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NightLight9:
I was thinking about our debate on false pretenses the other day and I realized
something very interesting. I'm such a sexual person, that I don't think it's
possible for a woman to spend time with me without thinking about sex and me
and sex with me. That combined with my ability to calibrate women's responses
makes me think that when I invite a girl to do something on a "false"
pretense we are generally sharing the same false pretense. I also think there
is part of my game that very important to my style. That's that I make the process
of a woman getting involved with me feel like something that "just happened".
I let them believe that we just accidently fell into each other. We just happened
to both be at the bar, we just happened to end up talking over coffee. We just
happened to end out going to get some food, which we then realized we need to
cook on my stove. Then we happened to end up kissing and cuddling. Then my dick
happened to land into her mouth. Oops, we're passionate lovers. The pretense
is never false, because 1) I'm always willing to accept not having sexual relations
2) it's a natural progression, not a trick. To that end that's why I thought
Dwayne's close (in Montreal, where he got a woman's email address offering her
to pose for his website) was not a false pretense. He really did
want to take her picture even if she didn't want to sleep with him.
Similarly, I was going to eat dinner if she came over or not and always enjoy
company, the sex for me is the bonus.
(Commenting on "Pablo
At the end of the evening she
turns to me and says 'That was a great evening. I feel really close to you.'
(bearing in mind she knows absolutely nothing about me except my name and
telephone number). I smile and move in for a kiss on the cheek. She kisses me
on the lips. She takes a step back and looks deep into my eyes. I smile again
and arrange a second date. Now, she knows absolutely nothing about me, she has
opened herself up to me, she has not stopped calling me, and I'm pretty sure
she's ready for a close.")
This is one of my standard mechanisms for the first meeting. I know all about these women, and they just assume that if you don't say anything then we agree. If you really want to be an asshole you can actually not even listen to what they say, but just move your eyebrows and mirror them. I don't do this, because it's boring and you lose tons of useful information, but it's a cool experiment to see how much you get away with without ever knowing what they are saying.
(Commenting on "So what do you guys think about that? Obviously I got
pretty far. There's
got to be some negative sides to it, and I'm pretty sure you can point them
out...")
Two things can happen. 1) sometimes they catch on. I once told a chick that she could tell I was thinking about her when she heard a specific noise (that noise was me typing on my keyboard). She knew what I was doing and thought it was funny ("Are you typing?" I answered "whenever you hear that you can tell I'm thinking about you"), but she caught on and now I have to pay attention and tell her stuff about me :-) BTW, this is actually a very intelligent woman, before you get any ideas to the contrary. 2) If you do too much of this, a lot of times you will get resistance right as things get serious sexually. It's almost like they do a quick reset and realize that they really don't know anything about you. This is where patterning comes in...
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Craig:
I would like to give you some recommendations and testimonials for your fantastic
newsletter. You can make amazon links (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/nositeihaveap-20
For those in the U.K., this should work: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=cliffslist-21&site=amazon)
to these books, with my highest recommendation.
Leil Lowndes Talking the Winners Way.
I have been telling you guys about this book for years, and for good reason.
If you want women to come to you, which for me is the ultimate goal of PUA,
you must project a powerful and confident image. This book will show you how.
David Lieberman Get Anyone to Do Anything, and Never Feel Powerless Again.
This book hits on so many powerful alphamale traits and tactics that it is impossible
to pick them up in one read. His points on relationships are phenomenal and
spot on with what I have learned from the best naturals around.
David DeAngelo / Sisonpyh Double Your Dating (http://www.doubleyourdating.com/cl/).
I LOVE and HATE this book. Why do I love it? Because this book has saved me
more time than anything else I have ever read in my LIFE! I am an experienced
PUA, and with that comes an unbelievable amount of guys asking you for advice
on everything! Anyone who has been in this game as long as I have knows that
when you are starting from scratch there is a fuckin' UNBELIEVABLE amount of
knowledge that is REQUIRED to be successful with women. Everything from what
to wear, say and do, how to kiss, hug and fuck, and when to call, approach and
EJECT! It is impossible to explain these principles to someone in one sitting,
and I don't have time to train someone every day until they get it. I used to
feel bad, because I remember how hard it was for me when I was an AFC, but now
I have a solution for these soon to be womanizers. Now, when someone asks me
"How do you do it?" I tell them to READ THIS FUCKIN' BOOK! Never in
my life did I expect to find such a comprehensive guide to womanizing as "Double
Your Dating". Why do I HATE this book? David, where were you 4 years ago
when I got into this game? I spent YEARS weeding through ASF, reading bullshit
success stories, and trying to memorize patterns. I had plenty of successes
along the way, but all the while my head was spinning, wondering what was the
best system or the best technique or the best line. The reason I love this book
is because it isn't about learning some new techniques or some new patterns,
it is about learning to be a NATURAL, which is what I have strived for all along.
I also believe that this is the only seduction book on the market (with the
exception of Mystery's upcoming book) which would be of any benefit to those
with experience in this game, because it has helped me work at a few bugs and
fine tune my style to become UNSTOPPABLE! I have yet to meet David in person,
but I have seen his current GF (Surprise!
