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John Forbes Kerry
is a
"Sunshine Patriot"
(and I'm ashamed to say a Massachusetts Senator)
[seeking to run for PRESIDENT - AMERICA's Highest Office - in 2004]



Who were still

- LOSING the "other war" -

Due to the ANTI "VIETNAM" WAR actions
of the many in America such as these two pictured below.

KERRY can also be placed (figuratively)
in the same ANTI "VIETNAM" WAR gunner's seat
along with
as their
"messages (propoganda) and associations"
were one in the SAME !!!

although he would like everyone to BELIEVE that he does !!!
(Check his Senatorial VOTING record, as linked below)


From John Kerry's statement before the Senate Foreign
          Relations Committee, April 22, 1971.

I would like to say for the record, and for the men behind me who are also wearing the uniform and their medals, that my being here is really symbolic. I am not here as John Kerry, but as one member of a group of one thousand, which in turn is a small representation of a very much larger group of veterans in this country. Were it possible for all of them to sit at this table they would be here and present the same kind of testimony.

I would like to talk about the feelings these men carry with them after coming back from Vietnam. The country doesn't realize it yet but it has created a monster in the form of thousands of men who have been taught to deal and trade in violence and who are given the chance to die for the biggest nothing in history -- men who have returned with a sense of anger and betrayal that no one so far has been able to grasp. We are angry because we feel we have been used in the worst fashion by the administration of this country.

In 1970 at West Point Vice President Agnew said "some glamorize the criminal misfits of society while our best men die in Asian rice paddies to preserve the freedom which most of those misfits abuse," and this was used as a rallying point for our effort in Vietnam. But for us, as boys in Asia whom the country was supposed to support, his statement is a terrible distortion from which we can only draw a very deep sense of revulsion, and hence the anger of some of the men who are here in Washington today. It is a distortion because we in no way consider ourselves the best men of this country; because those he calls misfits were standing up for us in a way that nobody else in this country dared to; because so many who have died would have returned to this country to join the misfits in their efforts to ask for an immediate withdrawal from South Vietnam; because so many of those best men have returned as quadriplegics and amputees -- and they lie forgotten in Veterans Administration hospitals in this country which fly the flag which so many have chosen as their own personal symbol -- and we cannot consider ourselves America's best men when we are ashamed of and hated for what we were called on to do in Southeast Asia.

In our opinion and from our experience, there is nothing in South Vietnam which could happen that realistically threatens the United States of America. And to attempt to justify the loss of one American life in Vietnam, Cambodia or Laos by linking such loss to the preservation of freedom, which those misfits supposedly abuse, is to us the height of criminal hypocrisy.

We are probably angriest about all that we were told about Vietnam and about the mystical war against communism. We found that not only was it a civil war, an effort by people who had for years been seeking their liberation from any colonial influence whatsoever, but also we found that the Vietnamese whom we had enthusiastically molded after our own image were hard put to take up the fight against the threat we were sup- posedly saving them from. We found most people didn't even know the difference between communism and democracy. They only wanted to work in rice paddies without helicopters strafing them and bombs with napalm burning their villages and tearing their country apart. . They practiced the art of survival by siding with whichever military force was present at a particular time, be it Viet Cong, North Vietnamese, or American.

We found that all too often American men were dying in those rice paddies for want of support from their allies. We saw firsthand how monies from American taxes were used for a corrupt dictatorial regime. We saw that many people in this country had a one-sided idea of who was kept free by our flag, and blacks provided the highest percentage of casualties. We saw Vietnam ravaged equally by American bombs and search- and-destroy missions, as well as by Viet Cong terrorism, and yet we listened while this country tried to blame all of the havoc on the Viet Cong. We rationalized destroying villages in order to save them. We saw America lose her sense of morality as she accepted very coolly a My Lai and refused to give up the image of American soldiers who hand out chocolate bars and chewing gum. We learned the meaning of free-fire zones. shooting anything that moves, and we watched while America placed a cheapness on the lives of Orientals.

We watched the United States' falsification of body counts, in fact the glorification of body counts. We listened while month after month we were told the back of the enemy is about to break. We fought [with] weapons against those people which I do not believe this country would dream of using were we fighting in the European theatre. We watched while men charged up hills because a general said that hill has to be taken, and after losing one platoon or two platoons, they marched away to leave the hill for reoccupation by the North Vietnamese. We watched pride allow the most unimportant battles to be blown into extravaganzas, because we couldn't lose, and we couldn't retreat, and because it didn't matter how many American bodies were lost to prove that point, and so there were Hamburger Hills and Khesahns and Hill 81s and Fire Base 6s, and so many others.

