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Update on The David Seminar: David had two private consultations this past weekend, one in person and one on the phone and below you will see comments on the phone consult,and the other one should be in here shortly. The seminar will be held November 16-18 here in Montreal and more information is available by emailing me. Cost is $500 US with a $200 US deposit. Early registrations are greatly encouraged.
David will be elaborating on his system to find, meet, attract, bed, and keep women.
Among the topics David will discuss and present his views on will be: - Confidence
- How to really get back your ex or to attract that one special girl - How to
pick up strippers
- How to create, manage and keep a "stable" of women simultaneously
- How to have threesomes and multiples
- How to overcome resistance when you are about to close the deal - How he uses
language (he has many unique ideas that you won't learn through NLP or anywhere
else)
- The importance of setting your rules and sticking to them - How honesty, trust
and respect are your golden keys (this is the reframe to beat all reframes)
and much more. David will also spend time giving his ideas about how to solve
your individual issues.
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Silent K:
I talked to David for about two hours over the phone. 2 things to note were
that David is as sure of himself and who he is on the phone as his principles
would suggest -- I have no question that this guy sticks to his rules. The second
thing is that he is a lot more compassionate and full of boyish fun/humor than
I would have imagined. One of the first things I told him was I was feeling
a bit nervous talking to him, since I was struggling with this, and it was kind
of embarrassing, and he said "I don't believe that" and then "the
way I see it, you already can do this. You just need to get back to basics."
Right off the bat, the guy had my attention. I won't summarize the rest, because
the past posts have touched on a lot already, but one thing that struck me is
he said "I never like to put a woman down. I'll let her know my rules,
and I never compromise on them, but I want her to feel good with me. I flatter
them -- crudely perhaps, but they enjoy that." Overall, the guy ALWAYS
knows what he wants, and says what is on his mind (in a charming way, but basically
talking out loud). He kept saying over and over "who fucking cares what
she's thinking?
You'll never know anyway, and it doesn't make you smarter! Just let it go!"
The guy's tone was like a self-assured Joe Pesci (from those mobster movies).
"Ya gotta read 'em the riot act, let 'em know how it is." The closest
he came to analyzing his approach was to say that "what do these women
want? I don't know, but if you look at these magazines, and their movies, it's
like the want a guy with a sense of humor, a guy who is confident about himself,
and a guy who is strong." Another bon mot was that "I believe I can
sleep with any woman. But it's just not worth the time to invest in every woman,
so you gotta find out fast if she's down with your rules, or else she's gotta
leave!"
Overall, my impression is that David has a great system, based on his desires
and a solid experience of women. And a great understanding of living life, not
just laying chicks. He also had a great way of encouraging me to listen to "one
person. Not 3, not 1.5, but one person -- yourself." As he put it, listen
to your gut instincts, and simply think out loud, you will not go wrong. In
the few days since the conversation, I have been shaken, but in a good way.
I now realize that most of my efforts with this stuff were motivated by bullshit
reasons (looking cool, building up my self-esteem) and am doing a lot of work
on what it is I really want. David was incredibly honest, and I think that was
great to talk to him. I can say this: talking to David changed my frame of mind
in a good way. I am actually more confused in a way, but I feel free in a way
that I did not before.
I don't know if this will help people, but if you are stuck, I think David has
a great sense of how to connect with himself and what he wants in life, and
to show you where you are fooling yourself. David said that the biggest difficulty
is "going for what you want versus going for what you're brainwashed (by
mother/society/peers) to do". He said that with his kids, he has hopes
and such for them, but his main thing is that "they feel secure enough
in themselves to go for what makes them happy". I am still working on connecting
with what I want, and being secure enough with myself with women (mainly just
reminding myself that her opinion of me is just her opinion of me), and I appreciate
David's help in showing me how I was fooling myself, so I can focus on deciding
what I want. They say that the truth will set you free, and talking to David
was like getting a double-shot of truth, with a chaser of gut-busting humor.
The guy tells it like it is, and has a passion for living -- that's my story
and I'm sticking to it!
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Saaq: Are you aware of www.seduction.net?
Just thought I'd bring it to your attention
Cliff's Comment: That had been mentioned here a long time ago. I see that the site has changed a lot. How about someone doing a review?
