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John:
I had girlfriend for a long time, and we broke up a year ago, we don't talk
anymore.
she had a best girlfriend, which I liked, and continue talking to after I broke
up my ex, but she (the friend) had a boyfriend for 3 years. Lately she told
me she doesn't love him anymore, so I thought, girls always talk, don't take
it seriously. Two weeks later, I met her with a group of friends, (not including
her best girlfriend, my ex). It was fun and all and she invited me her place,
for tomorrow, alone.
I came and she was all flirty and stuff.
I thought, although she has a boyfriend, and I "dated" her best girlfriend,
it's a really bad situation, but what the hell, I'll go for it.
I went to her place, told her that we're having fun together and that I feel
that she feel she wants me, and bla bla bla..
She said she feels this way, yet I noticed that she had a problem, and although
I didn't know before I got there that things will go good, I had planned what
to say to "destroy" her boyfriend.
She surprised me and told me that her boyfriend is not an issue, and her best
friend, my ex, is bothering her and she couldn't betray her, then we made out.
Then she told me it's wrong.
Then we made out. Repeat. I went to see her again two days later, she was distant,
and told me she can't do this because of her friend and we need to go back to
being "just friends"
I smiled and kissed her and we made out. Yet I felt that she was stronger in
her opinion not to give me a chance. I told her that I won't be "just a
friend." Then she said she couldn't do it.
Then I had to leave, and left. Our mutual friend told me she said to him she's
sure she made the right decision, by not "dating" me because her best
friend is my ex and it'll hurt her.
It's been a week since we talked. Should I leave it be? Yet, since I want her,
should I continue after this to make it work?
Cliff's Comment: Don't live your life based on what someone else wants. You want it, go for it.
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AdamK:
(Commenting on Matthew A.: "I decided to step into her and give her the
command, "You want me!." For the rest of the night, she flirted with
us and took the time to hold her end up in conversations. When we left, I gave
her a compliment on her energy, and she "accidentally" grinded both
breasts against me. Another example: I was walking down the crowded street in
Jersey City yesterday, and from the back I spotted a girl with a nice ass and
tiny figure (my personal taste). Mind you, we were in a crowded sidewalk, and
she was a block away. I focused my energy on her with the same intent as the
waitress, and the girl STOPPED, and looked back, directly at me."):
Oh really? And then you went home and masturbated, right?
Why didn't you "step into her" and tell her to give you her phone
number?
Why didn't you "step into her" and ask her to give you a blow job
in the men's room? I'll tell you why you didn't: Because that psychic influence
stuff doesn't work
in specific situations this way. Practitioners always have some convenient excuse
as to why it "didn't work this time". Don't waste your time or money.
Learn real skills.
If the techniques you're using don't work at least one 1 out of 10 times (minimum)
to get you a phone number ... then write them off as nonsense.
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Stephane:
(Commenting on: "Gregory Rasputin: So, I guess that my point boils down
to this: As soon as you can decide what kind of girl you're dealing with, you
should know whose material to use. If she's a young, fun loving, immature girl,
use Mystery's stuff (and Sisonpyh's somewhat), but if she's well read, can carry
on a very intelligent conversation, and is more experienced, practice your SS."):
If I can't tease her, I don't want her. Also, I have found that often when they get uptight, if I keep heading in the same direction they loosen up.
(Commenting on: "I do not believe you can never really stop to care what
people think because if that was the case then you could easily walk up to the
fattest woman you
see on the street and tell her she is a fat slob in her face. But why would
you do that? I think the key is to think of the impact that what you say to
people will have on them - the smaller the impact the less you have to be concerned
about their reaction."):
I agree that you need to be careful (courageous and considerate simultaneously)
because I have said things that have caused me to crash & burn pretty hard!
The trick is to find the balance between being brutally honest AND mature.
I have found, however, that most guys interested in overcoming AFCness are too
afraid of what women will think, and would benefit greatly from more of a "Who
cares" attitude until they learn that they can get away with ALOT more
than they think. I once walked up to an HB9 virgin in a bar and said,"I
know that most guys would come over and buy you a drink and make all kinds of
boring small-talk with you, but I'm not interested in that shit. I just
wanted to tell you that I really really really want to fuck you." It worked.
I
had her crying within 5 minutes of meeting her, because she never met someone
who
was "so sweet"! Go figure...
(Commenting on: "Question: There is a school of thought that men should
only listen to women's problems and not be solvers of them because women want
men to
empathize with them rather than offer solutions because by being a solver you
become a part of
the problem. Another school of thought suggests that we give women leadership,
focus and
direction which implies giving her direction and thus becoming a solution provider
to her.