And now we are told that the men who fought there must watch quietly while American lives are lost so that we can exercise the incredible arrogance of Vietnamizing the Vietnamese. Each day to facilitate the process by which the United States washes her hands of Vietnam someone has to give up his life so that the United States doesn't have to admit something that the entire world already knows, so that we can't say that we have made a mistake. Someone has to die so that President Nixon won't be, and these are his words, "the first President to lose a war."

We are asking Americans to think about that because how do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam? How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake? But we are trying to do that, and we are doing it with thousands of ration- alizations, and if you read carefully the President's last speech to the people of this country, you can see that he says, and says clearly, "but the issue, gentlemen, the issue is communism, and the question is whether or not we will leave that country to the Communists or whether or not we will try to give it hope to be a free people." But the point is that they are not a free people now, and we cannot fight communism all over the world. I think we should have learned that lesson by now.

Suddenly we are faced with a very sickening situation in this country, because there is no moral indignation and, if there is, it comes from people who are almost exhausted by their past indignations. . . The country seems to have lain down and shrugged off something as serious as Laos, just as we calmly shrugged off the loss of 700,000 lives in Pakistan, the so-called greatest disaster of all times. But we are here as veterans to say we think we are in the midst of the greatest disaster of all times now, because they are still dying over there -- not just Americans but Vietnamese -- and we are rationalizing leaving that country so that those people can go on killing each other for years to come.

Americans seem to have accepted the idea that the war is winding down, at least for Americans, and they have also allowed the bodies which were once used by a President for statistics to prove that we were winning the war, to be used as evidence against a man who followed orders and who inter- preted those order no differently than hundreds of other men in Vietnam.

We veterans can only look with amazement on the fact that this country has been unable to see there is absolutely no difference between ground troops and a helicopter crew, and yet people have accepted a differentiation fed them by the administration. No ground troops are in Laos, so it is all right to kill Laotians by remote control. But believe me the helicopter crews fill the same body bags and they wreak the same kind of damage on the Vietnamese and Laotian country- side as anybody else, and the President is talking about allowing that to go on for many years to come. One can only ask if we will really be satisfied only when the troops march into Hanoi.

We are asking here in Washington for some action, action from the Congress of the United States of America, which has the power to raise and maintain armies, and which by the Constitution also has the power to declare war. We have come here, not to the President, because we believe that this body can be responsive to the will of the people, and we believe that the will of the people says that we should be out of Vietnam now.

We are here in Washington also to say that the problem of this war is not just a question of war and diplomacy. It is part and parcel of everything that we are trying as human beings to communicate to people in this country -- the question of racism, which is rampant in the military, and so many other questions such as the use of weapons; the hypocrisy in our taking umbrage in the Geneva Conventions and using that as justification for a continuation of this war when we are more guilty than any other body of violations of those Geneva Conventions; in the use of free-fire zones, harassment interdiction fire, search-and-destroy missions, the bombings, the torture of prisoners, the killing of prisoners, all accepted policy by many units in South Vietnam. That is what we are trying to say. We are also here to ask, and we are here to ask vehemently, where are the leaders of our country? Where is the leadership? We are here to ask where are McNamara, Rostow, Bundy, Johnson, and so man others? Where are they now that we, the men whom they sent off to war, have returned? These are commanders who have deserted their troops, and there is no more serious crime in the law of war. The Army says they never leave their wounded. The Marines say they never leave even their dead. These men have left all the casualties and retreated behind a pious shield of public rectitude. They have left the real stuff of their reputa- tions bleaching behind them in the sun.

Finally, this administration has done us the ultimate dishonor. They have attempted to disown us and the sacrifices we made for this country. In their blindness and their fear they have tried to deny that we are veterans or that we served in Nam. We do not need their testimony. Our own scars and stumps of limbs are witness enough for others and for ourselves.

We wish that a merciful God could wipe away our own memories of that service as easily as this administration has wiped away their memories of us. But all that they have done and all that they can do by this denial is to make more clear than ever our own determination to undertake one last mission - to search out and destroy the last vestige of this barbaric war, to pacify our own hearts, to conquer the hate and fear that have driven this country these last ten years and more, so when thirty years from now our brothers go down the street without a leg, without an arm, or a face, and small boys ask why, we will be able to say "Vietnam" and not mean a desert, not a filthy obscene memory, but mean instead the place where America finally turned and where soldiers like us helped it in the turning. ******************************** From "The New Soldier" by John Kerry and Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Collier Books, New York, New York, 1971, pages: 12, 14, 16, 18, 20, 22, 24 This accounting of the "WINTER SOLDIER" speech
is from the DEWEY CANYON III site (linked below).