Surprise!...Small world David!) and she is drop dead gorgeous, so I know that
he practices his preachings.
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Stephanie:
(Commenting on Clifford "I had a date last Monday night that ended up just
being "nice"
conversation. I was mad at myself about it and I wrote the girl the following
"I realize that I had gotten up at 4:00 a.m. to wake up my friend so that
he would make his plane, then I hit the gym at 6:00 a.m., and then I was in
the office from about 8:20 a.m. to 6:00 p.m., on top of having run around all
weekend showing my friend the city (Note to readers - that was NightLight9),
so perhaps I was more tired than I thought and wasn't thinking clearly when
we got together that night.
It all got off on the wrong start when you came in to my apartment and I accepted
to kiss you on the cheek. Hey, this was not a first date (or a sterile meeting
of two friends, which is what it turned out to be) but should have been an opportunity
to reconnect with an almost lover who reentered my life to fulfill what had
been postponed due to illness. I want to apologize for not taking you in my
arms and kissing you passionately when you came into the apartment. I realize
that this was all my fault and that set the tone for a bland evening.
Now clearly we haven't been intimate for awhile but my thoughts about you are
essentially the same. I would not be surprised that after my lackluster performance
on Monday that you have put me in that category of "friend", and if
that is the case then perhaps you can introduce me to someone like you, attractive,
intelligent, and fun to be with. Otherwise, I have enough friends. If, however,
we can try and forget about Monday (it's been a terrible week all around) and
pick up where this should be, you can invite me to visit your new apartment
Tuesday evening at 8 p.m." What do you think?"):
As far as your date goes, I have a couple of questions.
First do you really like her?
Second does she appear to be a potential girlfriend?
Has she responded to you yet? Are you getting together tonight? I guess my impressions
of what you described below are one of two things, depending on how you respond
to my two questions above. Either you really like her and are trying very hard
to impress her with your interest or you are being overly analytical about the
situation (perhaps more focused on the techniques and learning) than really
getting to know her as a person. If she gets together with you then she either
really likes you or is desperate.
If she does not get together with you, I would have to say that if I spent an
evening with a guy and have an average time and feel he is a decent enough guy
there is a pretty good chance I will go out with him a second time (not all
women would agree and some are very tough on average first dates, but I am not
of the same mind). Your email below would have made me decide against it. I
would think you were reading way too much into it and if you really wanted to
say all of this to me it would have been better received at the end of the date,
rather than the next day when you have had time to think and write your master
piece spending way too much time thinking about the forgettable date. That is
a red flag for scary, clingy, desperate and weird. You don't want to come across
that way. I don't know how much things differ dating wise there from here, but
guys play it much cooler than that usually and when they don't they are usually
freaks. Again though if you started a really open heart to heart conversation
with me about it I would have thought we were being real and on the level, since
there was no reflection or prep time. What the guys in your newsletter don't
seem to get is that slight manipulation is one thing, but flat out deception
is not right. We all play little games in the matter of love, but becoming someone
you have no ability to be does not work. I am all for improving ourselves, but
we need to also remember to be realistic with our limitations.
Cliff's Comment Two things - one she responded with a rather cold short email
saying that
she couldn't on Tuesday and that she would get back to me. The other is that
this was far from a
first date, as we had gotten together 3-4 times about a year ago and had made
out fairly significantly.
If not for her getting sick, the deal would have been closed back then. As far
as my "really" liking her, I
did like her, but she was just not affectionate or as warm that night as she
had been before and that affects how I feel.
I think I made it clear that if she didn't want to be intimate with me, that
I was not going to pursue the relationship -- so I am not sure how you see this
as "scary, clingy, desperate and weird." I thought I was "refreshingly
honest" with her with that email, but you never know how another person
will see what you see.
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Stephane:
My GF said something interesting to me tonight. She loves reminiscing about
the day I sarged her, and said that there’s one thing I did during that
sarge that really won her over, and made it impossible for her to forget me.
I sarged her at the bookstore, initially, and when I tried to close her, she told me that she lives with her boyfriend of two years (heh…as if that’s gonna stop me). I hit her with the ‘is he with you in the way you truly want him to be?’ (Thanks RJ) and she hesitated, and said that he wasn’t. I told her that breaking up marriages wasn’t my thing, and as I wrote down my phone number, I said this
“I know that there are things that you like about your BF and things you could definitely do without. And I don’t know about YOU, but when it comes to being in a RELATIONSHIP, I want all of MY desires to be fulfilled. I don’t want to grow OLD with someone only to RESENT THEM because they couldn’t give me everything that I needed. AND NEITHER DO YOU. If your BF isn’t EVERYTHING you’ve ALWAYS WANTED in a man, then you OWE it to yourself, and you OWE it to HIM to leave. And in fact, now that we’ve briefly had a chance to connect with each other, I have a feeling that you’re going to remember me. And every time your boyfriend makes you feel bad, every time you feel dissatisfied, every time that you feel annoyed by him, every time that you feel like there’s something in life that you’re missing out on, I want you to see an image of ME in your mind. That’s right. You’re going to see a big, bright image of me pointing and laughing at you. Because I laugh at anyone who doesn’t realize that you owe it to yourself to be in a relationship that truly fulfills you.”