So we want to be empathetic yet leaders, focus and solution providers.
I find giving leadership works better even if we risk having her feel not heard.
If anyone has any strong opinions on this please make them known."):
I never liked school much anyway! They also told me not to play therapist, and therapy is one of the greatest ways to get into their panties!
I listen to both schools of thought. I listen AND I solve her problems. Having
a strong background in hypnosis/NLP/DHE is a great way to get blowjobs. I put
them in trance and make them feel so good that they remember to forget what
their
problems weren't....
Most men either listen too much and become puppies OR they don't listen enough
and advise too much too soon, and they give crappy advice and therefore insult
the poor
woman. Another thing is they don't make the problem solving any fun. I have
them
laughing so hard at their problems that they just fade away, whereas most guys
just
get stuck in the content and say things like,"Just relax!!! You're blowing
this out of
proportion!!!"
(Commenting on: "While everyone agrees that chicks should only be sarged
consensually, there is a growing problem in the United States of false rape
allegations.
The more girls one has sex with, the more exposure to bogus allegations one
faces.
Prosecutorial and police overzealousness (not to mention frame ups), the prison
industry ever so
willing to build more and fill their space, mandatory minimum sentencing, and
the fact that
the evidentiary standard is her word against yours, what does an honest and
law abiding PUA
do to limit criminal liability exposure to false rape allegations?"):
Thanks for the phobia installation! After reading your post, it took me ten minutes to get rid of it! Stop writing posts like that--you're scaring me.
The threat of STD's hasn't stopped me, and now this won't stop me either. But
you do
have a point. Perhaps one-night stands are not the healthiest habit after-all....
Maybe I should wait a month or two to get to know the girls......NAH! I'll take
my chances.
(Commenting on: "I totally agree. I must have reread this "want"
a thousand times now, but I still think about this. I guess I should be more
direct with my
intentions, cuz women can always figure out your interest in them so why HIDE?"):
I think the key is to be direct AND funny. I won't say,"Nice tits!" but I will say,"If those puppies are for sale, I'll take the one with the pink nose!"
(Commenting on:"A fine point which comes to my mind is what separates beginners like me from the gurus is that when we enter a place and we survey the scene, the gurus think "TARGET" and they just go in without hesitation while (me, for e.g.) I see the guys there and a WARNING bell rings inside "COMPETITION."):
Well, the warning bell is right. The question is,"Do you like a challenge?"
I don't!
You won't see me fighting with other guys over pussy, because there's just too
much
pussy going around for that! But try not to categorize yourself as a 'beginner'.
I always hated the term RAFC because it locks the model down. I know this is
just positive thinking crap but it has some merit. You're not a 'beginner' because
you've had that dick between your legs the whole time.
(Commenting on:""What if this sounds like a jerk? What if she views
this as being supplicating? What if this conveys a sense of being weak?"
Another set of
self limiting beliefs has arisen to replace the old one, but the hesitation
remains."):
What if she enjoys swallowing?
(Commenting on:"Although I do break out of it every now and then. But
this hesitation which came out of analysis of where my actions cannot go is
also due to my
spending too much time on-line be it personals, chatting, or even reading ASF."):
I know exactly what you mean, and that's why I like to say,"Analysis is
paralysis".
I learn alot more in chatting for ten minutes with a little hottie at the bus
stop
than in an entire day on ASF. There's alot of truth to that stuff about,"Everything
that you need to know is already within you" crap.
(Commenting on:"Yeah, one of the good things I have started doing with
women recently is telling them I have a life of my own separate from them. Earlier,
I
would go out of my way to be with them, meet them, blah blah...but now the more
I respect my
time .. the more they respect me."):
I see my girlfriend once a week. Until I am married, that's going to be my
rule. I like
to keep them guessing. It also gives me a chance to do some recruiting on the
side!
Nothing works for me like keeping them guessing. Every once and a while I overdo
it
and they leave me, but that has only happened once or twice.
(Commenting on:"Honesty is something which comes through a lot in your
posts.
Is this what you would call total congruence?"):
Thank you. No, at least I've never thought of it like that. Congruence to me
is just
another NLP buzzword that gets people stuck! INcongruence is the foundation
of most, if not all good humor. I also change my mind alot, as I am a chronic
reframe-a-holic. So let's reframe that and say that I am a good learner instead.
NO, wait,
but the reframe-a-holic thing was kinda cute..no wait..but maybe if, ....nah....
