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Update on The David Seminar: Below you will find commentary on David's in person consultation and another from Giri who had a phone consultation.

Now you can pay through Paypal and this allows payments by credit cards. Just go to www.paypal.com.

The seminar will be held November 16-18 here in Montreal and more information is available by emailing me. Cost is $500 US with a $200 US deposit. Early registrations are greatly encouraged.

David will be elaborating on his system to find, meet, attract, bed, and keep women.

Among the topics David will discuss and present his views on will be: - Confidence
- How to really get back your ex or to attract that one special girl - How to pick up strippers
- How to create, manage and keep a "stable" of women simultaneously - How to have threesomes and multiples
- How to overcome resistance when you are about to close the deal - How he uses language (he has many unique ideas that you won't learn through NLP or anywhere else)
- The importance of setting your rules and sticking to them - How honesty, trust and respect are your golden keys (this is the reframe to beat all reframes)
and much more. David will also spend time giving his ideas about how to solve your individual issues.

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James:
Meeting with David was less a matter of learning a specific technique, but a way of BEING. This guy was a spontaneous blast! One learns simply what it means to set forth through the world with your best foot forward and essentially attract women because of that. Though he scratches his head and wonders why guys are having so much trouble in their romantic life, it's really because he does all of this so subconsciously on auto-pilot.
For fellow SS'ers, you will notice his process language skills are quite evident, though he never studied Speed Seduction. However, David's attitude/confidence is the true missing link for a lot of us that bridges all seduction study skills and brings everything full circle. This is the kind of "jump-start" that a lot of us need to become better in the Romance world. Among his philosophies, David points out that YOU are the most important person in the relationship, but stresses that you do not have to treat women negatively in order to achieve this. He teaches us not to be afraid of anything in life.
David is a man who likes life and likes to make people happy which shows and I think is fundamental to his success with women. I would highly recommend folks attend David's seminar next month.

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Giri (Commenting on his telephone consultation with David): Here is what I learned.
David has some simple rules:
Rule#1: Who cares what they say
Rule#2: You are the most important person in the relationship.
Rule#1 does not mean that you don't listen to what a woman has to say. It just means that you do not attach an inordinate amount of importance to it. I think this is an especially helpful frame to take during approaches. Approach her, get her attention, attract her and close the deal. The seasoned pros don't think of whether it is rude to disturb her, what will the spectators think or how will she react. This is your world and you have to congruently go for what you want. This is all you have control over and this is all you should focus your attention on. If you control the things you can, the other things will just fall into place. And if they don't, you learn and move on.
Who cares what anybody says!
I think many people have written about the implications of David's rule #2. I will not go into detail here - just refer to earlier posts.
David says the that three things that women look for in a man are:
1)Sense of humor
2)Honesty
3)Strength
I think the first one is pretty obvious. Honesty does not mean voicing aloud all your intimate secrets but telling them exactly what you want. David does not lie to women. A part of our telephone conversation happened while he was driving his wife somewhere.
In the presence of his wife, he openly admitted that he had slept with over 500 women in his lifetime and had stopped keeping count after 500. He then went on to explain that his friends decided to play a cruel trick on him and introduced him to the 'worst bitch' in the world. Of course, he ended up marrying her! He said that his wife scared a lot of people but he was never scared of her. As he finished saying this, I overheard his wife saying to him, "Except when you see me in the morning". Just goes to prove that the guy walk his talk.
As for strength, he says that women expect men to lead. They hate 'Yes' men who will do anything they ask them to do. At the beginning of our conversation, I told David that I was born in India. David said that women in the eastern cultures are naturally taught to be subservient to their men and, therefore, there is little confusion about gender roles. Perhaps, this is why marriages last so long in the east. What David said to me next was a real revelation: He said that there are more women in the west than anywhere else that are willing to be submissive to a man. Thanks to the increasing social status of women in western society, men have begun to become intimidated by strong, attractive women. A man believes that the only way he can impress a woman is by kissing her ass.
While on the surface she may profess that this is what she wants, she secretly desires a man who has the balls to let her know what he needs from her and will not supplicate in any form. Such a man is honest enough to make no secret of his desires. Yet he is secure enough to know that not every woman will want him or that, even if every woman wants him, he will not want every woman. David told me about a guy who asked him how to seduce this gorgeous HB who had a shitty attitude and was a real bitch. David's reply was, "Why would you want to seduce her, she would just be a pain in the ass". As he put it, "It is not the face you fuck but the fuck that you have to face." There is 'good pretty' and 'bad pretty'. You have to choose what you prefer.
I had an epiphany while David spoke about honesty. The epiphany was this: In order to be honest with others, you have to first be honest with yourself! This is a big paradigm shift for me. It caused me to question the real reason for wanting to become a better PUA. Am I really looking for what I want or am I really just looking to fulfill other people's expectations. This has caused me to do some soul searching.
I have come to realize that if I just relax and stop taking myself so seriously, I can go out and have fun.
When I am just having fun, I become more responsive to what is happening around me. I am not afraid to try new and outrageous things without really caring about the outcome or other people's perceptions of me. When I am in such a state, things just fall into place effortlessly. I learn and enjoy myself at the same time. Sounds simple enough, doesn't it? But as David likes to say, "We just have to get back to the basics!".

