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Mark B.:
On the topic of confidence.
There so many posts on this newsletter that deal with the issue of confidence
and not knowing what to say to a woman or feeling extremely nervous. Some suggest
patterns, visualizing being 40 feet tall or some other technique such as focusing
on her voice and forgetting yourself. I find that they key to confidence starts
in the brain where our thought patterns are able to effectively deal with the
situation at hand in a clear and easy manner. Ever have the feeling of things
slowing down where you feel sharp and everything seems clear, you can react
quickly and know exactly what to do? You feel a sense of confidence about yourself
and you almost lose perception of yourself. You are able to remember patterns,
NLP, dog tricks and know exactly what to do and say to a woman (I am not trying
to do a pattern here). Well, it's not that the world slows down but that your
perception has speeded up, i.e. your brain is working faster. How do you get
your brain to work faster? The right amount of constant glucose entering your
blood stream, gentlemen. As glucose is the only fuel your brain can use for
energy. Too little glucose or a lack of constant supply results in poor brain
function hence nervousness or lack of clear thinking.
How do you get enough glucose in the right proportions? Before we answer that
question let's look at the mechanism of glucose formation in simple terms. We
eat a carbohydrate, it's digested and converted to glucose that enters our blood
stream. Too much glucose too soon causes a sharp spike in insulin that removes
quickly all excess glucose from your blood hence low brain food levels hence
lack of confidence and less clear thinking, especially around a woman. What
is the solution to help get a proper amount at the right interval? The biggest
factor here is breakfast. The first meal is critical because your stomach is
empty from the night before and what you eat in the morning sets the stage for
how you will feel all day. I found eating a bowl of oatmeal with 5-6 egg whites
with one yolk and skim milk with an apple keeps your blood sugar influx constantly
because the protein in the egg whites prevents you from digesting your oatmeal
for glucose too fast and too soon. Hence, all day a steady stream of blood sugar
entering your blood, more energy levels, feeling of relaxation and confidence
and more clear thinking. Eating only cereal without protein causes a quick rises
in blood sugar, quick removal and lack of brain food all day and hence the nervous
and muddied headed feeling.
When I eat a full protein and carb meal I feel relaxed all day. But I still
get slightly nervous around a woman when making an approach for the first time
but that feeling quickly goes away and is replaced with a strong feeling of
aggression and confidence. It's almost a feeling of excitement and thrill of
going up to her and talking rather than a trembling fear and confusion. Same
thing when you want digits, sex, a date, whatever - aggression, thrill and confidence.
When I only eat oatmeal without the protein I feel sluggish, mentally slow,
lethargic and nervous around people in general and especially women. I feel
like to need to be by myself in order to discover what is wrong with me. The
quick spike of glucose and the removal of it causes you to think you need to
remedy something about yourself. When I eat my protein as egg whites and a yolk
in the morning with my carbs in the form of oatmeal, I find that I am able to
think clearly and make fast judgements and I can quickly see flaws in people's
arguments and know how to properly respond with conviction. You feel 100 times
more intelligent and sharp. It's a great feeling of power and unstoppable confidence
that you can go into any situation and be able to deal with it with confidence.
You feel unstoppable and aggressive - definitely a great state when trying to
get laid or do anything, for that matter.
Remember - mix your protein with carbs in breakfast equals easy and steady stream
of brain fuel for confidence and ultimately more women. Don't take my word for
it but try it yourself and see.
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Jones: In my experience with dealing with HB's in Russia, and Stockholm, and
of course the American HB's, I have concluded that there exists a romantic or
relationship "ecology" that is very much like any other ecology in
nature. What I mean to point out here is that an HB ain't going to want to be
with you unless she's getting something out of the deal.
Some guys pay for it in cash via either paying prostitutes, or simply being
a "sugar daddy" to women. Others use all the latest in seduction materials
and study, study, practice, practice, get better, practice, practice...
thus going in through that doorway.
The bottom line here is that I have concluded that the only woman who will ever
love a man just for being himself is his mama because he is a half-DNA version
of her. Any other chyck is going to want something in return, be it money, or
fun intense emotional highs, or whatever but there is a price to be paid either
way.
The only exception in this case would be the proverbial unattractive pig who
just desperately needs a man, which of course pigs should not apply to this
equation.
Cliff's Comments: The problem here is that you really don't understand the power that men have over women (and I am not telling you that I understand it that well either, but I have seen it and I know without question that the same power that you think they have over you -- especially when they are hot looking -- you can have that over them). And it is not something that needs all kinds of study and only obtained through very special language patterns -- it is mainly about your attitude. When you see yourself as the prize, not her, things start to change. She's the lucky one to go out with a guy like you, not the other way around.