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Bucky:
Louis and Copeland have a free 29 page e-book called "Secrets of Seduction"
available for download at
http://howtosucceedwithwomen.com/Secrets_o_seduction/body.shtml. Some good stuff
in there and I definitely think most of your readers will find it beneficial.
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Yum!:
Commenting on the Self-talk thread:
For over a year I tried all the positive self talk advice to get myself in the
right state of mind, overcome my various weaknesses, etc. The problem was, it
didn't work for me.
What I didn't take into consideration is that I'm a polarity responder. I finally
started doing "negative affirmations" i.e. telling myself I'm timid
or suffer "paralysis or analysis" or whatever.
My natural contrariness set in and I became determined to prove my statements
wrong.
I have found this to be much more effective in improving my weaknesses.
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MTL_PUA:
MTL_PUA with A LOT of help from James (Thanks man!) Last weekend I went out
with Cliffy and James. James ran something by me that I wanted to field test,
so I went out and tested it tonight.
12 approaches in all, but as soon as I would get to the BF question, I would
either try to # close if they were single or continue if they were "spoken
for." I approached 5 women that all had BF's. It turned out to be fine
because I was there explicitly to try this pattern out. I would talk with them
a bit and ask if they had a BF. I typically don't do this but I was there specifically
to test this out, and I did not have a lot of time.
We call it the Pre-Emptive Strike BF Destroyer.
<bla bla bla>
<boyfriend topic comes up>
[If she has a picture of him, make her pull it out and hold it in her hand...it
helps when killing him in her head...if she does not, no biggie] <talk a
bit more>
<pattern start; Intro like this: You know, it's funny...> I was talking
with my friend Tracy, a model that I work with, and she was telling me about
how she met and fell in love with the man of her dreams.
She was showing me a picture just like you, actually... [if she is showing you
a picture]
[pause]
She used to tell me all the time: "I am totally crazy about this guy"
<sp> She said that at the time, she was already seeing somebody and [point
to picture of BF, or point away] and she thought he was the one <sp> she
was going to spend the rest of her life with. But then, she met someone new
<sp> and she described it like this: "For some mysterious reason
you just find yourself so attracted to this person <sp>; you don't know
what it is, but somehow you just feel that special for all the right reasons"
<sp> She said that she felt really strange about it at first, but then
she told me "Tom, you know that feeling that you must have something, and
must have it NOW <sp> It's absolutely incredible and amazing!" And
it was really weird - BUT - what she realized as she was staring at the photo
of her BF at the time [or thinking about her BF at the time] <point to picture
in her hand or away> was that you start recalling all of the times when he
did things that really bothered you and really hurt you. And guess what ...
you take that photo [image] of him and THROW IT AWAY [push away the photo or
her hand]. <deepen voice> And in it's place, was the image of this person
that you will be spending the rest of your life with [use your hands to make
a frame around your face] And that is EXACTLY what Tracy did. She left her boyfriend
[point to photo or away] and began immediately seeing this guy that had become
her new soul mate <sp> ...
<end pattern>
So out of 5 approaches of women with boyfriends, I got 5 numbers and two damn
hot kiss closes in one night. After I ran this pattern on them, in all cases,
the boyfriend never came up again. Now, I guess I will only know how effective
it has been once I bed one of them, but before this I had a lot of trouble running
BF destroyers. This one is definitely a pre-emptive strike that will knock her
out.
MTL_PUA on Splinter's ("If listening to David during a brunch can get
a guy like me
a blow job in a public place such as the Old Port in Montreal") My take
on David: The guy is VERY FUCKING GOOD. I will never forget my meet with him.
If you have a chance to go to the seminar in November, do it. He will open your
eyes as no one has done before. Just being around him will boost you tenfold.
After meeting him, you just automatically start doing things for YOURSELF instead
of doing them for the pickup.
MTL_PUA commenting on Powerhouse Supreme's ("Here is the dual personality
pattern I talked to you about. This thing puts the interaction on a whole new
level!!!")
Bud, this is the best contribution I have seen in a long time. I am going to
field test it this weekend and come back to you with some feedback on what can
be done to make it even more powerful.
MTL_PUA has a question for Ross Jeffries Ross, I thought of emailing this to
you but I figure it can answer a lot of questions for people that have not been
into SS for very long.
Ever since I saw you anchor a barmaid's feelings onto a damn stir stick at Buena
Notte, I have been curious about hard core SS. My question is this: Where does
one start to learn SS properly, without having any previous serious exposure
to it??? Books? Your material? Where?