She ended up calling me 6-8 weeks after I said this to tell me that she dumped him, moved out, and I am the only person that she can ‘truly’ talk to! I was amazed.
Anyway, I’ve been seeing her for about 3 months now, and she remembers word for word what I said to her that day.
She is proving to be a great little girlfriend and is coming along great in the Steph Training Program. I tell my girlfriends about the Steph Training Program, and they think that is so cute. If you would like to hear more about the STP (hehe), let me know. It’s no big deal, actually, but it’s a lot of fun, and step 5 is where she has to design her own Training Program for me.
This brings me to a belief that I would like to reframe that a lot of us have been taught. I read a Barbera DeAngelis book that said you should never try to change your partner, and just accept them as they are. Now, I like Barb, respect her work, and would definitely do her! But this is wrong, in my opinion.
Why date someone if you can’t influence each other? My GF’s learn a lot from me and I learn from them. I want them to change me and challenge me and I do the same for them. In fact, I try to change everybody I come in contact with. If I meet you, I want you to leave better off than you were before. Otherwise, why communicate?
(Separate comments by Stephane)
Someone recently sent me an email saying really nice things about my posts and
asking for some advice on state-management. My advice is nothing new, but perhaps
the words I chose to use will enlighten some of you on this list.
(Commenting on: "I've been practicing my walkups vigorously, in fact did
7 of them fuckers on
Sunday. Although none were successful, I knew the problem... I was like uh..
uh... couldn't think of shit for patterns to say... conversations were ok at
the beginning but dried up quickly since I was so fucking nervous and tired
I guess. Question how do you keep your state when you first start off?"):
What you focus on will control your state.
I'm going to try and keep this advice as unique as possible. Cause I know you've heard ALLLL about advice such as 'memorize the patterns better' and 'don't make such a big deal out of it', and 'stop caring so much', and 'see it as an opportunity for her to show you what she is about', which is my favorite.
I know that you know that the way you perceive 'the walkup' or 'sarge' will result in your feelings about it, and is responsible for your state during the pickup.
Now the following is how I used to view 'The Pickup' shortly after I discovered SS. Perhaps you can relate to this. I saw it as a three-step process
1- The initial approach ("You are so...absolutely breathtaking and I really
wanted to....").
2- The hypnosis (Running a few patterns to create attraction).
3- The Close.
Whenever I thought about a walkup, these three things came together in my mind as a short movie. At first, when I would see an HB, I would run this movie in my head and see myself blowing it at one or all of these three stages. My strategy was simple I wanted to run through all the worst-case scenarios in order to 'prepare' myself, so I would know what to say if she did this, or if she said that.
I think that this is what 80 to 90% of guys do. Obviously, this strategy sucks, cause I was planning to fail. I was doing WAAAAY too much, way too soon. So, I decided to do the opposite. Makes sense, right?
So THEN, I got to the point where I would spot an HB, and generate my little internal movie, only now I was generating GOOD pictures. It wasn't a war movie, it was a work of art! I taught myself to see myself walking over there, flawlessly executing my initial approach, I could see the delight on her face, the intense eye contact, the soft brush of the lips....you get the point. I thought I was cured! After all, I felt much better and was more easily able to walk up to HB's.
But there was something missing. For some reason, I was still nervous, in SPITE of the good internal computations. As an NLPer would say, I had my submodalities down pat. I had a positive strategy.
I still don't claim to be 'there' yet, but the following has helped me tremendously. I haven't solved the puzzle of maintaining unstoppable confidence, but I'm CLOSE.
What I've been trying to do (it's so hard to break such ingrained habits!!) is to simply STAY IN UP TIME. That’s NLP lingo for keeping your awareness on the outside. It's hard to do, especially at first, but this is the best strategy I have found so far. I know Ross recommends singing cartoon theme songs in your head before you approach, and it works for pumping yourself up BEFORE you approach, but WHILE I was sarging, the nervous feelings always snuck back in. So here is the simple solution that I found
TRUE FREEDOM is the total lack of concern about yourself, and ONLY concern about other people. Re-read that again!
The only way that you can be shy and nervous is to be SELF-CONSCIOUS. Instead, what would happen if you suddenly lost the ability to think about YOU? If every time you went to make a picture of yourself internally, your awareness automatically went FFFT to the OUTSIDE. Where the more you try to hear your internal dialogue, the more you become aware of the HB in front of you. Re-read that again, too!
You've got a beautiful HB in front of you. How do you stay calm? Stay outside and keep 100% of your awareness on her. I know I know...easier said than done.
Record something on TV that has a gorgeous HB talking about something that is important to her. Now practice JUST listening to her. No thinking about what you're gonna say next, no thinking about the way your hair is placed, the way your voice sounds, or what was that pattern, anyway??
As I am doing this and staying completely outside, I'm trying to find out who she is so I can decide if I want to close her or not. And if I WANT to close her (90% of the time I don't), you better believe I'm gonna try!