Lately I have been following some of my friend David's ideas, one key one is to set your rules and stick to them. I tell them up front and in no uncertain terms that I am very busy and don't have a lot of time. I let them know that I am looking for a friend and a lover and not a new set of rules, regulations, restrictions and obligations. All relationships have to be built on honesty, trust and respect (which you keep feeding back to them whenever they ask you questions you don't want to answer, like if you are sleeping with other women) and that you give her her complete freedom to do whatever she wants, as long as it falls within her own conscience and that she treats you with honesty, trust & respect. And that you expect the same from her. I tell them I will never lie to them but that doesn't mean I am going to answer every question she asks either. I look at couples that meet and then spend every moment together and within two weeks of meeting it is like they are joined at the hip - what they really are is afraid of letting the other person have their own life and that if they aren't around they don't feel secure enough with their own value that they need to be there all the time or else maybe they will meet someone else. What do you think is more likely to still be going on -- a friendship of someone you met and see whenever you see them (as any other friend) or a couple like that? It's not easy to have a truly mature relationship but the foundation of that is a lot stronger than something that is being propped up by fear. And from my own experience, the relationship I had with the last woman I did this with who had real potential for me developed into something very powerful.
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MTL_PUA:
(Commenting on: (Commenting on: "MTL_PUA Always works. Stick your fist
out and say "Don't leave me hanging on this!" Let them knock your
fist with theirs. It's a sign of acceptance and creates an immediate bond. I
have used this with HB9/10's and it lowers their bitch shield fairly fast."):
Stephane said: I don't get it. Could you explain this further? Anything to lower
bitch shields.)
Your fist: ->
Her fist: <-
The action: -><-
Just stick your fist out and knock hers. Works wonders.
Commenting on: "(Stephane’s comment: ("Maturity is the balance
between courage and consideration. See, you can have the courage to express
your ideas and feelings to others, but if it's not BALANCED with a sincere consideration
for the ideas and feelings of others, then you are immature.
OR, you can be soooo considerate for the feelings of others, but not have enough
of a backbone to stand up to other people and really express yourself. So to
me, the key to being truly mature is to be constantly striving for the balance
between being considerate AND courageous."):
My friend, you are definitely a master. Last night, I went out with this 28 year old HB I sarged a week ago. Field tested this. I don’t think I have ever seen a girl look at me in that way before. I could kiss you for proposing this one. Seriously!
Commenting on: "(Stephane: (Commenting on (Follow your heart): You seem to use this 'command' a lot, and your pattern (I didn't re-post it here because it's so long) is extremely sophisticated and amazing. It's definitely going into my bag of tricks, and I'm going to be sprinkling a lot of "Follow your heart" into what I do from now on! Keep it up, bro."):
The reason why I like this pattern is because it's universal. It’s one
of those that you can use with any girl you meet or see for the second time.
When I see a woman for the second time (or feel that “connection”
off the bat), it means that I do have something interesting about me that she
likes; furthermore, they are typically reluctant to do anything too soon because
of the “Am I a slut if I do this?” factor. The pattern works great
because it dissociates emotions and logic. When I am having random convo with
a girl, I always state the fact that you have 2 types of people in the world:
Those who follow their heart and those who follow their head (I know this can
be argued by saying that some have a healthy mix of both but this is not the
issue here; typically this goes over without any argument). What the above line
does is that it subtly makes her automatically categorize people this way. You
then go into how people that follow their hearts are the greatest thing since
sliced bread, creating envy for being that type of person. So by the time you
go into the actual pattern: 1) She sees you as someone who follows your heart
at all times (emotionally inclined person)
2) She sees the value of being someone who follows her heart 3) She WANTS TO
BE someone who follows her heart 4) Finally, you are giving her the chance to
follow her heart The pattern is just a way to validate everything you said prior
to going into it.
MTL_PUA in a new realization:
I have been reading up and thinking about groundwork & congruence a lot
lately, and finally managed to get something useful down on paper. Here is something
that I have now tested and figured out that this works for me.
Maybe someone else can benefit from it.
I recently met a girl at a lounge and when we were talking; I gave her my “Born
on a plane” line (I was born on a plane between Amsterdam and Montreal,
seriously!). Then I lead the conversation onto wild/exciting things she did
in life. Popped out a few routines about being an adventurous type guy, relating
to an adventurous girl. I then proceeded to take her hand, lead her to a couch.
As she sat down, I spotted 2 more girls, so I went over to see them and asked
them to join us; now I am working with a newly-formed 3 set, as well as the
competition factor. The lounge has a body-shot contest, and I enter. Little
do I know I have to provide the body … hehehe … I get on the bar,
some women lick salt & lemon off me, and I go back to the couch afterwards.
The three girls are talking together and I move in on my target (the original
chyck I was with), and in front of the 2 other girls, I just tongue her down.
Period.
At the end of the night, I was at her place and I asked her what I did for her
to want me so bad (I ask this a lot as a follow up). Her response was one that
completely changed the way I PU women. She said that women get approached all
the time (duh!), and guys will say just about anything to get them into bed.
