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Ross:
(Commenting on: "I was like a kid in a candy store... so many choices each
more appealing than the next."):
Hmmm...has it occurred to you that perhaps SOME of the very beautiful women present ALSO had that thought? Only, in this case, the "candy" is attention and adoration from men, without the HB's having to give much or ANY recognition back. That, to THEM, that IS what "being a hottie" is all about.
(Commenting on: "I didn't want to be seen going from woman to woman and it was so crowded and everyone was watching everyone."):
Everyone was watching everyone. Hmmmm....and what do you suppose they were watching for? How does this play into status, perceived value, something (receiving attention) in exchange for nothing (giving little or no attention/recognition back) or at best, teasing?
(Commenting on: "I took an hour to be picky and scan the crowd thoroughly...
finally I picked this HB8 who looked like an African-American version of Mary
Ann from Gilligan's Island. Maybe an HB9. She was receptive to my opener. I
ran a bunch of arousal patterns... ending with the one about taking a bath and
she got visibly turned on. She accepted and returned a ton of kino (it helped
we had to get close to hear each other).
I asked her favorite food, which was Italian. I asked, "How wonderful would
it feel to picture you and I enjoying the best Italian you've ever eaten"
(which would have been even better if I were Italian... harrr). She said, "It
would probably feel very good... but, I'm seeing someone.""):
Then what is she doing there? Do you think perhaps she had some vague idea
of what she would receive at the club and what she was aiming at getting or
did she just go out with no idea in mind?
Why was she so receptive to your initial "opener" and other attention?
Did she show YOU any genuine interest in YOU? Ask any questions about you? Show
you ANY genuine warmth? Or was it all about the performance you could offer
to HER?
(Commenting on: "Walking over to him, this HB10 saw me, assumed I was going to talk to her, and started radiating the negs, she even ran a few steps away. I zipped past her and started talking with the guy, noting her expression... kind of disappointed. She started inching closer to us and, when the guy noticed, he said, "Hey, this beautiful young lady knows more about the club than I do" and he stepped away. I started with some fluff but it was going over like a lead pipe. I segued to humor and she just said with a sneer, "I don't care to say anything to you.""):
Wow. I bet this was the FIRST time she had EVER spoken and acted so rudely
and dismissively to a man before in THAT environment IN HER ENTIRE LIFE!
Hmm....do we see a High School mentality operating? Everyone watching everyone?
Status and dominance being of utmost importance? People offering performances
with a hope of getting something ?
I think to a lot of these HB 10' s and such, the club scene is one big theatre
where they can play act and give the APPEARANCE of sexiness rather than manifest
the reality of being a sexy person. They can give the APPEARANCE of being receptive,
and indeed, maybe even really be responsive to kino, etc., but they seldom feel
any need to really BE friendly, warm, inviting unless they perceive someone
is of the proper degree of coolness, is hip, in, whatever enough.
(Commenting on: "Well... I had a Ross J sleazoid comeback ready to fly, but it was like 2 a.m. and I was getting tired, so I just joked "very nice liquid nitrogen. May I have another?" This actually got a smile but she forced it off her face, trying to keep her bee-yotch exterior. I bid her adieu, "excuse me as I go and thaw myself out" and returned to the bar for one final pass."):
The "bee-yotch" exterior IS PART OF THE FUN FOR THESE GIRLS IN THIS KIND OF PLACE. It's part of the role that conveys the status. THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE MOSTLY THERE FOR AND NOT TO GENUINELY CONNECT.
(Commenting on: "At this point a lot of people were leaving together and
a lot of guys were getting phone numbers, so I figured I'd go for broke.
There was a young HB7 around 19 or 20 who was hanging by the door. She was eyeballing
me and started primping, putting up her hair and cutting the eye, so I went
over and said, "looks beautiful... but I like it better down." A bit
of fluff talk but mid-way my batteries were like running down near zero and
I just didn't care anymore, so I gulped down the last of my drink and departed.
General observations:
I noticed that the more beautiful the woman, the less receptive she was to an
approach. These typically ignored all approaches and hand-picked a guy."):
Because she has a license to do the choosing in this environment. It's that power that is as much the fun as anything that results from the choice!
(Commenting on: "And, in most cases, they picked the guys who looked like they stepped out of a low-rider. Us noids in the Armani and Cerruti suits got ignored."):
That's probably the fashion preferred for guys in that club or that part of town. She's picking what the other players of her status are perceived to like.
(Commenting on: "So I had to laugh... the night I should have been dressed
to the nines I wore leather. The night I would have done better in leather I
was in suit and tie.
