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Ross:
My lunch with David...
This past weekend, I was visiting Bro Cliff and Tristan in beautiful Montreal!
Cliff..thanks for being such a genial and awesome host! If you ever go to Montreal
you simply HAVE to go to Schwartz's and get a smoked meat sandwich!
Anyway, I finally had a chance to have lunch with Cliff and his legendary friend,
David. Here are my impressions: First of all, David is very bright; he's got
a quick mind, processes fast, and is far from being the macho "get in the
kitchen, bitch" that some might think him to be, based on some of the descriptions
of him on this list.
He's in his 50's, is my guess. A stocky, balding guy, with a very strong presence.
He's also a great story teller and VERY funny.
David seems to have a natural talent for setting frames; he always makes sure
that HE is the one setting the frame that HE is the opportunity and that HER
attempts to control the frame are NOT going to work.
What he said to me is that he DOES enjoy being kind and giving to women, but
he lets them understand that HE comes first. He's very honest with women, doesn't
lie, but on the other side of the cover doesn't reveal everything either and
enjoys keeping them stimulated by keeping them guessing.
I asked him at one point about where you draw the balance between staying strong
and in control, and the natural and healthy tendency to WANT to be kind to someone
you care for. That's when he told me his idea about always making sure you put
yourself first, but also his view is that women require "Benevolent dictators".
That is, the sense of strength you radiate frees them to feel comfortable enough
to let go and be as wild, sexual, subservient or whatever they fantasize about
being.
I think part of his approach is to always make sure the woman understands that
she is NOT doing him any "favor" by fucking him, being around him,
etc. etc. etc
One of his phrases that he used over and over is, "I am relentless. You've
got to be relentless" and then he would slap his fist into his palm.
I think what he really means is that you need to be disciplined and prepared
for the frame-stealing and other ploys women will naturally attempt in their
search for strength in a male. I'm sure if I probed a bit deeper David would
admit alot of his success has been from hard work and the willingness to keep
doing what works.
I'm also sure there are some women he'd put off and offend, and I'm equally
sure he wouldn't give a fuck.
David also has a knack for ambiguous language. He does this naturally...as an
example, when he would date younger women, and they'd ask his age, he's say
something like, "Hey..I'm NOT your Daddy, ok? I'm the person you're really
going to like LATER on."
Now...does "later" mean in the next hour or 20 years from now? That
ambiguity gets her thinking and wondering...
I explained that to him and he said, "Exactly!" So, David DOES use
languaging, especially being vague, but I don't think he's ever sat down and
consciously sussed it all out. Most "naturals" don't.
He also believes, with most women, you need to equally at times keep things
simple and don't rely on them being able to figure things out TOO abstractly.
Example: he and I were exchanging ideas on dealing with women who had been burned
before. I told him that often what I will do is use a very powerful reframe:
Hey...if you want to build walls to keep pain away, that WILL work. You will
keep people out and you WILL keep pain away.
But what you haven't realized is that you are also WALLING YOUR LIMITATIONS
IN. And you're letting the people who hurt you most be the architects of your
life, because THEY are the ones who helped build and design those walls. Now
is THAT where you really want to go?
I've found this a powerful and effective reframe.
David's idea is that this is too abstract for alot of women. As he said to me,
"Hey...I said women are smart but I didn't say they are as smart as you!
Keep it simple!"
His idea is to say something like, "Hey...I've been through bad relationships
and pain too. But I'm willing to give you a blank slate. And I think you should
at least be willing to extend the same to me and give me a blank slate too and
let's see what happens." I think I will actually add this ON to my own
reframe! Gives her a good direction in which to view things!
Other observations: I think guys are misunderstanding what David means when
he says, "Stop caring about what she's thinking." What he means is
make sure YOU are aware of what YOU want and keep THAT the focus of every communication
and interaction. Don't put HER concerns above your own.
He did NOT mean "Don't listen to what she is saying." He will listen
to what she says as a way of gathering useful information that he can then use
to forward what it is HE wants. He simply doesn't let her set the frame of what
their interaction is going to be about.
Get it? So he's not saying close your ears. He's saying KEEP YOUR INTENT Anyway,
I enjoyed meeting the guy, learned some good things and damn, the Dim Sum is
excellent in Montreal...I am seriously thinking of doing an SS seminar there
next year.