Here is a good little gimmick for flaky bitchez. If I feel that some woman
are disconnecting from me, or not calling me back, I just run a new edition
of MTL_PUA 's Life List (hehehehe). This is a bogus email that I send out to
chicks
under the impression that it is a mailing list to all of my friends. Intro like
this:
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Subject: MTL_PUA 's Life List
NOTE:
If you are receiving this email, odds are you ran into MTL_PUA at one point
or another in your life, and he somehow thought that you became a good friend,
or at least someone worth knowing. This email is an initiative from me to all
of you, as many bitch & complain that I don't give news, write, email, call
or visit often enough. It goes out every so often to keep you updated, and silent
~LOL~ If you would like to be removed from this list please type REMOVE in the
subject line upon replying to this email. I will then curse you, consider releasing
your address to email spammers, and finally remove your address from my list
: ). Alternatively, you could change your identity. Your call, really. If you
have any questions or comments, please feel free to write back. Unless you have
poor grammar, in which case you can just call me ~LOL~
Here are the latest developments over the past few weeks: <write some random
bullshit fluff news on your life and follow up with the next section>
Get in my head section:
"I have been thinking up some weird stuff lately, mainly when it comes
down to two people meeting each other ... <Follow up with IC pattern or whatever>"
---------------
So here is the lowdown: she gets the email and thinks it's a mailing list with
unshown addresses. Reads it, and thinks about what you have to say (without
knowing that it's geared especially towards her), and WILL reply as long as
the email makes sense. It will peak her interest at least.
It has worked like a charm in the past, and it always has them emailing me back
and asking when I will be seeing them again, and other bullshit. Tip the scale
in your favor.
(New story) I met a blonde girl at Thursdays here in Montreal recently who
ended up being a pretty interesting meet. Dumb as hell though ... kind of un-sexy
to me.
I go to pick her up and she is giving me attitude all night and she ended up
hitting on this guy at the pool hall (an AFC we saw her with two days earlier
- apparently he was there by fluke). She was talking to
him all kinds and I was out-Alpha'd, which sucked cuz I was tired as hell.
BUT I have too much pride to let it slide, and I had good rapport with this
other chick that kept eyeing me up and down (a 7), so I spoke to her for about
20 minutes and went for the "You know what I think? I think you should
kiss me NOW" close. Got a nice tongue-down kiss and the blonde got pissed
off at me. I got the # (of the new girl) and got out and went back to see blondie
and by this time she is FUMING, and goes to the washroom. I just look at the
guy (bodybuilder type - he had that fucking "I am the best" grin on
his face, looking slightly pissed off though) and tell him this line from a
movie I saw once: "I am not quite sure what pisses you off more ... the
fact that you know I am this girl's fantasy now ... or the fact that she'll
be thinking of ME even if you get a pity-frustration-fuck .... ". I swear
the guy just deflated and when she came back, she started talking to him again.
I am pretty sure she is trying to make me jealous or something but I really
didn't give a shit because you know I DO NOT tolerate disrespect. Anyways, I
was playing pool by myself and all of a sudden she just turns around and SNAPS
at me, saying shit like "I can't believe you are taking me out and you
are not paying attention to me, bla bla bla, go kiss other girls, bla bla bla".
AFC ejects at this point without saying bye to her (hehe). I just told her that
she was ASSUMING that I was taking her out and maybe she was expecting too much
out of this whole meeting. She mumbles something about men being all the same,
and I tell her that that is not true (here is something new 4 u): "Men
are not all the same. Some men pretend that they fuck women, some men actually
go out, do it and love it. I know you like the second type." Called me
yesterday late at night, and she asked me why I was "so mean" with
her. I told her she was being immature and childish, then ran Steph's COURAGE
VS CONSIDERATION pattern, and that impresses the crap out of her. So I try to
push it and say: "Well, if we are going to be friends you are going to
introduce me to beddable women, OK?", and at this point she mutters "But
.... what's wrong with me???", I just told her that she looked like she
was good in bed, but I did not want the whole mind-fuck that comes with bedding
her. She apologized for being a bitch and promised that she would never do this
again if (these are her words) "YOU WILL ALLOW ME TO SEE YOU AGAIN. I promise
I will make it up to you!", so I am in for the sex part 4 sure at this
point.