I also noticed that the women who bared the most flesh were more self-conscious
about it. A couple dozen came in with their boobs pushed up and out of their
tops, yet they did the typical "offended" behavior if you looked and
did the drawing of attention (by touching or adjusting) if you didn't look."):
What is the difference between someone who IS sexy and someone who can manifest the IMITATION of sexy? It's all play-acting. It's THEATRE.
(Commenting on: "A) The importance of Planning. I knew before hand the
kind of situation I would be in, and that I would get my chances with the HB's.
But my overenthusiasm for dancing fucked me up so that later I didn't have enough
energy left for the crucial part."):
This is about controlling your intent and how much intent you put into any one activity.
(Commenting on: "Prophet: Girls sit and listen and watch me wide-eyed when I recite patterns. Thank you, Ross Jeffries for being a geek just like me!"):
Well, now that I have been doing Yoga and gotten the LASIK surgery on my eyes so I don't need glasses, I am MUCH better looking...too good looking to be a geek, but I'm still DEFINITELY a DORK!
(Commenting on: "Cliff's Comment: Here are some dating sites that I got
off the site Askmen.com. Askmen.com is a pretty interesting site (Dr. Dennis
Neder, who gets these emails and who has commented here in the past, does a
regular article for them) and it originates here in Montreal. It is below #400
in the most visited sites on the Internet (they've had something like 53 million
page turns) and the average visitor spends about 123 minutes on their site which
is far above the competition, from what I understand.
The comments that follow the addresses are from the Askmen site, and are not
from me. They even rank the sites (note the "10/10" after Doc Love's
System):
Doc Love's System http://www.doclove.com/ The single man's best investment.
10/10\"):
Ok..let's clear this Doc Love stuff up.
I know about Doc Love and his system. In fact, I know Doc Love. In fact, I used
to assist at his seminars back in 1984-1985.
His "system" is pretty primitive stuff that relies on keeping the
girl guessing and playing a pretty passive game of waiting to see how interested
she is in you. It WILL work...if she is already attracted to you somewhat, it
will build interest over time and over time it will help you avoid the killing
errors that could blow things.
But if she is NOT attracted, it will not help create that attraction.
And the worst thing is...IT'S MORE "DATING" STUFF. It all takes place
in the traditional "dating" framework.
I'd say it's of interest the same way an old IBM 360/91 mainframe is of interest
to a guy who builds/designs/runs Cray Super-computers...a fascinating relic
of a by-gone age.
Otherwise, forget it.
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Dr. Dennis Neder:
Thanks for the "honorable mention" in regards to askmen.com. askmen.com
is one of the best general information sites out there, and I recommend them
highly.
Kenny Wilson (of Dating Insider) and I are working on a new site that may be
of interest, "SinglesFAQ.com" that will be very much "askmen"-like
and I'll keep you posted on it's progress.
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Caco:
askmen.com has a good thing in Doc Love but the site has a scamster when it
comes to The Player (look for "Adventures in Sex"). He ass just rephrases
ASF shit out there calling it his own . emasculates it .. and comes up with
things like the players' three second rule (http://www.askmen.com/love/player/48_love_games.html)
and shit like neg hits on (http://www.askmen.com/love/player/52_love_games.html)
which is about seducing a barmaid but has rings of Mystery's stripper rules.
Either the guy is Mystery himself .. or he's a scamster!! Check out Formhandle's
post on ASF about this dude.
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Mystery:
My website has changed to www.mysterymethod.com. It's also been updated.
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Magic Juan:
(Commenting on; "She replied in a nasal tone reminiscent of the millionaire's
wife on
Gilligan's Island, "You're a stranger, why should I speak to you?""):
With delighted surprise: You know, I often ask myself the same question before
speaking to an unfamiliar person. And I've come to realize that I never really
find out the answer to that question until after I speak to her. Sure, I could
end up wasting my time overall; if I find out she is the kind of cold person
who would dismiss someone out of hand -- even before giving herself a chance
to discover what kind of laughs she could have with a fresh, new acquaintance
-- but then, if we don't even bother to try, we might never know what kind of
warm
(endearing, talented, whatever) person stands before us. (All with the appropriate
pointing.) And so, given your initial response to me, the question I have to
ask you is: do you want another chance?
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Stephane:
(Commenting on: "Caco: [snip]I totally agree with your observation though
it does not apply to my case per se. First, here the problem was that I had
almost ALL my
relatives there"):
Who cares what they think. They are just jealous. Flirting and fucking is your business, not theirs, just don't nail her right there on the dance floor.