"We call this investigation the Winter Soldier Investigation. The term Winter Soldier is a play on words of Thomas Paine's in 1776 when he spoke of the
Sunshine Patriots and summertime soldiers
who deserted at Valley Forge because the going was rough."

..... John Kerry



The pictures on this page are from the DEWEY CANYON III site
(linked below).
For more pictures see that site


Excerpts from
How the Vietnam Generation Was Robbed of its Heroes and its History

by B.G. Burkett/Glenna Whitley

page 134

"The VVAW's use of fake witnesses and the failure to cooperate with military authorities and to provide crucial details of the incidents further cast serious doubt on the professed desire to serve the causes of justice and humanity,"Lewy wrote. "It is more likely that this inquiry, like others earlier and later, had primarily political motives and goals." [see footnote #206] (Although it has been thoroughly discredited, the Winter Soldier "investigation" is still being cited today as "proof" of American servicemen's barbarity. Writer Susan Brownmiller referenced it in Newsweek in a 1993 story on gang rape by soldiers. [see footnote #207] )

In April 1971, the VVAW staged a demonstration it called Dewey Canyon III, a "limited incursion into the country of Congress." ....

Dewey Canyon III featured Vietnam veterans marching on Washington in a very dramatic, emotional way. Long-haired, scruffy, dressed in camouflage and the remnants of military garb, and draped in medals, they presented the image of men who had obviously been tested in battle and had seen the horrors of war, ....

page 135

After a man who said his son died in Vietnam blew taps, the soldiers began flinging their war medals over a high wire fence in front of the Capitol: Purple Hearts, Bronze Star Medals, Silver Stars - bits of ribbon and metal hurled in the face of the government that had so betrayed them. Some, after throwing away what had cost them so dearly, broke down and cried.

One of those was John Kerry, Vietnam Navy veteran and aspiring politician who had been among those who organized the protest. Kerry flung a handful of medals - he had received the Silver Star, a Bronze Star Medal, and three Purple Hearts - over the fence. Kerry spoke later that week before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, putting a face on the antiwar movement far different from the one seen before - the scruffy hippie or wild-eyed activist. Kerry represented the All-American boy, mentally twisted by being asked to do terrible things, then abandoned by his government.

From start to finish, the public took Dewey Canyon III at face value, not understanding that they were watching brilliant political theater. Kerry, a Kennedy protege with white-hot political aspirations, ascended center stage as both a war hero and as an antiwar hero throwing away his combat decorations. His speech, apparently off the cuff, was eloquent, impassioned.

But years later, after his election to the Senate, Kerry's medals turned up on the wall of his Capitol Hill office. When a reporter noticed them, Kerry admitted that the medals he had thrown that day were not his. [see footnote #209] And Kerry's emotional, from-the-heart speech had been carefully crafted by a speechwriter for Robert Kennedy named Adam Walinsky, who also tutored him on how to present it. TV reporters totally ignored another Vietnam veteran, Melville L. Stephens, a former aide to Adm. Elmo Zumwalt, chief of Naval Operations, who that same day urged the Senate not to abandon America's allies in South Vietnam.

"Peace for us must not come at the cost of their lives,"

Stephens said in a speech he wrote himself. ...

page 136

How many of the other participants in Dewey Canyon threw away "props"? How many were really Vietnam veterans?




Ibid., p. 317.


Susan Brownmiller, "Making Female Bodies the Battlefield," Newsweek, January 4, 1993, p. 37.


Phil Duncan, editor, "Congressional Quarterly's Politics in America," 102nd Congress, 1992, p. 678.

End of excerpts from



Both Massachusetts Senators JOHN KERRY and TED KENNEDY voted
for the flag-protection amendment SJR 14 !!!

The vote for OLD GLORY - SJR 14

The American Legion Magazine - June 2000
page 48

The Senate voted 63 to 37 for SJR 14, the flag-protection amendment, March 29, 2000. Despite lobbying efforts by the Legion, the resolution fell four votes short of the required two thirds majority.

National Commander Al Lance called the defeat a "wake-up call" for America and said it would inspire Legionnaires to fight harder.

"It is votes like this one that force our neighbors to raise their hands in disgust or shrug their shoulders in indifference," said Lance.



