Who said anything about SLEEPING?!

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Remember to remember to attend The David Seminar:

Now you can pay through Paypal and this allows payments by credit cards. Just go to www.paypal.com (the email address you need to use is [email protected]).

The seminar will be held November 16-18 here in Montreal and more information is available by emailing me. Cost is $500 US with a $200 US deposit. Early registrations are greatly encouraged.

David will be elaborating on his system to find, meet, attract, bed, and keep women.

Among the topics David will discuss and present his views on will be: - Confidence
- How to really get back your ex or to attract that one special girl - How to pick up strippers
- How to create, manage and keep a "stable" of women simultaneously - How to have threesomes and multiples
- How to overcome resistance when you are about to close the deal - How he uses language (he has many unique ideas that you won't learn through NLP or anywhere else)
- The importance of setting your rules and sticking to them - How honesty, trust and respect are your golden keys (this is the reframe to beat all reframes)
and much more. David will also spend time giving his ideas about how to solve your individual issues.

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Mark B.:
I found another great site for understanding and dealing with women.
Check out www.successways.com and go the section entitled FAQ for men. A great section where the author details an extensive understanding of women but more on relationships and what both sexes look for. You can also get his book How to Succeed with
Women which is the same title of the other book by Copeland and Louis I am reading.
What I found intriguing is where he talks about why women give out mixed messages and
act incongruent and what to do about it. He says the reason is that women feel incongruent
and act that way in order to have a man put them back in line and offer them direction for
they do not feel like they have it themselves. This is where being in control takes its root.
If you do not provide her with direction through control and your own congruent behaviour
she does not get what she is looking for. This is why in the past whenever I challenged a woman's
flimsy behaviour and gave her direction she always warmed up to me and when I did not they
usually walked. In addition so many women say they lose attraction for a man who does
everything to please her and she can have his way with him. He in essence is not calming her
lack of congruity and she feels vulnerable to the world and loses attraction. I think this is where
the roots of being a nice guy versus a jerk and a supplicant versus a selfish guy begin.
Therefore it seems that when we challenge her behaviour, stand up to her, give her direction,
tell her what is good for her she feels good around you because that is what she wants.

The site contains tons of other useful stuff. I highly recommend this site and the book as well.

Last night I printed off the entire FAQ for men from www.succeessways.com and read the whole 30 pages. I also ordered How to Succeed with Women by Anthony Badalamenti that wrote
the insights in the site. The insights are amazing because they concur which virtually everything I
experienced in the real world. They are excellent because they tell you what women are thinking, how to deal with their incongruity and why it exists, how to make a good first impression, what women want from men and on and on. One of the best because it tells you how women react to your actions and how your actions make her feel.

Question for all of you. Here is some background info. I recently discovered that there is a strong possibility that a woman I have been pursuing for a while may actually be gay but she has never admitted that to me. Here is the evidence:
She never told me she was gay but insisted we stay just friends - no woman has ever insisted that we become just friends except her. If they were not interested they either did not respond to me or simply indulged in my attention and liked it although never succumbing to my romantic wishes. She took great offence to any gay jokes I ever said. Once she said to me "What's the matter with you, you do not like gay people?" She said she had many gay friends and lives on a gay Street in Toronto. She told me she knows a lot about gay history and how many people married just for show while being secretly gay. She was married to a man for 10 months. She claimed he refused to sleep with her long before the marriage began. He had an affair and confronted her with a picture of the other woman and demanded a divorce. She is a perfect 10 and no man would refuse sex with her no matter how much he disliked her. I think she refused to sleep with him and lied about it to cover up. Otherwise why would he respond the way he did when he said he loved her dearly? Once she accused me of taking her pants off while she was sleeping on our first date, we were dozing but I thought she knew what was happening. She exploded on me and said she only wanted to be friends.
In the last three years she has had at least different three female roommates and now lives with a woman, the 4th one now, although she is a high income earner (80k and up). No single, straight, high income earner women I know lived with so many women over such a short period or even any women at all.
She never actually said she likes men or is attracted to them but she was married to a man and said she dated them in the past. Based on this I assumed she was straight. She has never really said anything positive about straight men and once said she prefers the company of gay men.
She has always scorned at any women that have become involved with all of her female friends girlfriends. She has taken great offence to any suggestions of us becoming romantically involved and any jokes I may have made regarding us being romantically involved or the slightest suggestions of us having sex, dating, kissing or whatever. She became very angry and upset at the smallest hint of any of that.
When she met my mother she said my mother was "A VERY BEAUTIFUL WOMAN" emphasis on very beautiful. No other woman that has ever met my mother ever commented on my mother's looks let alone the many times she did. I have slept with over 50 women and gone out with 3 times as many in my 28 years of life and no straight woman has ever behaved this way.
Could this one be really gay and just hides it to protect her prim and proper image?
What do you guys think?