(Commenting on: "Caco: [snip] I wanted to convey enough personality to her ignoring the bf just focusing on what her DEEPEST desires were and linking them to me besides delinking them from the bf ; )"):
WHO CARES about what she thinks! Want to know her deepest desires? She wants
a man who is funny, romantic, and strong. Want to 'link them to you'? Guys always
ask
me how to do this, and I could never understand why. Obviously they are being
waaaaayyyyy too
covert to begin with.
(Commenting on: "Caco: [snip] I portrayed myself there as the grinding
dude not someone unique.
I should have had a better game plan."):
Everyone on this planet has a different footprint. I still don't understand
why guys are
trying so hard to be unique. Because all I have to do is SHOW UP! You guys are
thinking too
much.
Cliff's Comment: Not everyone can be as unique as you, Stephane.
(Commenting on: "Caco:I just forgot all about the whole system of what to say when."):
Again, you're too concerned with what everybody thinks. But if you say what's
on your mind
without filters you won't ever run out of shit to say, especially if you put
yourself in a powerful state before you go out, and maintain it.
(Commenting on: "Caco:I tried to get to know what is it that she wants
and then give it back
to her both verbally and non verbally."):
Who CARES what she wants? FORGET what she thinks! Do you honestly think that
an 18-22 year-old little girl knows what is good for her?! PUH-LEEZE! Ross said
something
that really stuck with me. The most powerful word you can use on a woman is
the word NO.
When you elicit her values, tell her no! Tell her she's close....but no cigar!
Then tell her
YOUR values. The one's I learned to say are Honesty, Trust, and Respect (in
that order).
Since I believe in them, I can persuade her.
The most important thing I have ever learned is to stop caring about what other
people think.
Do I ever put my foot in my mouth? You bet! But who cares, as long as I am having
fun and
learning. Learning this was easy, because in order to engage in the activity
of caring what
they think you have to do something inside your head. Caring what they think
is a verb, it's
a skill. The way I did it was I would stop and see myself through other people's
eyes. That
was the main thing that was responsible for 99% of my hesitation.
I was amazed to find out how often I did this, and how much it got in the way
of my PU game.
So I stopped.
(Commenting on: "MrT: I am having problems visualizing. I just can't seem
to do it. I close
my eyes and think of an object or place, at best I get a blurry distorted picture"):
The first step is in realizing that you DO make clear images, just because
you can't see them
consciously doesn't mean shit. DREAMING is a nice example of that.
If you want to see clear, focused images, you need to add in the dimension
of feelings and
sound. For example, picture a blender in your mind. Now turn on the blender
and hear it
VVVVVVVVVVVV!! See? Now physically put your hands out and feel the blender as
it rumbles
and shakes like crazy.
Now, I'll bet that when you jerk off at night, this is what you do naturally.
Perhaps you
see a nice pretty face and a mouth licking your balls...and as she licks your
balls you can
begin to feel what it would feel like if a drop of her saliva were to slide
down your dick...
and you can hear her moaning with pleasure as she slowly sits on your cock.
Excuse me, I have
to go now....
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Matthew A.:
(Commenting on: "Kerry F.: (Commenting on: "Matthew A.: (Commenting
on: "THE UNKNOWN! (Not reviewed) HYPNO-TECH Here's another one which I
think has been reviewed here in the past but I haven't gone through the old
emails to check. "Do you Want To Know A Simple, Two Minute Hypnotic Technique
That Lets YOU Secretly Put Any Woman Into An Instant Trance And Persuades Her
To Ask YOU Out? http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/hypnotech" I got the
course ages ago with my buddy and I came to the conclusion that it was just
another spin-off of RJ's stuff. The main difference with Dr.
Mojo's stuff is that he described a number of number of Magick and Psychic Seduction
techniques."):
Same here. Although, Ross is moving more and more into Psychic Seduction.
But, in order to learn what he teaches you have to attend a PI seminar if there
is one this year. I've never been to one, but I know those who have, and the
word is IT ROCKS! Of course, Ross just put out a new video set for PI.
(Commenting on: "Now I tried out his techniques for about a week and a half every day for approximately 15 minutes then I gave up after having no signs of affect whatsoever. (Matthew, did you find those techniques powerful?) Also his course never makes much mention of his "Simple, Two Minute Hypnotic Technique That Lets YOU Secretly Put Any Woman Into An Instant Trance And Persuades Her To Ask YOU Out?""):
Yes, I used his techniques with success, but keep in mind, I have two years
experience with Magick. The lesson to learn: there is a lot more going on than
what he describes, and his techniques are universal (Remote Viewing and "Stepping
into the Person" which you can find on ES) except for a few specifics.