She had personally experienced guys lying on the “adventurous” bit
just to impress her. She had pizza boys presenting themselves as investment
bankers; the works really. What mesmerized me were her next words: “It’s
one thing to present yourself as someone but quite another to act like who you
say you are.”
Thinking back, if she would have told me she was a shy girl, I think I still
would have done the body-shot competition, but probably would not have been
able to sleep with her because my groundwork would have been different, hence
completely losing congruence in the matter.
I have adapted my sarging tactics to reflect her words. I now (for the most
part) base all of my future actions on the groundwork that I laid out, and THAT
has proven to be the BEST THING that I could ever incorporate in to my style.
So how does congruence fit into this? Well, showing people how you are after
you have told them (subtly or otherwise) will validate what you said.
It’s basically proof, and that is where I have gone wrong in certain situations.
I did all the groundwork, but I did not follow-up on it.
I am now at the stage where I am trying to make this into an automatic thing.
Talk, then show.
MTL_PUA commenting on Stephanie and her thoughts: Here is my take on your comments.
Although I do agree with you that manipulation is quite different from deception,
I don’t agree with you that most people on this list don’t get this
concept.
Here is the thing: Most people in the seduction arena are NOT naturals.
They are NOT people who just happen to be good with women. A lot of the stuff
posted on this list and other places is really just advice that you have to
incorporate into your character. I don’t think that we just go out and
blurt out patterns for shits and giggles. It’s a way to take a woman through
an emotional experience. I don’t just fuck ‘em and dump ‘em.
I give them what they want and take them on a journey of fulfillment. I can
also guarantee you that if you ever were to come across me even once in your
life, you would definitely feel SOMETHING that would push you to get to know
me better, just because I am completely comfortable with myself. You incorporate
PU into your style, and not your style into PU.
The whole “fake it ‘till you make it” is unfortunately something
all of us go through in the transition from sucking with women to actually making
them feel attraction for us.
For women this is quite different. An interesting experiment was done a few
months ago where a woman went up to 100 men and asked them to sleep with her.
87% said yes. A guy doing the same got a close ratio of 12%. That says a lot.
Women have the upper hand, and use it to their advantage to get what they want
(don’t tell me you never flirted with a traffic cop or something like that).
The people in this community are just tipping the scale in their favor; it may
seem “mischievous” and “manipulative” and “deceptive”,
but then again it’s easy to feel that way when you have the upper hand.
Try being on the losing end for a few years and see if you would not do ANYTHING
in your power to get what you want out of your sexual life. Then we can debate
the issue properly. All is fair in love and war.
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Stephane:
(Commenting on: Mark’s dialogue "HBB: "Mark, you are just using
me for sex.
Where is this thing going between between us?" Me: "What do you mean
where is it going. Let's talk about something else?" HBB: "No , I
need to know because if it's just sex then I am going out there and if I meet
someone else I will go out with him and the fucking stops then"
Me: "If that is the case then I will now stop the car and you are getting
out right now on the street and you can go to see the movie on your own and
I am done with you"
HBB: - dumbfounded look on her face "You would not do that would you?"
Me: "You will continue fucking me as long as I want to and accept the situation
for how it is. You have it really good with me. No one else can fuck you like
I can so relax and calm down"):
If this is how you treat women, you’re only going to attract low self-esteemers. How about enjoying each other’s company? Making women feel good, feels good.
My last GF once asked me if I was using her. I responded with, “OF COURSE I am!! I am using you for sex. I am using you for companionship. I am using you for the incredible times that we have together. And you are using me, too!” That reframed her nicely.
I can appreciate an experimental attitude, though.
Commenting on ("Not stating your view makes you look weak. Forcing your view on others by repeatedly trying to get them to agree and by not backing off is too onerous and pushes people away. Stating your opinion counter to what people think while respecting theirs by not trying to change their view garners you most respect."):
I agree. You should state your opinion, and not try to force it on others. But there’s another word for chronic Mismatchers in NLP: ASSHOLE. If you think that you need to be an asshole to get laid, you are dead wrong. Maturity = the ability to state your opinions BALANCED with the respect for other people’s opinions. By that definition, YOU only have the ability to state your own beliefs, and seem to have need to show respect for the feelings/opinions of others. Bad Karma for you otherwise.
Commenting on: ("Babes, especially hot ones are so used to guys falling over them and agreeing that when you as a real guy come along and have the balls to stand up to them they cannot help but desire you for they perceive you as a real man."):
AMEN to that! Last night I was talking to this HB9.5 at the bus stop and was getting really strong DDB. But I got lazy. She stated an opinion about parenting techniques that made absolutely no sense and I didn’t bother to challenge her on it, partly because my GF was walking toward us. I just said, “Yeah, I agree” and to my astonishment she actually got up and walked away from me without saying anything! She was really young, like 17. But I knew as soon as I opened my mouth that agreeing with her was going to be a mistake. I definitely should’ve challenged her, but at the same time, it’s not like I was going to close a 17 year-old girl anyway…
You’re on the right track with all this talk about stating your own opinions, and not trying to get her to agree. But you are in my opinion being hurtful and disrespectful to these women, and I am going to call you on it! If I ever meet your GF I believe I will be able to steal her so fast from you it’ll make your head swim. And I wouldn’t be surprised to see her out shopping for a new BF as we speak.