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Darren: (Commenting on: "Gregory Rasputin: This is a guide to a Speed Seduction style called GM (Grand Master). Most SS resources make a slight mention of GM, but they never explain it, because it doesn't seem complex/intelligent enough. If you look for GM instructions all you'll find will be just funny pick up lines. I think you shouldn't use those lines yet, for one main reason: when you carry out that cocky and funny line, you will make a woman laugh (provided you pull it off right), but after this line, she will be expecting this funny cocky guy. The GM pick up line, is a line that's supposed to represent your personality. You're a straight up, funny, sex loving guy. So, if you're not what the line presents you to be, you're gonna disappoint your girl when she gets to know you. GM isn't just the funny pick up line. It's a way of talking to people, a way of living, a way to lead a relationship, a way to dump a girl. It's a personality, and it's an attitude. A GM does everything in an amusing, and cocky way."):
I don't think the GM style is a part of SS. What I get so far from this post is that the GM style involves being very direct, blunt, and sometimes crude, with your expression of your desires, and that it is often tempered with humor.
(Commenting on: "..same way say, "Let's have sex over there". His attitude is built on the foundation of knowing that women are just objects. They're toys, and are property, hurting them doesn't matter as long as it doesn't somehow indirectly hurt him. He dumps women with the same way he approaches them. He's funny and cocky, and of course this hurts them."):
It seems that the GM style also involves treating women as objects, or property. I choose to look at women as human beings, and always look for a win/win situation in my interactions with them. To me, you should always leave them better than you found them.
(Commenting on: "Now, he's not an asshole to girls. People often confuse
being an asshole with being fun. First of all, he makes them feel special.
An example of that would be when he tells a girl on the phone "Oh my God,
I missed you so much. See when I walk around I pretend like you're there.
Like, my mind has actually created an image of you beside me. I'd be like 'come
on, Sarah, let's go inside', people would look strangely at me and say 'uh..man,
there's no one there', and I'd just choose not to hear that and keep talking
to you", the girl would always crack up. Of course she knows he's talking
bullshit, but he's not really trying to pass it off as the truth, he's just
making a joke about how special she is to him."):
I'm sure he's not an asshole to girls when he is still WITH them, but after he's done with them, it certainly seems as if he dumps them out like objects. To me, that IS being an asshole. Also, even when he is with them, it doesn't seem that these expressions of how special she is to him are genuine at all. Yes, she knows it is bullshit, but the power that these words have is that, underneath all that humor, she thinks that he IS being genuine -- he is just exaggerating things to add humor. This seems to be related to the bratty little sister frame (Sis) in that that frame involves teasing, ball-busting, and humor, but underneath all of that, it is usually understood there is implied interest and that interest comes across as genuine. Here, there is an OVERT statement of interest and desire, again involving humor, but what comes across, at least to me, is that there is no great attachment (after all, it involves seeing the woman as an object); yet, to the girl, it does seem to come across as genuine. Therefore, this involves being fake and pretending to feel something you don't to get pussy. Not my style.
(Commenting on: "laughed, and I laughed even harder hearing about it. So, of course, this compliment was bullshit, and it was obvious everyone knows it's bullshit, because after all he's singing a Backstreet Boys song, but it was still funny because he was pretending that all he said was true, and of course it was flattering, and the humor increased that effect. Now this is a very interesting way of complimenting, because it isn't supplicating, because after all he is talking bullshit, but he still is complimenting her. I mean, the words do come out of his mouth, and do assume a meaning in the girl's head."):
Again, my assumption is that he was not genuine with his "compliment." In effect, he is lying to get into her pants. To me, that IS supplicating.
(Commenting on: "...bringing up a point. If a girl bullshits him, he doesn't flinch. Like I've said before, he absolutely doesn't care, they can EASILY be replaced.")"
This is something important that any good master of seduction should do: never attaching too much meaning to what a woman says or does, and remaining calm in the face of resistance or bullshit. Therefore, I'm not sure that this really defines the GM style.
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Mark B.:
Article from CNN.COM
"SAN DIEGO, California (AP) -- The brain waves of professional musicians
respond to music in a way that suggests they have an intuitive sense of the
notes that amateurs lack, researchers said Wednesday.
Neuroscientists, using brain-scanning MRI machines to peer inside the minds
of professional German violinists, found they could hear the music simply by
thinking about it, a skill amateurs in the study were unable to match.
The research offers insight into the inner workings of the brain and shows that
musicians' brains are uniquely wired for sound, researchers said at the annual
meeting of the Society for Neuroscience.