She called twice today, but I am busy as hell and she is no fun on the phone.
If I could just fuck her and drop the rest of the bullshit, that would be cool.
I just want to eliminate the convo and screw her, but you know how fucking picky
I am.
Anyways, that's how you turn a "super-bitch" with shields up to full
power (hehehe ... I know you remember that approach ~LOL~) into a supplicating
naughty slut that will do anything for you.
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Ross: (Commenting on: "I'm 5'7" I have a spare tire big enough for a monster truck, I'm 39 average looking. She is 5'9" gorgeous, firm, trim and 31 and gives me all that I need, without patterns or fancy lines."):
Let's make something clear because I don't like mistakes to happen: THIS woman
responds to FORCEFULNESS. Not all women will respond this dramatically or to
this aggressive a level of approach. What made this Bro successful is that he
was alert enough to read that THIS woman would respond to THIS approach. I'm
also willing to bet this is NOT the first time she's ever given a guy she barely
knows a public blow job! In other words, he didn't get new behavior from her.
This is the way she is USED to responding and what it is she responds to: POWER.
In this case, it's almost like meeting someone who is enough of an a-hole gives
HER permission to act as slutty and exciting and horny as she really wants to
act, but normally doesn't get to. She needs a bit of negating before she can
drop the cold-bitch act.
There ARE women who respond to this. Others might be scared away. Remember,
also, she's 31, so she's been around the block.
Try doing that with someone in her early 20's; you might not get the public
blow job (she'd probably want to go somewhere private!). But good job!
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Stephane:
(Commenting on Max: "Can anyone recommend any books or websites on embedded
commands?"):
I can almost guarantee that you won't be able to find an ENTIRE BOOK or website
on embedded commands. They are just TOO SIMPLE. Because all you are doing is
emphasizing some
words and not others. And those words are usually verbs. That's it!
People can, Max, FEEL COMPELLED to find more data on embedded commands, and when they GO FOR IT thoroughly, they have a tendency to GET ADDICTED to that which they do not know...yet...will...LEARN.
See how easy that was? Now, if anyone wrote a book about that, then I'm glad to be giving you all the contents. Anyway, embeds are outlined in great detail in the book TRANCEFORMATIONS by Bandler & Grinder, along with just about every other hypnotic pattern.
(Commenting on Mark B: "Virtually all relationship experts claim that we must not act needy toward a woman. Exactly what does needy mean? And also if we are asking her to meet with us then is that not acting as if we have a need? What then is the purpose of her meeting with us if we do not have a need to be with her? When we ask her out, go for a number, slide our hand down her pants is that not a sign of a need?"):
I, too, have spent alot of time (possibly way too MUCH time!) pondering this.
Here's my two cents....
Needy means if you can't have it, PAIN.
Asking her to meet with us COULD be perceived as need. I think we NEED to be
very careful when we ASK for a 'date' or anything. My style does not include
'asking'. I don't demand, either. I usually SUGGEST.
"I'm going to so and so's party this Saturday...you should cum." "Do
you date immature men?"
"Have you ever wanted a cock so bad that you just..." (Sorry!)
Not just the words but the feeling behind them. I'm sorta saying, with my body language,"You're stupid if you don't!" It works alot better than polite asking. And if I'm feeling really good, I will just fuckin' PRESUPPOSE IT. "OK, so I'll see you on Saturday!" If she gives me a funny look, I have a great 'bail-out anchor' that I use. It's magic and it has saved my ass ALOT over the years. It's called a WINK!
Anyway, the other cent is to just simply replace the word need with the word want, cause it makes a difference. DUH!
Also, as a human being, we need sex, and we need connectivity with other human beings. SO BE IT!! I could use some sex right now, actually...
(Commenting on: "Assume that for every 100 women out there 30% of them have a need and are open to being with a man like you right now."):
30% is pretty fuckin' good, generous even. I have the illusion that all women
love me, they just don't know it yet. But I'm just an arrogant pig. Because
fuck rapport. I never 'try' to get rapport.
I just assume it's there already. Cocky, but effective.
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Horn Dog:
I was LMAO about the comments on the church chyks...not that I specialize in
them, but have noticed in the past that once you get past their superficial
barriers, they tend to really let out all that they've been repressing. Using
the "take away" is good...build as much tension in them as you can,
they already have enough, not much more will burst their dam. The main trick
is to help them give themselves permission.