I also wanted to know what is the real motivation for any of you to want to become great PUA's. Other than having sexual gratification what motivates you to have the ability to have and get many women. A friend of mine who is on the list suggested that many of the things we post are hateful to women. I would disagree but I am curious what are the deep seated motivations for us being so heavily involved in wanting to be highly successful with the opposite sex?
My motivation seems to be looking for the woman that will accept me for who I am and admire me and my accomplishments without judgement as well as provide me with freedom to go about my life without constraint or judgement. This may be why I love dancers because they work nights and do not tie themselves into you as other women on weekends because they work.
Hence I am free to chase other women. Also the more better looking women I have and sleep with seems to elevate my sense of self worth as a man to the world. I love it when people see with a hot women by my side. I feel great power from that. How about you?

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Ross:
(Commenting on: "Bucky: I'm wondering, how do some of you guys handle flakiness from chicks? Lately, practically every girl that has agreed to meet me for a coffee date has ended up not showing up. What's up with that?
It should be noted that all these girls are right around the ages of 19-21 so I assume that flakiness should be expected. I'm curious about how much the flakiness has to do with me and how much it has to do with the fact that young girls are generally pretty flaky. If anyone has experience in dealing with younger chicks, your help would be appreciated."):

At that age they are bombarded with SO much stimulus, you don't last very long in their minds. The best way to get these chicks, at this age, is to nail them the same day you meet them, preferably at a party or some such thing.

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Stephane:
Commenting on Stephanie: (”What the guys in your newsletter don't seem to get is that slight manipulation is one thing, but flat out deception is not right.)

Where do you come off saying that about us? I have read each any every single one of these emails (That’s A LOT of reading!) and not ONCE have I read anything about deception. You’re deceiving yourself about most of the men on this list, Stephanie.

Commenting on (“We all play little games in the matter of love, but becoming someone you have no ability to be does not work. I am all for improving ourselves, but we need to also remember to be realistic with our limitations.)

I am 5 foot 10, and will never be 6 foot 2. I’ve accepted that. But if you’re referring to traits of personality, communication skills, beliefs, or ANY inner qualities and characteristics whatsoever, then I’m going to have to disagree. If you want to engage in the activity of ‘being realistic’ about your limitations, then I strongly urge you realistically view them as things you can change. Go ahead and try to show me ONE limitation in a human being that can’t be altered in some way. In fact, I’m even going to go so far as to say that staying the same is absolutely impossible. What YOU don’t seem to get is that deep deep inside you, and all of us, there’s a learning machine that’s soooooo special…

Commenting on MTL_PUA (Always works. Stick your fist out and say "Don't leave me hanging on this!" Let them knock your fist with theirs. It's a sign of acceptance and creates an immediate bond. I have used this with HB9/10's and it lowers their bitch shield fairly fast.)

I don’t get it. Could you explain this further? Anything to lower bitch shields…

Commenting on (I order 2 drinks, and as I turn around. I can see her extending her hand for the drink (I bought it for NL9 actually), so I just go see NL9 right away and give it to him. I turn around and she has that "I can't believe you!!!" look on her face. Total break state.)