(POW/MIAs & Veteran's Issues)

"Closing the books" on our POW/MIAs
(Free Trade instead of POW/MIAs)

Amendment #4055 - Payment to Vietnamese POW's
who worked Covertly for the US Gov.
(Operation "OPLAN 34A & 35")

These Vietnamese are trying to collect $40,000 ($2,000/yr. x 20 years spent in
North Vietnamese POW camps doing HARD LABOR),
while the US GOV tried to "deny" their existence !!!

an excerpt from Senator John Kerry (as included in Amendment #4055)

From the very beginning, Mr. President, it was clear that this operation was a failure. Recently, declassified Defense Department documents show that the teams were killed or captured very shortly after landing and that the CIA and the Defense Department, which took over the operation in early 1964, knew it at that time.

It is now apparent that the missions were compromised and that Hanoi ran a counterespionage operation against us and our South Vietnamese ally by forcing our commandos to radio back the information that they, Hanoi, wanted us to hear.

The preponderance of the evidence that has come to light in the last year leaves little doubt that the United States Government at that time continued to insert Vietnamese commandos behind enemy lines, knowing full well that it was sending them on near impossible missions with little chance of success.

The Defense Department then compounded this tragedy by writing off the lost commandos as dead, apparently in order to avoid paying their monthly salaries.

An example: A six-man team, called Attila, was dropped into Nghe An province on April 25, 1964. The team was immediately captured. Two months later on July 16, Radio Hanoi announced the names and addresses of the six team members, the dates they were captured, and the start of their trials.

Declassified Defense Department documents indicate that we knew the team had been captured, but, nevertheless, by the beginning of 1965, only months later, the Defense Department had declared the entire team dead and paid small death benefits to their next of kin. The process of declaring the commandos dead on paper was reaffirmed in 1969 by the colonel in charge of the operations for MACSOG, the Military Assistance Command Studies and Observations Group. He said:

[Page: S6440]

We reduced the number of dead gradually by declaring so many of them dead each month until we had written them all off and removed them from the monthly payrolls.

End of Senator Kerry's excerpt

"THE VOTES" - See how Senator Kerry DID NOT SUPPORT Passage of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1997 (which includes Amendment #4055)

Have these "BRAVE" men been payed this small compensation yet?


Who are the VVAW
Here's a brief history of both the VVAW and the VVA past and present.


Follow the links w/in the DEWEY CANYON III site:

To summarize - you will be taken to a

VVAW "friendly" site,
further links w/in that VVAW "friendly" site will lead you to:
(I've linked "some" of them here)

Executive Director of the
National Conference of Viet Nam Veteran Ministers

a quote found on the NCVNVM web site:

"There is one powerful commitment we remember from our days in uniform:

We don't leave our wounded behind."

This seems to me to be quite a contradiction from the VVAW in "their support of" DEWEY CANYON III, the WINTER SOLDIER SPEECH of 1971, and their continued anti war actions during the remaining years of the Conflict(s) in Southeast Asia !!!


VVAW did NOT SUPPORT those TROOPS that were
"still" fighting in Southeast Asia !!!

Apparently JACKSON DAY is also the State Council Chaplain for the

Maryland Vietnam Veterans of America - VVA

It appears that the VVA's "early roots" can, in part, be linked back to the
"anti VIETNAM war" VVAW .

If the VVA have any of the VVAW anti war philosophies and "associations with past anti war SYMPATHIZERS", and it's seems very "confusing" as to whether they do or not, it's "safe" to be a

"PROUD MEMBER" of my Southeast Asian related Posts of the:

American Legion China Post #1 (in Excile)


Udorn Thailand AFTN Memorial VFW Post #10249 !!!

In all fairness to the Vietnam Veterans of America VVA
- here's the link to "their story" of Who they are,
Membership application information, programs and services
they offer to Vietnam and ALL veterans.

Vietnam Veterans of America

Someday, I too, [once I figure this all out] may become a dues paying, active member of this veteran's organization !!!

Until then I'll just "try" to search out the TRUTHS of
both PRESENT and PAST, as I will

NEVER forget HANOI JANE and her ANTI WAR activist
"friends" and "associates" !!!

[See if YOU can figure out just where VVA stands today]
- Read the HISTORY of the <VVAW/VVA from Who are the VVAW

If you can help me figure this out,
Please send EMAIL to:


Finally from links at the DEWEY CANYON III site you will find further links which will lead to "support for"


[a CIC with NO HONOR]

and "his" LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC buddies under the guise of
a group called [MOVE ON] !!!


