hypnotech ADVANCED MACKING Advanced Macking has one of the most enticing websites. An updated review would also be welcome.
http://links.verotel.com/cgi-bin/showsite.verotel?vercode=66629804000000274976 This one also looked pretty interesting. The link for more information on breakups and loving-styles is http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/Tigress Success Secrets Our free newsletter reveals it all Money and Personal Finance secrets; Business & Marketing secrets; Health, Fitness, and Weight-Loss advice; Self Defense secrets; Memory Improvement tips; Smart Advice on Flirting, Dating, Sex, and Relationships; Personal Development tips; Communication and Negotiation tips; Tax Secrets & Loopholes!
Investment and Stock Market tips; and Much More http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/prodeskcom The Ultimate Guide to Powerful Relationships is only $8.95 and looks very interesting. Comments, please. http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades Here's a new one I found which needs to be reviewed: "Guys! Get More Pussy with our Adult Personals Inside Secrets Guide! Plus! Free Survey Results of Women Using Personals for Sex The Guide contains the following Inside Secrets Replying to ads - how to get noticed and get a date for hot sex.
Placing ads - how to beat the competition and get lots of replies How to handle follow up communication to keep her interested. Examples of replies that worked on us. You can just copy and paste these into your ads or replies. Saves you time and increases your chances! A directory of the best websites for meeting hot women! Sick of chicks who are only into cybersex and nothing else! The Guide contains a list of the best adult personals sites."
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Secrets of Power Persuasion! A course by Jian Wang to teach you how to write hypnotic language to make others obey your command.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/mrchange Arte's New Sex Video is kind of interesting. He shows a lot about playing with a woman's g spot (which he demonstrates on his comely girlfriend - but I could have done without seeing your dick, Arte). I will do a more extensive review after I have watched it again more carefully: http://amos.simonweb.com/loveebook/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=lrec HERE'S A NEW ONE
Suspect your spouse of cheating on you? Check this out http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/spouse1

FREE PLUGS
The following are all recommended but clicking on the links and buying from them doesn't send any money back here (it is also recommended that the sponsors of these sites consider setting this up -- from the little experience I have had since I started the commercial section a couple of weeks ago, I think you are missing a lot of business by not doing this) http://www.speed-seduction.com/ - The # 1 source; read the free newsletters & get the basic course.
http://www.trucor.com/ - Major Mark's site, the place to learn hypnosis and about married women
http://www.essential-skills.com/ - learn anchoring, tonality, rapport, goal getting, etc.
http://www.davidshade.com/ Give women incredible pleasure get David Shade's Manual
http://www.fastseduction.com/ - great resource, a must visit http://www.sosuave.com/ - lots of free materials, many good ideas and articles http://www.mindcontrolmanual.com/ - seduce men and women through the power of the mind
http://www.oscarbruce.com/ - All his books deal with perusasion, manipulation and a mild form of seduction. Books like School for Scoundrels focus on getting your way with people and getting them to see things your way.

Get on Mystery's Lounge - send him an email at [email protected] (note this new email address) with REQUEST MEMBERSHIP in the subject line.
Include your REAL name, your experience, background in the PUA, some online PUA's who can vouch for you (references), and a real pic of yourself. If you do not wish to give this REAL information, don't join. Only the PRO's are in there anyways - we discuss lots of stuff but it's the REAL pix of our conquests and the fact that we don't HIDE who we are to each other that makes it appealing. MANY of the members Mystery has personally sarged with.
The rule is simple don't fuck up anyone's game. If you can abide by that and have a track record for contributing, then that's basically good as gold. Pix are a requirement, however. The Lounge is in many ways an EXTENSION of Cliff's List and is not an alternative. You don't have to be a PRO, but you MUST play the game. If you are only WANTING to ONE DAY chase skirts, please don't bother joining.
Mystery is now offering his in-field Mystery Method (MM) BASIC TRAINING workshop in several cities. Click www.mysterymethod.com for more information, workshop locations, dates & to sign up.