Neuroscientists often study how we hear and play music because it is one of
the few activities that use many functions of the brain, including memory, learning,
motor control, emotion, hearing and creativity, said Dr. Robert Zatorre of the
Montreal Neurological Institute. "It offers a window onto the highest levels
of human cognition," Zatorre said. In a study by researchers at the University
of Tuebingen, the brains of eight violinists with German orchestras and eight
amateurs were analyzed as they silently tapped out the first 16 bars of Mozart's
violin concerto in G major. Brain scans showed professionals had significant
activity in the part of
their brains that controlled hearing, said Dr. Gabriela Scheler of the University
of Tuebingen. "When the professionals move their fingers, they are also
hearing the music in their heads," Scheler said. Amateurs, by contrast,
showed more activity in the motor cortex, the region that controls finger movements,
suggesting they were more preoccupied with hitting the correct notes, she said.
Scheler, a former violinist with the Nuremberg Philharmonic Orchestra, said
the findings suggested that professionals have "liberated" their minds
from worrying about hitting the right notes. As a result, they are able to listen,
judge and control their play, Scheler said. "Presumably, this enhances
the musical performance," she said.
In a second experiment, the violinists were asked to imagine playing the concerto
without moving their fingers. Brain scans showed again that the professionals
were hearing the music in their heads. Zatorre, who has studied the brain's
response to music for two decades, said it was the first time anyone had studied
music and its relationship to motor control and imagery".
(Mark's Comments begin:)
I believe we need to be the same way somehow by letting ourselves go and allowing
things to come very naturally - like effortless effort. I remember one point
in the summer I picked up a HB 9.5 face a HB 8.5 body. All I did was just tell
her what I wanted. I said "I want your pussy. I want to fuck you. I want
to blow my load all over your face....." All with without any particular
thought to whether or not she would be offended or not. I fucked her on the
3rd meeting. Just a matter of allowing your natural state to come out. This
is where I repeatedly talk about being yourself - in my case that is being in
total control and going for what I want. This is where I am at my best and my
true self comes out. Ross may be great at word patterns because he may be well
wired to be great at that. His skill was improved by actively improving himself
as a
communicator. Listening to his tapes you know he is great at communicating his
ideas in clear and well thought out patterns. Sisonpyh may be great at being
funny and cocky and David may be great at being honest. All their success can
be easily attributed to their natural way of being because what they do they
are good at because they are wired for that. Patterns do not work for me and
neither does being cocky/funny. My natural strength I feel is in the area of
thought and ideas and then expressing what I believe and think. The best way
for me to accomplish this is by asserting and expressing my thoughts and opinions
and giving direction and advice. When I am this way, acting with leadership
coming off as if I know what is best for a woman or anyone in general, I get
the best results.
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Mike W.:
I would like to recommend that people check out David Deida.
He is an author and seminar leader, and his work is about the sexual dynamics
in male/female relationships.
His book "The Way of the Superior Man" teaches men how to be a no-bullshit,
take-no-prisoners ass-kicker who has a heart of gold. It's mostly geared towards
men who are already in relationships, but the attitudes and mind/body states
that he describes are perfect for seduction as well. On David Deida's web site,
www.deida.com, he posts a weekly
chapter from "The Way of the Superior Man", and this week he is starting
with Chapter 1.
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Flying Dutchman:
I’m going to share a new technique in seducing called Target Learning (TL).
Therefore, let me tell a little history first. At high school I was just an
average
student, studying hard to get through my exams. My grades were always a bit
disappointing since it took me so much effort to read all these books, make
extracts, attending lessons and
then still getting so little results. At a certain point, I was even advised
to go study at
another school. It wasn’t fair to me as I worked hard. I decided I had
to clean up
my act and I developed a new learning technique I called TL.
TL is like learning the other way around. Instead off studying all these books
and
attending all those lessons I started to copy previous exams and learn from
that. I
tried to get as many previous exams as possible and then I would mark the passages
in
the book that are important and before an exam I would just learn those marked
passages.
What happened then was really amazing. My grades actually increased from 6's
to 8's! (here
in Holland we give grades from 1 to 10 (10 is excellent). I actually had better
results
with less work!!! To me this technique has been SO useful, that I actually graduated
university last year!
Stunned by the amazing results I then wondered: “Would it also be possible
to use the
same technique to attract and seduce women?” About ten years ago, girls
would made fun at
me, called me a loser and a nerd (no kidding!). I then started to use TL and
now I have
had two great relationships, one that lasted for two years and one which lasted
for four
years. Both with real 10's (no kidding again, these girls where SO hot, that
when I would
enter a club with them they would instantly be the hottest chicks around and
the guys
would look at me with envy).