In this UP TIME state, I am just completely free and flying by the seat of my pants. Hopefully, she will like my pants, but I'm not going to think about THAT until later!
Now, alot of people told me to just stop caring so much. Somehow, not caring doesn't appeal to my inner nature. I've always thought about myself as a caring person!
But now I get it. I finally get it. What they meant was to stop focusing my attention on ME, and put it strictly on HER.
Anyway, I've been doing this for over a month now and it has helped me tremendously. I never would have been able to perform those ‘sarges’ that you referenced earlier without my newfound UP TIME strategy. I'm not fully there YET I'm close. And the patterns? They just SHOOT right out! And they are MY patterns. I talk about her, and relationships, and things that feel good. In this state, I am able to spin patterns on the fly, and I’m getting really good at being descriptive AND vague enough so that she can fill in the blanks for herself. Maybe this is what those well-meaning people meant when they said BE YOURSELF.
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Mark B.:
This is not the most relevant piece on seduction but in the context of our discussions
of suggestion, giving commands and being in control I think it applies.
Last night I bring back to my place one of my black dancer friends for a little
session of crazy banging. After about 45 minutes of non stop action, I had her
on her back with her lower back on a pillow below her, with my forearms holding
her legs up in the air by the back of her knees. I say to her "You know
you have always been able to have a very powerful orgasm in this position".
Literally 4 seconds later she came and squirted about 2 feet across the bed.
I thought "this is great, let me see how far I can take this." So
I said to her "Wow, you can easily find yourself cumming like that again".
Boom, within 3 seconds she came again and once again squirted about 2 feet across
the bed. The reason I saw it was two feet was that I had to pull out of her
because being on her back she twisted her legs and went into a convulsion as
she came making it impossible for me to stay inside her, hence the two foot
squirt, some of which ended up on me.
Then after about 15 seconds she calmed down and I once again said to her "You
can do this again easily" and again within seconds she squirted again.
She did this a total of four times. Now she has had multiple orgasms before
with me but never in such quick succession and with such intensity.
After I took her home and on her way out of the car she was just about to shut
the car door when she opened it again, looked back and said "Mark, I want
to tell you something", I said "What do you want to tell me"
She says "I love you". This is a woman who has never told me she loves
me nor do we date or anything of that nature. We just get together once in a
while for some banging. Interesting eh?
(Separate comments from Mark)
Last night I was talking to my statuesque blonde (SB) on the phone that I met
a few weeks earlier at a bar outside of Toronto. I described my experience with
her and how I picked her up back in "I have to go home and play" post.
Here are some interesting tidbits from our conversation that lasted 2 1/2 hours.
We were in discussion about how men are afraid to express their desire for a
woman and I say to her
Me: "You know many men are afraid of saying something like 'I would like
to make passionate love to you all night long, go down on you and make you cum
all over yourself"
SB: "Wow, that is amazing Mark"
Later on I said to her:
Me: "The key to a good relationship is where the man can make you feel
really good inside"
SB: "Mark, stop saying that. You have no idea how that makes me feel inside
right now"
Then we were discussing who should make the first move when making love.
Me: "I think it's the man's responsibility to make the first move"
SB: "Me including most of friends like to be sexually dominated by a man
and have him make the move. When a man is sexually dominating that is the ultimate
turn on for me and most of my female friends. It's a huge turn off for a man
that does not take the initiative" Hint, hint, hint.
Then we made plans for next weekend and she says: SB: "Mark, we talked
about a lot of things. When we get together we will have nothing to talk about"
Me thinking "She probably just wants to fuck since we got most of the talking
out of the way"
I said "Well, there are many things we can do besides talking. we'll figure
it out when we see each other".
She is 34 years old, bleach blonde, firm high and tight breasts (surely implants),
tight ass and legs, she said she works out 4 times per week and walks a lot,
looks like a porn star.
In addition throughout the conversation I purposely often changed topics and
expressed my opinion even though at times it was differing from hers. I mismatched
a lot and interrupted her frequently basically dominating the topics of the
conversation but I let her do most of the talking though. She did not want to
get off the phone and near the end she told me how she likes to be taken sexually.
She also said that she gets approached by many good looking guys but the minute
they open their mouth if nothing intelligible comes out she is turned off right
away. So the key here appears being able to express yourself somewhat intelligently
to women while holding control of the conversation and holding your own opinions
despite what women may think. The latter point she said makes a man really attractive
to her and most of her girlfriends. It's funny how many times we supplicate
and act agreeable at our peril thinking that being agreeable makes us more attractive.
Nothing could be more erroneous. Heed these experiences gentlemen, prosper and
get laid.
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MTL_PUA:
MTL_PUA's thoughts on the NYC situation Unfortunately, tragedy struck NYC last
week. I would like to take this opportunity to offer my deepest regrets to all
that have been touched by the actions of a few demented people. I would also
like to extend an invitation to all of you who need a change of pace or need
to get away from NYC for a little while. Myself, and the rest of the Montreal
crew (I am sure) would welcome you up here with open arms.