Cliff's Comment: It was a real pleasure having you here and it would be great to see an SS Seminar in Montreal in 2002! And those reading this will have a unique opportunity to learn David's original system and ideas at the seminar that is being held in Montreal, November 16-18, 2001. Cost is $500 U.S. with a $200 U.S. deposit to hold your place (seating is limited and a sell out is expected). For additional information, email me.
(Commenting on: "Cramias: Here's a review of the KenXtions tapes (http://www.kenxtions.com/). I received the tapes about a month ago, and I am very impressed with them. The system focuses entirely upon walkups and phone calls. For a beginner, these tapes would be tremendously useful. And there is plenty of innovative stuff that may benefit those more experienced as well. For instance, the openers in this system are entirely situational -- he gives 40 or so openers for different situations you find yourself in commonly. This really appeals to me, as using situational-type openers makes it feel less canned, to me, than the typical SS opener."):
I don't know what version of SS you've been studying, but the openers I teach
are all designed to illustrate PRINCIPLES of walkups so you can create your
own, based on those principles.
I can divide this into overlapping categories: *Making an observation/commenting
on ongoing situation *Being outrageous/using a put-on (fake gay approach as
an example) *A statement of intent made in a clever way with a challenge thrown
in, and done VERY matter of factly
*Sincere compliment mixed with a challenge, "I'm wondering if you're confident
enough to accept a sincere compliment: (then give it) but it sounds like this
KenX has delivered a quality product, so I'll be looking into getting his tapes
myself. Does he do anything with regard to building your state so you can effectively
do all this stuff?
(Commenting on: "He gives a great framework for walkups which I think
was already mentioned on your list. The nice thing about his framework is he
shows you how to transition smoothly from the opener to the convo and from that
to the close, which bridges nicely across the two most awkward moments in a
walkup. The most impressive thing about the system though, is the tape on closing.
This former telemarketer knows his shit when it comes to closing. He tells you
how to distinguish between autopilot objections, conditional objections and
buyer's resistance, and how to "dig" into an autopilot response and
find out her real objection so you can reframe that.
And some of his canned rebuttals are GREAT. One example that I've gotten a lot
of mileage out of lately: (In response to "why don't you give me your #)
"Tell you what, I'll make you a deal. I'll give you my number... and you
give me yours... and if I don't hear from you in a week then I'll give you a
call. Is that fair?"):
I like that he is dealing with the auto-pilot stuff.
(Commenting on: "NightLight9: HBB: "No , I need to know because if
it's just sex then I am going out there and if I meet someone else I will go
out with him and the fucking stops then."
Me: "If that is the case then I will now stop the car and you are getting
out right now on the street and you can go to see the movie on your own and
I am done with you."):
Good; this is a good pattern interrupt. She was expecting to continue on a tirade and now that you have stopped her she doesn't know where to go. She could drop it or she could discuss it CALMLY with respect for you...but no more tantruming.
(Commenting on: "HBB: - dumbfounded look on her face "You would not
do that would you?" Me: "You will continue fucking me as long as I
want to and accept the situation for how it is. You have it really good with
me. No else can fuck you like I can so relax and calm down." By this time
she has a stunned look on her face and cannot believe what I am saying to her.
She tries to act tough but each time I stand up to her and mismatch whatever
she says. Eventually she calms down, we park and start walking to the theatre.
Then in the middle of the street I am telling her how women need to feel dominated
by men and how they love that treatment. She starts to get all upset and starts
yelling at me in the middle of a busy street with people all around us. I yell
back but I am calm inside being fully aware that what I am doing. She says I
am making a scene and then I look around me at all the people there and yell
out loud.
Me: "Excuse me everyone look here. I am having a scene here with this woman."
About 10 people start to look and I am killing myself inside of laughter. She
gets all embarrassed and finally calms down for good for the night. We get to
the theatre and she buys the tickets and a latte and see the movie. After we
went back to my place but it was that time of the month so all we did was just
get each other off with our hands. But once again standing up to their bull
works like a charm. She became another soft puppy."):
Keep us posted with follow ups with this woman. Remember, she will STILL go
back and talk to her girlfriend who will re-vivify her fears. Bottom line emotion
she has is FEAR. You can squash how she expresses it by interrupting her pattern,
but that won't resolve her underlying emotion.
That will take something else or you will be moving on.