Then after the last break up I got confused. What went wrong? I then started
to discover
my flaws by reading newsletters and books. So I finally had to do my homework
after all.
;-) Now I learned from my mistakes, cleaned up my act and dating has never been
so easy
to me.
So what made me so successful? How did I use TL to improve my seduction skills?
Almost the same as like learning my exams. Start leaning the other way around.
When
going out, I stopped looking at HB's and instead look at the guy she was with.
What is
his attitude? What is he wearing? How is he behaving himself around her?
I also made friends with some PUA's and watched their looks, their techniques
and their
behaviour. I made notations, figured out certain patterns and then made it my
own based
what worked out best for me.
The list of notations I made in these ten years has become very extensive now,
but I'd
like to share some remarkable things with you. First, the PUA's I made friends
with all
had some things in common:
Appearance
· They have a tanned face
· They are athletically built
· They dress very fashionably
Body language
· They lock eyes with an HB and give her their full attention ·
They smile in a friendly way
· They use kino
Attitude
· They are very self assured (confident) · They appear aloof
· They are very funny and laugh a lot
· They never quit
Behaviour
· They show power
· They set up a challenge
Conversation
· They talk to all girls
· They are very positive when talking about other people · They
are very subtle in the way they talk · They offer the girl an opportunity
to go out with them Next time I'll give some examples and I’ll tell you
about Tom, the best PUA I have ever
seen.
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Nemo:
(Commenting on: "Question: There is a school of thought that men should
only listen to women's problems and not be solvers of them because women want
men to empathize with them rather than offer solutions because by being a solver
you become a part of the problem. Another school of thought suggests that we
give women leadership, focus and direction which implies giving her direction
and thus becoming a solution provider to her.
So we want to be empathetic yet leaders, focus and solution providers.
I find giving leadership works better even if we risk having her feel not heard.
If anyone has any strong opinions on this please make them known."):
Providing leadership doesn't have to include being a problem solver--I think
that's probably the last thing any of us reading this list want. I think it's
typical (and AFC) to try and solve a woman's problems. It all goes back to the
"knight in shining armor" bullshit that society programs us with from
Day one. We are supposed to feel the need to come to a woman's rescue whenever
her cat shits on the rug, or something trivial like that. Let's think about
it--this chick had problems before she met you, right? (Not you specifically,
but men in general). At what point do we think we can solve them better than
she? And why do we want to? It sounds like a lot of work, and it's probably
not going to make her want to lay you any way.
In reality, this (like many other things) is an example of women wanting their
cake and eating it too. They say they don't want a man to fix their problems,
but if you don't try you end up on Oprah being reamed by Dr. Phil for not being
emotionally involved in the relationship.
It's important to frame from the beginning that you are detached from her problems--just
fucking stay out of the way. Let them know from the start that as much as you
care about her as a person (this may vary, of course =)), you are not there
to solve her problems. What will happen is that she will ask you for advice,
rather than see you as an emotional garbage dump to unload about her bad day
at work. My LTR knows that I have enough stress in my life to hear anything
besides "my day could have been better--want to come over later?"
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NightLight9:
(Commenting on: "He is totally smitten by her, and Jill notices them together
and how he is totally into her, so she in turn ends up wanting Hal again. [sinp]
My question here is: Is being seen in public with a lesser attractive chyck
on your arm when you go places just as good as having a 10+ in terms of social
proof? or would you be better off being seen alone? or would it be better to
be seen with a 10?
Cliff's Comment: From what you wrote above, it seems that the key element is
not as much being seen with a hot chick as it is being seen with a chick who
is totally into you."):
NightLight9 responds: In this case it's that HE is into the new chick. This works not with social proof so much as people wonder if they made mistakes when they break up with someone. Typically if a woman breaks up with a man, she will keep him wondering if she will take him back, even when she has no intention of doing so. If she sees she can't get him back, it raises her competitive fires and makes her reevaluate her judgement in jettisoning him in the first place. This wouldn't be nearly as effective on a girl who never dated you. With new targets, you need a girl who hot or who is an expert pivot.
(Commenting on: "MarkB.: Question: There is a school of thought that men
should only listen
to women's problems and not be solvers of them because women want men to empathize
with them rather than offer solutions because by being a solver you become a
part of the problem. Another school of thought suggests that we give women leadership,
focus and direction which implies giving her direction and thus becoming a solution
provider to her.