The most important thing I learned from David is that you just have to relax and not take yourself so seriously. This is so simple, and at least for me, yet incredibly profound. A few years ago I attended a Bandler seminar on DHE and the gist of his attitude and his message was the same. If you just learn to relax, most of your problems simply vanish into thin air.
I realize that people like David and Bandler manage to magnetically attract people because they just don't care about how they are perceived or what others expect from them. They are secure enough to not need anybody's validation or approval. Think how refreshing it is to interact with a person who does not need anything from you. Most people in our lives usually need us for some reason or other. Even when they help us, they may be doing it because they would like us to think well of them. Very few people have attained the level of presence that David and Bandler have.
This, of course, does not mean that they don't do nice things for others. However, when they do anything nice, it is totally natural and unbelievably sweet.
This is part of their mystique and appeal. As I was talking to David, he had to cut short the conversation because he had to attend a friend's wedding. He told me that his friend was marrying a drop-dead gorgeous woman who just happened to be an incredible human being, in other words, everybody's dream woman. He said that not long ago, this friend was having the same problems that I am having. In fact, he said that his problems were worse. He went on to say that some day soon, whenever I am ready, I too will find my dream girl as effortlessly as his friend did. What was so sweet about that was that he had genuinely wished well for me. He didn't say this so I would like him.
He didn't say this as validation that his system really works - he does not need that. He already KNOWS it does. More importantly, even though he was giving me advice, he appreciates my inherent worth as a human being and has no doubts about my potential. Now, that is a true gift!
I think those of us who learn to become better at seduction sometimes fall into the trap of taking ourselves too seriously. We focus too much on technique and outcome. Inevitably, our sense of self worth becomes tied to our success in picking up women.
We may want to pick up every woman even though there some from whom we should probably run. If you ever get stuck in such a rut, you are probably picking up lots of women but not having too much fun doing it.
If we can just relax and not take ourselves too seriously, we may find ourselves doing less work. We may even find ourselves having more fun. The trick is not to model anyone but to find out for yourself what you are like when you are at your best. Perhaps that is the ultimate state that every true PUA should strive to attain! This was the most important lesson that I learned from David.

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Mark B.:
There is a great section in the Men's Health site with a woman honestly answering guys questions.
here is the link.
http://www.menshealth.com/sex2/girlnextdoor.shtml Check out the one about nice guys versus not so nice guys especially.

I am reading "How to Succeed with Women" by Ron Louis and David Copeland.
It's a down to earth no-nonsense realistic view of how to succeed with women. I can easily relate to
many of their suggestions. What makes the book great in my opinion is the fact that it seems to be
based on real life experience and what really works, no some idealistic view of how things should work. I easily integrates word patterns, touching, kissing, mental framework and others all into one workable theory. A great read.
Check them out at http://www.howtosucceedwithwomen.com/cgi-bin/at.cgi?a=169700 and download their free seduction guide. You also get a newsletter.

Regarding the "How to Succeed with Women" book: 162 pages into the book I see the guys are geniuses.
They recommend going to hotel bars where one can find lonely business women looking for company that night - perfect for one night stands. I'll try this one out this weekend as we have tons of hotels with bars in Toronto.
They also suggest complementing a woman within a short time of meeting her to show your romantic interest - something that has always worked for me no matter how much others suggest that it's wrong to do.
They have a slew of other tips and recommendations and just by reading the first 162 pages one could have great success with that alone.