(Commenting on: "(Separate post by Mark): Not stating your view makes you look weak. Forcing your view on others by repeatedly trying to get them to agree and by not backing off is too onerous and pushes people away. Stating your opinion contrary to what people think while respecting theirs by not trying to change their view garners you the most respect. I see this gets the best results because you come across as manly enough to assert yourself, not some geek, and confident enough, not some desperate guy, in your view that you do not have to impose your view on anyone. Winner all around."):
Very true.
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Adam:
(Commenting on: "David Johnson's, "Overall a great weekend, lots of
learning - but still problems closing. I know alot of the problem is fear of
rejection - but
that is something I REALLY need to get past. I need to find the window and go
for it."):
I used to have this problem, too. And to be honest, sometimes it reoccurs.
Especially if I've been sick or locked in the office for several days and haven't
been "Out on the town." Here's how I over-come it: Half-way through
your conversation, remember how PISSED OFF at yourself you're GOING TO BE if
you let another opportunity slip away. And the PAIN YOU WILL FEEL at letting
yourself down. And tell yourself-- at that moment-- "Oh, no!
I'm not going to let ANOTHER opportunity slip by!" And even is she does
refuse your offer (your close)... you'll FEEL A SENSE OF RELIEF because at least
you GAVE IT A SHOT and have the satisfaction of knowing that YOU'RE POUNCING
ON every opportunity.
In sum: ABC. (Always Be Closing).
By the way... I just received Kenny Gordon's "KenXtions" package (http://www.kenxtions.com/). Watched the video and just listened to the first disk. -- This product is AWESOME! Definitely one of the best for discovering the science of the Walk Up. Especially for the price.
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Mark B.:
(Commenting on: "If this is how you treat women, you're only going to attract
low
self-esteemers. How about enjoying each other's company? Making women feel good,
feels good"):
Easy big boy. You did not understand what I said. I was experimenting here, buddy. I am not like this all the time. I decided to be hardcore for that night only to see how it works. Obviously it was asshole but I had to see it's effects. She loves my company and she is not out there looking for another boyfriend and I seriously doubt you could get her. We have extreme sexual chemistry that keeps her around. She sometimes calls me in the middle of the night begging for some good fucking.
(Commenting on: "But there's another word for chronic Mismatcher in NLP: ASSHOLE. If you think that you need to be an asshole to get laid, you are dead wrong. Maturity = the ability to state your opinions BALANCED with the respect for other people's opinions. By that definition, YOU only have the ability to state your own beliefs, and seem to have need to show respect for the feelings/opinions of others. Bad Karma for you otherwise."):
Maybe NLPers should get out into the real world rather than theorizing all
day. You have no idea how much women want you to state your own opinion in spite
of theirs. There is nothing asshole about it. You are just being what women
need. The fine line is broken when you begin to put down the other person's
view or begin to convince that theirs is wrong rather than simply expressing
your own. This is asshole and something I do not do.
It's insulting and turns people off. Expressing your own opinions, even though
it's different from hers but leaves their view in tact maintains respect for
both parties. Also Karma is not some secret heavenly account of your actions
that come back to haunt you. Karma is about the same things happening to you
because you have not learned your lessons. Read "Right Use of Will"
and you'll know what I mean.
To cite an example I have been talking on the phone for 5 months to one of my
ex girlfriend's best friends, a HB perfect 10. I tried every fucking sex, connection,
love, bonding, attraction, roller coaster and bullshit pattern there is and
nothing I could say or do would get her to go out with me. She said she felt
guilty about seeing me because I dated her friend. I even tried "Have you
ever found yourself in a position where your guilt began to shrink and it was
replaced by feeling of comfort blah, blah, blah..........." Did not work.
Nothing I would say worked until I did the following. She was telling me about
her ex boyfriend and his problems. I really did not want to hear about him so
I began expressing my opinion in spite of her. I said to her "It would
be a great idea if we did not speak about your ex anymore because it does not
interest me" rather than "Stop talking about your ex because it does
not interest me". The first is an opinion, the second is a command. She
respected the opinion and stopped. She also talked about her life problems and
how people hurt her in the past. I simply said "It's important for you
to stop talking about people that hurt you and begin to focus on the positive
aspects of life." She thanked me for correcting her. Before I would tell
her "Let's go out and see a movie. Can you be ready for 9:00?" she
would make an excuse as to why she could not i.e. guilt, my past with her friend
etc.. Then I said "It would be a great idea if we finally saw each other
in person and talked some more." To this she said "Great idea, Mark."