Another "WINTER SOLDIER" (a bit more descriptive)

Psst - Don't worry, I'm neither a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT nor a RIGHT WING REPUBLICAN

Hell, "I GAVE UP VOTING" - it's another LOSING BATTLE

- The VIETNAM WAR was enough of a LOSING BATTLE
due to many of those ANTI WAR proponents
later turned POLITICIANS - (civil servants - MY ASS - how about "SELF SERVANTS"),

- those "FLAG WAVIING" and now I guess we can say "FLAG BURNING" - POLITICIANS.

- Perhaps B.G. BURKETT can add a special prreface to "STOLEN VALOR"




(Their only concern being - How BIG their WAR CHEST is - "needs to be")

(er Mr. Slick Willy "and Company")


I want NO PART of that foul/losing battle (game) !!!

Saddly to say, I am NOT alone, in fact I believe that I am in the MAJORITY of AMERICANS
eligble TO VOTE, but "choose" NOT to.

You ask WHY - Perhaps when the politicians and the SYSTEM "SERIOUSLY ACT"
on CAMPAIGN FINANCE "REFORM" - instead of the election time "political lip service",
perhaps then I and many other AMERICANS will do our CIVIC DUTY and VOTE for those
fine AMERICIANS that we "can elect", instead of the political prostitutes that we NOW have to
choose from !!!

LADY LIBERTY - where art thou ?

What ever happened to those words and their expressed meaning:

*** A government - OF, BY, and FOR "THE PEOPLE" !!! ***

Perhaps in another LIFETIME ? :-(

Well, I guess, as an AMERICAN, I can exercise my FREE SPEECH,


Protect the Right to FREE SPEECH Online

but you will NOT catch me "burning" Ol GLORY

and calling that my "RIGHT to FREE SPEECH" !!!

I hope these "so called" (both present and future)
American National "LEADERS" (many of the anti "VIETNAM" War movement)
REMEMBER "their own words" in dealing with, perhaps "another present day VIETNAM"
in the not so far away JUNGLES -

The jungles and mountains of COLUMBIA !!!
(a WAR on DRUGS or a CIVIL WAR - a THREAT to FREEDOM for whom ?)

from JOHN KERRY's "WINTER SOLDIER" speech (see above) [taken out of context]:

No ground troops are in Laos,
so it is all right to kill Laotians by remote control.
But believe me the helicopter crews fill the same body bags
and they wreak the same kind of damage
on the ....

"In our opinion and from our experience, there is nothing in South Vietnam
which could happen that realistically threatens the United States of America
And to attempt to justify the loss of one American life
in Vietnam, Cambodia or Laos by linking such loss
to the preservation of freedom
, which those misfits supposedly abuse,
is to us the height of criminal hypocrisy." ....

end of excerpt(s)

Excuse me, but Mr. KERRY,

Now, doesn't this "sound a bit too familar" to what "may be" to come !!!

[But what else can we expect from a group of KENNEDY protege(s)]

[Yes, the same KENNEDY administration that GOT US INVOLVED in VIETNAM and
now wants to be EXONERATED - at the cost of 58,000+ fine young AMERICANS ?]

What will this administration that "you" support, call "it's" GULF of TONKIN incident,


[A good excuse for WAR to an UNSUSPECTING and TRUSTING AMERICAN public.]

What would/will the "next" PENTAGON PAPERS - reveal or hide ?

Which AMERICANS stand to WIN this potential WAR and which AMERICANS stand to LOSE

[Will Canada once again, be there with open arms to the SAME GROUPS
of "so called" AMERICANS as they once did during "Our Generation's WAR ?]

What does "your" ANTI VIETNAM WAR "associate"

HANOI the BITCH Jane Fonda

have to say about these upcoming events - ah, never mind -

[To HELL with the TRAITOR BITCH !!!]

Now I ask you:

Mr. President, Mr. Kerry, "and company",

Who's son or daughter, sister or brother, husband or wife, niece or nephew, friend or neighbor
will be (as John Kerry once phrased it, and I quote, John Kerry, in part):


Well, John Kerry - as you put it over a quarter of a century ago, and I quote you:

"That is what we are trying to say. We are also here to ask, and we are here to ask vehemently,

where are the leaders of our country? Where is the leadership?"

Mr. Kerry,

WHERE IS the LEADERSHIP, - TODAY, where will it be TOMMORROW ?

YES, Mr. Clinton, Mr. Gore, Mr. Bush, Mr. Kerry (and your kind),

[Yes, you too Mr. "GRIM REAPER" McNamara - a "LESSON" for YOU]

and yes, for ALL of your ARROGANCES.

Do NOT commit young Americans to fight a WAR with NO OBJECTIVE,
with NO overwhelming, unwavering SUPPORT from



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