Playerware which is designed specifically for men who like to date and interact with a large number of women. The program is essentially an electronic chick organizer. It contains features such as contact management, photo storage, an electronic journal, a sophisticated rating and comparison system, date/interaction tracking, as well as other unique features. Visit the site and you can get a 40 day free trial. Full registration is currently only $15. www.playerware.com

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New Links to be explored (WE NEED THESE REVIEWED!): 1) The website reads as follows and we need someone's review of this: "Impress everybody! Make your life happen on purpose! Matthew Whiting an English and Psychology graduate from Canterbury University and later a graduate of The National Academy of Performing Arts, has created this revolutionary step-by-step training system which will give you the means to becoming irresistibly attractive. Hence enabling you to gain the relationship and life that you want. Whether it is on stage or in real life we all know the "x" factor when we see it! But can we produce our own individual "x factor"? In this book Matthew Whiting's radical new approach to "being irresistibly attractive" will show you how to: Master these personal strategies to become more Charismatic: · Learn how to be master of your own intention · Taking action
· Being a successful leader
· Learning confidence
· ...and a lot more...
Master these personal strategies for more Passion: · How to be funny
· Leaving a lasting impression
· How to utilize the power of speech
· Extraordinary kissing
· Flirting - a delightful, innocent, and respectful way to play with each other!
· ...and a lot more...(18 Chapters in total!) This book is jam-packed with tonnes of information, (185 A4-size pages). It is written in a tongue-in-cheek manner which is easy to follow, and you are sure to enjoy. Once you experience the marvelous changes that Matthew Whiting enables you to make, you can shape your relationships and other life circumstances exactly as you'd like them to be." http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades 2) How to create sexual chemistry! This one looks interesting -- we need a review!
http://www.attractwomennow.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi/Cliffslist 3) Welcome to CheekyCherry.co.uk, home of what has been called the bible of 'attracting women, keeping them and sleeping with them'.
http://www.cheekycherry.co.uk/Main_categories/seduction_and_dating/dating_guide.html 4) Courses for women to seduce men!
http://www.ihrt.co.uk/seductionsystems/text%20gals.htm 5) Guys Guide to Girls - A guide to relationships. How to overcome shyness and understand your partner... http://www.philipov.com/guys1.htm 6) Wally's Seduction Tips for Desperate Bachelors http://www.wallyandmurk.com/wally/sedution/Wallymag.html 7) Help with seduction - for women who want to seduce men.
http://www.seducehim.com/
8) The website reads as follows and we need someone's review of this: "Ladies! Never date a stranger unless you've checked him out first!
Fortunately, a basic background check is an easy thing to do, via the telephone and the Internet. In just a matter of minutes, you can find out a great deal on your own about any potential date (or even your fiance' or husband) using the simple, free background check techniques described in our new "how-to" manual.
CHECK HIM OUT FIRST! "Check Him Out! - The American Woman's Guide to Background Investigations" guides you through the entire background check process using clear, nontechnical language. You'll be amazed to learn that there's a lot that can be done just by using the telephone intelligently!
Without even touching a computer, you can usually verify someone's name, address, age, occupation, and even marital status over the telephone if you know which government public records office to call and what information to ask for. "Check Him Out!" is written for you -- the American woman with no knowledge of public records and background checks, but with a need to do some quick basic checking. It's easy to follow, and while it won't make you a seasoned "gumshoe," it will make you quite knowledgeable about the subject and will teach you all you need to know to conduct a thorough basic background check on your own -- plus, it will show you where and how to get competent, reasonably priced help if you later decide you want a more complex, in-depth background check done. All this for $11.95 is hard to beat!" http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/washres 9) For those of you interested in being a bigger man, check out: http://www.angelfire.com/amiga/yourown/bigdickie.htm 10) What if You Possessed A Secret Power which allows You Radiate Power and Confidence and lets You Easily Get ANY Beautiful Woman You Want....with Ease? You are Quiet Fortunate, because You are About to Discover Here for Yourself the FORBIDDEN, ANCIENT SECRETS Which have turned Ordinary Men into Enlightened Beings capable of demanding.... ....SEXUAL ENCOUNTERS WITH MORE Do YOU Want... More SEX? More WOMEN? A Better Life? Once You Discover The Hidden Secrets, You will Have Your Choice of the Finest Females, from Every Nationality & Culture on Earth!
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/1seduction 11) What Every Man Should Know About Women! Learn the secrets to getting more dates
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