So we want to be empathetic yet leaders, focus and solution providers.
I find giving leadership works better even if we risk having her feel not heard.
If anyone has any strong opinions on this please make them known."):
NightLight9 comments: My experience of offering solutions is very negative
in general. I'm interested to hear your success stories. The times when I have
been successful are when I've offered confidence boosting cheer leading vs.
true, honest advice as I would a man. Of course, if a woman asks me what she
should do I will give her advice. Typically though, I find it better to let
her arrive at the solution than tell her outright. It's not like I need credit
for it anyway, if she feels she succeeds when she is around you, she will link
that to you.
(Commenting on: "Ciz: [snip on rape...]Is the only answer to videotape
the girl notarizing a
document agreeing to consensual sex?"):
NightLight9: I will agree that rape prosecution has grown in generality, mostly
for the better in the US. It is still a difficult crime to prosecute and prove.
Generally her word against yours is not enough to prove it.
There usually has to be proof of forcible intercourse. This generally means
a examination of the woman the night of the incident. Otherwise, most cases
are not pushed except for situations where the defendant or victim is of interest
to the prosecuter (famous, etc.). One good defense is to always wear a condom.
That typically makes it more difficult to argue that the act wasn't consensual.
Overall though, this isn't something that you should concern yourself with as
long as you only engage in consensual sex, and avoid women who demonstrate mental
instability.
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PRODUCTS AND LINKS (There's some NEW STUFF in here, and I will try and put something new in here as often as possible):
For those of you who are just reading about this for the first time, I decided a couple of emails ago to add links to these emails. The idea would be to get enough money in to hire someone to take over the administrative work (and also to buy things which would improve this list, such as proper mailing list software) for this list. If you were going to buy the product anyway, just use the link that appears below and you are helping to keep this list going at no extra cost to anyone.
NON SEDUCTION-RELATED SITES
One of the more useful links I have set up is to amazon.com -- I know I buy
a lot from them and I am sure that many of you also do. So I arranged a link
with them and you can now buy from them and help out this email newsletter at
the same time. If anyone has any other suggestions of sites that would be a
good one for me to set up a link to, please let me know.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/nositeihaveap-20 For those in
the U.K., this should work: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=cliffslist-21&site=amazon
Here's a way for you to accept credit cards on your site today: http://zzz.clickbank.net/r/?cliffslist
RECOMMENDED LIST
DOUBLE YOUR DATING One of the best places for you to start your journey on becoming
more successful with women would be to get David DeAngelo's Double Your Dating
e-book. David (who posts here under the name "Sisonpyh" -- which is
"hypnosis" spelled backwards) is a good friend that I have known for
several years now that I originally met through one of Ross's Speed Seduction
seminars. His posts here have been among the most outstanding contributions
I have had over the years and his book (and the free bonuses) is highly recommended.
http://www.doubleyourdating.com/cl/ HOW TO SUCCEED WITH WOMEN Ron Louis and
David Copeland have been reading these emails for awhile and recently sent me
their Mastery Program Tape series which I have finished listening to. It has
some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you
can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those
who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent
basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For
those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set
of tapes.
http://www.howtosucceedwithwomen.com/cgi-bin/at.cgi?a=169700 SEVEN MAGIC WORDS
Comments on this product from Tony B.:
I thought I might drop you a quick line regarding some of the more popular sites
that have been seen within this "seduction community." After seeing
several terrible reviews and "flames" from alt.seduction.fast, I decided
to make a decision for myself based upon my own ideas of what could be offered
on the Seven Magic Words product and after several months of reading great novels
about how to attract women and multiple posts about how women are most attracted
to men, I STILL found the site to be beneficial. After joining the site, I was
happy to learn all the new techniques that I have never seen on any list and
that alone made it worth the money. I am not typically the type of person that
spends money on a site especially a seduction site, I would rather pay for some
audio or video, but the information that was offered was different and unequal
to anything I have seen in the past. At any rate, I know you wanted a review..
and I have actually come to know the owner, and he puts more attention in his
members area than I would expect to see from any other site.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/smackudown DATING INSIDER Not only does
this next site give you an unconditional 1 year no risk money back guarantee,
but it stands alone and it's program is unmatched. Right now they're doing a
Free Trial period, and I'd take advantage of this while you can. The site reads
"Learn the proven secrets for meeting, attracting, and seducing women.