For example: I never thought before to give her worded thoughts.
Either that same night, or the night after (after I practiced the technique),
I went out to dinner with my father. Our waitress at the diner was stacked.
She had a great, healthy energy, and she had brains too. I decided to step into
her and give her the command, "You want me!." For the rest of the
night, she flirted with us and took the time to hold her end up in conversations.
When we left, I gave her a compliment on her energy, and she "accidentally"
grinded both breasts against me. Another example: I was walking down the crowded
street in Jersey City yesterday, and from the back I spotted a girl with a nice
ass and tiny figure (my personal taste). Mind you, we were in a crowded sidewalk,
and she was a block away. I focused my energy on her with the same intent as
the waitress, and the girl STOPPED, and looked back, directly at me.
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Dan:
I run a website, www.playerware.com, that offers a software program called Playerware,
which I designed specifically for men who like to date and interact with a large
number of women. The program is essentially an electronic chick organizer. It
contains features such as contact management, photo storage, an electronic journal,
a sophisticated rating and comparison system, date/interaction tracking, as
well as other unique features. Visit the site and you can get a 40 day free
trial. Full registration is currently only $15.
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Isaac:
(Commenting on: "Prophet:
Girls sit and listen and watch me wide-eyed when I recite patterns."):
Is that doggy dinner bowl or what?
(Commenting on: "Started Speed Seduction about ten months ago, did the work memorizing about 6 patterns and using the 3-second rule. With practice I got calmer talking to HB's."):
No doubt constant work and practice will deliver the skills.
(Commenting on: "Finally, this summer, while on vacation at home in Canada, I was walking into an ice-cream parlor on the beach with my two little nieces and nephew."):
What better social proof than that you're trustworthy enough to be left to handle three little happy kids in public.
(Commenting on: "A hot babe was sitting there on the picnic bench with her girlfriends. When my small relatives and I left the parlor, the HB smiled at me."):
I think some people would refer to that smile as an IOI ...obviously you were in there before you said a word.
(Commenting on: "I said, "Hi", got a good response and said, "Has anyone ever told you: you are a shining example of genetic and physiological perfection?" Of course she laughed and I responded with, "I´m glad you laughed because although you are truly stunning, I wanted to see the personality behind the beauty..."):
Successful combination of humour with an indication to her that beauty alone
does not cut
it...she'll be ready to show more personality now...
(Comment> before I introduce myself. My name is Prophet." Then I did the eyes pattern..."):
Here's where the preparation comes through. In conclusion: Prophet I don't know what you look like..whether you're tall dark and handsome or just an ordinary Joe, but it is clear that you've been able to combine what you naturally are with the skills you've learnt when the perfect opportunity arose. You inspire.
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Gregory Rasputin:
One thing I keep in mind while sarging: Say you see a sexy girl, and you use
that line of "Hey, do you have theatrical training......because you have
great posture", and she goes "Ah...ok". That's a great line,
but when will it NOT work? When the girl is immature. I'm sure that some of
you here sarge chicks who just finished high school a year or two ago. You can't
expect to charm them with a line like that. They're just not mature/intelligent
enough yet to appreciate that. This is when you have to use that bratty sister
frame. Maybe the numerous methods of seduction are scrambled in your head, because
so many people here focus on teasing, and playing with the girl, and yet so
many others here focus on how to be a charming, charismatic sweetheart. I'd
like to untangle the wires in your head for those of you whose picture is blurry.
For the more mature girls, you don't really need to tease them. Usually you
don't need to go beyond a little bit of play fighting, and if you tease them
too much, they might start taking you seriously, and actually take offence.
So for those girls (the mature ones), use everything that Ross has to offer
them + some good intelligent conversation. Note how Ross treats his girls like
adults, I never once heard him go into the bratty sister frame. This is mostly
because he's screwing around with mature girls. Do you think that a 17-18 year
old chick will understand half the shit he's spewing? She'll usually go "huh",
because 1) she doesn't care so much to experience the 'wonderful connections'
as she'd rather just have fun and 2) she hasn't been on this Earth long enough
to appreciate what's truly rare, so she cannot appreciate you ; ). On Saturday
I was in the car with 3 girls, and 3 guys. They were all in the age range of
18-19, but at the end of the night I had the hottest girls there (definitely
a nine) on my lap, with her arms around my neck without ever meeting her before,
and I didn't use a single pattern, an embedded command, or a time distortion.
It was all just because I kept making jokes. One thing I keep in mind, as soon
as she began laughing at my humor in general, I began making fun of her. She
said "Let's go buy some alcohol, so that I'll be in a more party-like mood",
and I said "and then you'll talk less too, right?" She showed us her
boots (they were those really long boots), and when she accidently hit me I
said "Damn it, why do you have to bring your work boots into the car?"