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Dwacon (www.dwacon.com):
Responding to Mark B.: ("Me: "If that is the case then I will now
stop the car and you are getting
out right now on the street and you can go to see the movie on your own and
I am done with you."
HBB: - dumbfounded look on her face "You would not do that would you?"):
HEE HEEE HEEEE HARRRR !!!!! I just love that stuff.
I had this HB at the gym who was giving me this same shite and I basically told
her toodle-ooo. Her behavior changed quicker than Sybill.
(Commenting on: After we went back to my place but it was that time of the month so all we did was just get each other off with our hands."):
Huh??? That time of the month is not a showstopper for me. It just adds a little
extra flavour... and more lube for the pumping. I like to use it to paint myself
like a wild Aborigine or something.
But that's just my opinion... I could be wrong.
Franky the Tux:
I recently met this girl at a club where I have been taking dancing lessons
(a great way to meet girls by the way). She has a boyfriend that she dated for
a year and then broke up with him
and then just got back together with him. I didn't have any intentions for her
but for the fun of it I practiced some of the things I learned on this list
(being cocky/funny, using neg hits, etc.). Last week she volunteered her email
address to me so we could 'keep in touch'. I wrote her a quick email and this
is the reply I got: (my comments in [ ]):
Hi Xxxxx,
How's it going? I do apologize for not emailing you back right away. I am sorry
I didn't get to say goodbye to you on Wednesday night [at the club] either.
I ended up leaving in sort of a rush. Kevin [her borfriend] was getting on my
nerves so we left. I would have liked to do the night club two step [dance we
learned] with you too, but you weren't there when it started and Kevin beat
you to it. He wanted to show his buddy Brian what it was. I think you and I
would have done a better job at showing him what it looked like simply because
Kevin hasn't been to the lessons
as much as us. Oh well. Hey let me know when they do the two step lessons I
will try and be there for you when that comes around. I did tell Brian that
I would do that with him once, but he never came around for it so hopefully
he won't the next time around either. I tell you the night I met you I thought
I was gonna wind up watching the show since there were so many females and only
one male
[without dance partners]. You certainly had your choice that night! Glad it
was me. :-) I probably would have quit going for those lessons otherwise assuming
it would be like that every Wednesday night. I would personally like to take
the intermediate west coast lessons. I would like Kevin to do them with me,
but I can't count on him to be there every Wednesday night plus he is going
to be gone most of this month anyway. We do most of our dancing together, but
I like to get around the dance floor if you know what I mean. :-) (not in a
dirty way). Well listen it is getting late and I have to be up early in the
morning for work.
See you later,
Axxxx
Bros, this is full of good information. Her borefriend gets on her nerves, she can't count on him to be there when she wants him, and he's going to gone for a month! I have decided to actively sarge this girl so I need your advice. What should I do next? How do I create even more interest in me (I'm assuming that there is some interest in me already), and how do I break down any resistance to her exploring her feelings for me while her borefriend is away?
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Tony20:
How to get a girl to go from neutral to uncomfortable to feeling relief and
laughter.
This is excellent in the cocky-funny attitude that Sisonpyh is very good at
describing. What works for me is the following. When I’m in conversation
with a girl I steer it to a subject that is trivial. I get her to give me her
opinion about it without she knowing my opinion. Now, if you do this right you
picked up a subject that you know she dislikes and she thinks you dislike it,
too. So she probably will say her opinion very firm without reserves. At this
point you tell her the exact opposite in a way that isn’t really your opinion
but makes her think you don’t have a choice. You then shut up and WAIT(crucial)
for her reaction. At this point she is uncomfortable… and then wait a little
more with a serious look on your face but then a big grin comes out and you
say: just kidding!! Let me give an example: We were in front of her door and
she was looking for her key in her bag. I was just looking around a bit and
this junk or bum is passing by (she lives in a VERY bad neighbourhood). She
sees me looking at him and she says something like: why can’t they just
shoot all junks. So I keep quiet and look her right in the eyes and tell her.
My brother is a junk and lives on the street. WAIT FOR REACTION She goes completely
red and says something like she doesn’t mean it. WAIT BEFORE YOU SAY SOMETHING
I laugh and tell her: KIDDING!!! Haha.
She’s
all relieved and happy now and I make my move ;-). Now this works for alot of
situations. Make sure you do it with a bit of drama.