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Christopher:
(Stephanie wrinkled her brow and scribed:) > I would say that from my personal experience men are much more > hung up on what a woman looks like and women are more hung up on > what they themselves look like. I know plenty of women who date > or are married to less than attractive men. You see it all the > time, especially in these movies where the old guy gets the young > hot thing.

Not all the time. The rest of the time the silly bitches call me a pervert. Which I am, but age difference has nothing to do with it.

> Get real! Women are more willing to look beyond looks (not always, > but more so) and get to know the man.

You're right, looks aren't everything to a woman. They tend to have other autopilot crap to get hung up on, usually centered around money and power.
But then again, in Iowa there is a certain type of woman who will rise above that.

> How about asking your readers if they would date a less than > appealing woman with a terrific personality rather than a > gorgeous model that bored them to tears?

I have a minimum baseline. A woman has to be physically healthy.
Doesn't have to be Anna Kournikova, but dewlaps (that's when the belly fat folds over just below the navel) make me gag.
Seriously, your question seems to presuppose that a woman with a terrific personality is less than appealing, and that models are all vapid. I don't think it works that way. Why would you want to believe that?
I personally look at the total package. There are a lot of good looking women in the world. None of them are perfect. So I look for the ones that turn me on, and then I look further to see if I enjoy being with them. If I do, they're in luck. If I don't there's lots more to meet.
By that way, this is a classic way of dealing with the issue I learned from Ross. Not one of those things you learn from your Dad, or even your peers. Thanks, Ross.
There's something about a woman who is happy on the inside that transforms her appearance on the outside. She moves differently, her facial expressions are more inviting, and as she gets older, habitual facial expressions cast a distinctive wrinkle pattern on her face. You can tell a woman who's spent 45 years laughing and smiling from a 45 year old woman who's been snarling all her life, and I don't have to tell you which looks better to me.
Since I know that eventually I'm going to hook up with a woman permanently, I choose happy personalities over sullen persona- lities, not to mention that short term pleasure is greatly enhanced.

> Women are so busy judging what other women are wearing and > doing with their hair. You think men stare at women? Men will > walk into a room where a party is going on and check out the > women in there. I think women (on the average, of course) will > walk into the same room and also check out the women, prior > to checking out the men. Sizing up the competition, so to speak.

LOL, we know. We find this nearly universal trait in women useful in our seductioneering.

> I have this girlfriend who is tall, big boned and can stand to > lose about fifty pounds or so. She is average looking, but being > overweight does not help her out.

She'd fit right in here in Iowa. This is the spiritual homeland of fat women. You know what they say about Iowa women, don't you?
In the winter they keep you warm, and in the summer they give you shade!
Must be the karma from raising all those pigs for slaughter.

> I guess we are our own worst enemy.

No. Our worst enemies are the people who feed us fucked up things to believe while telling us it's for our own good. I'd have them all summarily executed, except that would pretty much be the end of the species.

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Brother Marcus:
[responding to Maxin:
> >What's the Frame that allows having more than one woman in his life that > >lets them all
> >be at peace with it and even like it? My experience has been that women > >tend to want
> >exclusivity even more than longevity.]

Marcus' frame for polyamory/open relationships: Commitment: the determination to attain the best possible outcome for everyone involved, BEYOND any limiting beliefs.
You're right. A woman often wants all your attention. But she would be mistaken. If she really stops and thinks about it, she DOESN'T want all your attention. If she got all of your attention, you wouldn't do the work required to keep your own life together, you wouldn't learn anything new to bring into your relationship, and you would eventually become exactly the opposite of the fascinating man she got with in the first place. This is true EVEN if you two are shacked up together, which I would never do. I should emphasize that I have had the foresight NEVER to cohabitate with someone, so I don't know much about that particular situation. Thank Gawd.
So, if she wants you to be "faithful" to her, she has a limiting belief. It limits the potential for you to bring new understandings and experience to her. She is basically saying that the things you two do together make it appropriate to give her dominion over everything ELSE that you do. And that's just imperious and domineering at its core. Whether it looks reasonable depends on your sense of possibility. If she doesn't think she's good enough to keep you coming back, then she's not acting according to the best possible outcome. Therefore monogamy is a lack of commitment.
Now, she needn't know that you've been with someone else to benefit from you having had that experience. My primary GF and I have a don't ask, don't tell policy. I don't know whether she knows about the other people I see from time to time, though I kind of assume she does. I don't know whether she has enjoyed anyone else, and it shouldn't matter whether I know. The point of our relationship is what we enjoy together. What we enjoy with others is completely immaterial. Allowing the world outside of yourself to affect your emotions is not the highest outcome. Therefore jealousy is a lack of commitment.
So! The more she wants commitment, the more she gets to let go of limiting beliefs like monogamy and jealousy. Sounds like a win-win to me. Anyone who can't be at peace with that and like it to boot is trapped in some serious limiting beliefs. If she wants exclusivity above all else, then she isn't interested in you as a person. She just wants an accessory. It's not up to me to learn her lesson for her, and I don't feel like being someone's Ken doll.
For the other women, the frame changes. It's actually a lot easier than I thought it would be. Somehow the expectation of getting your exclusive attention is diminished when they know you're already with someone. I think it was Rick who shared with us that letting all the women in your life have equal access is a prescription for disaster. Civil war always breaks out eventually. If it's clear that there is a primary, then everyone has a framework within which to achieve the best possible outcome. There is a difference
between limitations and constraints.
I'm always fine-tuning the way I present this whole thing, but the last successful way I framed it was that it's not as if there's a real relationship in the middle with little flings surrounding it. Rather, they are all real relationships, but some have a different sense of time from others. My GF is primary because she has shared with me almost three years of exploration and growth, with good prospects for another three to come.