MTL_PUA on the Textbook PU (cont'd):
Now for my part on the Textbook PU; This has been posted to Mystery's Lounge
but I thought some of you might get a kick out of the reading the follow up
here. I am going to insert comments and make this an interactive story so you
all know how the night went simultaneously
(Commenting on NightLight9: "MTL_PUA says “Let’s go.” I say “Hold on. Let’s see where they settle” (They just got a drink, so if we walk over there now and we get there right as they turn to leave, our opener is blown, dead before we even start). They walk to other side of the bar, so MTL and sarge I way over, but theirs nothing interesting to talk to, so move pretty quickly."):
This proved to be important. If we would have approached right away, they would have walked off ASAP.
(Commenting on NightLight9: "MTL_PUA and I are in a great playful and
happy mood. We walk up and I do the 15 minute opener.
NL9 Are you girls really shy or something? <pause> HBs No… <laughing
but confused>
NL9 We’ve been here almost 15 minutes and you haven’t even said hello."):
If you use this opener, wing can do a quick follow-up to the opener. I used the" Yeah seriously! Not a wink, not a wave or even a hand signal ~LOL~ what's up with you?
(Commenting on NightLight9: "At this point MTL_PUA does a great special
positioning move. When we walked up, we were obviously next to each other, with
me a little to the front. MTL moves himself to the left to engage HBArt and
starts to spin their group of two so we have instant separation.
PUA HB
PUA HB
Becomes
HB PUA
PUA HB"):
This is CRUCIAL in all standing position PU's with wing on a 2 set. You want to isolate them ASAP, and since you are standing, it kind of becomes natural. It works as the HB PUA PUA HB setting prevent them from talking to each other immediately, so you become the focus of her attention.
(Commenting on NightLight9: "MTL puts his arm, fist out towards me at about 6 inches higher then my head (expecting me to finish the fist equivalent of a high 5, by doing the same). I do and as I do it, I say."):
Always works. Stick your fist out and say "Don't leave me hanging on this!" Let them knock your fist with theirs. It's a sign of acceptance and creates an immediate bond. I have used this with HB9/10's and it lowers their bitch shield fairly fast. No one ever does this to hot women. Use it and abuse it.
(Commenting on NightLight9: "Everyone was laughing again and because of MTL great movement, we’re already in natural position to separate. From this point on, I’m just working with my chick and he with his."):
I took this one step further at this point.
I started convo and ask the basic questions, the actor question, etc... She
says she & her friend are from Toronto, studying Art, bla bla bla. Find
out she loves theatre, so I go into the "loved the Lion King on Broadway"
(everyone loves the Lion King; if they have not seen the play they loved the
movie; especially chycks; they find it cute). This one is great with art chicks
goes like this:
Have you seen the Lion King? NO???? God, you call you self an art student?~LOL~ It's really awesome. If there is one thing you need to do before you die <sp> it's to see the Lion King. It's awesome! You go in not expecting too much out of it but you end up loving what you see <point @ her; lightly touch arm.
While NL9 is doing his thing, I decide to get us drinks. I go up to the bar, and wait for 2 minutes. See my girl standing there alone, looking somewhat lost, and I can see that she wants to move into the convo NL9 is having with his girl. I just go up to her, grab both her hands, put them on my shoulders back facing towards her and have her follow me the few steps to the bar. I order 2 drinks, and as I turn around. I can see her extending her hand for the drink (I bought it for NL9 actually), so I just go see NL9 right away and give it to him. I turn around and she has that "I can't believe you!!!" look on her face. Total break state.
(Commenting on NightLight9: "Next I go into what I call my Hitting On Me Connection Pattern."):
This is pure gold. If there is 1 pattern you need to know, it's this one!
(Commenting on NightLight9: "I pattern on opportunity but, the people near us are constantly giving cheers really loudly and doing shots. It’s a big group and they are breaking her trance a little. So when I get to the end about how you can seize opportunity right as they get loud, and I say “or you can just get just get drunk and make a fool of your self“ and point at the group. Then I say, “but you can do what ever you want if you want to."):
This rowdy crowd was fucking up our game. I just asked my chyck what she though
of them, and she says that they are a bit too rowdy for her liking.
"Yeah! I know what you mean. Those people are here every week getting wasted
(I have no idea ~LOL~ I am playing the "local boy" card here). I wonder
if they are gay; I have never seen them show interest in women.
~LOL~ That did it.
(Commenting on NightLight9: "At this point, I figure it’s time to
get what I came here for, so I kiss her. She doesn’t move in to much, but
she doesn’t pull away. It’s a just a small kiss on the lips. Wait
a few seconds and kiss her again.
It’s better this time, but still not really passionate. She is definitely
into me, but still young and nervous."):
A few minutes before that, I saw NL9 was getting some good rapport, and I was not doing too bad myself; I figure it's time to separate the group into 2 sections so we can work independently of each other. Tell my HB that we are going to the terrace (downstairs) to get some fresh air.
(Commenting on NightLight9: "NL9 Lets go upstairs to the terrace.