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David Johnson (http://mindiscovery.itgo.com/ NLP & SS): Went to Brighton
this weekend to do some sarging - and boy did I learn alot! Lots of girls and
great weather added to the generally good vibe I was getting. The first girl
sarged was on the train with me. She wasn't much to look at but I decided to
give it a 'go' and practice. I talked alot about feelings and did a great deal
more self-pointing and away pointing than I have previously. She actually gave
me a great segue into IC/feeling comfortable pattern by talking about her business
partners being more of 'acquaintances' than actually good friends. She left
it open, so I pounced! (I am definitely becoming more aware of these opportunities
when they become available). I paid alot more attention to her body language
which was closed at first (arms crossed) and then slowly more open and comfortable.
(I am not saying this is a general rule for body language, but just the vibe
I was getting). The conversation went pretty well, but her stop was before mine
so she had to leave saying 'oh shoot, I have to leave now', with a slight longing
in her voice. A good start to the weekend.
Brighton:
Once I got there, I basically opened by asking a lot of questions on directions
and things to see & do in Brighton. At first I was getting a few cold shoulders
from the women, so I tried a different tactic.
Instead of saying
'Can you tell me where I'd find a good bed & breakfast?' - I said 'If you
were me, where would you go in town for a good b & b?' - AND then I cocked
my head to calibrate that she would also be feeling a little quizzical (thanks
RJ). I feel this did two things:
1) Created a situation where she had to go inside and give a decent answer because
she was suddenly in my shoes (felt a personal responsibility in the answer she
was giving),
2) Achieved decent rapport with one sentence.
And you know what? I got alot more genuine responses from it.
I have also been practicing smiling alot more - when they are talking, when
asking questions and during the general conversation. I cannot believe how quickly
someone will mirror you because of it! 'Mental note' - re: smile more.
AND I have been keeping a Sarging journal as well.
Most people were generally friendly and got some good rapport with women, but
none I was interested in. I have been discussing 'feelings' more than usual
and it seems to cause them to double-take because they are not used to being
asked about that.
On Saturday, I hit 'Borders' bookstore. Lots of young pretty girls, but none
that I was interested in. I walked around a few times and suddenly found someone
worth pursuing. Sitting on the ground, reading a book on 'Soul Mates' (I didn't
know the subject of the book at the time) was a gorgeous brown haired girl.
I quickly started chatting to her and we found out we had alot in common, too
much maybe - almost scary.
Now hear this: I don't believe in fate or anything that limited. I use it because
I know that chicks dig it. That is all. But this girl/situation was starting
to convince even me. But back to the story.
We were both looking at the same 'type' of books and started talking. I quickly
Kino'ed her and teased her a little bit and she Kino'ed me back.
Things were starting to look good, Mr. Simpson, very good...
I then began discussing soul mates/connections and BANG, she went into a DDB
trance like I have never seen before. I mean, I was staring right into her eyes,
unbelievably focused, talking - I was embarrassed at how intently she was looking
back! And guess what? I didn't know what to do. I froze and looked away, and
changed the subject. There was a window of opportunity there - opened just enough
for me to get thru, but I felt a draft and closed it!
SHOULD HAVE: ANCHORED THE GOOD FEELINGS WITH A TOUCH OR VOICE.
SHOULD HAVE: RUN THE IC PATTERN WITH THE 'CLICK' SNAPPING FINGERS AS AN ANCHOR.
SHOULD HAVE: LEFT EARLY INTO THE CONVERSATION AND MADE A TIME TO MEET FOR COFFEE.
She fell out of the trance when people started walking by and saying 'hi' to
her. I realized that I needed to get her back into it and quickly. We then started
discussing a particular author and found out we had both read the same book.
Now, this in itself might not seem much, but the topic was 'Shaman mystics'
(and so the coincidences kept piling up), a rather obscure and not widely read
topic, I supposed. At this point I had been sitting on a bench, face to face,
while she sat on the floor. I purposely moved to sit beside her, telling her
my back was sore and needed to lean against the books. She smiled, but sort
of moved away. I quickly thought back to what RJ said and moved back also. I
was obviously in her personal space. It didn't seem to get her comfortable though,
not sure why.
We then started discussing TV and other things. We both discovered that our
favourite show was 'Buffy'.
Now I was starting to feel a bit weird. I told her that I had to leave because
I couldn't believe what she was telling me (in a fun and joking manner). I said,
'I know this sounds cheesy - you sitting here reading about soul mates, but
this is getting too strange for words.' I started to get pretty passionate about
the coincidences and we both laughed.
Her friend then came over and broke the trance again.
At this point, I was very unsure what to do. I felt that if I asked for a number
or email at this particular instant, I would have gained nothing because her
'state' had changed so much. I figured I should try to trance her again. Suddenly
another friend (whom she had been waiting for) came by and she had to leave.