Brings new meaning to the “Take away”! This is so good, I can just see her face now…but she deserved it for assuming. I’m going to push this one step further and buy two drinks for MYSELF next time I’m at a bar with an HB, just for the fun of it.

Commenting on (Next I go into what I call my “Hitting On Me Connection Pattern”. This is pure gold. If there is 1 pattern you need to know, it's this one!)

WELL?????

Commenting on (I was not next to mine in the cab, and by the time we got to the hotel, she was NOT in that trance mode anymore, with not enough time to re-engage.)

AHHH, the importance of anchoring. You could have got her in trance mode again by firing off anchors and/or asking questions that ‘force’ her to go into trance. Next time I see you, I’ll show you what a handshake interrupt is! Either way, I know it can be very difficult to F close such a young girl who has a BF, and probably reservations about ‘cheating’.

I like to say, “I’m glad to hear that you don’t believe in cheating, because I have to agree that I would never cheat myself out of my own pleasure either! <insert kiss here>

Commenting on (She kept talking about sex, but stressing that she does not sleep with men right away. She went to the extreme by saying "Tom, if you think you are going to sleep with me tonight, I would definitely tell you to forget it.")

The embedded command here is ‘sleep with me tonight’. She ran a pattern on YOU! Aren’t chycks evil? I can’t recall having ever failed after hearing something like that. I might say, “Who said anything about SLEEPING?!”

Commenting on (She told me that she was reluctant to meet with me a second time because of my age (her 26; me 22)

Just say, “AWWW, poor baby!” or “I’m sensing a real EGO here. Do you think I date OLD BAGS or something?! Shit, you could be my mommy!”

Or if you really want to knock her out on her ass, “You’re not talking about age, but of MATURITY. What’s your definition of maturity?”

She will probably stumble a little and try to find the right words to describe it. When she’s done with her description, you have the PERFECT opportunity to give a much more sophisticated and ‘mature’ definition.

Just say, “Maturity is the balance between courage and consideration. See, you can have the courage to express your ideas and feelings to others, but if it’s not BALANCED with a sincere consideration for the ideas and feelings of others, then you are immature. OR, you can be soooo considerate for the feelings of others, but not have enough of a backbone to stand up to other people and really express yourself. So to me, the key to being truly mature is to be constantly striving for the balance between being considerate AND courageous.”

This pattern will blow her away and should cause her to re-evaluate. Try it!

Commenting on (She asked me if I was the type of guy to flirt a lot when I get into a relationship)

“Well, there’s a difference between flirting, and seducing. I flirt with almost all women because it’s fun and it feels good. And I encourage my girlfriends to do the same. And IF I were to be in a relationship with a woman who is giving me everything I’ve always dreamed of, and who is capable of letting me give HER everything that she’s always dreamed of, I would definitely change.”

Commenting on (Follow your heart)

You seem to use this ‘command’ a lot, and your pattern (I didn’t re-post it here because it’s so long) is extremely sophisticated and amazing. It’s definitely going into my bag of tricks, and I’m going to be sprinkling a lot of “Follow your heart” into what I do from now on! Keep it up, bro…

Commenting on (No name? No problem; I'll call you #1 and you #2 and you #3.
No immediate interest? Just tell them they are BORING. They WILL cheer up; otherwise, eject as they are NOT worth knowing.)

I’ve just hit a new level of awareness of what I can do with this sort of thing. Thank you for putting it so bluntly. I see visions dancing in my mind of beautiful women APOLOGIZING to me and begging for one more chance to prove that they are worthy….

Commenting on (What I didn't take into consideration is that I'm a polarity responder. I finally started doing "negative affirmations" i.e.
telling myself I'm timid or suffer
"paralysis or analysis" or whatever. My natural contrariness set in and I became determined
to prove my statements wrong. I have found this to be much more effective in improving my weaknesses.)