Later out of
the blue she said "Mark, I want to see you tomorrow (Friday) we could go
for a walk on the beach (Toronto lakeshore) and then we could do all the things
you talked about (sex)." I did not even have to ask her, she came out on
her own and asked me. I realized that every objection a woman makes to a good
natured, positive, mutually beneficial request is not what they really oppose
but they simply want to know "Are you man enough?" If you are then
guilt, husbands, borefriends, insecurity, uncertainty, hesitation and everything
else disappears better than all SS patterns combined could ever hope to do.
She is now doing all the asking out and initiating dates and sex. All I do is
express my view, when I disagree with her I tell her and I give her direction
with my opinions. She loves it and as much resistance as she had before it's
now all melted away. No patterns, no matter how carefully crafted could have
changed her mind. She said she likes how I am able to stand up to her and all
other guys either insult her and push her around or act meek and shy - both
turnoffs for her and in general. Finding the right balance of strength yet respect
is the key.
As far as SS is concerned, I would first work on confidence and ability to have
and express your own views and go for what you want. This alone gets you laid
like crazy. If you choose to use patterns, being confident sets the ground work
for the effectiveness of SS. Without it, patterns, no matter how carefully crafted
will only have a minimal impact and could even take you backwards at that. But
confidence, combined with ability to assert yourself gives SS patterns that
rocket fuel to take you to the highest strata of success with women. Being confident
about your views and able to express them is like being a Corvette with 400
plus horsepower. Adding SS is like giving you another 50 horses that will get
there faster. But if you are a 90 hp Pinto adding another 50 hp boost will blow
the engine and you'll go nowhere.
Now when I go out all I do is work with this "express my opinion mindset"
and women love it. I do not have to ask for numbers or dates as often. They
just seem to happen automatically. "You seem like a great guy. Here is
my number. Call me." No need to say anything more.
(Commenting on: "Dwacon Huh??? That time of the month is not a showstopper
for me. It just adds a little extra flavour... and more lube for the pumping.
I like to use it to paint
myself like a wild Aborigine or something. But that's just my opinion... I could
be wrong."):
Neither for me but it's very messy and I get burn marks on the sides as I am fairly well endowed and because blood negates the effect of her natural lubrication. But I'll try war paint next time. Great idea, buddy. Could be funny as hell.
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Stephane:
(Commenting on: "Franky the Tux how do I break down any resistance to her
exploring her feelings for me while her borefriend is away?"):
I posted something of a 'boyfriend destroyer' that I used to attract my current GF, so here it is again. Hope this helps.
I just want to add that the main theme here is "If you limit yourself to only one person that doesn't satisfy you in every way, you're an idiot". I've had alot of sucksess with this frame.
"I know that there are things that you like about your BF and things you
could definitely do without. And I don't know about YOU, but when it comes to
being in a RELATIONSHIP, I want all of MY desires to be fulfilled. I don't want
to grow OLD with someone only to RESENT THEM because they couldn't give me everything
that I needed. AND NEITHER DO YOU. If your BF isn't EVERYTHING you've ALWAYS
WANTED in a man, then you OWE it to yourself, and you OWE it to HIM to leave.
And in fact, now that we've briefly had a chance to connect with each other,
I have a feeling that you're going to remember me. And every time your boyfriend
makes you feel bad, every time you feel dissatisfied, every time that you feel
annoyed by him, every time that you feel like there's something in life that
you're missing out on, I want you to see an image of ME in your mind. That's
right. You're going to see a big, bright image of me pointing and laughing at
you.
Because I laugh at anyone who doesn't realize that you owe it to yourself to
be in a relationship that truly fulfills you."
(Commenting on: "Brighton I walked around a few times and suddenly found someone worth pursuing. Sitting on the ground, reading a book on 'Soul Mates'"):
It doesn't get any easier than that!!! If I ever see a girl reading a book called SoulMates......
(Commenting on: "I was staring right into her eyes, unbelievably focused,
talking - I was embarrassed at how intently she was looking back! And guess
what? I
didn't know what to do. I froze and looked away, and changed the subject."):
Sucksess can be a scary thing, and I wouldn't worry about it. Next time you
get good DDB like that, CLOSE HER RIGHT AWAY. Then leave.