I wished to good luck and told her it was nice meeting her (God, I am such a
wuss!). She said, in true female 'Fate' form, 'maybe I will see you again' (this
meant to me that she believed that if it was REALLY MEANT TO BE, we would meet
again.) Well, she left and I was sitting in the silence of my own stupidity.
I picked myself up and walked out the store. She called again to me saying 'See
you David.' I left feeling somewhat dejected, thinking that even in the end
I should have gone up and said 'Listen, if you are not with someone that makes
you feel totally fulfilled, maybe we owe it to ourselves to get together later.'
But I didn't.
I was pissed off with myself because I had the perfect IC/SOUL MATE pattern
fall into my lap - and yet I didn't do enough with it. Live and learn.
I then sat down outside the mall and started chatting with another girl and
used the 'Soul Mates' experience to my advantage - or so I thought. I told her
that I thought I had met my soul mate, but let her get away.
Even as I was saying it, I realized I set myself up for a fall. I ruined any
chance before I even began because I was talking about a connection that had
NOTHING TO DO WITH HER! I should have 'quoted' it using a friend that had experienced
it instead of me.
Another lesson learned.
On the way back to the B & B, I stopped a beautiful girl name Mekayla from
Sweden and chatted about the safety of the city and asked her 'if you were me,
where would you go tonight?' hehe. She told me and we chatted for about 10 minutes.
I could see she was getting anxious to leave because she had groceries, so I
offered to help her back with them saying 'I feel I owe you something because
you helped me out'. She declined and we went our separate ways. I thought I
might see her later.
Out on my last night in Brighton. I met up with a couple of friendly guys on
my way to a pub. They asked if I wanted to come along and hang out. I agreed.
Now, these guys were wasted, but one in particular was a pure PUA. He made no
excuses when it came to talking to chicks and why he was talking to them. Every
chick that came in the bar, he stopped and chatted with. And guess what? 80%
of them were responsive (and 70% of them were not much to look at either). I
was chatting occasionally to a girl that I fancied and he turned to me and said
'hey, if you didn't talk to them they might think you are gay - so what they
hell?' What a great attitude towards sarging. He was a pure PUA to me - but
along with that, he had other immediate problems that was abundantly apparent:
he was a major bigot, a coke-head, & had an unchanging black/white narrow
myopic view of the world. If that is the price for being a alpha PUA, I don't
wanna be one.
Well, when he started to espouse his views of the world to me, I felt this was
the best time to exit. I thanked the guys and went my own way.
Overall a great weekend, lots of learning - but still problems closing. I know
alot of the problem is fear of rejection - but that is something I REALLY need
to get past. I need to find the window and go for it.
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PRODUCTS AND LINKS (There's some NEW STUFF in here, and I will try and put something new in here as often as possible):
For those of you who are just reading about this for the first time, I decided a couple of emails ago to add links to these emails. The idea would be to get enough money in to hire someone to take over the administrative work (and also to buy things which would improve this list, such as proper mailing list software) for this list. If you were going to buy the product anyway, just use the link that appears below and you are helping to keep this list going at no extra cost to anyone.
NON SEDUCTION-RELATED SITES
One of the more useful links I have set up is to amazon.com -- I know I buy
a lot from them and I am sure that many of you also do. So I arranged a link
with them and you can now buy from them and help out this email newsletter at
the same time. If anyone has any other suggestions of sites that would be a
good one for me to set up a link to, please let me know.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/nositeihaveap-20 For those in
the U.K., this should work: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=cliffslist-21&site=amazon
Here's a way for you to accept credit cards on your site today: http://zzz.clickbank.net/r/?cliffslist
RECOMMENDED LIST
DOUBLE YOUR DATING One of the best places for you to start your journey on becoming
more successful with women would be to get David DeAngelo's Double Your Dating
e-book. David (who posts here under the name "Sisonpyh" -- which is
"hypnosis" spelled backwards) is a good friend that I have known for
several years now that I originally met through one of Ross's Speed Seduction
seminars. His posts here have been among the most outstanding contributions
I have had over the years and his book (and the free bonuses) is highly recommended.
http://www.doubleyourdating.com/cl/ HOW TO SUCCEED WITH WOMEN Ron Louis and
David Copeland have been reading these emails for awhile and recently sent me
their Mastery Program Tape series which I have finished listening to. It has
some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you
can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those
who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent
basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For
those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set
of tapes.
http://www.howtosucceedwithwomen.com/cgi-bin/at.cgi?a=169700 SEVEN MAGIC WORDS
Comments on this product from Tony B.:
I thought I might drop you a quick line regarding some of the more popular sites
that have been seen within this "seduction community." After seeing
several terrible reviews and "flames" from alt.seduction.fast, I decided
to make a decision for myself based upon my own ideas of what could be offered
on the Seven Magic Words product and after several months of reading great novels
about how to attract women and multiple posts about how women are most attracted
to men, I STILL found the site to be beneficial. After joining the site, I was
happy to learn all the new techniques that I have never seen on any list and
that alone made it worth the money. I am not typically the type of person that
spends money on a site especially a seduction site, I would rather pay for some
audio or video, but the information that was offered was different and unequal
to anything I have seen in the past. At any rate, I know you wanted a review..
and I have actually come to know the owner, and he puts more attention in his
members area than I would expect to see from any other site.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/smackudown DATING INSIDER Not only does
this next site give you an unconditional 1 year no risk money back guarantee,
but it stands alone and it's program is unmatched. Right now they're doing a
Free Trial period, and I'd take advantage of this while you can. The site reads
"Learn the proven secrets for meeting, attracting, and seducing women.