If I were you, I'd pat myself on the fuckin' back for being flexible like that! It is a rare person indeed who can stop analyzing why something isn't working and just utilize the processes that are already in place. Because analysis is paralysis.

In FrogsIntoPrinces, Bandler tells a story of a woman in one of his seminars. He was in the middle of explaining to the group that "Every 'part' of every person, no matter how illogical, always serves a positive function." And the woman shouted,"That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard! I have a part of me that everytime I go to do something, tells me I can't and I'm gonna fail!"

So Bandler tranced her out and asked her unconscious why it was telling her to fail all the time. It said,"I was trying to motivate her!!"

So Bandler looks at the woman and goes,"I bet you'd never be able to come up here and work on this in front of the group" :-)

Commenting on (I would say that from my personal experience men are much more hung up on what a woman looks like and women are more hung up on what they themselves look like.)

You could be right. But I see alot of guys out there that are dating ugly beasts. But hey, let's face it...if I can't stand to look at you, I won't FUCK YOU. Because it's the old equity principle, and I believe that if you are an 8, then you should date someone who's in the 7-9 range. Otherwise people unconsciously restore the balance by being unpleasant to the less-pretty person. If you're a fat pig, you should, in my opinion, date other fat pigs. OK, sure...you COULD go after a skinny model and get her, but unless you have something to balance it out, such as money or an amazing personality....

Commenting on (I know plenty of women who date or are married to less than attractive men. You see it all the time, especially in these movies where the old guy gets the young hot thing.)

I don't like the way you phrase it. Try it my way!

"You see it all the time,
especially in these movies where the DUMB young hot thing gets the sophisticated, mature, incredibly wise older guy, and he is actually willing to overlook her flaws!"

Commenting on (How about asking your readers if they would date a less than appealing woman with a terrific personality rather than a gorgeous model that bored them to tears?)

You just assume that we are soooo bad, eh, Stephanie! MAN! Don't get me wrong, I love it, you bitch!

Personally, I don't go for gorgeous model types. Gorgeous women are really fucked up because of it, and I quit the therapist act 6 years ago. Well actually, I still use the therapist act because I do therapy, or what I call education.

Commenting on (If we go out together she announces to anyone that will listen that I am in a committed relationship and that I am going to marry my boyfriend, because she feels every guy meets me and wants me. Maybe compared to her that is true, but not because I am prettier but rather because she is plain miserable to be around all the time.)

And YOU haven't gotten rid of her because secretly you enjoy hanging out with her because you get to feel superior! It's not uncommon.
Because why else would you hang with her if she is constantly pissy and sabotaging you? You're prolly just another good-looking-big-titted-chyck from California!

Commenting on ((Commenting on: STEPHANE - "Now this is the part where I need to apologize to
anyone on this list that is religious. I'm sorry."): NightLight9 responds: Talk about an ambiguity or what? :-)

Stephane responds: I am glad somebody noticed, because I was totally laughing my ass off as I wrote it! For those of you that don't know what ambiguous means...tough
luck! Just kidding, it means that it can have more than one meaning.

Commenting on (I've got a question on a special situation; what extra measures do guys on this list take when the girl you're working on (Church pussy again, in this case) has only had sex with one man, particularly if it's her last BF. For me it's a cold shutdown: I assume she's probably still in love with him. How do you guys (especially your friend, Stephane) handle this?)

Assuming that she is still in love, or ever was, is an assumption that I just refuse to make. Also keep in mind that women LIE about how many partners they've had. Especially Church pussy!

It's hard for me to explain how I would handle this because I don't know you or CP (Church pussy). MY style is usually very direct.
If I want to know something, I usually just ask! Because I like to know right away who I am dealing with. And I think that at this point you should've already banged this CP or at least found out that she is too much work.

Alot of guys tell me things like,"I've been sargin' this chyck, man!"

ME:"Oh yeah, when did you meet her?"

THEM:"About 12 months ago..."