From A - Z, you'll discover the most advanced techniques for picking up women
ever developed." Check out their Free Trial (before it ends) and you'll
see why their members like this program so much. Click on
http://www.dating-insider.com/international/welcome.html.
How to Lay Girls Guide The ultimate SEDUCTION SECRETS database: http://www.layguide.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=Cliffslist
NEW RECOMMENDATIONS:
I have finished reading The Sexual Key and it is one of the best works I have
read about understanding the language that women respond to. I give this a strong
recommendation and the price is right, too. The book, and/or its companion book,
Gut Instinct (which I will be reviewing) can be downloaded off the net for $39.97
each or $49.97 for both.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist.sexualkey
THE UNKNOWN! (Not reviewed)
HYPNO-TECH Here's another one which I think has been reviewed here in the past
but I haven't gone through the old emails to check. "Do You Want To Know
A Simple, Two Minute Hypnotic Technique That Lets YOU Secretly Put Any Woman
Into An Instant Trance And Persuades Her To Ask YOU Out?
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/hypnotech ADVANCED MACKING Advanced Macking
has one of the most enticing websites. An updated review would also be welcome.
http://links.verotel.com/cgi-bin/showsite.verotel?vercode=66629804000000274976
This one also looked pretty interesting. The link for more information on breakups
and loving-styles is http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/Tigress Success Secrets
Our free newsletter reveals it all Money and Personal Finance secrets; Business
& Marketing secrets; Health, Fitness, and Weight-Loss advice; Self Defense
secrets; Memory Improvement tips; Smart Advice on Flirting, Dating, Sex, and
Relationships; Personal Development tips; Communication and Negotiation tips;
Tax Secrets & Loopholes!
Investment and Stock Market tips; and Much More http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/prodeskcom
The Ultimate Guide to Powerful Relationships is only $8.95 and looks very interesting.
Comments, please. http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades Here's a new
one I found which needs to be reviewed: "Guys! Get More Pussy with our
Adult Personals Inside Secrets Guide! Plus! Free Survey Results of Women Using
Personals for Sex The Guide contains the following Inside Secrets Replying to
ads - how to get noticed and get a date for hot sex.
Placing ads - how to beat the competition and get lots of replies How to handle
follow up communication to keep her interested. Examples of replies that worked
on us. You can just copy and paste these into your ads or replies. Saves you
time and increases your chances! A directory of the best websites for meeting
hot women! Sick of chicks who are only into cybersex and nothing else! The Guide
contains a list of the best adult personals sites."
http://secure.ibill.com/cgi-win/ccard/rscookie.exe?RevShareID=9804000000274976&
returnto=http://www.mysexinfo.com
Secrets of Power Persuasion! A course by Jian Wang to teach you how to write
hypnotic language to make others obey your command.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/mrchange Arte's New Sex Video is kind of
interesting. He shows a lot about playing with a woman's g spot (which he demonstrates
on his comely girlfriend - but I could have done without seeing your dick, Arte).
I will do a more extensive review after I have watched it again more carefully:
http://amos.simonweb.com/loveebook/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=lrec HERE'S A
NEW ONE
Suspect your spouse of cheating on you? Check this out http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/spouse1
FREE PLUGS
The following are all recommended but clicking on the links and buying from
them doesn't send any money back here (it is also recommended that the sponsors
of these sites consider setting this up -- from the little experience I have
had since I started the commercial section a couple of weeks ago, I think you
are missing a lot of business by not doing this) http://www.speed-seduction.com/
- The # 1 source; read the free newsletters & get the basic course.
http://www.trucor.com/ - Major Mark's site, the place to learn hypnosis and
about married women
http://www.essential-skills.com/ - learn anchoring, tonality, rapport, goal
getting, etc.
http://www.davidshade.com/ Give women incredible pleasure get David Shade's
Manual
http://www.fastseduction.com/ - great resource, a must visit http://www.sosuave.com/
- lots of free materials, many good ideas and articles http://www.mindcontrolmanual.com/
- seduce men and women through the power of the mind
http://www.oscarbruce.com/ - All his books deal with perusasion, manipulation
and a mild form of seduction. Books like School for Scoundrels focus on getting
your way with people and getting them to see things your way.
Get on Mystery's Lounge - send him an email at [email protected] (note
this new email address) with REQUEST MEMBERSHIP in the subject line.
Include your REAL name, your experience, background in the PUA, some online
PUA's who can vouch for you (references), and a real pic of yourself. If you
do not wish to give this REAL information, don't join. Only the PRO's are in
there anyways - we discuss lots of stuff but it's the REAL pix of our conquests
and the fact that we don't HIDE who we are to each other that makes it appealing.