From A - Z, you'll discover the most advanced techniques for picking up women
ever developed." Check out their Free Trial (before it ends) and you'll
see why their members like this program so much. Click on
http://www.dating-insider.com/international/welcome.html.
How to Lay Girls Guide The ultimate SEDUCTION SECRETS database: http://www.layguide.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=Cliffslist
THE UNKNOWN! (Not reviewed)
HYPNO-TECH Here's another one which I think has been reviewed here in the past
but I haven't gone through the old emails to check. "Do You Want To Know
A Simple, Two Minute Hypnotic Technique That Lets YOU Secretly Put Any Woman
Into An Instant Trance And Persuades Her To Ask YOU Out?
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/hypnotech ADVANCED MACKING Advanced Macking
has one of the most enticing websites. An updated review would also be welcome.
http://links.verotel.com/cgi-bin/showsite.verotel?vercode=66629804000000274976
This one also looked pretty interesting. The link for more information on breakups
and loving-styles is http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/Tigress Success Secrets
Our free newsletter reveals it all Money and Personal Finance secrets; Business
& Marketing secrets; Health, Fitness, and Weight-Loss advice; Self Defense
secrets; Memory Improvement tips; Smart Advice on Flirting, Dating, Sex, and
Relationships; Personal Development tips; Communication and Negotiation tips;
Tax Secrets & Loopholes!
Investment and Stock Market tips; and Much More http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/prodeskcom
The Ultimate Guide to Powerful Relationships is only $8.95 and looks very interesting.
Comments, please. http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades Here's a new
one I found which needs to be reviewed: "Guys! Get More Pussy with our
Adult Personals Inside Secrets Guide! Plus! Free Survey Results of Women Using
Personals for Sex The Guide contains the following Inside Secrets Replying to
ads - how to get noticed and get a date for hot sex.
Placing ads - how to beat the competition and get lots of replies How to handle
follow up communication to keep her interested. Examples of replies that worked
on us. You can just copy and paste these into your ads or replies. Saves you
time and increases your chances! A directory of the best websites for meeting
hot women! Sick of chicks who are only into cybersex and nothing else! The Guide
contains a list of the best adult personals sites."
http://secure.ibill.com/cgi-win/ccard/rscookie.exe?RevShareID=9804000000274976&
returnto=http://www.mysexinfo.com <http://www.mysexinfo.com/ Secrets of Power
Persuasion! A course by Jian Wang to teach you how to write hypnotic language
to make others obey your command.
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/mrchange Arte's New Sex Video is kind of
interesting. He shows a lot about playing with a woman's g spot (which he demonstrates
on his comely girlfriend - but I could have done without seeing your dick, Arte).
I will do a more extensive review after I have watched it again more carefully:
http://amos.simonweb.com/loveebook/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=lrec HERE'S A
NEW ONE
Suspect your spouse of cheating on you? Check this out http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/spouse1
FREE PLUGS
The following are all recommended but clicking on the links and buying from
them doesn't send any money back here (it is also recommended that the sponsors
of these sites consider setting this up -- from the little experience I have
had since I started the commercial section a couple of weeks ago, I think you
are missing a lot of business by not doing this) http://www.speed-seduction.com/
- The # 1 source; read the free newsletters & get the basic course.
http://www.trucor.com/ - Major Mark's site, the place to learn hypnosis and
about married women
http://www.essential-skills.com/ - learn anchoring, tonality, rapport, goal
getting, etc.
http://www.davidshade.com/ Give women incredible pleasure get David Shade's
Manual
http://www.fastseduction.com/ - great resource, a must visit http://www.sosuave.com/
- lots of free materials, many good ideas and articles http://www.mindcontrolmanual.com/
- seduce men and women through the power of the mind
http://www.oscarbruce.com/ - All his books deal with perusasion, manipulation
and a mild form of seduction. Books like School for Scoundrels focus on getting
your way with people and getting them to see things your way.