Hehe...Get it? I usually know in the first 3 minutes if she is fuckable or not. Because I have a very detailed criteria list and right away I find out if she fits or not. Because when guys spend all this time worrying about one chyck for months and months they are acting as if they're IMMORTAL.

Everytime I show someone my list of criteria they always have the same response,"WOW! Steph, can I have a copy??" If you guys want me to post it, just ask.

Cliff's Comment: Fork it over!

Stephane Commenting on (I'm wondering, how do some of you guys handle flakiness from chicks? Lately, practically every girl that has agreed to meet me for a coffee date has ended up not showing up. What's up with that?
It should be noted that all these girls are right around the ages of 19-21 so I assume that flakiness should be expected. I'm curious about how much the flakiness has to do with me and how much it has to do with the fact that young girls are generally pretty flaky. If anyone has experience in dealing with younger chicks, your help would be appreciated.)

Flaking is to be expected from young chycks, especially if you frame meeting her for
coffee as a DATE. It is not a date! You're going to be there already, and if she wants to
show up that's ok too, as long as she behaves herself. Because a DATE is way too much pressure
for a dumb-ass 19 year-old to handle!

Try to get her to do something with you on the spot.

If a girl flakes, it has nothing to do with you, ever. Because she doesn't know you. It's
either your approach that failed or her life is a mess or both.

Come up with a line that you can use to inoculate against being stood up. Try telling them
IF they want to come by the coffee shop, it's OK, and it's OK if they don't. Tell her you'll
be there ALREADY. And if she doesn't seem enthusiastic and excited and lucky that you even
ASKED, then get really cocky and tell her that it's ok if she decides to show up, but not to
get any funny ideas, because you don't want anything serious right now. Use the same weapons
on them that they use on you.

Commenting on (Also, does anyone have any good responses for when chicks say, "I don't give
out my #." I've heard that one a few times in the past couple of weeks and haven't been able
to overcome it yet)

Don't ask for her number, ask for her email. Use the 'Do you have email?' technique, it's
so much better. Because asking a girl for her number is what ALL guys do, and is a trigger
for her to blow you off.

Anyways, if you're worried about what you could be doing wrong, ask a woman friend to help
you. Maybe you dress funny or have a nervous tick or something. I know a guy that wonders
why girls don't like him, and he has a very whiny tonality. Since most people don't HEAR
consciously, he had no idea. Of course, when I pointed it out to him he told me to mind
my own business! He is the kind of sucker that listens to women who tell him to just 'be himself'. Now he is truly himself and all by himself. He also dresses like a freak
and believes in 'individuality' a little too much. I told him that he doesn't need to worry
about being unique because of his fingerprints, but he didn't think that was funny. And now
he gets to not laugh all by himself...

Commenting on (The_Asiatic said,"What do you boys think of all this?")

I think you did great, handled yourself extremely well. You WILL nail this girl.

What's 'folliculitis'? I would do a little research on that!

Anyway, this girl definitely has a crappy opinion of herself and don't expect that to change.
She sounds pretty high maint and is prolly the kind of girl that will throw many guilt trips
your way. Personally, I would have told her to call me when she gets some self-esteem. After
meeting with David, my attitude has really changed, and I am much more direct and more willing
to walk away. Actually, I enjoy rejecting women now and get a total kick out of it. It's not
that I hate women, I just don't have the patience to sit there convincing them of anything.

I just had an interesting experience this morning with a chyck. She called me up, and this was approximately how it went:

ME: Hello?
HER: HI STEPH!
ME: Hey, what's up?
HER: What are you up to?
ME: I'm just helping a friend fix his computer. He doesn't know what he's doing, and it's
getting pretty frustrating...
HER: Well you can't expect everyone to be an expert! After all, YOU don't know everything
about chemistry and physics and....
ME: (Getting really annoyed by her tone, etc) You're annoying me now, call me back when
you're in a good mood and not before! OK? Bye. (click!)