[now responding to Stephanie: Women are more willing to look beyond looks (not always, but more so) and get to know the man. How about asking your readers if they would date a less than appealing woman with a terrific personality rather than a
gorgeous model that bored them to tears?]

Wow. Generalize away, sweetheart. You know, men are not only different from women. They are also different from other men.

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Bucky:
I'm wondering, how do some of you guys handle flakiness from chicks?
Lately, practically every girl that has agreed to meet me for a coffee date has ended up not showing up. What's up with that?
It should be noted that all these girls are right around the ages of 19-21 so I assume that flakiness should be expected. I'm curious about how much the flakiness has to do with me and how much it has to do with the fact that young girls are generally pretty flaky. If anyone has experience in dealing with younger chicks, your help would be appreciated.
Also, does anyone have any good responses for when chicks say, "I don't give out my #." I've heard that one a few times in the past couple of weeks and haven't been able to overcome it yet. Thanks.

Here's an good opener that me and a couple of friends have been using lately (mostly on the
street) will good results:
"Hi, can I ask you a question, if you were a color what would color would you be?"
"(color)"
"Cool, how to it feel to be (color)?"
She'll respond with something and it's usually easy get her talking about her interests/aspirations/whatever from there. As a stand-by, you can also say, "wow, I'll bet you're a pretty imaginative person..." then you can go into also sorts of SS/PUA speak like the cube, rose demo, etc.
I found the above routine to be a good way to screen for chicks that want to play. If they go along with it, it's a good chance that they have a sense of humor, imagination, and are probably a someone worth talking to.

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Caco:
This is in response to the mail you sent last .. and about MTL_PUA's idea. Well, it worked and like a charm. I sent it to 5/6 people and got it back from 4 within two days ....

> MTL_PUA:
> Here is a good little gimmick for flaky bitchez. If I > feel that some woman are
> disconnecting from me, or not calling me back, I just > run a new edition of
> MTL_PUA 's Life List (hehehehe). This is a bogus email > that I send out to
> chicks
> under the impression that it is a mailing list to all > of my friends. Intro
> like this:
> ---------------
> Subject: MTL_PUA 's Life List
<snip> (without knowing that it's geared especially towards > her), and WILL reply
> as long as the email makes sense. It will peak her > interest at least.
> It has worked like a charm in the past, and it always > has them emailing me
> back and asking when I will be seeing them again, and > other bullshit. Tip
> the scale in your favor.

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The Asiatic:
I got this email today:

> Hi! (asiatic),
> I just think I should explain why I didn't call you back very actively.
> Besides, this message would relieve my little guilty of not respond to > a good guy's kiss.

(She means when I tried to kiss her she said "too early!")

> In honest, you are the nicest guy that I have ever met in New York. You > are very intelligent, gifted, and warm. However, I think you are too > good for me.
> Therefore, I don't want to go through the difficult process just to > prove that my six sense is right. It would be much better if we met at > school, I would have a very good excuse to get to know you naturally > and wouldn't get hurt. Most of strangers talked to me on the street are > for my apperance. However, I am just a very normal Taiwanese girl. In > fact, I am not attractive at all. I am sufferring folliculitis on my > thighs and bottom. And I am receiveing treatment at --- health center.
> I don't think any guy would think it's an attractive thing to date a > girl like this. Since I know you value honesty, I think it's better to > tell you the truth. Therefore, if we accdentally meet again on this > crowded city, I won't feel so embarrased.
>
> I appreciate your patience in spending time to know me. I could really > know myself through your help. Personally,I really like you. But for > your happiness, you should find someone better than me.
>
> It was nice to talk to you!
> You are a real master of communication.