Get on Mystery's Lounge - send him an email at [email protected] with
REQUEST MEMBERSHIP in the subject line. Include your REAL name, your experience,
background in the PUA, some online PUA's who can vouch for you (references),
and a real pic of yourself. If you do not wish to give this REAL information,
don't join. Only the PRO's are in there anyways - we discuss lots of stuff but
it's the REAL pix of our conquests and the fact that we don't HIDE who we are
to each other that makes it appealing. MANY of the members Mystery has personally
sarged with. The rule is simple don't fuck up anyone's game. If you can abide
by that and have a track record for contributing, then that's basically good
as gold. Pix are a requirement, however. The Lounge is in many ways an EXTENSION
of Cliff's List and is not an alternative. You don't have to be a PRO, but you
MUST play the game. If you are only WANTING to ONE DAY chase skirts, please
don't bother joining.
Mystery is now offering his in-field Mystery Method (MM) BASIC TRAINING workshop
in several cities. Click http://mysterymethod.1avenue.com/ for more information,
workshop locations, dates & to sign up.
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New Links to be explored (WE NEED THESE REVIEWED!): 1) The website reads as
follows and we need someone's review of this: "Impress everybody! Make
your life happen on purpose! Matthew Whiting an English and Psychology graduate
from Canterbury University and later a graduate of The National Academy of Performing
Arts, has created this revolutionary step-by-step training system which will
give you the means to becoming irresistibly attractive. Hence enabling you to
gain the relationship and life that you want. Whether it is on stage or in real
life we all know the "x" factor when we see it! But can we produce
our own individual "x factor"? In this book Matthew Whiting's radical
new approach to "being irresistibly attractive" will show you how
to: Master these personal strategies to become more Charismatic: · Learn
how to be master of your own intention · Taking action
· Being a successful leader
· Learning confidence
· ...and a lot more...
Master these personal strategies for more Passion: · How to be funny
· Leaving a lasting impression
· How to utilize the power of speech
· Extraordinary kissing
· Flirting - a delightful, innocent, and respectful way to play with
each other!
· ...and a lot more...(18 Chapters in total!) This book is jam-packed
with tonnes of information, (185 A4-size pages). It is written in a tongue-in-cheek
manner which is easy to follow, and you are sure to enjoy. Once you experience
the marvelous changes that Matthew Whiting enables you to make, you can shape
your relationships and other life circumstances exactly as you'd like them to
be." http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/unicades 2) How to create sexual
chemistry! This one looks interesting -- we need a review!
http://www.attractwomennow.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi/Cliffslist 3)
Welcome to CheekyCherry.co.uk, home of what has been called the bible of 'attracting
women, keeping them and sleeping with them'.
http://www.cheekycherry.co.uk/Main_categories/seduction_and_dating/dating_guide.html
4) Courses for women to seduce men!
http://www.ihrt.co.uk/seductionsystems/text%20gals.htm 5) Guys Guide to Girls
- A guide to relationships. How to overcome shyness and understand your partner...
http://www.philipov.com/guys1.htm 6) Wally's Seduction Tips for Desperate Bachelors
http://www.wallyandmurk.com/wally/sedution/Wallymag.html 7) Help with seduction
- for women who want to seduce men.
http://www.seducehim.com/
8) The website reads as follows and we need someone's review of this: "Ladies!
Never date a stranger unless you've checked him out first!
Fortunately, a basic background check is an easy thing to do, via the telephone
and the Internet. In just a matter of minutes, you can find out a great deal
on your own about any potential date (or even your fiance' or husband) using
the simple, free background check techniques described in our new "how-to"
manual.
CHECK HIM OUT FIRST! "Check Him Out! - The American Woman's Guide to Background
Investigations" guides you through the entire background check process
using clear, nontechnical language. You'll be amazed to learn that there's a
lot that can be done just by using the telephone intelligently!
Without even touching a computer, you can usually verify someone's name, address,
age, occupation, and even marital status over the telephone if you know which
government public records office to call and what information to ask for. "Check
Him Out!" is written for you -- the American woman with no knowledge of
public records and background checks, but with a need to do some quick basic
checking. It's easy to follow, and while it won't make you a seasoned "gumshoe,"
it will make you quite knowledgeable about the subject and will teach you all
you need to know to conduct a thorough basic background check on your own --
plus, it will show you where and how to get competent, reasonably priced help
if you later decide you want a more complex, in-depth background check done.
All this for $11.95 is hard to beat!" http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/washres
9) The website reads as follows and we need someone's review of this: "Learn
how to talk to chicks and get them wet DURING the conversation.
Improve your style! Give yourself a make over, you will be able to look like
a STUD. My Original Proven-to-work, pickup lines. My Secret Cologne that guaranteed
to attract girls like a powerful magnet (Guaranteed to work everytime). How
to get the perfect pair of lips without surgery. Voice Secret - How to make
your voice sweet. (this will turn any woman on). Types of Girls - Detail Explainations
on Poor Girls, to High-Class girls. How to tell which girl is rich, and how
to impress a certain type of girls. Smooth Lines to use in any conversation."
http://hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/recognize1
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