See, I have a rule. I ONLY wanna talk to you if you're pleasant, and my GF's know not to
pick fights or annoy me. Life's too short.

So she sent me this email 2 minutes later:

Look, I'm sorry but I WAS in a good mood! Now I just spent my last quarter and I'm gonna
have to bum one off a stranger so I can call you back!
BYE,
Susie

As I was writing my reply, she called back 5 times. 5 bummed quarters from 5 strangers. Here
was my reply:

When I met you, I told you right off the bat that I don't argue, and I don't listen to
tonality that annoys me. Yours did, so I hung up. And I'm not answering because I don't
wanna argue. Now, we're supposed to get together tonight at 9:00. So please take all of
your anger and frustration and double it. Hold onto it all day long, and let it build.
Because the more it builds, the more you'll save that anger for where it's appropriate: IN THE BEDROOM. Because you've been a BAD GIRL. And you know what I do to
bad girls! See you at 9:00.
Stephane

This is a great way to diffuse anger! Works like a charm. Here was her reply:

Steph, I HATE YOU!!! : ) See you at 9:00! You bastard! I had to bum like 20 quarters
and you didn't even answer the phone! I'm gonna fuck your brains out tonight you asshole!
Don't be late!
bye,
Susie

Now, let's analyze this, because this type of shit really seems to work on women.
First, I felt annoyed by her tonality, told her, and hung up. Isn't that a little
harsh?

I don't think it is, because her tonality HONESTLY annoyed me. I shouldn't have to be subjected
to that, so I told her calmly how I felt and hung up.

Now, the first line in her email was designed to make me feel guilty. So I wrote her back
and told her my rule. Then, instead of telling her to stop being angry like most people do
when someone is angry, I told her to get ANGRIER! This totally fries their brain, and typically
they begin to cool down OR they amplify the anger like I told them to. That's ok,
because now I'm controlling it. I'm prescribing the symptom, which is a BriefTherapy technique.

Then I reframe anger from being a bad thing into a good thing, something we can use to have
awesome sex. Because everyone knows that anger and sex can be really appetizing! Plus,
I'll get to skip the 'beforeplay' and just fuck her brains out...

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PRODUCTS AND LINKS (There's some NEW STUFF in here, and I will try and put something new in here as often as possible):

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Comments on this product from Tony B.:
I thought I might drop you a quick line regarding some of the more popular sites that have been seen within this "seduction community." After seeing several terrible reviews and "flames" from alt.seduction.fast, I decided to make a decision for myself based upon my own ideas of what could be offered on the Seven Magic Words product and after several months of reading great novels about how to attract women and multiple posts about how women are most attracted to men, I STILL found the site to be beneficial. After joining the site, I was happy to learn all the new techniques that I have never seen on any list and that alone made it worth the money. I am not typically the type of person that spends money on a site especially a seduction site, I would rather pay for some audio or video, but the information that was offered was different and unequal to anything I have seen in the past. At any rate, I know you wanted a review.. and I have actually come to know the owner, and he puts more attention in his members area than I would expect to see from any other site.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/smackudown DATING INSIDER Not only does this next site give you an unconditional 1 year no risk money back guarantee, but it stands alone and it's program is unmatched. Right now they're doing a Free Trial period, and I'd take advantage of this while you can. The site reads "Learn the proven secrets for meeting, attracting, and seducing women. From A - Z, you'll discover the most advanced techniques for picking up women ever developed." Check out their Free Trial (before it ends) and you'll see why their members like this program so much. Click on
http://www.dating-insider.com/international/welcome.html.
How to Lay Girls Guide The ultimate SEDUCTION SECRETS database: http://www.layguide.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=Cliffslist

NEW RECOMMENDATIONS:
I am about 75% through The Sexual Key and it is one of the best works I have read about understanding the language that women respond to. I give this a strong recommendation and the price is right, too (the book can be downloaded off the net for
$27.93). http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist.sexualkey