I know that when a woman falls in love she will instinctively say "go away" to protect herself.
If you proceed seductively she will surrender.
Is that what's happening here?
Regardless, she just called me "to return my call" from a few days ago...
She asked if I got the email. I said yes and I'm surprised.
You didn't strike me as the kind of person who doesn't feel that she deserves the best.
Some people feel they don't deserve the best in life, but I thought you would be the kind of person that feels that (soften tonality)YOU DESERVE TO HEAR YOUR NAME SPOKEN IN THAT SPECIAL WAY BY SOMEONE SPECIAL, TO BE TOUCHED IN THAT WAY THAT YOU WANNA BE TOUCHED (ok, it was on the fly and not perfect but...). She said "maybe I'm not ready" and I went into Ross's not ready pattern and she said "Wow, I never heard anything like that before." She said "but I don't wanna waste your time" and I started with "you don't think much of yourself do you?" but I caught myself and stopped in mid-sentence (thanks TOM).
Instead, I went into Ross's I walk through the world as an adult...pattern.
I said I don't have time for a serious relationship, I can't promise anything but I keep an open mind and if you can KEEP AN OPEN MIND then we can hang out and just see what happens naturally..
(she was really happy with that)
I said I like being with you and I know you like being with me so ...
why should we stop all these good times now when we have so many more wonderful times to come?
("You're right" she says)
and if you could IMAGINE SIX MONTHS FROM NOW WHEN WE'RE TOGETHER IN THE PARK, cause in six months it'll be summer, and we can have a picnic, and imagine us
laughing and having a wonderful time and looking back on this moment, talking on the phone as having been the start of all these wonderful times together, doesn't it really make YOU LOOK FORWARD TO SPENDING TIME WITH ME...
(she says "Why do you wanna spend time with me? and I said "I don't wanna be your therapist or your baby sitter."
She said "Yes, people say I'm a baby."
"You're an adult and up until this email I enjoyed being with you and hearing your voice, seeing your smile (said in my softest tonality), etc." "I dunno when I can see you" she said, and I said "I'm busy, too and I'm glad you're busy cause I don't like when someone doesn't have a life. So we understand each other this way, you know, no pressures, no expectations, ok?" Now I wanted to read this poem to you.
"Really, oh wow" she said.
TA: You wanna hear this right?
she: "Yes, I wanna listen with my ear"
TA: huh?
she: "and my heart"

(I read caterpillar/moth which I thought was appropriate and she loved it. Then I said I will tell you the word when I see you, so what's your schedule like? Remember she said she doesn't know when she can see me?
Well, we set it up for Thursday. I said I'm going shopping and I want you to come with me... so think about the caterpillar and we'll talk about it when I see you...)
Now I think she just needed a little validation. She called to see if I would "save her" right?
Ok, I didn't slap her as hard as I could have. It was a gentle slap, but now I know I have to slap harder next time and I will!
She is a real goody-goody girl and she told me previously that her ex-bf's used to tease her...
and she seems to like that. When we shop, I will tease her big time calling her "baby," etc. What do you boys think of all this?

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PRODUCTS AND LINKS (There's some NEW STUFF in here, and I will try and put something new in here as often as possible):

For those of you who are just reading about this for the first time, I decided a couple of emails ago to add links to these emails. The idea would be to get enough money in to hire someone to take over the administrative work (and also to buy things which would improve this list, such as proper mailing list software) for this list. If you were going to buy the product anyway, just use the link that appears below and you are helping to keep this list going at no extra cost to anyone.