HBB OK. <but I can see she is nervous about her friend I find out why later>
So I ignore her agreement I swear MTL are sharing a brain, because his chick
goes, “lets go upstairs.” So I know he just asked her the same thing
-) MTL is obviously rocking too. They head towards the front of the bar, where
the stairs are. Oddly MTL and his HB head to the terrace there, but I take my
chick upstairs as planed. When we get up there, she notices they aren’t
there. She isn’t freaking out, but I can tell she’s not comfortable."):
I had to pull this move. If we got them back together, it would be hard to get back to them looking at us like DDB (doggy dinner bowl).
(Commenting on NightLight9: "HBB Where did my friend go?
NL9 I don’t know, but I’m sure that she’s with MTL and he would
never leave me. <I later found out that MTL had the exact same resistance
and use the exact same line We are talking some serious psychic friends’
network shit as we both just came up with this reframe on the fly> "):
Hehe. This was good. I knew you were going to do this. That was weird.
Every time you split 2 chicks up, you will face the question of Where did my
friend go? Where is she? What is she doing? What they are basically looking
for is approval that what they are doing is OK. I just tell her that she is
with NL9 and there is NO WAY that my bro would leave me stranded here alone
with a woman I just met ~LOL~
(Commenting on NightLight9: "I can tell she needs a gf check in, so I
say “lets go find them.”
We go down stairs, and I take her right to them. She asks her friend if she
is ok and she definitely is -) So we go back upstairs."):
This was good. Acceptance. She is OK, and seems to be having a good time.
Let me go back to this interesting and uncommon guy (NL9 is quite the character
~LOL~). If you do NOT let them check in on each other, you will be labeled as
"pushy" and "inconsiderate". So while NL9 was upstairs,
I do my thing on the terrace downstairs. I run into a girl I used to work with
and we chat for a bit. This chyck blushes at ANYTHING, so I make it seem as
though I am lightly flirting with her. Come back to my artsy chyck and I pull
a bit of "ash magic" on her (little trick I picked up from Phoenix
HB's from 2 weeks ago). She is charmed completely. We look at Montreal, I ask
about how she likes the city, and obviously get a good response. I cube her.
This whole time there is LITTLE KINO as we are sitting facing each other. I
just touch her hand every time I make her laugh (relevant later).
Here I fuck up. NL9 once told me that if you get EC with a chyck for 3 seconds
or more after you have been talking to her for awhile, you should kiss. I got
EC but did NOT move in.
(Commenting on NightLight9: "MTL_PUA and his chick appear and MTL_PUA starts dancing with his chick. I ask mine if she wants to dance too and I can tell she is nervous about performing in front me. She says “before when I said I knew the meringue, I was lying” <weird. This is huge tip off that she has been trying to impress me. I should have patterned on honest “you know when you were little and they told you telling the truth after you did something wrong was good”, but I was getting very tired and not thinking that clearly.>"):
This was totally fucking money. All of the people on the terrace upstairs are
looking at both of us.
Here is what is weird. Her shield (ASD) goes up from one minute to the next.
As I am dancing with her, she tells me that she met some guy the night before
and he was expecting something at the end of the night and he was pushy but
she was only looking to have a good time outside the bedroom.
This was weird 'cuz it caught me off guard.
ME You don't have to worry about that with me. I believe people should follow
their heart in whatever they want to do, and I am following my heart just dancing
with you. Relax. Besides, I don't think you kiss that well, either :-P
This gets a huge smile out of her, and I am somewhat unbalanced.
HER What makes you think I don't kiss well????
ME (playfully) I told you; you're WAY TOO SHY, and you don't follow your heart
enough. You'd probably be trying to figure out how much pressure you should
apply to my lips ~LOL~
HER I WOULD NOT!!!! I kiss VERY well!
ME Whatever!
I leave it at that, and dance some more, etc... I know she is thinking "Why
did he say I do not kiss well???"
(Commenting on: "It’s getting late, we take a few pics and I say lets get out of here. Everyone agrees and then girls go to the bathroom for a gf check in. MTL_PUA tells me his chick has a bf, but it’s clear she doesn’t like him, just having a bf. The bouncer comes to get us to leave and girls walk out. They have big smiles, so I know we’re in."):
I did not say she had a BF, just that I THINK she has a BF. I did not bring it up in any way whatsoever. I let them ask me first; ALWAYS. I know she has something for me, and something was holding her back. My GUESS was the BF, but I did not want to bring it up until she did.
(Commenting on: "We leave the bar, much kino and start walking. We walk a while and decide to get a cab. I’ve reached the point where my tired ness is preventing me from being very effective. On the cab ride I’m just not on and because only 3 of us sit in the back seat MTL doesn’t have good access to his chick."):
This is where I find out she has a BF. We are walking in front of NL9 and his
chick, I grab her hand and hold it (I can see her smile/laugh...this is a direct
result from the terrace light kino) and she asks me if I have a GF. I say no
and ask her back. She says she has a BF. She asks how come I do not have a GF
and I just tell her that I have not found that ONE PERSON THAT MAKES ME FEEL
like committing to a relationship. I run a quickie on her You know what I mean?
That ONE PERSON you KNOW you CAN TRUST and have a GREAT BOND with? <sp>
She answers NO. I have NOT met that person until.... <she stops>.