THE UNKNOWN! (Not reviewed)
HYPNO-TECH Here's another one which I think has been reviewed here in the past but I haven't gone through the old emails to check. "Do You Want To Know A Simple, Two Minute Hypnotic Technique That Lets YOU Secretly Put Any Woman Into An Instant Trance And Persuades Her To Ask YOU Out?
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/hypnotech ADVANCED MACKING Advanced Macking has one of the most enticing websites. An updated review would also be welcome.
http://links.verotel.com/cgi-bin/showsite.verotel?vercode=66629804000000274976 This one also looked pretty interesting. The link for more information on breakups and loving-styles is http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/Tigress Success Secrets Our free newsletter reveals it all Money and Personal Finance secrets; Business & Marketing secrets; Health, Fitness, and Weight-Loss advice; Self Defense secrets; Memory Improvement tips; Smart Advice on Flirting, Dating, Sex, and Relationships; Personal Development tips; Communication and Negotiation tips; Tax Secrets & Loopholes!
Investment and Stock Market tips; and Much More http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/prodeskcom The Ultimate Guide to Powerful Relationships is only $8.95 and looks very interesting. Comments, please. http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades Here's a new one I found which needs to be reviewed: "Guys! Get More Pussy with our Adult Personals Inside Secrets Guide! Plus! Free Survey Results of Women Using Personals for Sex The Guide contains the following Inside Secrets Replying to ads - how to get noticed and get a date for hot sex.
Placing ads - how to beat the competition and get lots of replies How to handle follow up communication to keep her interested. Examples of replies that worked on us. You can just copy and paste these into your ads or replies. Saves you time and increases your chances! A directory of the best websites for meeting hot women! Sick of chicks who are only into cybersex and nothing else! The Guide contains a list of the best adult personals sites."
http://secure.ibill.com/cgi-win/ccard/rscookie.exe?RevShareID=9804000000274976& returnto=http://www.mysexinfo.com <http://www.mysexinfo.com/ Secrets of Power Persuasion! A course by Jian Wang to teach you how to write hypnotic language to make others obey your command.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/mrchange Arte's New Sex Video is kind of interesting. He shows a lot about playing with a woman's g spot (which he demonstrates on his comely girlfriend - but I could have done without seeing your dick, Arte). I will do a more extensive review after I have watched it again more carefully: http://amos.simonweb.com/loveebook/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=lrec HERE'S A NEW ONE
Suspect your spouse of cheating on you? Check this out http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/spouse1

FREE PLUGS
The following are all recommended but clicking on the links and buying from them doesn't send any money back here (it is also recommended that the sponsors of these sites consider setting this up -- from the little experience I have had since I started the commercial section a couple of weeks ago, I think you are missing a lot of business by not doing this) http://www.speed-seduction.com/ - The # 1 source; read the free newsletters & get the basic course.
http://www.trucor.com/ - Major Mark's site, the place to learn hypnosis and about married women
http://www.essential-skills.com/ - learn anchoring, tonality, rapport, goal getting, etc.
http://www.davidshade.com/ Give women incredible pleasure get David Shade's Manual
http://www.fastseduction.com/ - great resource, a must visit http://www.sosuave.com/ - lots of free materials, many good ideas and articles http://www.mindcontrolmanual.com/ - seduce men and women through the power of the mind
http://www.oscarbruce.com/ - All his books deal with perusasion, manipulation and a mild form of seduction. Books like School for Scoundrels focus on getting your way with people and getting them to see things your way.

Get on Mystery's Lounge - send him an email at [email protected] with REQUEST MEMBERSHIP in the subject line. Include your REAL name, your experience, background in the PUA, some online PUA's who can vouch for you (references), and a real pic of yourself. If you do not wish to give this REAL information, don't join. Only the PRO's are in there anyways - we discuss lots of stuff but it's the REAL pix of our conquests and the fact that we don't HIDE who we are to each other that makes it appealing. MANY of the members Mystery has personally sarged with. The rule is simple don't fuck up anyone's game. If you can abide by that and have a track record for contributing, then that's basically good as gold. Pix are a requirement, however. The Lounge is in many ways an EXTENSION of Cliff's List and is not an alternative. You don't have to be a PRO, but you MUST play the game. If you are only WANTING to ONE DAY chase skirts, please don't bother joining.
Mystery is now offering his in-field Mystery Method (MM) BASIC TRAINING workshop in several cities. Click http://mysterymethod.1avenue.com/ for more information, workshop locations, dates & to sign up.