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Comments on this product from Tony B.:
I thought I might drop you a quick line regarding some of the more popular sites that have been seen within this "seduction community." After seeing several terrible reviews and "flames" from alt.seduction.fast, I decided to make a decision for myself based upon my own ideas of what could be offered on the Seven Magic Words product and after several months of reading great novels about how to attract women and multiple posts about how women are most attracted to men, I STILL found the site to be beneficial. After joining the site, I was happy to learn all the new techniques that I have never seen on any list and that alone made it worth the money. I am not typically the type of person that spends money on a site especially a seduction site, I would rather pay for some audio or video, but the information that was offered was different and unequal to anything I have seen in the past. At any rate, I know you wanted a review.. and I have actually come to know the owner, and he puts more attention in his members area than I would expect to see from any other site.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/smackudown DATING INSIDER Not only does this next site give you an unconditional 1 year no risk money back guarantee, but it stands alone and it's program is unmatched. Right now they're doing a Free Trial period, and I'd take advantage of this while you can. The site reads "Learn the proven secrets for meeting, attracting, and seducing women. From A - Z, you'll discover the most advanced techniques for picking up women ever developed." Check out their Free Trial (before it ends) and you'll see why their members like this program so much. Click on
http://www.dating-insider.com/international/welcome.html.
How to Lay Girls Guide The ultimate SEDUCTION SECRETS database: http://www.layguide.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=Cliffslist

THE UNKNOWN! (Not reviewed)
HYPNO-TECH Here's another one which I think has been reviewed here in the past but I haven't gone through the old emails to check. "Do You Want To Know A Simple, Two Minute Hypnotic Technique That Lets YOU Secretly Put Any Woman Into An Instant Trance And Persuades Her To Ask YOU Out?
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/hypnotech ADVANCED MACKING Advanced Macking has one of the most enticing websites. An updated review would also be welcome.
http://links.verotel.com/cgi-bin/showsite.verotel?vercode=66629804000000274976 This one also looked pretty interesting. The link for more information on breakups and loving-styles is http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/Tigress Success Secrets Our free newsletter reveals it all Money and Personal Finance secrets; Business & Marketing secrets; Health, Fitness, and Weight-Loss advice; Self Defense secrets; Memory Improvement tips; Smart Advice on Flirting, Dating, Sex, and Relationships; Personal Development tips; Communication and Negotiation tips; Tax Secrets & Loopholes!
Investment and Stock Market tips; and Much More http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/prodeskcom The Ultimate Guide to Powerful Relationships is only $8.95 and looks very interesting. Comments, please. http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades Here's a new one I found which needs to be reviewed: "Guys! Get More Pussy with our Adult Personals Inside Secrets Guide! Plus! Free Survey Results of Women Using Personals for Sex The Guide contains the following Inside Secrets Replying to ads - how to get noticed and get a date for hot sex.
Placing ads - how to beat the competition and get lots of replies How to handle follow up communication to keep her interested. Examples of replies that worked on us. You can just copy and paste these into your ads or replies. Saves you time and increases your chances! A directory of the best websites for meeting hot women! Sick of chicks who are only into cybersex and nothing else! The Guide contains a list of the best adult personals sites."
http://secure.ibill.com/cgi-win/ccard/rscookie.exe?RevShareID=9804000000274976& returnto=http://www.mysexinfo.com <http://www.mysexinfo.com/ Secrets of Power Persuasion! A course by Jian Wang to teach you how to write hypnotic language to make others obey your command.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/mrchange Arte's New Sex Video is kind of interesting. He shows a lot about playing with a woman's g spot (which he demonstrates on his comely girlfriend - but I could have done without seeing your dick, Arte). I will do a more extensive review after I have watched it again more carefully: http://amos.simonweb.com/loveebook/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=lrec HERE'S A NEW ONE
Suspect your spouse of cheating on you? Check this out http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/spouse1

FREE PLUGS
The following are all recommended but clicking on the links and buying from them doesn't send any money back here (it is also recommended that the sponsors of these sites consider setting this up -- from the little experience I have had since I started the commercial section a couple of weeks ago, I think you are missing a lot of business by not doing this) http://www.speed-seduction.com/ - The # 1 source; read the free newsletters & get the basic course.
http://www.trucor.com/ - Major Mark's site, the place to learn hypnosis and about married women
http://www.essential-skills.com/ - learn anchoring, tonality, rapport, goal getting, etc.
http://www.davidshade.com/ Give women incredible pleasure get David Shade's Manual
http://www.fastseduction.com/ - great resource, a must visit http://www.sosuave.com/ - lots of free materials, many good ideas and articles http://www.mindcontrolmanual.com/ - seduce men and women through the power of the mind
http://www.oscarbruce.com/ - All his books deal with perusasion, manipulation and a mild form of seduction. Books like School for Scoundrels focus on getting your way with people and getting them to see things your way.