DO NOT stick around for too long. If you get a good state, you should CLOSE
HER!
(Commenting on: "At this point I had been sitting on a bench, face to
face, while she
sat on the floor. I purposely moved to sit beside her, telling her my back was
sore and needed to lean against the books. She smiled, but sort of moved away."):
You should have closed her waaaay before this, but let me add something here.
WHY did you feel the need to EXPLAIN yourself? Just sit down!
NEVER apologize for who you are and how you feel UNLESS you hurt someone that
didn't DESERVE it.
(Commenting on: "Well, she left and I was sitting in the silence of my own stupidity. I picked myself up and walked out the store. She called again to me saying 'See you David.' I left feeling somewhat dejected, thinking that even in the end I should have gone up and said 'Listen, if you are not with someone that makes you feel totally fulfilled, maybe we owe it to ourselves to get together later.' But I didn't."):
The day that I decided to STOP being so hard on myself is the day that I stopped acting like a wimp around women. Weird, eh? Lord knows I've blown quite a few opportunities in the past. I have said and done the DUMBEST things. But I learned something about being hard on yourself: DON'T DO IT. Be as nice to YOU as you are to HB's.
In this culture, we have learned something called punishment. It's where you take a 'bad' behavior and try to associate 'bad' feelings to the behavior.
We have learned, mostly unconsciously, to punish ourselves.
We do something dumb, then we try to attach bad feelings to it. This is the
big Motivation Strategy, and it DOESN'T WORK.
The ways we punish ourselves (I should write a fuckin' BOOK about this) vary from cutting yourself, drinking, drugs, etc., BUT the most common motivation strategy is NEGATIVE SELF-TALK. We actually YELL AND SCREAM at ourselves!
How many of you have seen American Beauty? This is my all-time favorite movie and has special meaning for me, personally. Anyway, there's a scene it in where Annette Benning fails to sell a house and begins crying hysterically, SLAPPING herself, and screaming at herself.
Now, most people don't go THAT far, but they do the same TYPE of SHIT inside their own head. And yet we don't even realize just how fucking HARD we really are on ourselves.
Well, one day I thought long and hard about all this, and decided that I would change the way I communicated to myself. It was not an overnight thing, but the results came quickly.
Probably the best thing I have EVER learned came from Richard Bandler.
He encourages his seminar participants to replace your internal dialogue with
the sexiest voice you can find. You can still say the same things to yourself,
but do it in Marilyn Monroe's voice. Stop and do this NOW.
Say to yourself is the sexiest voice, "You stoopid piece of shit!"
Another thing I did (and still do) was to take the sense of urgency out of
my internal dialogue. I never felt so FREE as when I learned that 'punishing'
yourself, being hard on yourself is STUPID.
Paradoxically, the minute I stopped being so hard on myself is the same time
I became comfortable being around women. Now, this is starting to sound like
another sappy self-help book, so let's get back on topic, shall we?
(Commenting on: "I told her that I thought I had met my soul mate, but
let her get away.
Even as I was saying it, I realized I set myself up for a fall. I ruined any
chance before I even began because I was talking about a connection that had
NOTHING TO DO WITH HER! I should have 'quoted' it using a friend that had experienced
it instead of me."):
I don't think that's so bad. Women are VERY competitive. While you were in your head thinking about how you screwed up, SHE was probably thinking, "Soul Mate, huh? I bet I could get this guy to fuck me...."
(Commenting on: "he was a major bigot, a coke-head, & had an unchanging black/white narrow myopic view of the world. If that is the price for being a alpha PUA, I don't wanna be one."):
Alpha, to me, means that you do the right things for the right reasons regardless of what others think. It has nothing to do with what this guy was. It's weird, but some of the best PUA's I've met fell into this same damn category. It's time for that to change.
(Commenting on: "I know alot of the problem is fear of rejection - but that is something I REALLY need to get past. I need to find the window and go for it."):
If you're serious about this, and ever find yourself in Montreal, drop me an email at [email protected] I've been thinking about getting back into the NLP business, and shyness, etc. is what I used to specialize in. If I can get over it, anybody can!
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Chuck:
I've been following up on your "Recommended List" and have learned
an incredible amount of good and very useful stuff from the recommendations.