Confessing your "sins" as a voracious horndog to them and asking them
to help you "feel the power" is a good way to keep the convos sexually
charged and full of any patterns you can manage to spin.
If her church is the spirit-filled kind, you can always speak in terms of the
Spirit "feeling its power penetrate deeply," or being "overcome
(cum) by the power," and so on. You get the idea.
As to the problem of negation in your
affirmations...first identify what you WANT, and eliminate words about what
you DON'T want.
Erickson talked about the problems of suggestion in quitting smoking. He suggested
that you speak entirely in terms of what you would have or do without smoking...such
as breathing fresh air, spending money on your date instead, and the like.
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Brother Marcus:
[Responding to Mark B.: "For anyone serious in learning how to succeed
with women in the group should rent the movie The Tao of Steve. It's about a
group of men who
pattern themselves after Steve McQueen and use eastern religious teachings to
score with women.]
The movie was written by a Duncan North, who attended my alma mater. He graduated
a year before I started. The alumni newspaper had an interview with him about
a year ago, in which he brought up some interesting facts.
Most significantly, the director and producer, both women, rewrote the film
to have a traditional romantic comedy/chick film ending; The way he wrote it,
Dex (main character) goes off to seminary just like he discusses with that priest
in the men's room at the beginning of the film. Kind of appropriate, really,
as Dex rants towards the middle of the film about how Romantic Love is the state
religion of the USA.
Mr. North, by the way, writes a dating/sex advice column for The Santa Fe Reporter
(a local culture and entertainment weekly) called The Tao of Love.
Dex is, quite evidently, based on Duncan.
I'll agree that Dex has some kick-ass large-chunk technique, BUT I notice that
he is missing a piece of the puzzle as far as I can tell; he doesn't have a
frame for having more than one woman in his life that lets them all be at peace
with it and even like it. There's a scene where he is at a party and three women
he is either currently shagging or wants to shag all show up. He is visibly
horrified by the situation, as if their knowing about each other would bring
disaster. Also, at numerous points in the movie, he tells little white lies
with the design of getting women into bed. Maybe it works for him and for them,
but yuck. I just don't lie. It's so much easier. Only one story to keep track
of. He is really pushing the limits of being illusive without being downright
squirrelly or dishonest or unavailable even to himself. Of course, one would
need that conflict in order to make him an interesting character, at least in
a film arguably made for women. I would merely patch this aspect of his approach
if you wanted to integrate his teachings.
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Stephanie:
I would say that from my personal experience men are much more hung up on what
a woman looks like and women are more hung up on what they themselves look like.
I know plenty of women who date or are married to less than attractive men.
You see it all the time, especially in these movies where the old guy gets the
young hot thing. Get real! Women are more willing to look beyond looks (not
always, but more so) and get to know the man. How about asking your readers
if they would date a less than appealing woman with a terrific personality rather
than a gorgeous model that bored them to tears? Women are so busy judging what
other women are wearing and doing with their hair. You think men stare at women?
Men will walk into a room where a party is going on and check out the women
in there. I think women (on the average, of course) will walk into the same
room and also check out the women, prior to checking out the men. Sizing up
the competition, so to speak. I have this girlfriend who is tall, big boned
and can stand to lose about fifty pounds or so. She is average looking, but
being overweight does not help her out. The worst part about her though is that
she is so pissy half of the time. I have known her for ten years and I tolerate
her well enough, but at moments even I have had enough. The point here is that
she does not have a real problem with women, but she has a problem with good
looking women. If we go out together she announces to anyone that will listen
that I am in a commited relationship and that I am going to marry my boyfriend,
because she feels every guy meets me and wants me. Maybe compared to her that
is true, but not because I am prettier but rather because she is plain miserable
to be around all the time. I guess we are our own worse enemy.
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NightLight9:
(Commenting on: "STEPHANE - You could say,"Would you like to feel
connected with someone?" Run if she says no congruently."):
NightLight9 responds: I don't think this is really necessary, just affirm her response and continue the pattern from the point of describing. The "would you like to feel this connected ..." Puts a lot of pressure on her to respond in way that puts her out on a limb. One of the things about these patterns is "You go first" and an important part of you going first is it clears the way so she can easily and effortless go down the path without risk. This forces her to commit more and you don't go first. The other reason I don't like this is that if you are wrong as to why she is saying (calibrating this is hard) then this is the wrong path. Just keep going and calibrate her response knowing that you may have 1 strike against this pattern.