Get on Mystery's Lounge - send him an email at [email protected] with REQUEST MEMBERSHIP in the subject line. Include your REAL name, your experience, background in the PUA, some online PUA's who can vouch for you (references), and a real pic of yourself. If you do not wish to give this REAL information, don't join. Only the PRO's are in there anyways - we discuss lots of stuff but it's the REAL pix of our conquests and the fact that we don't HIDE who we are to each other that makes it appealing. MANY of the members Mystery has personally sarged with. The rule is simple don't fuck up anyone's game. If you can abide by that and have a track record for contributing, then that's basically good as gold. Pix are a requirement, however. The Lounge is in many ways an EXTENSION of Cliff's List and is not an alternative. You don't have to be a PRO, but you MUST play the game. If you are only WANTING to ONE DAY chase skirts, please don't bother joining.
Mystery is now offering his in-field Mystery Method (MM) BASIC TRAINING workshop in several cities. Click http://mysterymethod.1avenue.com/ for more information, workshop locations, dates & to sign up.

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New Links to be explored (WE NEED THESE REVIEWED!): 1) The website reads as follows and we need someone's review of this: "Impress everybody! Make your life happen on purpose! Matthew Whiting an English and Psychology graduate from Canterbury University and later a graduate of The National Academy of Performing Arts, has created this revolutionary step-by-step training system which will give you the means to becoming irresistibly attractive. Hence enabling you to gain the relationship and life that you want. Whether it is on stage or in real life we all know the "x" factor when we see it! But can we produce our own individual "x factor"? In this book Matthew Whiting's radical new approach to "being irresistibly attractive" will show you how to: Master these personal strategies to become more Charismatic: · Learn how to be master of your own intention · Taking action
· Being a successful leader
· Learning confidence
· ...and a lot more...
Master these personal strategies for more Passion: · How to be funny
· Leaving a lasting impression
· How to utilize the power of speech
· Extraordinary kissing
· Flirting - a delightful, innocent, and respectful way to play with each other!
· ...and a lot more...(18 Chapters in total!) This book is jam-packed with tonnes of information, (185 A4-size pages). It is written in a tongue-in-cheek manner which is easy to follow, and you are sure to enjoy. Once you experience the marvelous changes that Matthew Whiting enables you to make, you can shape your relationships and other life circumstances exactly as you'd like them to be." http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades 2) How to create sexual chemistry! This one looks interesting -- we need a review!
http://www.attractwomennow.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi/Cliffslist 3) Welcome to CheekyCherry.co.uk, home of what has been called the bible of 'attracting women, keeping them and sleeping with them'.
http://www.cheekycherry.co.uk/Main_categories/seduction_and_dating/dating_guide.html 4) Courses for women to seduce men!
http://www.ihrt.co.uk/seductionsystems/text%20gals.htm 5) Guys Guide to Girls - A guide to relationships. How to overcome shyness and understand your partner... http://www.philipov.com/guys1.htm 6) Wally's Seduction Tips for Desperate Bachelors http://www.wallyandmurk.com/wally/sedution/Wallymag.html 7) Help with seduction - for women who want to seduce men.
http://www.seducehim.com/
8) The website reads as follows and we need someone's review of this: "Ladies! Never date a stranger unless you've checked him out first!
Fortunately, a basic background check is an easy thing to do, via the telephone and the Internet. In just a matter of minutes, you can find out a great deal on your own about any potential date (or even your fiance' or husband) using the simple, free background check techniques described in our new "how-to" manual.
CHECK HIM OUT FIRST! "Check Him Out! - The American Woman's Guide to Background Investigations" guides you through the entire background check process using clear, nontechnical language. You'll be amazed to learn that there's a lot that can be done just by using the telephone intelligently!
Without even touching a computer, you can usually verify someone's name, address, age, occupation, and even marital status over the telephone if you know which government public records office to call and what information to ask for. "Check Him Out!" is written for you -- the American woman with no knowledge of public records and background checks, but with a need to do some quick basic checking. It's easy to follow, and while it won't make you a seasoned "gumshoe," it will make you quite knowledgeable about the subject and will teach you all you need to know to conduct a thorough basic background check on your own -- plus, it will show you where and how to get competent, reasonably priced help if you later decide you want a more complex, in-depth background check done. All this for $11.95 is hard to beat!" http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/washres 9) For those of you interested in being a bigger man, check out: <http://www.angelfire.com/amiga/yourown/bigdickie.htm>

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