What fun! And what a difference it has made! I especially second your recommendation
for David DeAngelo's "Double Your Dating" newsletter and book(http://www.doubleyourdating.com/cl/).
His book is just killer and filled in all the gaps of what really is running
behind the scenes with women. Knowledge is Power and this is Huge Knowledge.
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Alan:
(Commenting on: "Mark B.:
On the topic of confidence.
...
You feel a sense of confidence about yourself and you almost lose perception
of yourself. You are able to remember patterns, NLP, dog tricks and know exactly
what to do and say to a woman (I am not trying to do a pattern here).
Well, it's not that the world slows down but that your perception has speeded
up, i.e. your brain is working faster. How do you get your brain to work faster?
The right amount of constant glucose entering your blood stream, gentlemen."):
I suspect what Mark is describing is the effect of heightened levels of dopamine,
a neurotransmitter associated with alertness and arousal.
Proteins tend to boost dopamine, as does caffeine.
Long-term, you can manipulate your neurotransmitter levels using diet, exercise,
and behaviour. For details, see the book "Peak Performance Living",
by Dr Joel Robertson.
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PRODUCTS AND LINKS (There's some NEW STUFF in here, and I will try and put something new in here as often as possible):
For those of you who are just reading about this for the first time, I decided a couple of emails ago to add links to these emails. The idea would be to get enough money in to hire someone to take over the administrative work (and also to buy things which would improve this list, such as proper mailing list software) for this list. If you were going to buy the product anyway, just use the link that appears below and you are helping to keep this list going at no extra cost to anyone.
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One of the more useful links I have set up is to amazon.com -- I know I buy
a lot from them and I am sure that many of you also do. So I arranged a link
with them and you can now buy from them and help out this email newsletter at
the same time. If anyone has any other suggestions of sites that would be a
good one for me to set up a link to, please let me know.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/nositeihaveap-20 For those in
the U.K., this should work: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=cliffslist-21&site=amazon
Here's a way for you to accept credit cards on your site today: http://zzz.clickbank.net/r/?cliffslist
RECOMMENDED LIST
DOUBLE YOUR DATING One of the best places for you to start your journey on becoming
more successful with women would be to get David DeAngelo's Double Your Dating
e-book. David (who posts here under the name "Sisonpyh" -- which is
"hypnosis" spelled backwards) is a good friend that I have known for
several years now that I originally met through one of Ross's Speed Seduction
seminars. His posts here have been among the most outstanding contributions
I have had over the years and his book (and the free bonuses) is highly recommended.
http://www.doubleyourdating.com/cl/ HOW TO SUCCEED WITH WOMEN Ron Louis and
David Copeland have been reading these emails for awhile and recently sent me
their Mastery Program Tape series which I have finished listening to. It has
some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you
can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those
who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent
basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For
those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set
of tapes.
http://www.howtosucceedwithwomen.com/cgi-bin/at.cgi?a=169700 SEVEN MAGIC WORDS
Comments on this product from Tony B.:
I thought I might drop you a quick line regarding some of the more popular sites
that have been seen within this "seduction community." After seeing
several terrible reviews and "flames" from alt.seduction.fast, I decided
to make a decision for myself based upon my own ideas of what could be offered
on the Seven Magic Words product and after several months of reading great novels
about how to attract women and multiple posts about how women are most attracted
to men, I STILL found the site to be beneficial. After joining the site, I was
happy to learn all the new techniques that I have never seen on any list and
that alone made it worth the money. I am not typically the type of person that
spends money on a site especially a seduction site, I would rather pay for some
audio or video, but the information that was offered was different and unequal
to anything I have seen in the past. At any rate, I know you wanted a review..
and I have actually come to know the owner, and he puts more attention in his
members area than I would expect to see from any other site.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/smackudown DATING INSIDER Not only does
this next site give you an unconditional 1 year no risk money back guarantee,
but it stands alone and it's program is unmatched. Right now they're doing a
Free Trial period, and I'd take advantage of this while you can. The site reads
"Learn the proven secrets for meeting, attracting, and seducing women.
From A - Z, you'll discover the most advanced techniques for picking up women
ever developed." Check out their Free Trial (before it ends) and you'll
see why their members like this program so much. Click on
http://www.dating-insider.com/international/welcome.html.