(Commenting on: "STEPHANE - I don't worry about it, because my style of
using patterns is very blatant. There isn't a single doubt in her mind that
I'm really talking about US
when I run a 'Discovery Channel'!"):
NightLight9 responds: When I run my version of the Discovery Channel pattern
I start it with "...most interesting show on the Discovery Channel.
It was
about building the perfect attraction." <pause> Wait for response.
The wheels almost always turn as she tries to figure out what kind of attraction.
This always gives me a chuckle.
(Commenting on: "STEPHANE - Now this is the part where I need to apologize to anyone on this list that is religious. I'm sorry."):
NightLight9 responds: Talk about an ambiguity or what? :-)
(Commenting on: "MARKB - Rent the movie (Tao of Steve) and let me know what you think."):
NightLight9 responds: My favorite PU movie and one that really captures a big
part of my skill set. This is an incredibly powerful mechanism for PU in non-bar
scenarios.
On another note, I too have been very sick in the last two weeks and I just
can't PU in that mode, but my mind has remained quite active. Last night I felt
better and I was on fire for about an hour, then I got sick again :-( Regardless,
I discovered what my attitude for being the alphamale is.
I actually say and believe "I own the place." Meaning I can do what
ever I want here and everyone will like me because this is my place. Don't know
why it works, just that it does.
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Justin:
I've got a question on a special situation; what extra measures do guys on this
list take when the girl you're working on (church pussy again, in this case)
has only had sex with one man, particularly if it's her last BF. For me it's
a cold shutdown: I assume she's probably still in love with him. How do you
guys (especially your friend, Stephane) handle this?
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PRODUCTS AND LINKS (There's some NEW STUFF in here, and I will try and put something new in here as often as possible):
For those of you who are just reading about this for the first time, I decided a couple of emails ago to add links to these emails. The idea would be to get enough money in to hire someone to take over the administrative work (and also to buy things which would improve this list, such as proper mailing list software) for this list. If you were going to buy the product anyway, just use the link that appears below and you are helping to keep this list going at no extra cost to anyone.
NON SEDUCTION-RELATED SITES
One of the more useful links I have set up is to amazon.com -- I know I buy
a lot from them and I am sure that many of you also do. So I arranged a link
with them and you can now buy from them and help out this email newsletter at
the same time. If anyone has any other suggestions of sites that would be a
good one for me to set up a link to, please let me know.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/nositeihaveap-20 For those in
the U.K., this should work: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=cliffslist-21&site=amazon
Here's a way for you to accept credit cards on your site today: http://zzz.clickbank.net/r/?cliffslist
RECOMMENDED LIST
DOUBLE YOUR DATING One of the best places for you to start your journey on becoming
more successful with women would be to get David DeAngelo's Double Your Dating
e-book. David (who posts here under the name "Sisonpyh" -- which is
"hypnosis" spelled backwards) is a good friend that I have known for
several years now that I originally met through one of Ross's Speed Seduction
seminars. His posts here have been among the most outstanding contributions
I have had over the years and his book (and the free bonuses) is highly recommended.
http://www.doubleyourdating.com/cl/ HOW TO SUCCEED WITH WOMEN Ron Louis and
David Copeland have been reading these emails for awhile and recently sent me
their Mastery Program Tape series which I have finished listening to. It has
some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you
can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those
who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent
basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For
those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set
of tapes.
http://www.howtosucceedwithwomen.com/cgi-bin/at.cgi?a=169700 SEVEN MAGIC WORDS
Comments on this product from Tony B.:
I thought I might drop you a quick line regarding some of the more popular sites
that have been seen within this "seduction community." After seeing
several terrible reviews and "flames" from alt.seduction.fast, I decided
to make a decision for myself based upon my own ideas of what could be offered
on the Seven Magic Words product and after several months of reading great novels
about how to attract women and multiple posts about how women are most attracted
to men, I STILL found the site to be beneficial. After joining the site, I was
happy to learn all the new techniques that I have never seen on any list and
that alone made it worth the money. I am not typically the type of person that
spends money on a site especially a seduction site, I would rather pay for some
audio or video, but the information that was offered was different and unequal
to anything I have seen in the past. At any rate, I know you wanted a review..
and I have actually come to know the owner, and he puts more attention in his
members area than I would expect to see from any other site.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/smackudown DATING INSIDER Not only does
this next site give you an unconditional 1 year no risk money back guarantee,
but it stands alone and it's program is unmatched. Right now they're doing a
Free Trial period, and I'd take advantage of this while you can. The site reads
"Learn the proven secrets for meeting, attracting, and seducing women.