MANY of the members Mystery has personally sarged with.
The rule is simple don't fuck up anyone's game. If you can abide by that and
have a track record for contributing, then that's basically good as gold. Pix
are a requirement, however. The Lounge is in many ways an EXTENSION of Cliff's
List and is not an alternative. You don't have to be a PRO, but you MUST play
the game. If you are only WANTING to ONE DAY chase skirts, please don't bother
joining.
Mystery is now offering his in-field Mystery Method (MM) BASIC TRAINING workshop
in several cities. Click www.mysterymethod.com for more information, workshop
locations, dates & to sign up.
Playerware which is designed specifically for men who like to date and interact with a large number of women. The program is essentially an electronic chick organizer. It contains features such as contact management, photo storage, an electronic journal, a sophisticated rating and comparison system, date/interaction tracking, as well as other unique features. Visit the site and you can get a 40 day free trial. Full registration is currently only $15. www.playerware.com
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New Links to be explored (WE NEED THESE REVIEWED!): 1) The website reads as
follows and we need someone's review of this: "Impress everybody! Make
your life happen on purpose! Matthew Whiting an English and Psychology graduate
from Canterbury University and later a graduate of The National Academy of Performing
Arts, has created this revolutionary step-by-step training system which will
give you the means to becoming irresistibly attractive. Hence enabling you to
gain the relationship and life that you want. Whether it is on stage or in real
life we all know the "x" factor when we see it! But can we produce
our own individual "x factor"? In this book Matthew Whiting's radical
new approach to "being irresistibly attractive" will show you how
to: Master these personal strategies to become more Charismatic: · Learn
how to be master of your own intention · Taking action
· Being a successful leader
· Learning confidence
· ...and a lot more...
Master these personal strategies for more Passion: · How to be funny
· Leaving a lasting impression
· How to utilize the power of speech
· Extraordinary kissing
· Flirting - a delightful, innocent, and respectful way to play with
each other!
· ...and a lot more...(18 Chapters in total!) This book is jam-packed
with tonnes of information, (185 A4-size pages). It is written in a tongue-in-cheek
manner which is easy to follow, and you are sure to enjoy. Once you experience
the marvelous changes that Matthew Whiting enables you to make, you can shape
your relationships and other life circumstances exactly as you'd like them to
be." http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades 2) How to create sexual
chemistry! This one looks interesting -- we need a review!
http://www.attractwomennow.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi/Cliffslist 3)
Welcome to CheekyCherry.co.uk, home of what has been called the bible of 'attracting
women, keeping them and sleeping with them'.
http://www.cheekycherry.co.uk/Main_categories/seduction_and_dating/dating_guide.html
4) Courses for women to seduce men!
http://www.ihrt.co.uk/seductionsystems/text%20gals.htm 5) Guys Guide to Girls
- A guide to relationships. How to overcome shyness and understand your partner...
http://www.philipov.com/guys1.htm 6) Wally's Seduction Tips for Desperate Bachelors
http://www.wallyandmurk.com/wally/sedution/Wallymag.html 7) Help with seduction
- for women who want to seduce men.
http://www.seducehim.com/
8) The website reads as follows and we need someone's review of this: "Ladies!
Never date a stranger unless you've checked him out first!
Fortunately, a basic background check is an easy thing to do, via the telephone
and the Internet. In just a matter of minutes, you can find out a great deal
on your own about any potential date (or even your fiance' or husband) using
the simple, free background check techniques described in our new "how-to"
manual.
CHECK HIM OUT FIRST! "Check Him Out! - The American Woman's Guide to Background
Investigations" guides you through the entire background check process
using clear, nontechnical language. You'll be amazed to learn that there's a
lot that can be done just by using the telephone intelligently!
Without even touching a computer, you can usually verify someone's name, address,
age, occupation, and even marital status over the telephone if you know which
government public records office to call and what information to ask for. "Check
Him Out!" is written for you -- the American woman with no knowledge of
public records and background checks, but with a need to do some quick basic
checking. It's easy to follow, and while it won't make you a seasoned "gumshoe,"
it will make you quite knowledgeable about the subject and will teach you all
you need to know to conduct a thorough basic background check on your own --
plus, it will show you where and how to get competent, reasonably priced help
if you later decide you want a more complex, in-depth background check done.
All this for $11.95 is hard to beat!" http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/washres
9) For those of you interested in being a bigger man, check out: http://www.angelfire.com/amiga/yourown/bigdickie.htm
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