How to Lay Girls Guide The ultimate SEDUCTION SECRETS database: http://www.layguide.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=Cliffslist
THE UNKNOWN! (Not reviewed)
HYPNO-TECH Here's another one which I think has been reviewed here in the past
but I haven't gone through the old emails to check. "Do You Want To Know
A Simple, Two Minute Hypnotic Technique That Lets YOU Secretly Put Any Woman
Into An Instant Trance And Persuades Her To Ask YOU Out?
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/hypnotech ADVANCED MACKING Advanced Macking
has one of the most enticing websites. An updated review would also be welcome.
http://links.verotel.com/cgi-bin/showsite.verotel?vercode=66629804000000274976
This one also looked pretty interesting. The link for more information on breakups
and loving-styles is http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/Tigress Success Secrets
Our free newsletter reveals it all Money and Personal Finance secrets; Business
& Marketing secrets; Health, Fitness, and Weight-Loss advice; Self Defense
secrets; Memory Improvement tips; Smart Advice on Flirting, Dating, Sex, and
Relationships; Personal Development tips; Communication and Negotiation tips;
Tax Secrets & Loopholes!
Investment and Stock Market tips; and Much More http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/prodeskcom
The Ultimate Guide to Powerful Relationships is only $8.95 and looks very interesting.
Comments, please. http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades Here's a new
one I found which needs to be reviewed: "Guys! Get More Pussy with our
Adult Personals Inside Secrets Guide! Plus! Free Survey Results of Women Using
Personals for Sex The Guide contains the following Inside Secrets Replying to
ads - how to get noticed and get a date for hot sex.
Placing ads - how to beat the competition and get lots of replies How to handle
follow up communication to keep her interested. Examples of replies that worked
on us. You can just copy and paste these into your ads or replies. Saves you
time and increases your chances! A directory of the best websites for meeting
hot women! Sick of chicks who are only into cybersex and nothing else! The Guide
contains a list of the best adult personals sites."
http://secure.ibill.com/cgi-win/ccard/rscookie.exe?RevShareID=9804000000274976&
returnto=http://www.mysexinfo.com <http://www.mysexinfo.com/ Secrets of Power
Persuasion! A course by Jian Wang to teach you how to write hypnotic language
to make others obey your command.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/mrchange Arte's New Sex Video is kind of
interesting. He shows a lot about playing with a woman's g spot (which he demonstrates
on his comely girlfriend - but I could have done without seeing your dick, Arte).
I will do a more extensive review after I have watched it again more carefully:
http://amos.simonweb.com/loveebook/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=lrec HERE'S A
NEW ONE
Suspect your spouse of cheating on you? Check this out http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/spouse1
FREE PLUGS
The following are all recommended but clicking on the links and buying from
them doesn't send any money back here (it is also recommended that the sponsors
of these sites consider setting this up -- from the little experience I have
had since I started the commercial section a couple of weeks ago, I think you
are missing a lot of business by not doing this) http://www.speed-seduction.com/
- The # 1 source; read the free newsletters & get the basic course.
http://www.trucor.com/ - Major Mark's site, the place to learn hypnosis and
about married women
http://www.essential-skills.com/ - learn anchoring, tonality, rapport, goal
getting, etc.
http://www.davidshade.com/ Give women incredible pleasure get David Shade's
Manual
http://www.fastseduction.com/ - great resource, a must visit http://www.sosuave.com/
- lots of free materials, many good ideas and articles http://www.mindcontrolmanual.com/
- seduce men and women through the power of the mind
http://www.oscarbruce.com/ - All his books deal with perusasion, manipulation
and a mild form of seduction. Books like School for Scoundrels focus on getting
your way with people and getting them to see things your way.
Get on Mystery's Lounge - send him an email at [email protected] with
REQUEST MEMBERSHIP in the subject line. Include your REAL name, your experience,
background in the PUA, some online PUA's who can vouch for you (references),
and a real pic of yourself. If you do not wish to give this REAL information,
don't join. Only the PRO's are in there anyways - we discuss lots of stuff but
it's the REAL pix of our conquests and the fact that we don't HIDE who we are
to each other that makes it appealing. MANY of the members Mystery has personally
sarged with. The rule is simple don't fuck up anyone's game. If you can abide
by that and have a track record for contributing, then that's basically good
as gold. Pix are a requirement, however. The Lounge is in many ways an EXTENSION
of Cliff's List and is not an alternative. You don't have to be a PRO, but you
MUST play the game. If you are only WANTING to ONE DAY chase skirts, please
don't bother joining.