(implying that she was a hoe). You could never get away with something like
that with a mature girl, but this was exactly what this girl needed to hear.
Once I saw a cocky young girl sitting on the train, and I come up and say "Hey,
do you mind if I ask something of you?" She said "Sure", and
I say "Can I have your seat?" She was like "Wh..at?" So
I say, "Well it's already warm, and I'm kinda cold...would you really want
to have me freezing on your conscience?" This was just a cocky, humorous
opener, that I'd prefer not to use with the more mature ladies. With the older
ladies I do things like "Hi, I just noticed you from over there, and wanted
to come over to find out what you were like." Get it?
So, I guess that my point boils down to this: As soon as you can decide what
kind of girl you're dealing with, you should know whose material to use. If
she's a young, fun loving, immature girl, use Mystery's stuff (and Sisonpyh's
somewhat), but if she's well read, can carry on a very intelligent conversation,
and is more experienced, practice your SS.
Because really, can you see Mystery sitting at a coffee table for 2 hours, discussing
existentialism with a philosophy graduate (no offence to you at all Mys, as
I know you're very intelligent, but I'm saying that this isn't the type of girl
you'd go for), and can you see Ross in a nightclub impressing the 20 year old
ladies with his dance moves? (Again, no offence to you Ross, I'm just saying
you wouldn't care so much for that night life us teenagers love so much ; )
). You can't say that one system is better then another, or that one is too
simple, or that the other is too complicated. You just have to know what kind
of furniture you're making, to know what tools you need to use. ; )
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Franky the Tux:
About 6 months ago I took up a martial art to learn self defense. A couple of
months earlier I had suffered an unprovoked attack. Up until that time I had
always relied on my situational awareness and ability to talk to prevent a fight
from beginning. I was not prepared for being blind sided.
Instead of just signing up for the first Karate or Kung Fu class that I found
I decided to make a study of the martial arts to see what the differences were
between them and which ones might be better suited for me.
What I found was that the martial arts could be divided into two main camps:
Hard styles, which featured kicks and strikes (Karate, Kung Fu, Tae Kwon Do,
etc.); and soft styles, which featured joint locks and throws (Ju-Jitsu, Aikido,
Judo, etc.). A third camp would be weapons training (Kendo, Kobudo) but I was
only interested in the hand to hand arts. After some study I decided to learn
the Korean martial art of Hapkido, which is a predominantly soft style art which
also mixes in some of the kicks and strikes of the other two main Korean styles,
Tae Kwon Do and Tang Soo Do.
(Both Hapkido (Korean) and Aikido
(Japanese) were developed from Japanese Ju-Jitsu and all three have much in
common, one being that they attempt to use your opponents strength and moves
against him. If you have ever watched a Steven Seagal movie you have seen Aikido
in action.) One of the things I discovered is that in each of the arts, sometimes
shortly after it was founded, that various "schools" developed usually
from the teachings of "star pupils" which emphasize different aspects
of the art. An example of this was Bruce Lee who practiced Kung Fu but developed
his own unique system which is called Jeet Kun Do. It is not unusual to see
2 or 3 schools of practice with even the more obscure martial arts and with
major ones such as Karate there could be five or more. My instructor holds black
belts in Tae Kwon Do and Hapkido, and has also studied Judo, wrestling, and
boxing. One evening he told me about a series of events on TV called the ultimate
fight or fighting. At first the concepts seemed pretty brutal. There were very
few rules. What my instructor found compelling was that it pitted people of
different fighting styles against each other: Kick boxers, Judo practitioners,
Karate, street fighting, Ju-Jitsu - you name it. What was found was that when
an opponent was taken out of his normal method/environment of fighting (for
example a Karate fighter taken to the ground by a wrestler) he was out of his
element and didn't know what to do. He told me that eventually people who participated
in this started to cross train in other styles so that they could compete better,
and this has been good for the martial arts as a whole. Now, it's not unusual
to see techniques and styles bleed over from one art to another.
So what does this have to do with seducing women? Glad you asked. It's easy
to see from this that no one style of fighting is perfect or the best.
Certain styles work better under certain circumstances. Recently I re-read through
Cliffs previous mailings going back thru last year. So the running arguments
of the past about SS, MM, Sis's techniques, the use of patterns, etc., were
fresh in my brain. What occurred to me was that these major "styles"
of PU were like the different styles of martial arts. Let's say for the purpose
of discussion that Ross's SS is like the hard style of Karate or Tae Kwon Do.