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New Links to be explored (WE NEED THESE REVIEWED!): 1) The website reads as follows and we need someone's review of this: "Impress everybody! Make your life happen on purpose! Matthew Whiting an English and Psychology graduate from Canterbury University and later a graduate of The National Academy of Performing Arts, has created this revolutionary step-by-step training system which will give you the means to becoming irresistibly attractive. Hence enabling you to gain the relationship and life that you want. Whether it is on stage or in real life we all know the "x" factor when we see it! But can we produce our own individual "x factor"? In this book Matthew Whiting's radical new approach to "being irresistibly attractive" will show you how to: Master these personal strategies to become more Charismatic: · Learn how to be master of your own intention · Taking action
· Being a successful leader
· Learning confidence
· ...and a lot more...
Master these personal strategies for more Passion: · How to be funny
· Leaving a lasting impression
· How to utilize the power of speech
· Extraordinary kissing
· Flirting - a delightful, innocent, and respectful way to play with each other!
· ...and a lot more...(18 Chapters in total!) This book is jam-packed with tonnes of information, (185 A4-size pages). It is written in a tongue-in-cheek manner which is easy to follow, and you are sure to enjoy. Once you experience the marvelous changes that Matthew Whiting enables you to make, you can shape your relationships and other life circumstances exactly as you'd like them to be." http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades 2) How to create sexual chemistry! This one looks interesting -- we need a review!
http://www.attractwomennow.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi/Cliffslist 3) Welcome to CheekyCherry.co.uk, home of what has been called the bible of 'attracting women, keeping them and sleeping with them'.
http://www.cheekycherry.co.uk/Main_categories/seduction_and_dating/dating_guide.html 4) Courses for women to seduce men!
http://www.ihrt.co.uk/seductionsystems/text%20gals.htm 5) Guys Guide to Girls - A guide to relationships. How to overcome shyness and understand your partner... http://www.philipov.com/guys1.htm 6) Wally's Seduction Tips for Desperate Bachelors http://www.wallyandmurk.com/wally/sedution/Wallymag.html 7) Help with seduction - for women who want to seduce men.
http://www.seducehim.com/
8) The website reads as follows and we need someone's review of this: "Ladies! Never date a stranger unless you've checked him out first!
Fortunately, a basic background check is an easy thing to do, via the telephone and the Internet. In just a matter of minutes, you can find out a great deal on your own about any potential date (or even your fiance' or husband) using the simple, free background check techniques described in our new "how-to" manual.
CHECK HIM OUT FIRST! "Check Him Out! - The American Woman's Guide to Background Investigations" guides you through the entire background check process using clear, nontechnical language. You'll be amazed to learn that there's a lot that can be done just by using the telephone intelligently!
Without even touching a computer, you can usually verify someone's name, address, age, occupation, and even marital status over the telephone if you know which government public records office to call and what information to ask for. "Check Him Out!" is written for you -- the American woman with no knowledge of public records and background checks, but with a need to do some quick basic checking. It's easy to follow, and while it won't make you a seasoned "gumshoe," it will make you quite knowledgeable about the subject and will teach you all you need to know to conduct a thorough basic background check on your own -- plus, it will show you where and how to get competent, reasonably priced help if you later decide you want a more complex, in-depth background check done. All this for $11.95 is hard to beat!" http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/washres 9) For those of you interested in being a bigger man, check out: <http://www.angelfire.com/amiga/yourown/bigdickie.htm>

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