I should have followed up on that. I am certain her next words were going to
be tonight. Immediately, I know I am in. If the BF is not the ideal man, then
I am.
(Commenting on: "We get there and we blow the fuck close because I’m
so tired and I say, “lets go up stairs.” which would be fine with
22 year olds but young girls don’t know how to manage this situation. My
girl wants to go, but I can tell she’s nervous about her friends BF even
though it’s clear she wants to go up too. MTL_PUA's chick says it’s
up to you, to my chick, who hesitates a few seconds teetering and says “maybe
we better not”. Fuck, blew the close!!! We make out hard core for a few
minutes in the lobby with other people in the room, and MTL is kissing his chick
right there too, but it’s clear they are going up without us.
The next morning I wake up like a bolt and all I can think is, “We can
only come up for few minutes.” “We can only come up for few minutes.”
“We can only come up for few minutes.” Live and learn."):
Yes, gentlemen, we blew the close. Got a *close, BUT we did not fuck them.
Why? I KNOW NL9's chick wanted him to come up. HOWEVER, his chick was thinking
"my friend has BF". I was not next to mine in the cab, and by the
time we got to the hotel, she was NOT in that trance mode anymore, with not
enough time to re-engage. This sucked BIG TIME.
The alternative close would have been better as it is not an imposition; rather,
it's an assumption that we will go up for a few minutes and chill out. This
would have had a living chance, at least.
(Commenting on: "I want to thank Clifford, Dwayne, Tristan, Alex and MTL_PUA for the great time I had in Montreal. Hanging with you guys and seeing all your different styles, really helped my game. Cliffy, you rock, but then, you already knew that..."):
It was awesome having you up here. I learned quite a bit from you, and I even
tested out Bridal Tactics last night ~LOL~. It was indeed a good sarge and we
WILL make up for the fuckup. No problem. Otherwise, I am sure there is plenty
of other hotties just waiting to get some.
In retrospect, the PU was very good and I am getting that feeling that when
we see them again, it's a sure thing as long as we do the proper retrospect/remember
Montreal work. The pictures of this escapade are in Mystery's Lounge under TOM
PIX, and NL9 posted them too.
Regardless of the non-close the important thing is that I HAD A BLAST sarging.
And Cliffy, you know you rock the house ~LOL~.
MTL_PUA on a follow-up to last weekend giving you all the 411 on a follow-up
to a successful sarge
Let me make a long story short NL9, Cliffy and myself were at a local bar on
St-Laurent 2 Fridays ago, and we approached a 3 set. While I was working on
my target, Cliff and NL9 were nice enough to jump on the grenade with the two
other ladies, who would have inevitably been CB's. I got the # and left to go
sarge some more.
This girl was extremely fun and a good conversationalist; that's what kept me
there to start off with. She came off as someone who does not play mind games,
and is genuinely nice to people. It's great to meet someone like that once in
awhile.
I saw her again 2 days after and *closed before meeting up with Cliff and NL9.
I was to go to her place on Monday but it did not happen as I got held up at
work. She called me on Tuesday and gave me shit. In light of what had happened
in NYC (I had 2 friends working in the WTC that day; both are OK now) I was
NOT in the mood for BS so I just told her to drop it, and let her go expecting
nothing more out of the situation.
FFWD to the following Saturday:
I saw HB again last night. I met up with her after she called me on Friday night;
she asked me if I was busy on Saturday, and I said that I was.
However, I could meet up with her at 7:30 PM for a drink somewhere downtown.
7:30 comes and we meet up. Get good convo going, but little kino because of
the seating arrangements. A few interesting things came out of the initial convo.
1) She kept talking about sex, but stressing that she does not sleep with men
right away. She went to the extreme by saying "Tom, if you think you are
going to sleep with me tonight, I would definitely tell you to forget it."
Cliff's Comment: While I personally haven't mastered the tactics to convert this to the close, I have it on very good authority that after a woman says this to you, this is almost an absolute certainty that you now have a confirmation that she will sleep with you that night.
MTL_PUA Continues: 2) She told me that she was reluctant to meet with me a
second time because of my age (her 26; me 22) 3) She asked me if I was the type
of guy to flirt a lot when I get into a relationship
4) She was totally amazed at what I do for a living and for fun.
Because I am not getting any kino opportunity and the place is starting to get
crowded, we get to another bar, and I tip the guy at the door to get us onto
a couch, where kino will be easy to do.
just on a side note I am actually interested by this girl. I haven't had someone
get me curious about them for a long time now : ) We talk some more, and she
hits on a topic that allows me to go through a modified age regression scenario
(my first success with it). I ask her what she would like to re-do in her life,
where she stands now, and where she expects to be in 5 years. I then tell her
to close her eyes, and gently put my hand on her cheek. I just tell her this:
"Imagine that you wake up at 30 years old, you got to the office where
you have a secretary bring you coffee. You sit down at your desk, and get a
call from a good prospect that informs you that the $2 million deal you were
working on has been approved and they want to move forward with the advertising
campaign (she loves marketing). You get out of the office at lunch and hop into
your Audi (her favorite car) and drive to a trendy restaurant where you meet
a friend. You go back to the office and follow up with a perfect presentation
to the board of directors. You get out of the office at 4:00 PM and go back
to your home, park your car in the double-driveway and go up the stairs where
you are greeted by the love of your life (what she wants more than anything).