Mystery is now offering his in-field Mystery Method (MM) BASIC TRAINING workshop
in several cities. Click http://mysterymethod.1avenue.com/ for more information,
workshop locations, dates & to sign up.
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New Links to be explored (WE NEED THESE REVIEWED!): 1) The website reads as
follows and we need someone's review of this: "Impress everybody! Make
your life happen on purpose! Matthew Whiting an English and Psychology graduate
from Canterbury University and later a graduate of The National Academy of Performing
Arts, has created this revolutionary step-by-step training system which will
give you the means to becoming irresistibly attractive. Hence enabling you to
gain the relationship and life that you want. Whether it is on stage or in real
life we all know the "x" factor when we see it! But can we produce
our own individual "x factor"? In this book Matthew Whiting's radical
new approach to "being irresistibly attractive" will show you how
to: Master these personal strategies to become more Charismatic: · Learn
how to be master of your own intention · Taking action
· Being a successful leader
· Learning confidence
· ...and a lot more...
Master these personal strategies for more Passion: · How to be funny
· Leaving a lasting impression
· How to utilize the power of speech
· Extraordinary kissing
· Flirting - a delightful, innocent, and respectful way to play with
each other!
· ...and a lot more...(18 Chapters in total!) This book is jam-packed
with tonnes of information, (185 A4-size pages). It is written in a tongue-in-cheek
manner which is easy to follow, and you are sure to enjoy. Once you experience
the marvelous changes that Matthew Whiting enables you to make, you can shape
your relationships and other life circumstances exactly as you'd like them to
be." http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades 2) How to create sexual
chemistry! This one looks interesting -- we need a review!
http://www.attractwomennow.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi/Cliffslist 3)
Welcome to CheekyCherry.co.uk, home of what has been called the bible of 'attracting
women, keeping them and sleeping with them'.
http://www.cheekycherry.co.uk/Main_categories/seduction_and_dating/dating_guide.html
4) Courses for women to seduce men!
http://www.ihrt.co.uk/seductionsystems/text%20gals.htm 5) Guys Guide to Girls
- A guide to relationships. How to overcome shyness and understand your partner...
http://www.philipov.com/guys1.htm 6) Wally's Seduction Tips for Desperate Bachelors
http://www.wallyandmurk.com/wally/sedution/Wallymag.html 7) Help with seduction
- for women who want to seduce men.
http://www.seducehim.com/
8) The website reads as follows and we need someone's review of this: "Ladies!
Never date a stranger unless you've checked him out first!
Fortunately, a basic background check is an easy thing to do, via the telephone
and the Internet. In just a matter of minutes, you can find out a great deal
on your own about any potential date (or even your fiance' or husband) using
the simple, free background check techniques described in our new "how-to"
manual.
CHECK HIM OUT FIRST! "Check Him Out! - The American Woman's Guide to Background
Investigations" guides you through the entire background check process
using clear, nontechnical language. You'll be amazed to learn that there's a
lot that can be done just by using the telephone intelligently!
Without even touching a computer, you can usually verify someone's name, address,
age, occupation, and even marital status over the telephone if you know which
government public records office to call and what information to ask for. "Check
Him Out!" is written for you -- the American woman with no knowledge of
public records and background checks, but with a need to do some quick basic
checking. It's easy to follow, and while it won't make you a seasoned "gumshoe,"
it will make you quite knowledgeable about the subject and will teach you all
you need to know to conduct a thorough basic background check on your own --
plus, it will show you where and how to get competent, reasonably priced help
if you later decide you want a more complex, in-depth background check done.
All this for $11.95 is hard to beat!" http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/washres
9) The website reads as follows and we need someone's review of this: "Learn
how to talk to chicks and get them wet DURING the conversation.
Improve your style! Give yourself a make over, you will be able to look like
a STUD. My Original Proven-to-work, pickup lines. My Secret Cologne that guaranteed
to attract girls like a powerful magnet (Guaranteed to work everytime). How
to get the perfect pair of lips without surgery. Voice Secret - How to make
your voice sweet. (this will turn any woman on). Types of Girls - Detail Explainations
on Poor Girls, to High-Class girls. How to tell which girl is rich, and how
to impress a certain type of girls. Smooth Lines to use in any conversation."
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/recognize1
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