He uses the patterns to strike right at the subconscious mind and desires of
his "victim" (not really a victim, just being congruent with the metaphor
I am using). Sis's style is more soft oriented using his "opponents"
weakness (insecurity) and strength (desire for control) against her. Mystery's
could be likened to Ju-Jitsu's ground grappling techniques, he goes for it in
the high pressure, high distraction club scene and demonstrates
social proof and alpha male characteristics right in front of the target, sometimes
wrestling directly with her, sometimes ignoring or neg hitting her until he's
ready to make his move. (I've watched my instructor grapple with students, often
letting them have the upper hand for awhile, conserving his strength and waiting
for an opening to exploit while they expend their energy.)
Even within the major PU arts there can be different "schools" of
approaches of
applying the technique. For example, Brother Riker's application of SS to online
personals.
The implications for newer students like myself is that while I may want to
master a certain style like SS I should try as much as possible to "cross
train" and at least learn the basics of the other styles. That would give
me the best chance of success, no matter what situation I find myself in(cafe,
party, club, etc.). That is why though Ross is my main "Sensei" I
pay close attention to what the other masters post here to learn as much as
I can about the other styles. Cliff floated the idea of pulling together the
various masters and students to discuss there techniques in Montreal.
We should all be enthusiastically supporting this idea. Can you imagine attending
an event with martial arts masters in the various disciplines teaching you there
favorite moves? You would probably feel you could kick any non-practitioners
ass if you had too. Now imagine doing the same thing with seduction masters
and star students. The HB's wouldn't stand a chance!
So Cliff if you are still interested in hosting such an event, count me in.
I will do whatever it takes to be there.
I'm glad that Ross, Sis, and Mystery are not masters of each others styles as
well as their own. They would be getting laid so much they wouldn't have any
time to contribute to this list!
Cliff's Comment: I am still thinking about it and hope to hold it next summer. Stay tuned for more news, same Bat station, same Bat channel!
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PRODUCTS AND LINKS (There's some NEW STUFF in here, and I will try and put something new in here as often as possible):
For those of you who are just reading about this for the first time, I decided a couple of emails ago to add links to these emails. The idea would be to get enough money in to hire someone to take over the administrative work (and also to buy things which would improve this list, such as proper mailing list software) for this list. If you were going to buy the product anyway, just use the link that appears below and you are helping to keep this list going at no extra cost to anyone.
NON SEDUCTION-RELATED SITES
One of the more useful links I have set up is to amazon.com -- I know I buy
a lot from them and I am sure that many of you also do. So I arranged a link
with them and you can now buy from them and help out this email newsletter at
the same time. If anyone has any other suggestions of sites that would be a
good one for me to set up a link to, please let me know.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/nositeihaveap-20 For those in
the U.K., this should work: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=cliffslist-21&site=amazon
Here's a way for you to accept credit cards on your site today: http://zzz.clickbank.net/r/?cliffslist
RECOMMENDED LIST
DOUBLE YOUR DATING One of the best places for you to start your journey on becoming
more successful with women would be to get David DeAngelo's Double Your Dating
e-book. David (who posts here under the name "Sisonpyh" -- which is
"hypnosis" spelled backwards) is a good friend that I have known for
several years now that I originally met through one of Ross's Speed Seduction
seminars. His posts here have been among the most outstanding contributions
I have had over the years and his book (and the free bonuses) is highly recommended.
http://www.doubleyourdating.com/cl/ HOW TO SUCCEED WITH WOMEN Ron Louis and
David Copeland have been reading these emails for awhile and recently sent me
their Mastery Program Tape series which I have finished listening to. It has
some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you
can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those
who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent
basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For
those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set
of tapes.
http://www.howtosucceedwithwomen.com/cgi-bin/at.cgi?a=169700 SEVEN MAGIC WORDS
Comments on this product from Tony B.:
I thought I might drop you a quick line regarding some of the more popular sites
that have been seen within this "seduction community." After seeing
several terrible reviews and "flames" from alt.seduction.fast, I decided
to make a decision for myself based upon my own ideas of what could be offered
on the Seven Magic Words product and after several months of reading great novels
about how to attract women and multiple posts about how women are most attracted
to men, I STILL found the site to be beneficial. After joining the site, I was
happy to learn all the new techniques that I have never seen on any list and
that alone made it worth the money. I am not typically the type of person that
spends money on a site especially a seduction site, I would rather pay for some
audio or video, but the information that was offered was different and unequal
to anything I have seen in the past. At any rate, I know you wanted a review..
and I have actually come to know the owner, and he puts more attention in his
members area than I would expect to see from any other site.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/smackudown DATING INSIDER Not only does
this next site give you an unconditional 1 year no risk money back guarantee,
but it stands alone and it's program is unmatched. Right now they're doing a
Free Trial period, and I'd take advantage of this while you can. The site reads
"Learn the proven secrets for meeting, attracting, and seducing women.