From A - Z, you'll discover the most advanced techniques for picking up women
ever developed." Check out their Free Trial (before it ends) and you'll
see why their members like this program so much. Click on
http://www.dating-insider.com/international/welcome.html.
How to Lay Girls Guide The ultimate SEDUCTION SECRETS database: http://www.layguide.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=Cliffslist
THE UNKNOWN! (Not reviewed)
HYPNO-TECH Here's another one which I think has been reviewed here in the past
but I haven't gone through the old emails to check. "Do You Want To Know
A Simple, Two Minute Hypnotic Technique That Lets YOU Secretly Put Any Woman
Into An Instant Trance And Persuades Her To Ask YOU Out?
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/hypnotech ADVANCED MACKING Advanced Macking
has one of the most enticing websites. An updated review would also be welcome.
http://links.verotel.com/cgi-bin/showsite.verotel?vercode=66629804000000274976
This one also looked pretty interesting. The link for more information on breakups
and loving-styles is http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/Tigress Success Secrets
Our free newsletter reveals it all Money and Personal Finance secrets; Business
& Marketing secrets; Health, Fitness, and Weight-Loss advice; Self Defense
secrets; Memory Improvement tips; Smart Advice on Flirting, Dating, Sex, and
Relationships; Personal Development tips; Communication and Negotiation tips;
Tax Secrets & Loopholes!
Investment and Stock Market tips; and Much More http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/prodeskcom
The Ultimate Guide to Powerful Relationships is only $8.95 and looks very interesting.
Comments, please. http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades Here's a new
one I found which needs to be reviewed: "Guys! Get More Pussy with our
Adult Personals Inside Secrets Guide! Plus! Free Survey Results of Women Using
Personals for Sex The Guide contains the following Inside Secrets Replying to
ads - how to get noticed and get a date for hot sex.
Placing ads - how to beat the competition and get lots of replies How to handle
follow up communication to keep her interested. Examples of replies that worked
on us. You can just copy and paste these into your ads or replies. Saves you
time and increases your chances! A directory of the best websites for meeting
hot women! Sick of chicks who are only into cybersex and nothing else! The Guide
contains a list of the best adult personals sites."
http://secure.ibill.com/cgi-win/ccard/rscookie.exe?RevShareID=9804000000274976&
returnto=http://www.mysexinfo.com
Secrets of Power Persuasion! A course by Jian Wang to teach you how to write
hypnotic language to make others obey your command.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/mrchange Arte's New Sex Video is kind of
interesting. He shows a lot about playing with a woman's g spot (which he demonstrates
on his comely girlfriend - but I could have done without seeing your dick, Arte).
I will do a more extensive review after I have watched it again more carefully:
http://amos.simonweb.com/loveebook/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=lrec HERE'S A
NEW ONE
Suspect your spouse of cheating on you? Check this out http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/spouse1
FREE PLUGS
The following are all recommended but clicking on the links and buying from
them doesn't send any money back here (it is also recommended that the sponsors
of these sites consider setting this up -- from the little experience I have
had since I started the commercial section a couple of weeks ago, I think you
are missing a lot of business by not doing this) http://www.speed-seduction.com/
- The # 1 source; read the free newsletters & get the basic course.
http://www.trucor.com/ - Major Mark's site, the place to learn hypnosis and
about married women
http://www.essential-skills.com/ - learn anchoring, tonality, rapport, goal
getting, etc.
http://www.davidshade.com/ Give women incredible pleasure get David Shade's
Manual
http://www.fastseduction.com/ - great resource, a must visit http://www.sosuave.com/
- lots of free materials, many good ideas and articles http://www.mindcontrolmanual.com/
- seduce men and women through the power of the mind
http://www.oscarbruce.com/ - All his books deal with persuasion, manipulation
and a mild form of seduction. Books like School for Scoundrels focus on getting
your way with people and getting them to see things your way.