And then it hits you like a ton of bricks: Had you not been surrounded by the
right people 5 years ago, this would not have happened. Had you not followed
your heart back then you would not have this level of happiness. Had you not
worked hard then, you would not be here now. Had you not kissed the right person
back then, you would not be here now. Follow your heart and you will attain
all of your goals."
I tell her to open her eyes and she has that "that was incredible!"
look on her face. She proceeds telling me that NO ONE she ever met has brought
her to the level before. Somehow, just this little bit told me that I was in.
She was totally into me now. * closed her (again) and we ended up back at her
place fooling around for a little while, before I had to leave to meet some
friends (friends before women, always!). While I did not hit a home run this
time around, I really did not care. It was one of those deep realizations that
all of this theory is finally getting embedded into my style.
A few realizations:
1) What chicks say and what they do are completely different. I had not experienced
this to this level before. This girl was OBSESSED by letting me know that nothing
would happen. Now I know.
2) It seems that age regression works much better with women that have a lower
level of self-esteem. I have tried this with "happy-go-lucky" girls
without much success, because they have no regrets. This is valuable information,
as this is something you can see right off the bat with women.
All in all this was interesting. I got a call from her today asking me to re-consider
the dinner at her place. We agreed on Tuesday evening. Should prove for a fun
evening.
MTL_PUA on NL9's comments:
I've seen MTL-PUA in action and one thing he does really well is not apologize.
For instance, if he says "What's your name" and she doesn't hear him
and says "What?", he says "Your name... You do have a name, right?"
like she's being the asshole. The funny thing is, he does it with the slightest
smile, and they love it. That's one thing I'm really trying to incorporate into
my game.
I don't feel the need to apologize to women I just meet on the fly. Why do
people gather in crowded bars? Why do women and men go through the trouble of
dressing up, putting on perfume/cologne, and looking their best? So they can
go out and NOT meet interesting people? HELL NO! The underlying principle I
follow is that everyone is up for meeting people, and I set the tone for letting
them let someone interesting into their lives. If they don't, too bad. Women
who are too uptight are just no fun. They like to be in the spotlight? GREAT!
Let's aim that spot RIGHT AT THEM. Let them be the center of attention for a
few minutes; and take it all away afterwards :-) That's the way it's done. I
don't owe people an apology for trying to get to know them. They owe ME ONE
for not letting me into their lives. 'Nuff said!
No name? No problem; I'll call you #1 and you #2 and you #3.
No immediate interest? Just tell them they are BORING. They WILL cheer up; otherwise,
eject as they are NOT worth knowing.
MTL_PUA commenting on Mystery:
(ADMIRE = "Good for you."
ENVY = "Damn I wish I had that.")
Couldn't of have put it better myself. These are wise words. Keep them in mind
EVERY TIME you utter words and it will prove beneficial to your game.
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PRODUCTS AND LINKS (There's some NEW STUFF in here, and I will try and put something new in here as often as possible):
For those of you who are just reading about this for the first time, I decided
a couple of emails ago to add links to these emails. The idea would be to get
enough money in to hire someone to take over the administrative work (and also
to buy things which would improve this list, such as proper mailing list software)
for this list. If you were going to buy the product anyway, just use the link
that appears below and you are helping to keep this list going at no extra cost
to anyone.
NON SEDUCTION-RELATED SITES
One of the more useful links I have set up is to amazon.com -- I know I buy
a lot from them and I am sure that many of you also do. So I arranged a link
with them and you can now buy from them and help out this email newsletter at
the same time. If anyone has any other suggestions of sites that would be a
good one for me to set up a link to, please let me know.
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Comments on this product from Tony B.:
I thought I might drop you a quick line regarding some of the more popular sites
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HYPNO-TECH Here's another one which I think has been reviewed here in the past
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FREE PLUGS
The following are all recommended but clicking on the links and buying from
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your way with people and getting them to see things your way.
Get on Mystery's Lounge - send him an email at [email protected] with
REQUEST MEMBERSHIP in the subject line. Include your REAL name, your experience,
background in the PUA, some online PUA's who can vouch for you (references),
and a real pic of yourself. If you do not wish to give this REAL information,
don't join. Only the PRO's are in there anyways - we discuss lots of stuff but
it's the REAL pix of our conquests and the fact that we don't HIDE who we are
to each other that makes it appealing. MANY of the members Mystery has personally
sarged with. The rule is simple don't fuck up anyone's game. If you can abide
by that and have a track record for contributing, then that's basically good
as gold. Pix are a requirement, however. The Lounge is in many ways an EXTENSION
of Cliff's List and is not an alternative. You don't have to be a PRO, but you
MUST play the game. If you are only WANTING to ONE DAY chase skirts, please
don't bother joining.
Mystery is now offering his in-field Mystery Method (MM) BASIC TRAINING workshop
in several cities. Click http://mysterymethod.1avenue.com/ for more information,
workshop locations, dates & to sign up.
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