From A - Z, you'll discover the most advanced techniques for picking up women
ever developed." Check out their Free Trial (before it ends) and you'll
see why their members like this program so much. Click on
http://www.dating-insider.com/international/welcome.html.
How to Lay Girls Guide The ultimate SEDUCTION SECRETS database: http://www.layguide.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=Cliffslist
NEW RECOMMENDATIONS:
I have finished reading The Sexual Key and it is one of the best works I have
read about understanding the language that women respond to. I give this a strong
recommendation and the price is right, too. The book, and/or its companion book,
Gut Instinct (which I will be reviewing) can be downloaded off the net for $39.97
each or $49.97 for both.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist.sexualkey
THE UNKNOWN! (Not reviewed)
HYPNO-TECH Here's another one which I think has been reviewed here in the past
but I haven't gone through the old emails to check. "Do You Want To Know
A Simple, Two Minute Hypnotic Technique That Lets YOU Secretly Put Any Woman
Into An Instant Trance And Persuades Her To Ask YOU Out?
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/hypnotech ADVANCED MACKING Advanced Macking
has one of the most enticing websites. An updated review would also be welcome.
http://links.verotel.com/cgi-bin/showsite.verotel?vercode=66629804000000274976
This one also looked pretty interesting. The link for more information on breakups
and loving-styles is http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/Tigress Success Secrets
Our free newsletter reveals it all Money and Personal Finance secrets; Business
& Marketing secrets; Health, Fitness, and Weight-Loss advice; Self Defense
secrets; Memory Improvement tips; Smart Advice on Flirting, Dating, Sex, and
Relationships; Personal Development tips; Communication and Negotiation tips;
Tax Secrets & Loopholes!
Investment and Stock Market tips; and Much More http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/prodeskcom
The Ultimate Guide to Powerful Relationships is only $8.95 and looks very interesting.
Comments, please. http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades Here's a new
one I found which needs to be reviewed: "Guys! Get More Pussy with our
Adult Personals Inside Secrets Guide! Plus! Free Survey Results of Women Using
Personals for Sex The Guide contains the following Inside Secrets Replying to
ads - how to get noticed and get a date for hot sex.
Placing ads - how to beat the competition and get lots of replies How to handle
follow up communication to keep her interested. Examples of replies that worked
on us. You can just copy and paste these into your ads or replies. Saves you
time and increases your chances! A directory of the best websites for meeting
hot women! Sick of chicks who are only into cybersex and nothing else! The Guide
contains a list of the best adult personals sites."
http://secure.ibill.com/cgi-win/ccard/rscookie.exe?RevShareID=9804000000274976&
returnto=http://www.mysexinfo.com <http://www.mysexinfo.com/ Secrets of Power
Persuasion! A course by Jian Wang to teach you how to write hypnotic language
to make others obey your command.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/mrchange Arte's New Sex Video is kind of
interesting. He shows a lot about playing with a woman's g spot (which he demonstrates
on his comely girlfriend - but I could have done without seeing your dick, Arte).
I will do a more extensive review after I have watched it again more carefully:
http://amos.simonweb.com/loveebook/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=lrec HERE'S A
NEW ONE
Suspect your spouse of cheating on you? Check this out http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/spouse1
FREE PLUGS
The following are all recommended but clicking on the links and buying from
them doesn't send any money back here (it is also recommended that the sponsors
of these sites consider setting this up -- from the little experience I have
had since I started the commercial section a couple of weeks ago, I think you
are missing a lot of business by not doing this) http://www.speed-seduction.com/
- The # 1 source; read the free newsletters & get the basic course.
http://www.trucor.com/ - Major Mark's site, the place to learn hypnosis and
about married women
http://www.essential-skills.com/ - learn anchoring, tonality, rapport, goal
getting, etc.
http://www.davidshade.com/ Give women incredible pleasure get David Shade's
Manual
http://www.fastseduction.com/ - great resource, a must visit http://www.sosuave.com/
- lots of free materials, many good ideas and articles http://www.mindcontrolmanual.com/
- seduce men and women through the power of the mind
http://www.oscarbruce.com/ - All his books deal with perusasion, manipulation
and a mild form of seduction. Books like School for Scoundrels focus on getting
your way with people and getting them to see things your way.