Get on Mystery's Lounge - send him an email at [email protected] with
REQUEST MEMBERSHIP in the subject line. Include your REAL name, your experience,
background in the PUA, some online PUA's who can vouch for you (references),
and a real pic of yourself. If you do not wish to give this REAL information,
don't join. Only the PRO's are in there anyways - we discuss lots of stuff but
it's the REAL pix of our conquests and the fact that we don't HIDE who we are
to each other that makes it appealing. MANY of the members Mystery has personally
sarged with. The rule is simple don't fuck up anyone's game. If you can abide
by that and have a track record for contributing, then that's basically good
as gold. Pix are a requirement, however. The Lounge is in many ways an EXTENSION
of Cliff's List and is not an alternative. You don't have to be a PRO, but you
MUST play the game. If you are only WANTING to ONE DAY chase skirts, please
don't bother joining.
Mystery is now offering his in-field Mystery Method (MM) BASIC TRAINING workshop
in several cities. Click http://mysterymethod.1avenue.com/ for more information,
workshop locations, dates & to sign up.
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New Links to be explored (WE NEED THESE REVIEWED!): 1) The website reads as
follows and we need someone's review of this: "Impress everybody! Make
your life happen on purpose! Matthew Whiting an English and Psychology graduate
from Canterbury University and later a graduate of The National Academy of Performing
Arts, has created this revolutionary step-by-step training system which will
give you the means to becoming irresistibly attractive. Hence enabling you to
gain the relationship and life that you want. Whether it is on stage or in real
life we all know the "x" factor when we see it! But can we produce
our own individual "x factor"? In this book Matthew Whiting's radical
new approach to "being irresistibly attractive" will show you how
to: Master these personal strategies to become more Charismatic: · Learn
how to be master of your own intention · Taking action
· Being a successful leader
· Learning confidence
· ...and a lot more...
Master these personal strategies for more Passion: · How to be funny
· Leaving a lasting impression
· How to utilize the power of speech
· Extraordinary kissing
· Flirting - a delightful, innocent, and respectful way to play with
each other!
· ...and a lot more...(18 Chapters in total!) This book is jam-packed
with tonnes of information, (185 A4-size pages). It is written in a tongue-in-cheek
manner which is easy to follow, and you are sure to enjoy. Once you experience
the marvelous changes that Matthew Whiting enables you to make, you can shape
your relationships and other life circumstances exactly as you'd like them to
be." http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades 2) How to create sexual
chemistry! This one looks interesting -- we need a review!
http://www.attractwomennow.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi/Cliffslist 3)
Welcome to CheekyCherry.co.uk, home of what has been called the bible of 'attracting
women, keeping them and sleeping with them'.
http://www.cheekycherry.co.uk/Main_categories/seduction_and_dating/dating_guide.html
4) Courses for women to seduce men!
http://www.ihrt.co.uk/seductionsystems/text%20gals.htm 5) Guys Guide to Girls
- A guide to relationships. How to overcome shyness and understand your partner...
http://www.philipov.com/guys1.htm 6) Wally's Seduction Tips for Desperate Bachelors
http://www.wallyandmurk.com/wally/sedution/Wallymag.html 7) Help with seduction
- for women who want to seduce men.
http://www.seducehim.com/
8) The website reads as follows and we need someone's review of this: "Ladies!
Never date a stranger unless you've checked him out first!
Fortunately, a basic background check is an easy thing to do, via the telephone
and the Internet. In just a matter of minutes, you can find out a great deal
on your own about any potential date (or even your fiance' or husband) using
the simple, free background check techniques described in our new "how-to"
manual.
CHECK HIM OUT FIRST! "Check Him Out! - The American Woman's Guide to Background
Investigations" guides you through the entire background check process
using clear, nontechnical language. You'll be amazed to learn that there's a
lot that can be done just by using the telephone intelligently!
Without even touching a computer, you can usually verify someone's name, address,
age, occupation, and even marital status over the telephone if you know which
government public records office to call and what information to ask for. "Check
Him Out!" is written for you -- the American woman with no knowledge of
public records and background checks, but with a need to do some quick basic
checking. It's easy to follow, and while it won't make you a seasoned "gumshoe,"
it will make you quite knowledgeable about the subject and will teach you all
you need to know to conduct a thorough basic background check on your own --
plus, it will show you where and how to get competent, reasonably priced help
if you later decide you want a more complex, in-depth background check done.
All this for $11.95 is hard to beat!" http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/washres
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