Get on Mystery's Lounge - send him an email at [email protected] (note
this new email address) with REQUEST MEMBERSHIP in the subject line.
Include your REAL name, your experience, background in the PUA, some online
PUA's who can vouch for you (references), and a real pic of yourself. If you
do not wish to give this REAL information, don't join. Only the PRO's are in
there anyways - we discuss lots of stuff but it's the REAL pix of our conquests
and the fact that we don't HIDE who we are to each other that makes it appealing.
MANY of the members Mystery has personally sarged with.
The rule is simple don't fuck up anyone's game. If you can abide by that and
have a track record for contributing, then that's basically good as gold. Pix
are a requirement, however. The Lounge is in many ways an EXTENSION of Cliff's
List and is not an alternative. You don't have to be a PRO, but you MUST play
the game. If you are only WANTING to ONE DAY chase skirts, please don't bother
joining.
Mystery is now offering his in-field Mystery Method (MM) BASIC TRAINING workshop
in several cities. Click http://mysterymethod.1avenue.com/ for more information,
workshop locations, dates & to sign up.
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New Links to be explored (WE NEED THESE REVIEWED!): 1) The website reads as
follows and we need someone's review of this: "Impress everybody! Make
your life happen on purpose! Matthew Whiting an English and Psychology graduate
from Canterbury University and later a graduate of The National Academy of Performing
Arts, has created this revolutionary step-by-step training system which will
give you the means to becoming irresistibly attractive. Hence enabling you to
gain the relationship and life that you want. Whether it is on stage or in real
life we all know the "x" factor when we see it! But can we produce
our own individual "x factor"? In this book Matthew Whiting's radical
new approach to "being irresistibly attractive" will show you how
to: Master these personal strategies to become more Charismatic: · Learn
how to be master of your own intention · Taking action
· Being a successful leader
· Learning confidence
· ...and a lot more...
Master these personal strategies for more Passion: · How to be funny
· Leaving a lasting impression
· How to utilize the power of speech
· Extraordinary kissing
· Flirting - a delightful, innocent, and respectful way to play with
each other!
· ...and a lot more...(18 Chapters in total!) This book is jam-packed
with tonnes of information, (185 A4-size pages). It is written in a tongue-in-cheek
manner which is easy to follow, and you are sure to enjoy. Once you experience
the marvelous changes that Matthew Whiting enables you to make, you can shape
your relationships and other life circumstances exactly as you'd like them to
be." http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades 2) How to create sexual
chemistry! This one looks interesting -- we need a review!
http://www.attractwomennow.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi/Cliffslist 3)
Welcome to CheekyCherry.co.uk, home of what has been called the bible of 'attracting
women, keeping them and sleeping with them'.
http://www.cheekycherry.co.uk/Main_categories/seduction_and_dating/dating_guide.html
4) Courses for women to seduce men!
http://www.ihrt.co.uk/seductionsystems/text%20gals.htm 5) Guys Guide to Girls
- A guide to relationships. How to overcome shyness and understand your partner...
http://www.philipov.com/guys1.htm 6) Wally's Seduction Tips for Desperate Bachelors
http://www.wallyandmurk.com/wally/sedution/Wallymag.html 7) Help with seduction
- for women who want to seduce men.
http://www.seducehim.com/
8) The website reads as follows and we need someone's review of this: "Ladies!
Never date a stranger unless you've checked him out first!
Fortunately, a basic background check is an easy thing to do, via the telephone
and the Internet. In just a matter of minutes, you can find out a great deal
on your own about any potential date (or even your fiance' or husband) using
the simple, free background check techniques described in our new "how-to"
manual.
CHECK HIM OUT FIRST! "Check Him Out! - The American Woman's Guide to Background
Investigations" guides you through the entire background check process
using clear, nontechnical language. You'll be amazed to learn that there's a
lot that can be done just by using the telephone intelligently!
Without even touching a computer, you can usually verify someone's name, address,
age, occupation, and even marital status over the telephone if you know which
government public records office to call and what information to ask for. "Check
Him Out!" is written for you -- the American woman with no knowledge of
public records and background checks, but with a need to do some quick basic
checking. It's easy to follow, and while it won't make you a seasoned "gumshoe,"
it will make you quite knowledgeable about the subject and will teach you all
you need to know to conduct a thorough basic background check on your own --
plus, it will show you where and how to get competent, reasonably priced help
if you later decide you want a more complex, in-depth background check done.
All this for $11.95 is hard to beat!" http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/washres
9) For those of you interested in being a bigger man, check out: http://www.angelfire.com/amiga/yourown/bigdickie.htm
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